Taken from “The Four Loves” by C.S. Lewis. I recommend watching all four of these videos, ending with Agape, as they are quite revealing of human nature.
First of all, it’s important to realize that there are four types of love:
Agape, the divine love, which transcends all other kinds of love and is love for its own sake
Eros, romantic love, which is the love that makes itself felt in “falling in love” as well as in sexual relationships
Storge, affection, which is the love one feels toward his family and relatives as well as toward neighbors and acquaintances
Philia, friendship, which is the special love one feels toward close and dear friends
It is uncommon in today’s world to experience philia, you would be very fortunate if you do so. You’re likely to feel eros and storge at one time or another, even agape if you’re religious, but philia is exceedingly uncommon as it requires a much more peculiar set of personalities and situations to develop. It’s not the same as today’s concept of “friends” who are people you hang out with. Thus most people go through their whole lives without true friends.
Philia was worshipped by the ancient Greeks because it was considered the most “spiritual” of loves (which is also why it’s the most uncommon). It is not something you can observe among animals. It is also completely “unnecessary” in natural terms as well as voluntary, and it does not have any personal gain as its end. It is also not jealous; to have more friends is always better.
Camaraderie is not the same but it is a prerequisite. Camaraderie is part of being a team or “club” for the sake of either similar goals or companionship, but after achieving these goals you may thank each other and go your separate ways. Signs of philia are if after long absences or changes in profession old friends can still carry on a friendship as if there was no pause at all. Likewise there is a lack of material interest; one cares about the other person only because of personality and any material attributes are an accident, something merely to be talked about. Companionship is external, philia is internal, but the latter is derived from the former.
As there’s no self-interest like that in storge it cannot be corrupted from within by animal instincts. Philia is in fact so powerful that it tends to have higher priority than the other loves, particularly storge and eros. “Bros before hoes” is implicit and need not a reminder if it is true philia. Friends have the same goals.
Philia as a very spiritual love amplifies one’s own moral strength. With a “band of brothers” one can stand against the world and care not for its judgement. One person alone may fear the retribution of society but with several true friends this is virtually absent; there is a micro-society that has its own norms and standards apart from society and it’s to this one holds oneself. Hence the analogy of a “resistance movement,” but this can be for either good or evil. Martyrs may celebrate that they’re going to the gallows together as friends, but gang members (or the corrupt elite of today) may have no less strong a feeling of philia.
The dearth of philia today can be seen by how few novels celebrate it. Of course characters have friends, but is there the same bond that was sacred in classical novels? I think that MLP had a noble goal of reawakening the importance and nature of friendship though it lost sight of this in later seasons.
God, although he compares His love to that of a lover (eros) or that of a father (storge) quite often, very seldom compares it to that of a friend in the Bible. C.S. Lewis doesn’t explain why specifically but I think the sketch artist who uploaded the video has a good explanation. Friendship with God is something to be earned because it is a special understanding that requires understanding somewhat and accepting wholly God’s will. Many of us say we would accept God’s plan but if we actually knew what it entailed would probably want to thwart it; even Peter who is certainly Christ’s friend invited rebuke (Matt 16:22). To be a friend of God is to be in His confidence and requires a level of spiritual union that only the saints have achieved.
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One perspicacious prediction on the part of Lewis was the decline of friendship among women and how this would affect us. He noticed that in traditional (tribal) societies women have common tasks where they can socialize, similar to how the men could socialize over the hunt. Thus there were male-only and female-only “clubs” where the formation of friendship could take place. In modern societies there is a different mechanism whereby people of the same education or tastes can bond over similar interests, therefore making friendship possible. This is why I’ve observed scientists and intellectuals tend to be blessed with friendships over their careers. However, the average woman cannot make it to this second level and she doesn’t have a common denominator in the first. Even in Lewis’s time (1958) women were quite friendless and this must be much more the case now. Whether married or unmarried women essentially live alone and other women are not colleagues but visitors or neighbors. Likewise women want to join the friendship circles of men, but joining such a circle inherently changes it and destroys it.
Lewis further observed that without close friends, and aside from the other loves of eros and storge (this is why it’s much worse among unmarried women!) women tend to fill their lives with things meant to ease this emptiness like through the enormous amount of literature intended for them. Of course, it does no good and conditions have declined even more since Lewis’s time. The existence of such literature indicated to Lewis that fear and distrust of friendship was becoming influential. The lack of means by which to find friendship has led to the use of Tumblr, Instagram, and to attempting to join fandoms to find fulfillment. The knowledge that some men have been able to find community and friendship in hobbies and pursuits has driven a desire among women either to force themselves into these groups or an intense envy to vilify these groups. If obtaining friends through similar pursuits such as hunting, vidya, or DnD is a slice of heaven, then the feminist obsession with destroying these pursuits is a slice of the demonic hatred toward us being able to obtain a heaven denied to them.
Lewis further observed that without close friends, and aside from the other loves of eros and storge (this is why it’s much worse among unmarried women!) women tend to fill their lives with things meant to ease this emptiness like through the enormous amount of literature intended for them. Of course, it does no good and conditions have declined even more since Lewis’s time. The existence of such literature indicated to Lewis that fear and distrust of friendship was becoming influential. The lack of means by which to find friendship has led to the use of Tumblr, Instagram, and to attempting to join fandoms to find fulfillment. The knowledge that some men have been able to find community and friendship in hobbies and pursuits has driven a desire among women either to force themselves into these groups or an intense envy to vilify these groups. If obtaining friends through similar pursuits such as hunting, vidya, or DnD is a slice of heaven, then the feminist obsession with destroying these pursuits is a slice of the demonic hatred toward us being able to obtain a heaven denied to them.
Once again I was an idiot and didn't link the video. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hM4izbColg
I like this channel quite a lot because it highlights key aspects of C.S. Lewis's thoughts and illustrates them vividly.
I like this channel quite a lot because it highlights key aspects of C.S. Lewis's thoughts and illustrates them vividly.
>>257450
Very interesting, specially about women's psychology and how they compare to Jews.
>video
I'm on it.
Very interesting, specially about women's psychology and how they compare to Jews.
>video
I'm on it.
>>257448
It is intresting that you say this because I have friend like that. Philia... I will remember that because it describes my feelings towards him. We both are redpilled and hhave many similarities but we are also different as I'm intrested in learning about christianity and becoming on myself, while he is an atheist. But that doesn't bother us in our relationship. We respect one another completely.
He is the guy, I can tell everything to. Or at least, almost everything. We talk about so many things. If I can't talk to him about it, then I can't talk to anybody else about it either.
I get all warm and fussy in my chest when I think of him Fuck you I'm not gay. But that is also one of the things that I think is part of this world's elites' aganda. To make it hard for men to become good friends by imply that if you are then you are gay.. I feel such joy.
>The dearth of philia today can be seen by how few novels celebrate it. Of course characters have friends, but is there the same bond that was sacred in classical novels? I think that MLP had a noble goal of reawakening the importance and nature of friendship though it lost sight of this in later seasons.
Yes, I have been thinking about that and I, who has actually taken a break from school to write and has aspirations to become a writer, has thought about that sort of. I want to write about the such close friendships.
Honestly, the one thing I can think off that has this Philia-love in in its art, right now that is, is Frodo's and Sam's relationship in Lord of the rings films, I haven't read the books so I cannot tell. I have heard that in the books their relationship were a bit more that between a master and a servent.
>>257449
This seems to be an intresting perspective that I hadn't thought about before. That woman has a hard time making friends, is actually something I didn't know. your explaintion sort of makes sense is is certainly something to look into clsoer at.
How do you think about the woman in woman dominated jobs, like nurses, are they blessed in this regard?
It is intresting that you say this because I have friend like that. Philia... I will remember that because it describes my feelings towards him. We both are redpilled and hhave many similarities but we are also different as I'm intrested in learning about christianity and becoming on myself, while he is an atheist. But that doesn't bother us in our relationship. We respect one another completely.
He is the guy, I can tell everything to. Or at least, almost everything. We talk about so many things. If I can't talk to him about it, then I can't talk to anybody else about it either.
I get all warm and fussy in my chest when I think of him Fuck you I'm not gay. But that is also one of the things that I think is part of this world's elites' aganda. To make it hard for men to become good friends by imply that if you are then you are gay.. I feel such joy.
>The dearth of philia today can be seen by how few novels celebrate it. Of course characters have friends, but is there the same bond that was sacred in classical novels? I think that MLP had a noble goal of reawakening the importance and nature of friendship though it lost sight of this in later seasons.
Yes, I have been thinking about that and I, who has actually taken a break from school to write and has aspirations to become a writer, has thought about that sort of. I want to write about the such close friendships.
Honestly, the one thing I can think off that has this Philia-love in in its art, right now that is, is Frodo's and Sam's relationship in Lord of the rings films, I haven't read the books so I cannot tell. I have heard that in the books their relationship were a bit more that between a master and a servent.
>>257449
This seems to be an intresting perspective that I hadn't thought about before. That woman has a hard time making friends, is actually something I didn't know. your explaintion sort of makes sense is is certainly something to look into clsoer at.
How do you think about the woman in woman dominated jobs, like nurses, are they blessed in this regard?
>>257663
Lucky you and I'm envious! I have what one may describe as "good friends" (not really redpilled but open to it) but nothing with quite a deepfelt bond. I'm amiable but always guarded even among them.
Does he know about /mlpol/?
>Frodo's and Sam's relationship in Lord of the rings films
Now that's a good example! It's difficult to think of specific examples, though I know I saw some old Westerns where this was at play.
>How do you think about the woman in woman dominated jobs, like nurses, are they blessed in this regard?
Depends on the specific situation. My mother was a teacher but other women at her school were the backbiting sort who made work horrible for her. Ditto for a Chinese friend of mine who's a public worker but had to deal with the more subtle insincerities and rivalries endemic in that culture.
Lucky you and I'm envious! I have what one may describe as "good friends" (not really redpilled but open to it) but nothing with quite a deepfelt bond. I'm amiable but always guarded even among them.
Does he know about /mlpol/?
>Frodo's and Sam's relationship in Lord of the rings films
Now that's a good example! It's difficult to think of specific examples, though I know I saw some old Westerns where this was at play.
>How do you think about the woman in woman dominated jobs, like nurses, are they blessed in this regard?
Depends on the specific situation. My mother was a teacher but other women at her school were the backbiting sort who made work horrible for her. Ditto for a Chinese friend of mine who's a public worker but had to deal with the more subtle insincerities and rivalries endemic in that culture.
Here's a country song from a few years ago about friendship. I liked it a lot, but now it kinda makes me sad ever since I realized that I don't have any true friends. What "friends" that I have would be appalled if they knew some of my beliefs. The "red pills" that I've taken. I'm ok with interacting with those who do not share my beliefs. But as you all know, for liberals the feeling is not mutual.
I thought that I'd be ok without having a truly close friend, but the bit that has hurt the hardest was the realization that I don't have anyone who I would choose as my Best Man for when I get married someday.
https://youtu.be/JREouTHpyJE
I thought that I'd be ok without having a truly close friend, but the bit that has hurt the hardest was the realization that I don't have anyone who I would choose as my Best Man for when I get married someday.
https://youtu.be/JREouTHpyJE
>>257689
>No-nationaist friends
Yeah, I got ohter friends like that. We are not as close because of that, however, I became real close with two off them because of circumstances. I became firnds with A because his mother and mine were old childhood friends and so we became friends. We have a pretty goood bond. B I became friends with because he he struggled ith school and I who was pretty down in the dumps helped him like a month so that he manged to take a test.
I'm not sure if that was the wisest choice for me but at the time it felt like helping him helped me in someway. I was locked in my apartment away from everybody else. So having a reason to go out and so was good.
>My veteran nazi friend
Yes, but he thinks ponies are autistic. So I always gets bants for it. He listens more to podcasts like the Daily Shoah and such.
>>257861
I think that people who are still not close would reject you but people who know you cannot justify just leavin you. I think the safest route to redpill somebody is to make sure htey know you are a good guy so it becomes some sort cognative dissonance about how this makes sense that you can also be a bad guy. I mean unless, you are just talking to strangers, in those situations only your arguments counts and maybe the presentation.
Which I still think counts when you are talking to friends. Not to get mad at their projections onto you, infact trying ot keep the conversation civil by questioning such behavoir from them. Like if they project than call them out for their lies and as, "How do you know that?" Question their position and explain why your position is strong, in fact, stand up for everything you say and don't let them intimate you for thought crime.
This is obviously hard to do. It is always quiet the emotional ride to do to try to remaind stoic under. Well, maybe not stoic, you can justify your emotions at the time and explain that if they say shit about you you will get mad over it regardless if that was the right thing to be in that situation. And basically say, "Let's start over."
I don't know. I think I'm rambling because I tried again to redpill my mom, which just reveal that is the very much a woman even if she has her nuances. She told me that jesus told that we should turn the other cheek but hte conversation veered off from that point. I should have told her that jesus also whipped people but whatever.
What I'm trying to say is that I'm no expert on how to deal with this kind of problem. My friend is completely ingognito. We learnt of each others exsitence by ridiculous circumstances that makes me faithful otherwise I would never have known him and we even knew each other before wee learnt of each others opinion.
Anyway, sometimes I have regreted that I was honest with people about my opinions, my parents, and sometimes I'm proud of it, also my parents and so on. I'm no expert.
>No-nationaist friends
Yeah, I got ohter friends like that. We are not as close because of that, however, I became real close with two off them because of circumstances. I became firnds with A because his mother and mine were old childhood friends and so we became friends. We have a pretty goood bond. B I became friends with because he he struggled ith school and I who was pretty down in the dumps helped him like a month so that he manged to take a test.
I'm not sure if that was the wisest choice for me but at the time it felt like helping him helped me in someway. I was locked in my apartment away from everybody else. So having a reason to go out and so was good.
>My veteran nazi friend
Yes, but he thinks ponies are autistic. So I always gets bants for it. He listens more to podcasts like the Daily Shoah and such.
>>257861
I think that people who are still not close would reject you but people who know you cannot justify just leavin you. I think the safest route to redpill somebody is to make sure htey know you are a good guy so it becomes some sort cognative dissonance about how this makes sense that you can also be a bad guy. I mean unless, you are just talking to strangers, in those situations only your arguments counts and maybe the presentation.
Which I still think counts when you are talking to friends. Not to get mad at their projections onto you, infact trying ot keep the conversation civil by questioning such behavoir from them. Like if they project than call them out for their lies and as, "How do you know that?" Question their position and explain why your position is strong, in fact, stand up for everything you say and don't let them intimate you for thought crime.
This is obviously hard to do. It is always quiet the emotional ride to do to try to remaind stoic under. Well, maybe not stoic, you can justify your emotions at the time and explain that if they say shit about you you will get mad over it regardless if that was the right thing to be in that situation. And basically say, "Let's start over."
I don't know. I think I'm rambling because I tried again to redpill my mom, which just reveal that is the very much a woman even if she has her nuances. She told me that jesus told that we should turn the other cheek but hte conversation veered off from that point. I should have told her that jesus also whipped people but whatever.
What I'm trying to say is that I'm no expert on how to deal with this kind of problem. My friend is completely ingognito. We learnt of each others exsitence by ridiculous circumstances that makes me faithful otherwise I would never have known him and we even knew each other before wee learnt of each others opinion.
Anyway, sometimes I have regreted that I was honest with people about my opinions, my parents, and sometimes I'm proud of it, also my parents and so on. I'm no expert.
>>259087
>Yes, but he thinks ponies are autistic. So I always gets bants for it. He listens more to podcasts like the Daily Shoah and such.
Every man is entitled to at least some autistic pursuits. "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." For some people it's Star Wars, for others it's anime, for many it's western animation of one sort or another. How we treat the medium and place it in our lives determines our maturity and the fulfillment we get from it. That is to say, you can explain why you find the show appealing through parallels with commonly-held values, but don't let him see the clopfics on your computer!
I've never listened to TDS and I've heard it's controlled opposition/a honeypot. I don't know if he's heard of those rumors. I've listened to the Godcast on their site though and it tends to be well thought-out and sincere, so he might be interested in some of that (unless if he's a neo-pagan like is popular in Sweden now).
>I think the safest route to redpill somebody is to make sure htey know you are a good guy so it becomes some sort cognative dissonance about how this makes sense that you can also be a bad guy.
This and that you arrived at your views logically. You have to make sure not to trip any emotional wires while appealing to the intellect to actually redpill someone; it's like picking a lock. The best way to do that is to understand the other position, understand why it's held and then proceed gently to a worldview close to (though not necessarily completely aligned with) your own. Being honest doesn't mean being brash and direct, just being sincere. For example you never say "Jews are the problem lmao" but you approach difficult issues indirectly, like "people with backgrounds, cultures and beliefs apart from our own tend to group up among themselves and I'm afraid that is what happened with our media and positions of power," or, when talking with a neocon you don't say "Iranians call America the Big Satan and they're RIGHT" but rather "the world has not gotten safer because our interventions in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen have caused untold human suffering and it has not benefited the American people one bit."
I recommend studying rhetoric. It will also help you pick up Jewish argumentation techniques and let you call them out.
>Yes, but he thinks ponies are autistic. So I always gets bants for it. He listens more to podcasts like the Daily Shoah and such.
Every man is entitled to at least some autistic pursuits. "When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." For some people it's Star Wars, for others it's anime, for many it's western animation of one sort or another. How we treat the medium and place it in our lives determines our maturity and the fulfillment we get from it. That is to say, you can explain why you find the show appealing through parallels with commonly-held values, but don't let him see the clopfics on your computer!
I've never listened to TDS and I've heard it's controlled opposition/a honeypot. I don't know if he's heard of those rumors. I've listened to the Godcast on their site though and it tends to be well thought-out and sincere, so he might be interested in some of that (unless if he's a neo-pagan like is popular in Sweden now).
>I think the safest route to redpill somebody is to make sure htey know you are a good guy so it becomes some sort cognative dissonance about how this makes sense that you can also be a bad guy.
This and that you arrived at your views logically. You have to make sure not to trip any emotional wires while appealing to the intellect to actually redpill someone; it's like picking a lock. The best way to do that is to understand the other position, understand why it's held and then proceed gently to a worldview close to (though not necessarily completely aligned with) your own. Being honest doesn't mean being brash and direct, just being sincere. For example you never say "Jews are the problem lmao" but you approach difficult issues indirectly, like "people with backgrounds, cultures and beliefs apart from our own tend to group up among themselves and I'm afraid that is what happened with our media and positions of power," or, when talking with a neocon you don't say "Iranians call America the Big Satan and they're RIGHT" but rather "the world has not gotten safer because our interventions in Iraq, Libya, Syria, and Yemen have caused untold human suffering and it has not benefited the American people one bit."
I recommend studying rhetoric. It will also help you pick up Jewish argumentation techniques and let you call them out.
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