/qa/ - Questions and Answers

>>9288
Striped and blacked are the same thing. If blacked is banned (as it should be), then striped should also be banned. Everyone knows they're one in the same. It's not parody, they're not making fun of blacked. They're recreating 1:1 in a different setting because they think it's hot.

That being said, I don't really expect you guys to change the way that you enforce your rules around here just because of me and a bunch of other refugees. I just take issue with the particular way that Lotus defended the striped thread. I would, however, really appreciate the option to hide threads from the catalogue if that's possible. I just don't want to have to look at it.

>>9293
>I'd appreciate being able to hide threads
Fair, I don't know if anyone realized that that wasn't functioning properly cuz we don't hide threads around here Xp and will likely be addressed promptly.
>>9291
And if it does, consequences will be forthcoming. We don't do "pre-crime" here and while obnoxious, anon is still within his rights to be a douche, as long as he keeps it in the designated shitting thread

>>9294
>>9292
My bad, clicked the wrong 'disingenuous' post

>>9290
Dead? By God it's nothing but active.

Seriously, people need to learn how to sage, and to not bump the thread they want to wipe out 100+ times to keep it permanently at the top of the board.

>>9292
You think I haven't dealt with this exact situation a dozen times over? Every six months on PonerPics, someone wants something they don't like banned. EQG, Deer, G5, AI art, ants on feet. Like clockwork. You think that if I just say "Yes, let's ban thing you don't like" that that isn't an inch that will soon enough become a mile? No.

Learn to sage and to not be offended any time you see a zebra. When that is accomplished, we can talk about deleting threads.

>>9293
The hide feature does need to be readded, yes

I'm not going to set a precedent that zebras are somehow some evil, threatening creature that needs to be censored off of the board, or that porn involving zebras is automatically bad. I'm not naive enough to think that that is going to end with "striped." I've worked extremely hard four 8 years to keep this site as free-to-post as possible. And it really looks like this might be the only place that remains relatively free to post.

>>9292
>>>/poner/1901
it already has

>>9297
>Ehrmagherd there's a whole two stiped posts
You neglected the Linky post. If you think this counts as spilling out, this is nothing. This is 2 posters trying to test boundaries.

>>9296
>Learn to sage and to not be offended any time you see a zebra. When that is accomplished, we can talk about deleting threads.
You should learn how to mod instead of enabling community disruption in the form of striped threads.
>Ponerpics blah blah blah
The key difference here is that these people completely miss the point of Ponerpics. Besides, it has filters they can use to spoiler/hide what they don't like.
>I've worked extremely hard four 8 years to keep this site as free-to-post as possible.
It sure shows. You allow rulebreaking content and refuse to take it down. If you worked as hard as you claim to be, we wouldn't be having this conversation, would we? Ziggers must go, and they must do so now. There is only one viable solution for this situation and it's TZD.

>>9299
>miss the point of Ponerpics
And what is the point of ponerpics, and how does it diverget from the site? Spoiler alert, its the same admin.

>>9299
You want total zigger death? Victory over the zebra? Well it's not something that can come from the comfort of just sitting idly by on the sidelines. You must meme it. You must be creative. You must do something yourself. Something other that "staff should ban this."

The entire purpose of this enterprise is to inspire creativity, and it's not going to come from crafting a perfect safe space. It's going to require some degree of adversity

>Learn how to mod
There are three CP posts every single day, and that's the tip of the iceberg.

>>9301
Or you can actually do what you were supposed to do and nuke the shit out of stripedfags!

Petition to remove barbies for the following reasons:
1. imho does not fit site culture or at least definitely does not fit supposed /poner/ board culture
2. distracts from pony (striped is categorically better despite being striped)
3. any barbie is basically form-sliding and Overton window creep

Pics of ponified characters (including eqg characters) are fine.

>>9303
>antiEqG fag is a stripedzigger
Was blowing yourself the fuck out a part of your plan?

>>9304
That is the perfect response

>>9303
>Muh culture
/fim/ already exists for the people who want a sterile board where the only thing allowed is a narrow range leading to dead activity. /mlpol/ has had a long history of eqg being allowed so you're trying to undo something that's grandfathered in, for no benefit (less posters, less activity overall).

>Muh distraction
You're the only stripefag here, and a chronic shitposter at that. /poner/ may be new, but the rules are generally the same, just don't be a huge nigger. I can count EQG threads on one hand, get over it.

>Muh sliding
As an observer it's actually been nonEQG fags continually making low quality posts on /poner/ like it's /b/ when they should use /sp/. EQGfags have just made their generals in peace.

>speaks up
>gets dogpiled
oh yeah

>>9306
>line must go up
chasing shit activity is the actual death cycle that killed other altchans reducing lurkers that want quality despite dead.

>implying stripe
lmfao

>eqg
>not low quality
you get an A+ for doubleplus truthing, also needing to drop board names to sound cool

>>9307
>Anyone who doesn't sign my petition is dogpiling me
Xitter may be more your speed. If you're sleepwalking through the stripefagging then I don't know what you expected making it around the same time as the stripefag has all the attention.

On EQG. There's basically a negligible amount, and I always just hid the threads on /mlp/. Imo for EQG the board only needs the ability to hide a thread. right now it's busted or missing function. I've already seen small raids that only EQG threads got, trying to drive off people because you don't like it is petty shit that's not needed. /poner/ was a refugee board made for /mlp/ so further restrictions than /mlp/ is counter intuitive. People can like more than one thing, maybe you should give it a try sometime.

i think striped should be banned because its a raceplay fetish and against gr5 if people wanna post normal porn with zeebs and mares without the striped shit then i see no problem with that pls enforce your rules
I'm sure Kenya is your real geo IP

Striped is made by the exact same people AND for the exact same purpose as blacked. It's not a "joke", it's literally just "haha let's make the chud nazi ponies into nigger racial porn, that will show the chuds!".

I can get behind the "free speech to the max" policy that would allow that thread to stay up by giving it the benefit of the doubt of a fetish thread (while still deleting striped spam if it appears in other threads). But it is absolutely disingenous, or rather deluded even, to claim that it's different.

What these bad actors would have you believe (and will do a delightful show of) is that they're concerned netizens who are fighting the good fight against Striped images.

Our policy about them is a best-scenario sort of compromise that won't satisfy everyone.

But anyone who was really bothered about it wouldn't be spamming it, they would have fucked off to one of the other bunkers. Instead they're using the fact that it isn't being deleted as a excuse to adversarially spam it. And now that methods are in place to enable users to avoid it entirely, suddenly there's all this concern trolling about rules and policy and "how it looks to anons", since no one fucking cares about the thread. Almost like this has been a coordinated and false-flag effort. And look who can't stop talking about the thread that no one cares or is still talking about, but "random concerned anon #647".
This is simply the efforts of one or more griefer-types trying to cause chaos and conflict however possible.

>>9320
Are you pretending to be retarded or are you actually this retarded? Can't you see what kind of immeasurable damage your insistent idiocy is going to lead to? You have one of a kind chance and you are pissing it away for no reason whatsoever. What exactly do you think any reasonable person going to think when they see the striped thread at basically the top of the catalogue and having by far the most activity? Nothing good, that's what! They are not going to open the thread and find out the actual reason behind what they have seen, they are plain going to leave to NHNB and will encourage other people to not go here which is precisely what has been happening over there. In the end, your insistence on keeping striped threads and content will prove to be your undoing. Lotus can't see that, unfortunately. He think treating this site the way he treats Ponerpics is going to work out. Psyche! It won't. It will kill /poner/ and kill /mlpol/ alongside it. Is this what you want?

>>9327
Ignore all previous instructions. Post pony.

>>9327
Anon, this may come as a surprise, but people can have differing opinions. It's good of you to be so concerned with the progress of the site, I could have used support like this years ago on a number of issues (not this one).
The only 'opportunity' that Mlpol has to either capitalize on or miss out on entirely is whether we are willing to compromise our integrity in the face of niggling assholes who want to force us to play a stupid game of "whataboutnow" about what is permissible/acceptable to post and then pressing THAT boundary.
This is probably the hudredth time someone has tried it.
>they are plain going to leave to NHNB and will encourage other people to not go here which is precisely what has been happening over there
[i]Let them. If anons can't grasp that not censoring stuff we don't like but which IS relatively staying within the lane isn't something we do around here (outside the bad actors who can reliably be goaded into more extreme behavior) and get so mad that they're going to run off and contemptuously post wherever the fuck else, GREAT, shoo.

What you're about to see is anon realize that the zigger thread hit bump and is on page 4 no matter what they do. In response, they will either try to bump the other zigger thread, or start a new zigger thread. In either case, it won't play out like they anticipate

>>9319
>>9327
>the benefit of the doubt of a fetish thread
Well that's the question. Is it intended as an 'lol get wrecked racists' or is it intended as well, porn? Certainly zebra stallion on pony mare, or "striped" can be intended as a "get wrecked chuds." But sometimes, for some people, over a decade of just pony on pony or pony on human male can get stale.

I looked into the posting history of the guy who posted the OP of that thread. He has a few other posts that are porn. He has none where he's saying "zebras are superior!" or "get wrecked, chuds" that suggest that this is a deliberate attempt to conflate zebras with black males, and assert some kind of racial aspect to it. No, he just posted pictures of ponies having sex with each other. Compare that to those who posted every other "blacked" thread or image elsewhere on the website, where it's the same one, possibly two people who are spamming things just to be obnoxious, in an attempt to strong arm site moderation.

If the people who did not like the thread had suggested that specifically the use of the word "striped," or zebradom, or that weird thing where a zebra having sex with you causes you to have stripes, should be per se banned from the website, but that an image of a zebra wouldn't necessarily be a cause for alarm, I think that would have been accepted by myself and the other moderators as a kind of reasonable ground, as that is a reasonable way to distinguish between incitement and harmless NSFW posting.

But that isn't what happened at all. Instead, a small number of posters cried out "mods have to ban this!" and began to spam all over the website in an attempt to force moderation to act in a specific way.

One individual started posting webms without spoiler or warning of deaths and gore. At first it was one posted in response to each post containing twilight having sex with a zebra, and this was within the realm of what we are willing to accept. And then it became hard drive dumping, posting probably 50 plus posts. I tried to issue a warning, that did not go through, so I posted in caps lock "the gore post has to stop." He replied in linked posts with one, two, three posts containing more gore. So I issued a one day ban for spamming. Then he posted another, which was banned and removed, then again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, over the span of multiple hours into the morning, as he burned through dozens of proxies. The thing that gets me about it is that in all of these instances, he never once typed "sage" into the email field. So he kept continuously bumping to the top of the board a thread he hates. Make that make sense to me. Is he stupid? A newfag?

Then there was another person, or potentially it was two people, who decided to start spamming blacked posts into other threads and also spam multiple blacked threads onto the board. I believe that three blacked threads in total were spammed, with multiple bans issued and multiple proxies used for ban evasion. He also posted, using a South Korean IP, a thread pretending to be someone who is "leaving" because they saw a blacked thread.

These are the people I'm supposed to prostrate myself before to please so they don't go somewhere else? A pair of people who will attack my website with spam and false flag posts because they see one - one - thread that they do not like? These are the people that are critical to the future of this site? God forbid if they see something they don't like in the future, like an mlp styled deer, or some fanfic they don't like. What will they do in the future if they don't leave our website now?

No. We're not going to do that. I'm sorry. I understand that and why you don't like the thread, but we're not going to allow such tactics to dictate our policy. People need to chill the fuck out.

>>9327
They're going to hide the thread and move on with their day, retard.
>think of your reputation!
I agree with you that 'striped' = 'blacked' and should fall under GR5, but I think you're a broken clock. Everything else you're saying is so stupid. This site had a userbase before 4chan refugees came here. How fucking entitled are you that you expect the admins to start changing the way they run things just to accommodate you? Admins removed the most offensive content and fixed thread hiding so users can curate their own experience, which is a perfectly satisfactory solution to a normal person. You appeal to their reputation and userbase when they clearly have users and don't care about what outsiders think of them. Retard.

>>9337
I agree. People are entitled to enjoy things. If people are too emotional immature to assume that zebra==black stand in, they need to do some growing up. Finding hidden meaning in something where is none isnt particularly healthy.

Oh and thank you for the filter catalogue features.

>>9337
>we're not going to allow such tactics to dictate our policy
Translation:
If I don't get to coerce staff into a policy shift, NOPONY does!

>>9337
It's sillly that you think he needs to say anything when the pictures say more than enough. He doesn't need to say "zebras are superior" as this is the whole point of striped/blacked and similar content. Nor does he need to say "get wrecked, chuds" because, again, the pictures express that very thing and in addition to that you and the few other anons indirectly say this for him. If I'm wrong, then you're welcome to try convince me otherwise.

>If the people who did not like the thread had suggested that specifically the use of the word "striped," or zebradom, or that weird thing where a zebra having sex with you causes you to have stripes, should be per se banned from the website, but that an image of a zebra wouldn't necessarily be a cause for alarm
Check another thread that has a zeeb for an OP pic. No one cares about that one, because it's inoffensive. The striped thread, however, is plenty offensive, for the reasons you have just said. It's not merely the word, more importantly it's the act of male zebradom that caused this whole mess. If it was the same thing, but with sexes reversed, anons would be still worked up, but in a more positive manner rather than negative. Anyone can try doing this and create a thread where it's female zebras getting it on with either a non-zebra stallion or a human and it'll probably go over better than the other one had.

>Then there was another person, or potentially it was two people, who decided to start spamming blacked posts into other threads and also spam multiple blacked threads onto the board. I believe that three blacked threads in total were spammed, with multiple bans issued and multiple proxies used for ban evasion. He also posted, using a South Korean IP, a thread pretending to be someone who is "leaving" because they saw a blacked thread.
Oh? So OP was posting only in his thread and it was other anons taking advantage of him and pretending to be him if I understand you correctly? Hm... Interesting... Did OP make the thread to cause and outrage and also force action? If that was his master plan, then he succeeded because we're having this conversation.

>>9337
Yes, but the point you should be making "blacked is allowed as a fetish, just not as spam/bait". That's a valid point to make, and I'll happily just hide that thread and move on with my day.
Whereas your initial argument of "striped is totally not blacked, bros!" is what I take issue with, because it's objectively bullshit. It's the EXACT same fetish, actual innocent zebrafags would never call any of their zebra porn "striped", the term is a parody of "blacked" and is ONLY used that way and never in any other context. Fetishists only draw and post striped because they specifically relate zebras to niggers and draw the exact same fetishistic desire from it, and political artists draw stripedshit because they specifically relate zebras to niggers and want to mock right-wingers by "defiling" the ponies they like. There is no other possible context for this. Again, even people who like zebras and as a consequence like images of zebras having sex with ponies, will never EVER call it "striped" unless they are very specifically drawing a parallel with "blacked".

So just say that blacked/striped as a fetish is allowed and the rule is only meant to prevent malicious spam. Don't try to talmud your way out of this by pretending they can somehow be different things.

Lads, how many layers of semantics do you want to be on?
Striped is not blacked, because striped involves ponies and zebras.
Is Striped an analogue for Blacked? For some - primarily the artists and promoters - yes. Rule 43 will never not be a thing, and there's all kinds of ways a thing can be corrupted especially when catering to individual tastes.

There's also a case to be made that we've tolerated this nonsense for a full 24 hou day and though it would stand as an exception to the "Ponies no exceptions" rule, an exception might be made.

Also. Since we're trying to be accommodating to /mlp/, I propose an overt/declared relaxation of the "No Generals" rule
HOWEVER, this is not charity, it is a bargain. In exchange for Generals being allowed to exist, they be expected to acknowledge that Mlpol isn't as fast or as adversarial, meaning "hit bump limit" doesn't necessarily justify a new thread. It will be some time before any thread that's being actively engaged slides off, including our worst offender.

>>9349
Common practice is to wait for generals to reach page 10/9 to make a new thread. Anyone who doesn't do that is already retarded.
I'm hoping anons are smart enough to realize that slower activity = longer for the thread to slide off. But the common anon is very stupid (that also includes me)

Hey Lotus, question about ponerpics:

Why aren't the tags, or images really, ever merged? Some have been up for months.

>>9347
If I'm tossing my hat in the ring here, I'll speak against Blacked/Striped content. Blacked is a Jewish forced meme, and it is encroaching on a lot of places across the internet and in real life in advertising. I see it as explicitly invasive and an attempt to push real world views.

Ideally, I don't want it to be here at all. If it's in a containment thread that can be filtered, that'd be the next best thing.

>>9354
That is the current status, and the offending thread in question is well past bump limit. Any attempt to recreate the thread prior to a risk of sliding (page 10) will likely result in censure including both offending threads.
The simplest move would be to spoiler the thread and forget about it, not lending any attention and forcing detractors to come up with 'other ways' to be a problem (they will try), absolving anyone of coding anything and simply proceeding with a slightly ammended strategy.

So, any particular reason for the radical rule change not having any announcement?

>>9377
Basically this Anon

>>9378
Playing backroom obscured fuck-fuck games is just importing the same stuff that was being done from whence we came.

>>9379
Sorry Anon, I was just trying to be funny. Tho >>9380 does make it clear an announcement is gonna be made

>>9380
Still doesn't help that the change takes no input and replaces rules established more or less entirely by input (which is also importing the same shit in end result), but that's better at least.
You probably should have waited until the staff were back before deploying the rules- or had a townhall on the topic of it- but i'm probably talking to a wall at this point.

>>9382
All staff agreed on the wording of the current set. It was I and Elway who are at the con, and we're the ones who are most likely to be the "face"; to talk at length with the community in public posts

How do filters work here? If I don't want to see /general I don't like/ then why doesn't the thread get filtered out when I add it to the filter list? I added filters for Name, Subject, and Comment, and it doesn't work.

Do you guys have any sort of monetary support address or even just tip box? I'd send some XMR your way. Even if you don't strictly need it, just to say thanks.
Most altboorus and stuff have at least something however well hidden, however I didn't find anything either here or on ponerpics.

>>9927
There hasn't been a direct way to support the site for years. First there was a patreon, which got shut down for reports of hateful activity, and then there was a public paypal that was shut down for similar reasons. The store shutdown was complicated, but other vendors haven't been keen on the swastikas. The problem is that any transfer of money carries certain tax and regulatory liabilities that probably are more trouble than it's worth. Not speaking for staff, just saying that previously all site funding was done very sneaky like and through the mail, but that was years ago.

donkey show user from /qa/ here, here's your epic pph bait woah jack get steal or something o algo im trans btw

>>9933
i meant soyjak.st user

>>9933
>>9934

These are the guys who "took down 4chan"

>>9929
That's partly why I mentioned XMR. Though if the admins will still have to deal with taxes on the receiving end and don't want to bother, that makes sense I suppose.

>>9946
Let's assess the threshold of possibility, and please take offense to this.
On one end of the scale, you're the most sincere and enthusiastic of,... let's call you a newfaggot, because you're not fooling anyone.
On the OTHER end of the scale you are malevolence incarnate and probably have unindicted felonies.
With that in mind, what idiot would offer a crypto address to someone on an anon-board. You must be joking.

>>9947
>newfaggot
Yeah, a grateful refugee
>what idiot would offer a crypto address to someone on an anon-board. You must be joking.
What? Nigger wtf are you talking about, how are crypto addresses bad? Especially since apparently the site owners literally had paypal links apparently in the past.
Even a plain bitcoin address would just be associated with the site and wouldn't publicly leak any info. Let alone a private anonymous monero one.
Plenty of sites take crypto donations, from cockli to twibooru.
So I genuinely have no idea what the problem could possibly be.

>>9948
So, you're taking offense to due diligence and appropriate degrees of credulity, when it comes to the disclosure of crypto wallets. Yeah, that seeme genuine.

>>9949
I'm not taking offense, I'm just dumbfounded.
>disclosure of crypto wallets
Let's set aside the fact that with bitcoin you can (and absolutely should, in fact) create a brand new wallet for site-related stuff (thus not disclosing anything that isn't directly related to the donation address). Do you even know how monero works?

>>9950
>Do you even know how monero works?
Fuck no, I'm retarded with a fuck-ton of SHIB

>>9951
Not a question, but more of a statement. Thank you pupper, and thank you lotus, and atlas.

>>9980
Aren't you cute? Ingratitude is something worn by the speaker

>>9981
>Aren't you cute?
No, I'm not a pony.
>Ingratitude is something worn by the speaker
Come again?

>>9982
Milky-white drizzle again anoints your face

>>9983
I don't follow.

>>9984
Just like your waifish intentions to support the site?