Hi anon! We reformed the rule set! Check it out here
https://mlpol.net/policy
>What was wrong with the old set?
So very, very many things
To start off, it was not made on mlpol.net. It was made on April 2, 2017, on the merged board of 4chan. It was never made for this website, nor any independent site, and it has no reflection to our situation. The vast majority of people who participated in that thread on 4chan are not here now, and do not use mlpol.net. Several of the rules in the old set were added by staff over the years and were never voted on.
Second, it has no bearing at all to rules as enforced and probably never has. The number one violation for which we issue bans is and long has been spam. Those little cyrilic bot posts with the ultra-low-resolution images. Tell me where in the old rule set it says "do not spam?" Pro-tip: it doesn't. A majority of all of our moderation enforcement has been against something that isn't even listed as against the rules. There is also no rule in it against off-board raiding - even though that is clearly the spirit of several of the rules - and off board raids have long been one of the dominant reasons for bans.
It worked the other way as well. The rule against "generals" was discarded in practical enforcement in the first year when we decided to allow Syria General to post on /mlpol/. Not long after this, anonfilly was invited after being kicked off of /mlp/. There's also that unstated rule 1 and rule 2. "Don't talk about /mlpol/." We realized within a month of April 2 that not advertising the board - which now was off of 4chan and was it's own website - was a bad idea.
The rule set had absolutely no rule against insufferable and obnoxious posters, and that was a rather big issue.
And you can't tell me it wasn't ungainly and long. It was two typed pages. That isn't useful.
The rule set was prone to misinterpretation, or at least, to give the wrong impression to newcomers. I met with a friend who didn't know I had anything to do with mlpol, and asked him what he thought about the altchans. He told me that mlpol.net and /poner/ was hampered by its banning of generals. A rule we have enfored... once? Ever? Back in the summer of 2017?
And yes, the rules lawyering around the "striped" thread was a factor. Rather than arguing actually relevant issues like whether or not the zebras having sex with twilight were a part of fetish, or posted with a deliberate intent to disrupt the board, instead time and energy is wasted arguing with people who in some cases had never used the board before that day over what degree the my little pony porn resembled some kind of thread that was spammed on the /pol/ board many years ago. That's not helpful.
>Why now? Why not after a long, lengthy process?
It should have been overhauled years ago. I have wanted to overhaul the rules for years. The primary reason we have not is because we didn't have an idea for how to codify a moderator response to what we considered to be edge cases - posters who seemed to be acting in good faith, but who were so horrifically and consistently obnoxious it ruined the experience for everyone around them. It wasn't until this year that I figured out the blanket term "disruptive" captures the essence of these edge cases, but also posting types we ban anyways, like off-board raiders and spam.
>But why now specifically?
Because now is the time that reforms that have been long put off are most needed.
>Why these rules?
I wanted the rules to do three things. One, to reflect actual enforcement and the needs of moderation. Two, to be rather limited, allow most posts to be permitted, and maximum freedom to posters. And three, be short and easy to understand. What we came up with, I think, does capture most circumstances where moderation action is needed, and does so in a succinct and easy to understand manner. Some of the rules could easily be split up into smaller rules, but still, it is a short list of rules.
>Why does the policy page say that the rule set is "under construction"?
Because that part of the policy page is probably going to be modified to include a description of the boards and any rules that might be specific to the board
>But shouldn't the community discuss the rules?
Well, this is the thread. Discuss it now. As stated, the rules were written to reflect actual enforcement. These are things that we have already discussed endlessly, including last year when there was a proposal to add a "lurk more" rule. And besides, if you haven't noticed, who the "community" even is right now is in a state of flux. The newcomers need a very simple set of rules that they can read, understand, and not misinterpret, and they need it now.
>Does this mean that /poner/ is not getting rules on porn?
Not necessarily. We've decided that we will give that a little more time to decide what to do. It's very unlikely that we are going to make /poner/ a completely blue board, but it's far from out of the question that we will add rules like no NSFW in the OP, no porn dumping, or require spoilers. If this is added, it will not be listed on the global rule set. It will be under the board specific rule set, which as of now has not been added.
>You're a faggot
no u
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Add info about what the server host and law forbids. It can be general, but we need to understand what can be reported and what should not be. Someone posted bestiality in a thread only last week. Then there is gore and other topics. >>9419
"Usually you can just use your common sense, because things that are illegal to post are usually fairly obvious."
On a red board, where people are all some combination of weird, horny and edgy, common sense is not enough.
You need a balance between specific and generalized rules. Going too far in either direction confuses and spooks users. The old rules were obsolete, but the new ones are too general. Also, what are the punishments that can be expected for different rule breaches? Sometimes perma-bans are needed, other times temporary IP bans are a better call. There have been times where jannies didn't ban or censor anyone but humiliated the guilty party to make a point. We don't need a thicc tome of law, but a general idea would be good.
Board-specific rules are good too. I don't think striped threads should be banned outright, but maybe limited to /poner/ and banned off /mlpol/, or maybe allowed only on /sp/. Possibly allow dedicated threads on any board and ban it outside those threads, but I don't like that solution. Also, this is just a specific example; there are many different fetishes and other interests that are broadly unpopular yet are part of /mlp/.
>>9400
That shield used to work but I don't see it as important now. This is an independent site and bad-faith actors are easily singled out. Sometimes I like to read this imageboard in public and I'd rather not be caught in 4k having hoers pussy on my screen. Usually though if I'm at an airport I have a specific thread up that won't usually be NFSW.
.t been here since 2017
>>9453
Let's ban anything that is not either in the MLP franchise or a "fan" race (that is, broadly accepted by /mlp/, not just by some random person). It allows a good variety but keeps out actual furries.
[Read more] "Usually you can just use your common sense, because things that are illegal to post are usually fairly obvious."
On a red board, where people are all some combination of weird, horny and edgy, common sense is not enough.
You need a balance between specific and generalized rules. Going too far in either direction confuses and spooks users. The old rules were obsolete, but the new ones are too general. Also, what are the punishments that can be expected for different rule breaches? Sometimes perma-bans are needed, other times temporary IP bans are a better call. There have been times where jannies didn't ban or censor anyone but humiliated the guilty party to make a point. We don't need a thicc tome of law, but a general idea would be good.
Board-specific rules are good too. I don't think striped threads should be banned outright, but maybe limited to /poner/ and banned off /mlpol/, or maybe allowed only on /sp/. Possibly allow dedicated threads on any board and ban it outside those threads, but I don't like that solution. Also, this is just a specific example; there are many different fetishes and other interests that are broadly unpopular yet are part of /mlp/.
>>9400
That shield used to work but I don't see it as important now. This is an independent site and bad-faith actors are easily singled out. Sometimes I like to read this imageboard in public and I'd rather not be caught in 4k having hoers pussy on my screen. Usually though if I'm at an airport I have a specific thread up that won't usually be NFSW.
.t been here since 2017
>>9453
Let's ban anything that is not either in the MLP franchise or a "fan" race (that is, broadly accepted by /mlp/, not just by some random person). It allows a good variety but keeps out actual furries.
>>9457
>Also, what are the punishments that can be expected for different rule breaches?
4chan never specified duration and wideness (board/site) of bans. I dunno why it should be different now.
>Also, what are the punishments that can be expected for different rule breaches?
4chan never specified duration and wideness (board/site) of bans. I dunno why it should be different now.
>>9449
>The counterpoint to that is that if someone comes in with actual malicious intent to disrupt arguments - basically, posting shit which steers clear of the line of being off-topic or clearly inflammatory, but is geared towards being relatively low-effort to come up with and in turn requires more effort to respond to and can thus steer the discussion and force users trying to have a genuine argument to waste a ton of time and effort - they don't even have to be "paid shills" or anything, just retards trying to stir shit up. Anyway only allowing "intelligent" argumentation gives those types of bait the power to continue unchecked because nobody is allowed to call them a retard shill anymore.
I think we should just use reason and evidence to get them to fuck off. Most of what shills want to push like black pill and race mixing can be shut down pretty easy with statistics from mainstream and government sources. This a politics discussion forum and we people should be able to defend their positions. Besides the purpose of debate is never to persuade the opponent, but the audience and this site just got a larger audience
>The counterpoint to that is that if someone comes in with actual malicious intent to disrupt arguments - basically, posting shit which steers clear of the line of being off-topic or clearly inflammatory, but is geared towards being relatively low-effort to come up with and in turn requires more effort to respond to and can thus steer the discussion and force users trying to have a genuine argument to waste a ton of time and effort - they don't even have to be "paid shills" or anything, just retards trying to stir shit up. Anyway only allowing "intelligent" argumentation gives those types of bait the power to continue unchecked because nobody is allowed to call them a retard shill anymore.
I think we should just use reason and evidence to get them to fuck off. Most of what shills want to push like black pill and race mixing can be shut down pretty easy with statistics from mainstream and government sources. This a politics discussion forum and we people should be able to defend their positions. Besides the purpose of debate is never to persuade the opponent, but the audience and this site just got a larger audience
>>9457
Banning all non MLP IP means
>No TFH
>No wildmanes
>No mermico
>No filly funtasia
>No Ico, last unicorn
>No Spirit
>/opg/ is a gray area, it's ponies but not the IP
Over reaction of moderation is what the trolls can be aiming for, creating more balkanization. All of the things listed above had fans in /mlp/
Banning all non MLP IP means
>No TFH
>No wildmanes
>No mermico
>No filly funtasia
>No Ico, last unicorn
>No Spirit
>/opg/ is a gray area, it's ponies but not the IP
Over reaction of moderation is what the trolls can be aiming for, creating more balkanization. All of the things listed above had fans in /mlp/
>>9464
Those are all accepted by /mlp/ (the community, not the board jannies). That's why I gave those criteria.
Those are all accepted by /mlp/ (the community, not the board jannies). That's why I gave those criteria.
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>>9457
And to see lotus' point just go look at 8kun. There is a thread suggesting that the schizophrenia voices are real and people calling bullshit are being called shills. There accusation is obviously used by bad actors.
And to see lotus' point just go look at 8kun. There is a thread suggesting that the schizophrenia voices are real and people calling bullshit are being called shills. There accusation is obviously used by bad actors.
Why do I have a feeling Atlas is going to start fucking with me now?
>fallenPineapple: Genius code merchant and former /mlp/, was instrumental to make all the beauty happen when it all began
Hey it's been updated.
>fallenPineapple: Genius code merchant and former /mlp/, was instrumental to make all the beauty happen when it all began
Hey it's been updated.
>>9463
Go re-read the "gradually I began to hate them" passage.
Arguing something in bad faith with mediocre arguments is always easier than trying to genuinely win a debate. And it's usually relatively easy to formulate your posts just well enough that it doesn't come off as complete shitposting, but putting in near zero intellectual effort, and ignoring the majority of valid points your opponent produces. Cracking down on that is nearly impossible unless you want to actually make the jannies into debate moderators or something.
And even if eventually you put in so much effort that the shitposter's position becomes inarguably untenable and he has no more way around it and is forced to admit defeat lest he out himself as openly contrariant - well, the next day he can just come right back and start all over again. Or even the same day, but with a different topic.
Debates are good when both parties are debating in good faith, but it's pretty much always trivial to abuse a genuine debate if your only goal is to waste the other party's time.
[Read more] Go re-read the "gradually I began to hate them" passage.
Arguing something in bad faith with mediocre arguments is always easier than trying to genuinely win a debate. And it's usually relatively easy to formulate your posts just well enough that it doesn't come off as complete shitposting, but putting in near zero intellectual effort, and ignoring the majority of valid points your opponent produces. Cracking down on that is nearly impossible unless you want to actually make the jannies into debate moderators or something.
And even if eventually you put in so much effort that the shitposter's position becomes inarguably untenable and he has no more way around it and is forced to admit defeat lest he out himself as openly contrariant - well, the next day he can just come right back and start all over again. Or even the same day, but with a different topic.
Debates are good when both parties are debating in good faith, but it's pretty much always trivial to abuse a genuine debate if your only goal is to waste the other party's time.
>>9468
the extent of my fucking with you will always be simple reply harassment, we at mlpol do not condone or tolerate mod abuse, if I did anything to even edit your post I would be struck down by the others
thank you for helping us improve mlpol
dick
the extent of my fucking with you will always be simple reply harassment, we at mlpol do not condone or tolerate mod abuse, if I did anything to even edit your post I would be struck down by the others
thank you for helping us improve mlpol
dick
>>9467
Might be an unsolved problem on /mlpol/ and /vx/, but on other boards that shit can be quickly cleaned up as offtopic/derail.
Might be an unsolved problem on /mlpol/ and /vx/, but on other boards that shit can be quickly cleaned up as offtopic/derail.
>>9465
Well that's debatable, there are people who want none of it and just MLP and each of those had raging about it as their fans became more established. See tamers and wild manes threads for this kind of example, the same people that either rage about g5 and eqg, or have some sort of brain worm that gives things a free pass and other things must be destroyed.
Spirit is the only outlier, as it had no real fans on /mlp/ I can remember and under the umbrella of furry/zoo more than the rest like lion king furries.
Well that's debatable, there are people who want none of it and just MLP and each of those had raging about it as their fans became more established. See tamers and wild manes threads for this kind of example, the same people that either rage about g5 and eqg, or have some sort of brain worm that gives things a free pass and other things must be destroyed.
Spirit is the only outlier, as it had no real fans on /mlp/ I can remember and under the umbrella of furry/zoo more than the rest like lion king furries.
>>9437
>the policy page was changed to reflect what we’ve been doing for many years at this point
*sensible clearing of throat*
>>9442
*another sensible clearing of throat*
>>9444
>1 Ponies.
>2 Post in good faith, and do not be massively disruptive of the experience of others.
>3 Do not spam, please check the catalogue before posting a new thread, and have some respect for board topicality and posting quality.
>4 Do not post anything that will either get us in trouble in trouble with our server host, or an FBI warrant.
>5 All users must be over the age of 18 to use this site.
>* possible changes, such as the addition of board specific rules, to come in the near future.
>Rule 2 and 3 covers the transition from four chungus pretty well.
>Rule 1 also implicitly covers politics.
>Rule 5 always existed and that's just fine.
Can we make these global ruiles for the internet like 4chan? What? 4chan isn't around to object. Too soon?
[Read more] >the policy page was changed to reflect what we’ve been doing for many years at this point
*sensible clearing of throat*
>>9442
*another sensible clearing of throat*
>>9444
>1 Ponies.
>2 Post in good faith, and do not be massively disruptive of the experience of others.
>3 Do not spam, please check the catalogue before posting a new thread, and have some respect for board topicality and posting quality.
>4 Do not post anything that will either get us in trouble in trouble with our server host, or an FBI warrant.
>5 All users must be over the age of 18 to use this site.
>* possible changes, such as the addition of board specific rules, to come in the near future.
>Rule 2 and 3 covers the transition from four chungus pretty well.
>Rule 1 also implicitly covers politics.
>Rule 5 always existed and that's just fine.
Can we make these global ruiles for the internet like 4chan? What? 4chan isn't around to object. Too soon?
>>9473
Tamers, Wild Manes, G5, EQG, and Spirit are all peripheral but fans of those are not the furries we want to exclude.
Tamers, Wild Manes, G5, EQG, and Spirit are all peripheral but fans of those are not the furries we want to exclude.
>>9469
>Debates are good when both parties are debating in good faith, but it's pretty much always trivial to abuse a genuine debate if your only goal is to waste the other party's time.
And how do you determine whether someone is "just trying to waste time" or simply disagrees?
>Debates are good when both parties are debating in good faith, but it's pretty much always trivial to abuse a genuine debate if your only goal is to waste the other party's time.
And how do you determine whether someone is "just trying to waste time" or simply disagrees?
>>9471
Welcome mate. If I spot any more typos I'll let you know. I'm not contributing to the discussion of the rules and policies because as far as I see it, it's not my realm. I am a guest here, (though I will probably be staying even if 4chan does return) and thus don't have a hat to throw in this ring. I can make suggestions, certainly, but without a fundamental understanding of the establish culture they would be without merit.
Zebras are cute, but if people don't like them use the filter. Simple as.
Welcome mate. If I spot any more typos I'll let you know. I'm not contributing to the discussion of the rules and policies because as far as I see it, it's not my realm. I am a guest here, (though I will probably be staying even if 4chan does return) and thus don't have a hat to throw in this ring. I can make suggestions, certainly, but without a fundamental understanding of the establish culture they would be without merit.
Zebras are cute, but if people don't like them use the filter. Simple as.
>>9465
To be fair you said "fan races", which I assumed to mean shit like bat ponies (arguably), moth ponies, plones, etc.
Those are just different franchises.
>>9473
There's a balance to be struct between rules lawyering and keeping things pony. I think if you're gonna restrict things that were allowed on /mlp/, you should just go on nhnb, it's literally what it's for. But outright furshit stuff is much more iffy and frankly unncessary.
On the other hoof it can also probably be banned under "disruption" or "offtopic" if it's clearly bait. So anyone going "unffff I love dogfucking, dog pussy so much hotter than horsepussy" doesn't need a dedicated rule if we wanna get rid of him.
IMHO, the question then becomes whether casual posting of furshit if it comes up in genuine conversation should be restricted. Like say a thread is discussing a former fandom artist and someone mentions they moved to furshit and posts an example art saying "look at the garbage they're shitting out now lmao". Should that be deleted or allowed?
Personally, as much as I don't want to look at furshit, I think the spirit of allowing as many posts as possible says that such a post should not in fact be banned. The main argument for banning it would be "I don't want to see that!" but so far this argument has not been considered good enough to ban things like anthro and eqg for example.
tl;dr: I think "lol ponies are just furries" or "come fap to furshit porn it's so good" and similar things can be covered well enough with the no-disruption/no-bait rule(s), and I don't think a dedicated rule specifically disallowing any appearance of furshit is necessary.
[Read more] To be fair you said "fan races", which I assumed to mean shit like bat ponies (arguably), moth ponies, plones, etc.
Those are just different franchises.
>>9473
There's a balance to be struct between rules lawyering and keeping things pony. I think if you're gonna restrict things that were allowed on /mlp/, you should just go on nhnb, it's literally what it's for. But outright furshit stuff is much more iffy and frankly unncessary.
On the other hoof it can also probably be banned under "disruption" or "offtopic" if it's clearly bait. So anyone going "unffff I love dogfucking, dog pussy so much hotter than horsepussy" doesn't need a dedicated rule if we wanna get rid of him.
IMHO, the question then becomes whether casual posting of furshit if it comes up in genuine conversation should be restricted. Like say a thread is discussing a former fandom artist and someone mentions they moved to furshit and posts an example art saying "look at the garbage they're shitting out now lmao". Should that be deleted or allowed?
Personally, as much as I don't want to look at furshit, I think the spirit of allowing as many posts as possible says that such a post should not in fact be banned. The main argument for banning it would be "I don't want to see that!" but so far this argument has not been considered good enough to ban things like anthro and eqg for example.
tl;dr: I think "lol ponies are just furries" or "come fap to furshit porn it's so good" and similar things can be covered well enough with the no-disruption/no-bait rule(s), and I don't think a dedicated rule specifically disallowing any appearance of furshit is necessary.
>>9477
>>9469
people arguing in bad faith is always a hard thing to moderate for, generally we try not to interfere with discussions at all provided it's not one person spamming "HA HA YOU'RE A FAGGOT" 50 times or something, a very slippery slope towards only allowing a single line of thought on a website, even particularly retarded opinions bydisgusting fucking commie scum people I don't like are allowed
>>9469
people arguing in bad faith is always a hard thing to moderate for, generally we try not to interfere with discussions at all provided it's not one person spamming "HA HA YOU'RE A FAGGOT" 50 times or something, a very slippery slope towards only allowing a single line of thought on a website, even particularly retarded opinions by
>>9477
You don't, that's my point. Users must sort this out among themselves, and hence me playing double's advocate in that calling someone a shill or nigger baiter can be justified to easily dismiss an argument if you feel like it's going nowhere and the other person is just wasting your time in bad faith.
At the same time I don't necessarily believe that this usecase alone is enough to justify allowing such ad-hominems globally because they're equally easy to abuse even when unnecessary, and render all attempts at genuine discussion or argument useless by just spamming "shill" accusation at any genuine post.
And hence my point earlier that in an ideal world, when people feel like an argument is just being made in bad faith they'd simply ignore it rather than feeling the need to reply to it.
>>9479
You don't, that's my point. Users must sort this out among themselves, and hence me playing double's advocate in that calling someone a shill or nigger baiter can be justified to easily dismiss an argument if you feel like it's going nowhere and the other person is just wasting your time in bad faith.
At the same time I don't necessarily believe that this usecase alone is enough to justify allowing such ad-hominems globally because they're equally easy to abuse even when unnecessary, and render all attempts at genuine discussion or argument useless by just spamming "shill" accusation at any genuine post.
And hence my point earlier that in an ideal world, when people feel like an argument is just being made in bad faith they'd simply ignore it rather than feeling the need to reply to it.
>>9479
>>9476
Not all content GR15'd ends up with any fans, like that ugly 3d unicorn movie.
The issue is that you're using a grandfather like clause that only things already that have previous fans of can be allowed.
TFH was swapped from ponies to non ponies and there was a lot of seething about it, even though over the years there was real TFH fans it didn't come with welcome opened arms despite Faust making the designs
Snowponies popped up with momentum, despite the rage about how chestfluff was seen as too furry and yet they have a shit ton of whats bitched about being in the 'furry' race category. It could have been rejected if it wasn't started from a drawthread requested.
Wildmanes also dropped on /mlp/ out of nowhere, but wasn't part of the IP and nobody on the board made it. So that means if another peripheral show/game/movie/whatever comes out then it would be banned before it has any traction. Mermico being the newest one
[Read more] Not all content GR15'd ends up with any fans, like that ugly 3d unicorn movie.
The issue is that you're using a grandfather like clause that only things already that have previous fans of can be allowed.
TFH was swapped from ponies to non ponies and there was a lot of seething about it, even though over the years there was real TFH fans it didn't come with welcome opened arms despite Faust making the designs
Snowponies popped up with momentum, despite the rage about how chestfluff was seen as too furry and yet they have a shit ton of whats bitched about being in the 'furry' race category. It could have been rejected if it wasn't started from a drawthread requested.
Wildmanes also dropped on /mlp/ out of nowhere, but wasn't part of the IP and nobody on the board made it. So that means if another peripheral show/game/movie/whatever comes out then it would be banned before it has any traction. Mermico being the newest one
>>9485
We AREN'T discussing TFH in a ruleset change thread, the silly line is here, and you want to cross it, so no
We AREN'T discussing TFH in a ruleset change thread, the silly line is here, and you want to cross it, so no
>>9482
>>9480
this actually ties back to the reasoning for allowingfilthy commie bastards people with different political opinions, we don't want to say WHAT ponies are allowed, ponies are allowed, period. it's not about the porn it's about the ponies, therefore pone puss is demanded encouraged. plus it keeps the cia niggers away. but that doesn't make this a bestiality furry shit website.
>>9480
this actually ties back to the reasoning for allowing
>>9487
Because it's you, I'll allow you to lecture. I know the rules. That cutting board hasn't given up on you, has it?
Because it's you, I'll allow you to lecture. I know the rules. That cutting board hasn't given up on you, has it?
>>9490
Yes duh, but TFH isn't relevant to this discussion
>tfw you try and eliminate irrelevant topics and anons fixate on them
Yes duh, but TFH isn't relevant to this discussion
>tfw you try and eliminate irrelevant topics and anons fixate on them
>>9487
Yes but what is a pony? It's clearly more than just MLP:FiM, else we'd be NHNB. We've already got EqG, and there's been no word that e.g. Ico or The Last Unicorn would be banned. Is Spirit a pony? Anthro is allowed on /poner/ currently, so can I go to furaffinity and find equine furfags and say that they're (anthro) ponies? Probably not, but can I post an equine anthro if it's relevant to the discussion? For example, imagine if hypothetically, in case a thread was on /mlp/ I'd post it as a catbox link, does that mean I can post it in clear here? Assuming it's not bait or done in bad faith.
And it's not just about equines either. Are plones ponies? Are griffons ponies? Is posting Harry the Bear ponies? What about bear porn? There's a meme called Flutterzoo Friday, and Fluttershy is a pony so Fluttershy fucking a bear is probably fine, but what if you remove Fluttershy from the equation and it's just Harry or Winona porn? (I assume someone has made that at some point.) Or what about diamond dogs, or dragons, etc.
There has to be SOME line, and just "ponies" is not good enough as a line.
The thing is the answers to most of my questions are relatively obvious to anyone who isn't trying to intentionally bait and/or isn't a complete normalgroid newfag furry that just wandered in. So in 99% of cases, I do believe that the rules against baiting/disruption would be good enough to remove offending posts.
But I'm still not clear on what if the discussion genuinely allows for some "bestiality furry shit" to be posted, not as bait, not as an attempt to disrupt, but as an actually on-topic post in good faith - whether it'd be allowed due to not being explicitly banned (after all, anthro is allowed too for some reason!), or whether it should be banned and deleted because it's still furry shit.
[Read more] Yes but what is a pony? It's clearly more than just MLP:FiM, else we'd be NHNB. We've already got EqG, and there's been no word that e.g. Ico or The Last Unicorn would be banned. Is Spirit a pony? Anthro is allowed on /poner/ currently, so can I go to furaffinity and find equine furfags and say that they're (anthro) ponies? Probably not, but can I post an equine anthro if it's relevant to the discussion? For example, imagine if hypothetically, in case a thread was on /mlp/ I'd post it as a catbox link, does that mean I can post it in clear here? Assuming it's not bait or done in bad faith.
And it's not just about equines either. Are plones ponies? Are griffons ponies? Is posting Harry the Bear ponies? What about bear porn? There's a meme called Flutterzoo Friday, and Fluttershy is a pony so Fluttershy fucking a bear is probably fine, but what if you remove Fluttershy from the equation and it's just Harry or Winona porn? (I assume someone has made that at some point.) Or what about diamond dogs, or dragons, etc.
There has to be SOME line, and just "ponies" is not good enough as a line.
The thing is the answers to most of my questions are relatively obvious to anyone who isn't trying to intentionally bait and/or isn't a complete normalgroid newfag furry that just wandered in. So in 99% of cases, I do believe that the rules against baiting/disruption would be good enough to remove offending posts.
But I'm still not clear on what if the discussion genuinely allows for some "bestiality furry shit" to be posted, not as bait, not as an attempt to disrupt, but as an actually on-topic post in good faith - whether it'd be allowed due to not being explicitly banned (after all, anthro is allowed too for some reason!), or whether it should be banned and deleted because it's still furry shit.
>>9492
The reason TFH was brought up was >>9457
>Let's ban anything that is not either in the MLP franchise or a "fan" race (that is, broadly accepted by /mlp/, not just by some random person). It allows a good variety but keeps out actual furries.
In the earlier days TFH wasn't broadly accepted by /mlp/ and told to fuck off to /v/, but wasn't allowed to post on /v/ leading to back and forth clashing until people stopped. TFH was raged against as furries, since it brought non MLP + non pony + non horsepussy
I am not advocating for the furfaggot posting the ai loona, it's not even remotely in the same category. I'm saying that it's counter-intuitive to only create a whitelist of content allowed, which if it was already a thing then all of >>9464
would have never had a piece of pie in the fandom.
The reason TFH was brought up was >>9457
>Let's ban anything that is not either in the MLP franchise or a "fan" race (that is, broadly accepted by /mlp/, not just by some random person). It allows a good variety but keeps out actual furries.
In the earlier days TFH wasn't broadly accepted by /mlp/ and told to fuck off to /v/, but wasn't allowed to post on /v/ leading to back and forth clashing until people stopped. TFH was raged against as furries, since it brought non MLP + non pony + non horsepussy
I am not advocating for the furfaggot posting the ai loona, it's not even remotely in the same category. I'm saying that it's counter-intuitive to only create a whitelist of content allowed, which if it was already a thing then all of >>9464
would have never had a piece of pie in the fandom.
>>9494
*sighs*
Let's put a pin in this right now.
If you want to argue the line as to whether anthropomorphic horses count as anthropomorphic animals, we can DEFINITELY have that argument. Trust me you no wanna.
*sighs*
Let's put a pin in this right now.
If you want to argue the line as to whether anthropomorphic horses count as anthropomorphic animals, we can DEFINITELY have that argument. Trust me you no wanna.
>>9497
>whether anthropomorphic horses count as anthropomorphic animals
That sounds unrelated because what is an anthropomorphic animals seems irrelevant to me.
In any case, again, my question is not about "what is REALLY pony-related?" because the userbase and admins here are good enough to draw the line properly without endless bikeshedding to produce a legal document. My question is, "for things which aren't in fact pony related, but are really rather furshit or other similarly distasteful stuff, is there or should there be a blanket ban on those or not?".
>whether anthropomorphic horses count as anthropomorphic animals
That sounds unrelated because what is an anthropomorphic animals seems irrelevant to me.
In any case, again, my question is not about "what is REALLY pony-related?" because the userbase and admins here are good enough to draw the line properly without endless bikeshedding to produce a legal document. My question is, "for things which aren't in fact pony related, but are really rather furshit or other similarly distasteful stuff, is there or should there be a blanket ban on those or not?".
>>9449
We really could just boil the entire set if rules down to just “don’t disrupt the board and it’s threads, and don’t get our board taken down.” The detail is only there for clarification.
>>9453
When moderating, we look to context, intent, and the actual reception of the posts. We don’t look just look at a post and go “oh it’s that thing, let’s delete it” unless it’s CP, Cyrillic spam, or a soyjack thread. People who are actually trying to engage with the board and the threads get the benefit of a doubt.
I don’t think I’d want to make it that every instance of furry porn is necessarily a cause for intervention by moderation. There actually is a valid reason for this post, specifically that it’s a point of comparison for types of porn and drawing of anatomy. It’s topical to the subject of the thread. And the posters are responding pretty well by telling the poster that hazbin hotel AI porn is disgusting. Moderation doesn’t need to do anything. If there were a slew of posts, or if it were posted in a thread where it was not relevant to the point of discussion, then perhaps it would be removed. But for the specific context of that post, removing it would force one of those awkward situations where someone would have to link to a separate website or board to talk about it in the on-topic conversation, and that’s just awkward and something we could avoid.
>People are going unf to it
If you’re posting on /mlp/ or /mlpol/, there’s about an 80% chance you’re a sexual deviant if some kind. Get enough people and we’ll have every form of degeneracy under the sun represented. I don’t see why anyone would be surprised.
When the board rules for /poner/ come, it will probably include a rule restricting furry or general non-mlp porn, and probably a “spoil your fetishes” rule.
>>9464
We’re taking kind of a broad approach to horse-related media. A lot of people here like horse related media, and discussion for those things doesn’t really have anywhere else to go. And if people don’t care to discuss those things, well, that’s fine, too.
[Read more] We really could just boil the entire set if rules down to just “don’t disrupt the board and it’s threads, and don’t get our board taken down.” The detail is only there for clarification.
>>9453
When moderating, we look to context, intent, and the actual reception of the posts. We don’t look just look at a post and go “oh it’s that thing, let’s delete it” unless it’s CP, Cyrillic spam, or a soyjack thread. People who are actually trying to engage with the board and the threads get the benefit of a doubt.
I don’t think I’d want to make it that every instance of furry porn is necessarily a cause for intervention by moderation. There actually is a valid reason for this post, specifically that it’s a point of comparison for types of porn and drawing of anatomy. It’s topical to the subject of the thread. And the posters are responding pretty well by telling the poster that hazbin hotel AI porn is disgusting. Moderation doesn’t need to do anything. If there were a slew of posts, or if it were posted in a thread where it was not relevant to the point of discussion, then perhaps it would be removed. But for the specific context of that post, removing it would force one of those awkward situations where someone would have to link to a separate website or board to talk about it in the on-topic conversation, and that’s just awkward and something we could avoid.
>People are going unf to it
If you’re posting on /mlp/ or /mlpol/, there’s about an 80% chance you’re a sexual deviant if some kind. Get enough people and we’ll have every form of degeneracy under the sun represented. I don’t see why anyone would be surprised.
When the board rules for /poner/ come, it will probably include a rule restricting furry or general non-mlp porn, and probably a “spoil your fetishes” rule.
>>9464
We’re taking kind of a broad approach to horse-related media. A lot of people here like horse related media, and discussion for those things doesn’t really have anywhere else to go. And if people don’t care to discuss those things, well, that’s fine, too.
>>9500
Reasonable.
I would argue that that post is specifically not made for comparison, it was made explicitly as bait. The dogfucker anon did not post it going "hm and here are some dog genitals for reference as my informed contribution to this intellectual discussion about cartoon genital shapes", he posted it going "unf unf feral furry pussy feels so good bros". That's bait.
I see your stance is that people are telling him it's disgusting and that he's not spamming it, so it's not disruptive. I personally think it is disruptive, because now instead of discussing horsepussy shapes, the thread had to take a detour to tell the furfag to fuck off in no uncertain words, which is not related to the topic at hoof. Again, if it had been a genuine attempt at a new avenue of discussion it would have been one thing, and people might've for example also been more inclined to ignore it, or if not, answer it at least somewhat constructively (even if the essense would've still been "that's disgusting"). But with it phrased the way it was it was clearly fishing for angry replies and got them exactly as desired, and the result did not contribute to the actual discussion in any meaningful way.
In particular
>for the specific context of that post, removing it would force one of those awkward situations where someone would have to link to a separate website or board to talk about it in the on-topic conversation
I believe this is objectively false because it doesn't look like anyone actually wants to talk about that. It's the baiter anon forcing everyone to look at it so he can laugh at the angry (You)s he's getting. And removing it would not force it to be linked off-board, rather removing it would just allow the thread to get back to talking about horse pussy.
Again it would've been different if it hadn't been clearly phrased as bait, but it was.
That being said, I do find your stance of "if it doesn't cause too much disruption moderation shouldn't take action" at least understandable and also not unreasonable. We just have different thresholds of what is "too much" disruption but if this is what you guys are going for, I'll live with it, and thanks for clarifying.
[Read more] Reasonable.
I would argue that that post is specifically not made for comparison, it was made explicitly as bait. The dogfucker anon did not post it going "hm and here are some dog genitals for reference as my informed contribution to this intellectual discussion about cartoon genital shapes", he posted it going "unf unf feral furry pussy feels so good bros". That's bait.
I see your stance is that people are telling him it's disgusting and that he's not spamming it, so it's not disruptive. I personally think it is disruptive, because now instead of discussing horsepussy shapes, the thread had to take a detour to tell the furfag to fuck off in no uncertain words, which is not related to the topic at hoof. Again, if it had been a genuine attempt at a new avenue of discussion it would have been one thing, and people might've for example also been more inclined to ignore it, or if not, answer it at least somewhat constructively (even if the essense would've still been "that's disgusting"). But with it phrased the way it was it was clearly fishing for angry replies and got them exactly as desired, and the result did not contribute to the actual discussion in any meaningful way.
In particular
>for the specific context of that post, removing it would force one of those awkward situations where someone would have to link to a separate website or board to talk about it in the on-topic conversation
I believe this is objectively false because it doesn't look like anyone actually wants to talk about that. It's the baiter anon forcing everyone to look at it so he can laugh at the angry (You)s he's getting. And removing it would not force it to be linked off-board, rather removing it would just allow the thread to get back to talking about horse pussy.
Again it would've been different if it hadn't been clearly phrased as bait, but it was.
That being said, I do find your stance of "if it doesn't cause too much disruption moderation shouldn't take action" at least understandable and also not unreasonable. We just have different thresholds of what is "too much" disruption but if this is what you guys are going for, I'll live with it, and thanks for clarifying.
>>9483
>Users must sort this out among themselves, and hence me playing double's advocate in that calling someone a shill or nigger baiter can be justified to easily dismiss an argument if you feel like it's going nowhere and the other person is just wasting your time in bad faith.
See it sounds like that is just an excuse to be intellectually lazy and dismiss any disagreements as bad actors and ironically enough actors will take advantage of those kinds of people to destroy a community or to push bullshit like in the example of 8kun. I know many in the /pol/sphere like to pretend we are immune to propaganda, but we are not. Look how successful the red deer psyop was on 4/pol/. Part of the reason it was so successful is because anyone who called bullshit was labeled a shill and simply gave up.
>Users must sort this out among themselves, and hence me playing double's advocate in that calling someone a shill or nigger baiter can be justified to easily dismiss an argument if you feel like it's going nowhere and the other person is just wasting your time in bad faith.
See it sounds like that is just an excuse to be intellectually lazy and dismiss any disagreements as bad actors and ironically enough actors will take advantage of those kinds of people to destroy a community or to push bullshit like in the example of 8kun. I know many in the /pol/sphere like to pretend we are immune to propaganda, but we are not. Look how successful the red deer psyop was on 4/pol/. Part of the reason it was so successful is because anyone who called bullshit was labeled a shill and simply gave up.
>>9500
People will absolutely not want to post along seeing furshit porn or they would have used /trash/. It matters little over if they're genuine or not. /trash/ was awful dregs it's in the name. Do you want mlpol to have the same culture and reputation? Because you're giving even fuel to the fire that mlpol is just /trash/ with this far more than just your neutrality of striped.
Even 8moe has an obvious line of furshit being disallowed, and infact you would be hard pressed to find a singular mlp board on alt chans that ever was cool with sharing space with them. It's exactly like going to /a/ and posting 3dpd porn in a weeb space. This is one of the most retarded takes I've seen in a while
People will absolutely not want to post along seeing furshit porn or they would have used /trash/. It matters little over if they're genuine or not. /trash/ was awful dregs it's in the name. Do you want mlpol to have the same culture and reputation? Because you're giving even fuel to the fire that mlpol is just /trash/ with this far more than just your neutrality of striped.
Even 8moe has an obvious line of furshit being disallowed, and infact you would be hard pressed to find a singular mlp board on alt chans that ever was cool with sharing space with them. It's exactly like going to /a/ and posting 3dpd porn in a weeb space. This is one of the most retarded takes I've seen in a while
We need to disallow furshit if we are to survive as a pony board. Pony spaces that allow furshit become furry spaces.
>>9505
>When the board rules for /poner/ come, it will probably include a rule restricting furry or general non-mlp porn, and probably a “spoil your fetishes” rule.
At least /poner/ will be spared but I have a feeling the lax rules can allow it to spread like a weed in other boards
>When the board rules for /poner/ come, it will probably include a rule restricting furry or general non-mlp porn, and probably a “spoil your fetishes” rule.
At least /poner/ will be spared but I have a feeling the lax rules can allow it to spread like a weed in other boards
>>9503
lol on you posting
that right before >>9504
>>9501
You know, it’s possible you’re right, and the guy was trolling. But maybe some light trolling is good sometimes. Obviously there is a limit. It can easily become a dumpster fire. But sometimes some banter or light trolling is just fine.
>>9505
>>9506
Dude. It’s been eight years. There’s a thread on /qa/ somewhere from 7 years ago where someone asks “are furries allowed?” and Atlas responds “all are whalecum.” We haven’t been overrun by furries in the time since. It’s gonna be alright. Being trolled by a single hazbin hotel AI abomination isn’t going to kill off the community. The /qa/ spammers who successfully wiped the board in 2017 failed. That goon who infiltrated, made it to admin, and helped orchestrate that board wipe didn’t kill it. The multiple attempts to spam by soyjack party over the past few years haven’t done it. It’s gonna be alright.
Furry threads will be gassed on sight outside of /sp/. You’ll be alright.
[Read more] lol on you posting
that right before >>9504
>>9501
You know, it’s possible you’re right, and the guy was trolling. But maybe some light trolling is good sometimes. Obviously there is a limit. It can easily become a dumpster fire. But sometimes some banter or light trolling is just fine.
>>9505
>>9506
Dude. It’s been eight years. There’s a thread on /qa/ somewhere from 7 years ago where someone asks “are furries allowed?” and Atlas responds “all are whalecum.” We haven’t been overrun by furries in the time since. It’s gonna be alright. Being trolled by a single hazbin hotel AI abomination isn’t going to kill off the community. The /qa/ spammers who successfully wiped the board in 2017 failed. That goon who infiltrated, made it to admin, and helped orchestrate that board wipe didn’t kill it. The multiple attempts to spam by soyjack party over the past few years haven’t done it. It’s gonna be alright.
Furry threads will be gassed on sight outside of /sp/. You’ll be alright.
>>9500
>it will probably include a rule restricting furry or general non-mlp porn
Does this include anthro pony porn?
I make sure to spoiler it, but it would be a shame if I couldn't post it anymore. Although I can understand the sentiment, considering anthro was never allowed on /mlp/ in the first place.
>it will probably include a rule restricting furry or general non-mlp porn
Does this include anthro pony porn?
I make sure to spoiler it, but it would be a shame if I couldn't post it anymore. Although I can understand the sentiment, considering anthro was never allowed on /mlp/ in the first place.
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