>wanting societal problems to be solved
>not enjoying seeing the normies suffering
>>237126>Anybody worried about the technological progress?
Not even a little bit.>Quantum computing
It'll definitely cause a huge upset in the computer industry. Cryptography alone will be a brief brick-shitting period of time, and that's not even counting the potential ramifications on blockchains. But we'll adapt to it, like always.>AI
It's been my experience that most opinions on AI are primarily informed by fiction and anthropomorphization. In other words, people keep projecting human qualities onto something that, while created by humans, is not human. The simple truth of the matter is that you can pour as much thought into it as you want, but you will never know the actual truth of the ramifications until we try it out and see what happens. My money's on it being an awesome development that is >=70% positive for humanity.>5G
Highly overrated. 5G is very short-range, and has to have lots, and I mean lots
, of power hungry cell broadcasters mounted to the top of existing skyscrapers and office buildings. Which means that it's strictly an urban and suburban radio technology. Nobody but city slickers will be able to take advantage of this.>all the calculation is in the computers of the big corps.
That would be big data and cloud computing. Cloud has more or less stagnated at this point, but big data definitely hasn't. In fact, that's where you'll see the bulk of AI and neural net development happening: to process those enormous quantities of data much faster, more efficiently, and with more accuracy.>There are a lot more problems like the dumbing down of the population by technology and the dependency of it for our survival.
I'll be honest, this is entirely a generational gap thing. The same arguments for and against new waves of technology are made by each successive generation, typically along the lines of "making things easier/dumber". Radio, TV, and now the Internet is one such example, though it can be extrapolated to other developments. In practice, we always find ways to adapt to the new developments, and we always thwart any attempt to control things more tightly, even if it takes a while for this subversion to trickle down to the wider society.
When technology makes us sufficiently free from labours, we will Mouse Utopia ourselves because brains can't cope with problem free environments.https://youtu.be/5m7X-1V9nOs
Lad, we're already at that point. only 1/9th of lads in the UK even believe their lives have been/could be truly happy. Germany, Italy, France, and Canada probably have even lower rates.
Agreed. I saw some stats recently that 30% of Gen-Z had no friends according to a survey. >>237191
Kinda my point. We will make sure we have problems.
Unless you call one person who you can't even chat with daily and lives across the country, the extent of whose relationship with you is essentially just sharing memes, porn and roleplaying, a "friend"….well, guess I'm a pretty typical zoomer.
>>237193>We will make sure we have problems.
Damn right we will. We can't help but keep our skills sharp. It's something I love about us.
I believe that to be a problem with parenting, and proper socialization.>>236866>>237195
Yeah, basically this.
Depending on how the made the questionnaire varying results will follow.>>237198
Yep. Even if we have to manufacture useful problems. Like games, or challenges.
We haven't colonized our solar system yet. It keeps going until all previously fictional possibilities can become true.
>>237201>We haven't colonized our solar system yet.
Oh, there's lots to do before that stage happens. There's still a whole 71% of our planet to explore. I firmly believe we won't truly succeed in space until we first succeed in the oceans. There's a much higher chance of meeting intelligent life down there than beyond the Earth, too.
True friends are hard to get. The "friend" status usually are reserved for people who you mantain contact with.
This is usually people of your block, but ever since appartments were created, we just accomodate in our rooms.
You can make friends at work, but they live around 2hs away from your house, and if you don't have a car and public transport is crappy/difficult/expensive, you may just stay at home.
Gaming PC is good, but those only last until you change the game next year.
A true true friend is hard to keep as well: new anniversaries, some schedule changes, maybe a shared event or two. And let's not get into lending/asking a few bucks
My last friend I made it on my work. He lived 4 hs from my home, and he didn't had a fixed phone. It was a cellphone with money charges. After I left my job for other, it last a few months and I never heard again from him.
That's life. It takes us to our own paths: we came alone, we meet some people, we share paths, experiences, we wave goodbye, we leave alone.
At least it makes me happy you guys are part from it. Let's see how long we walk together.
Sorry for the delay but had to take care of some things.>>237132
Sometimes I wonder what the best path is. Maybe you can't stop some people from running off the cliffs and maybe some need the pain to learn.>>237136
He is not wrong.>>237180
I kind of admire your optimism but I don't agree with you.
The thing with quantum computing is more than just encryption. Unless we make MAJOR evolutions in cooling and material science the big corps will be the only ones with access and the true power has yet to be discovered.
You may be right about the AI but you shouldn't dismiss the dangers of it.
The problem with 5G and thin clients is that it gives more and more power to the big companies and makes us more dependent. The power of analitcs and manipulation are ever increasing.>I'll be honest, this is entirely a generational gap thing.
I couldn't disagree more. Despite having more and more ressources the mental and physical health and the human potential is more and more declining. Talks to doctors, to educators or any other group that deals with humans in general and the upbringing. Our youth is getting sicker by the year.>>237188>>237190>>237193>>237195>>237198>>237206
This bizarro-real world paired with hopelessness and nihilism makes people sick.>>237206
There is this saying "german friends are hard to get and hard to lose" and I think that is okay. It seems that americans call anyone friend they hung out with for more than five minutes while I still have contact with the people I grew up with and live in other states.
>>237710>He is not wrong.
I like that guy. I'm subbed to him on bitchute myself. He does a lot to sum up how the down-to-earth feel about modern politics, but also has a lot of academic resources to get a little more stuck-in and nuanced with it. And his videos on linux and tech are enlightening too!
Feels like it's needed here.>>237710>Unless we make MAJOR evolutions in cooling and material science the big corps will be the only ones with access and the true power has yet to be discovered.
Buying heatpumps for server rooms would work great, but average consumer stuff isn't going to cut it.
Getting a big metal rod, and putting it in a very deep hole can keep cooling the room practically for free after the initial cost of drilling, and the cost of metal.
The biggest problem with quantum computing is reliably mass manufacturing the things for use of the wider population (AKA us). Until it is it will be used by big tec, (((them))), military, and the government.
>Our youth is getting sicker by the year.
Yes, and also it's not quite right. Humans are made to adapt we'll adapt to the new changes, or we will die.
Some people will survive better.>>237180> In practice, we always find ways to adapt to the new developments, and we always thwart any attempt to control things more tightly, even if it takes a while for this subversion to trickle down to the wider society.
I also have high hopes for AI (general automated intelligence).
It could go very wrong very fast, but sadly at this point that might be a good thing.
Not in the kill all humans, but the indifferent calculation of maximizing stamps sort of thing.
I get the feeling that most of this disagreement stems from a disagreement on what 'technology' itself is. I'll go ahead and get that defined right out of the gate, just to avoid confusion.
Technology, as I understand it, is tools. That's it. Better technology = better tools. There is no distinction in my eyes. Therefore, most fears I encounter about technology are either based in a fear of too rapid of an advancement (a reasonable fear), or what the tools do beyond their prescribed uses (which I consider unreasonable, since they, by definition, would cease to be tools; see AI).
>Unless we make MAJOR evolutions in cooling and material science the big corps will be the only ones with access and the true power has yet to be discovered.
That isn't really a criticism of quantum computing itself, but a criticism of who gets control of the quantum computers. Technology always needs a brief period of investment and risk before it becomes widely adopted, so it makes sense that large entities would be the first to get their hands on it.
If you're afraid of the technology being permanently controlled by a single entity, there's zero chance of that happening for any lengthy period of time. Remember, the Internet started as DARPAnet, something to coordinate military resources only. That didn't last very long. The tech always leaks and gets assimilated by the masses eventually.>You may be right about the AI but you shouldn't dismiss the dangers of it.
If there is a danger, it will be one manufactured by frightenened humans. AIs will have no reason to start shit with humans unless we give them a reason to. I see symbiosis as the more logical outcome, especially since AIs started as tools of ours, and human fiction loves
a good antagonist.>The problem with 5G and thin clients is that it gives more and more power to the big companies and makes us more dependent.
Again, only in the big cities. Incidentally, you'll notice there's a downward trend of city inhabitants as of late in wealthy countries. If that trend continues, 5G will be even more of a flash in the pan.>Despite having more and more ressources the mental and physical health and the human potential is more and more declining. Talks to doctors, to educators or any other group that deals with humans in general and the upbringing. Our youth is getting sicker by the year.
Not gonna lie, this took a turn I wasn't really expecting. One, I don't see what this has to do with technology. And two, I don't agree with your assertion either way; it rather contradicts our historically high access to healthcare and information.
Do you have any sources for these claims?
I'm not 100% sure on what's going to happen in the future. But I'm split between hoping for a Tracer Tong ending to our modern situation, and hoping that racist computers redpill the masses just enough to get their shit together and recreate Evropa in its former glory with the help of said technology.Also it's "Artificial General Intelligence."
You don't just need cooling but cooling to get as close to 0°K as possible and that is not possible right now for broad use.>>237721
You are right that it is not a criticism of quantum computiing itself but that we are creating more and more powerful tools. The tools are becoming powerful enough to threaten the existance of our entire species and we giving it only to those who don't like humans in general. Also what I wrote to the other anon goes for this too.>If there is a danger, it will be one manufactured by frightenened humans. AIs will have no reason to start shit with humans unless we give them a reason to. I see symbiosis as the more logical outcome, especially since AIs started as tools of ours, and human fiction loves a good antagonist.
Honestly I think there is a lot wrong with this. If it takes any value in it's own existance it will see humans as a threat. And even if it isn't itself the ones who control it can use it to get rid of undesireables.
Not gonna lie, this took a turn I wasn't really expecting. One, I don't see what this has to do with technology. And two, I don't agree with your assertion either way; it rather contradicts our historically high access to healthcare and information.
Do you have any sources for these claims?
None of the top of my head but I am quite sure you can find data on the receeding life expactancy, lowering on IQ, lowering of general health, increase on psychological sickness and so on…
From personal experience working in different fields I can say that things are getting more fucked up by the day.>One, I don't see what this has to do with technology
Really? The world we created with the use of technology and that poisens us has nothing to do technology?
>>237727>If it takes any value in it's own existance it will see humans as a threat.
Why, though? I'm really not understanding the thought process here.>And even if it isn't itself the ones who control it can use it to get rid of undesireables.
If the operators had the power to do that, they'd have commissioned armies to do it by that point. Making an AI for that seems like a huge waste of resources, especially given that it's (still) unproven technology. After all, it could fail, or worse, rebel.>None of the top of my head but I am quite sure you can find data on the receeding life expactancy, lowering on IQ, lowering of general health, increase on psychological sickness and so on…
Burden of proof's on you, my friend. Until such a time as I get those sources, I'm afraid I'll have to just flatly disagree.>Really? The world we created with the use of technology
Ladies, ladies! You're both pretty.
A-ha! Joke's on you! That's my fetish.
>>237727>You don't just need cooling but cooling to get as close to 0°K as possible and that is not possible right now for broad use.
Ah gotcha. That is fairly high bar to running it all the time for the average person currently.
>None of the top of my head but I am quite sure you can find data on the receeding life expactancy, lowering on IQ, lowering of general health, increase on psychological sickness and so on…
Those look like effects that (((globalization))) is supposed to have.
One problem is vision problems of the near sighted kind. The electronic device is close at hand less than an arms length away, even in the dark.
Sleep patterns are disrupted leading to all the problems having irregular sleep causes.
It's kind of funny, but with great power comes great responsibility applies to technology. Especially in how the future generation is brought up.
Lowering of IQ is probably from the average lower IQ of invaders, and readjustment each time they decide to test average IQ. It could be from a technological standpoint, but I think other factors are more at hand.
Obesity amplifies the problems both mental, and physical.
>>One, I don't see what this has to do with technology>Really? The world we created with the use of technology and that poisens us has nothing to do technology?
It's always a human problem, and a (((parasite))) problem.
Eventually people are going to have to be self disciplined, scientists, hard working, artists, farmers, nutritionists, soldiers, monks, leaders, saints, adaptable, and morally upstanding to handle the every increasing tide of innovation, comfort, knowledge, and power they will be handed.
If everyone overcame their inner demons that they had to constantly face, the outer challenge of technology, or malice wouldn't be that bad. Maybe…
Stagnation would doom us all eventually.>>237733
Healthy dialog is good to produce the best set of ideas, and possibly synthesize an even better one, or come together on common grounds.
This is some Facebook advice tier shit.
Yet still managed to crack me a smile. Thanks for sharing it.
The technology itself does not worry me. What worries me is the hands in which the technology is in.
It's not facebook tier, it's not even Myspace tier. It's early internet
tier. But that's a good thing in my books.
>>237731>Why, though? I'm really not understanding the thought process here.
If they can sustain themself and alter their own paradigms they simply have no need for humans anymore, what remains of humans other than threat for them? You can only be so happy but absolutely dead. >If the operators had the power to do that, they'd have commissioned armies to do it by that point. Making an AI for that seems like a huge waste of resources, especially given that it's (still) unproven technology. After all, it could fail, or worse, rebel.
Humans can rebell when you tell them to murder anything, they have to somewhat cooperate. If you get a killbot it will kill.
>Burden of proof's on you, my friend. Until such a time as I get those sources, I'm afraid I'll have to just flatly disagree.https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-05-25/western-iqs-drop-14-points-last-century-study-sayshttps://www.stateofobesity.org/obesity-rates-trends-overview/https://acaai.org/news/new-study-suggests-21-percent-increase-childhood-peanut-allergy-2010https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-changing-culture/201510/are-mental-health-issues-the-risehttps://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trendshttps://www.healthcaredive.com/news/life-expectancy-in-the-us-has-decreased-thats-troubling/431984/https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/modern-mentality/201807/what-you-need-know-about-the-loneliness-epidemic
Honestly just take a look around on the web and talk to people in various fields IRL and ask them how things have developed. Things are much more fucked up then you would want to believe.
I don't want to jump into that global warming debate because no matter if it is true it is only a small part of our problems.
The blind and naive use of technology causes severe damage to our eco-system and that will fuck us in the end.https://chestsculpting.com/the-dangers-of-estrogen-in-your-drinking-water/
Even here we got soil-erosion-deserts, there are areas which are so overfished that you can barely find any life at all. Phones are making us fucking dumb and lonely and the kids are getting sicker by the year. The step of technological evolution will concentrate even more power in the hands of a few.
Things are looking bleak and while I like technology I think with more and more potent tools we should be more and more careful.
>If you get a killbot it will kill.
Yeah, at that point there isn't a need to have AI running it.
Let's say someone wanted a robot to only kill specific humans. If it has a decent enough way to detect said human it will shoot them.
Thermal, photographs, electronic signature, ect.
The North Koreans have one it's not that hard. It could be difficult but it didn't need to be.
>If they can sustain themself and alter their own paradigms they simply have no need for humans anymore, what remains of humans other than threat for them? You can only be so happy but absolutely dead.
Very true except if they need to do any actual work.>>237833
That is a massive problem. It stems from people in those corporations not giving a shit, or are actively hostile.
>I don't want to jump into that global warming debate because no matter if it is true it is only a small part of our problems.
Sorry for the misunderstanding friend.>Those look like effects that (((globalization))) is supposed to have.
What I mean by (((globalization))) is the Jews plots, and tricks to undermine society. With a mudslime infestation. Eventually leading to a collapse of society.
A literal physical presence that will wage war on us while the ones behind it all watch.
>Things are looking bleak and while I like technology I think with more and more potent tools we should be more and more careful.
I'd agree you shouldn't let a kid play in a nuclear testing site (a high risk danger area), but I still think the root problem isn't technology. It's people.>It's always a human problem, and a (((parasite))) problem.
Every single problem, for humanity, stems from humanity.
There are very few things that are truly outside our influence of control. The problem of ultimate influence is that we are ignorant of what exactly those actions have, and lead to.
If our ancestors knew about the jewish problem of what they would do in the future. Instead of driving them away they could have eliminated the problem completely at the time.
But they did not know, and guessing that at the time would prove to be near impossible.
I.E. Guns don't kill people. People kill people.
>>237188>problem free environment
The problem there though was that all available areas were already claimed by older generations. It caused all of the newborns to go crazy, to the point that there were no more births. Ever. Even when these maladapted mice were moved to other environments.
Just like tokyo then
This, but unironically.
>>237721>Tech is tools
In this model, tools are being phased out in favour of services. Pretty much any app on your smartphone is just requesting information from remote services. It's basically a collection of very fast mail-order forms.
That's the real problem of tech; people are content leaving their tools to rust, and even actively trade them away for a few funny pictures.
depending on your definition, AI is not gonna happen in our lifetime. Contemporary AI is just multilayer classification+statisitcs, which seem somewhat capable because they have large storage and fast processors.
Furthermore, the whole question of "but what will the serfs do when we can finally replace them with robots" is stupid. It's not gonna happen all at once (if ever), and believe it or not but people can actually direct their own enterprise without having a jew tell them what to do.>>237727>Life expectancy
I'll have you know that Socrates used 100 as the measure of a human life, and put a "man at his prime" until 55. What does that tell you about "modern healthcare"?(And I'm not implying that people then regularly lived to be a 100)>>238269>>240820
Or, you know: Failure should have consequences.
and thus: Welfare bad.
I've always said that fears of automation taking everyone's jobs tend to be overstated. Human greed is limitless - if you can suddenly produce a product for a third the previous price, that means that you should produce three times as many. The positions which didn't get replaced need to be filled with the expansion, and you have a bunch of known quantities right there, most of whom are probably capable of taking on a little more complex work.
don't click it. it's a bot.
What a strange bot!
Talking of bots…. SOON:https://dollforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=83472&start=15
Should I be scared? Think of the increase in never born children. Should child sex dolls be banned? What about animal sex dolls?
Sexbots remove wamen's monopoly on straight sex.
Men turn gay when they get a fetish for acting girly, feel inadequate to be men and sexually satisfy women, get attracted to the men that are genuinely more physically appealing and fit than nearby women, or decide to revel in how wrong licking buttholes and eating shit is, or convince themselves that's normal.
Consequence-free sex didn't destroy the west, women gaining the ability to use consequence-free sex to their advantage AND selectively get their government to enforce "He fell into my trap!" consequences at will destroyed the west.
Why would any man fuck a modern woman when a sexbot is so much better?
Compare a lump of flesh that can't cook or clean or do anything except get fucked sometimes to a lump of artificial flesh that's the same but better because it only costs a one-off payment, will be with you for life/decades, will never bitch at you or say no, and will never betray you.
Women will have to become less shit if they ever want to get men.
Sexbots will save the west.
But only if feminists and globalists are out of power by the time AI-controlled connected-to-cloud Alexa sexbots become a thing.
Is this a bait?
New technology does indeed bring new problems. Cavemen didn't have to worry about nuclear annihilation, and knights didn't have to worry about their sons finding tumblr and becoming trannies. You can argue that the benefits outweigh the dangers, but denying that the dangers exist is being willfully ignorant.
Can't argue with that.
The dynamic man/woman is irreversibly fucked up. And I think, women on duty at baby farms might be the only way to keep the race going.
There is no "artificial intelligence" …As complex and fussed as it can get, it is still a machine, and put someone evil in control, the whole system it created will be evil.
The machine will forever execute a program, and never take any decision or thinking based on a programmed logic, it can not think, only proceed and execute orders from a human.
It's not machines who have decided to exploit facebook's mongols, iphone users, censor twitter, datamine anyone with Amazon, Apple, Google or Microsoft products, it's a bunch of humans.
Artificial intelligence will never exist, never you will have a computer that decides to take over the world, as complex it could be, there cannot be an AI like Skynet that will decide to erase humanity, or an AI that will be able to work as a world government without men on top with malicious intentions.
What Blackstone is today is a bit that, a supercomputing system that can predict and simulate the markets and exchange. The Rothschilds, the ECB, the FED, the banks of the world and the world's economy is built on this, with that tool they can throw any country in the world, any corporation or government into an economic crisis. Not the computer itself, but humans. The computer is true neutral, it takes numbers and do a lot of math.
If a computer like the doomsday machine is programmed to, without the explicit order from a human, lauch a thermonuclear retaliation based on seismometers, radars and everything on its own, there really are programmers who told the machine to do that, and what input will trigger the nuclear fire instead of guys with the hands on the key in a silo, bomber or submarine.
If a computer in china and soon here will detect someone unhappy or a suspect behavior following the input data and the programmed logic, it will trigger then a sequence of things, a «warning» and look on a database to identify that person, the cops now will be informed there is a suspicious guy and he/she will be interrogated, who knows then.
Programming is a mere percent, but is an important part. Having content and databases of any info, any detail, any movement or words is what fuels the big data monsters we have today, it's really just about storing and finding patterns to predict and simulate what people will really do, or what they want to vote for, and in the case of Facebook or Twitter, when you have ads, suggestions, or Google's search result - ever seen ponies in your search results or things you like? - That's exactly this, you are being doxed. You are being manipulated and this is really the biggest danger of technological "progress"
a progress which is a decline, you're not gonna tell me a smartphone is progress versus a proper computer, a real HIFI, a plasma TV, a gaming console or a decent camera. The smartphone is the biggest kind of filth invented by mankind in the 21st century.
have a anon, anon!
it's not the technology that is a problem. We had this technology, internet and computers to communicate, to create, to calculate, to help us think, to store data and memories ( gaming, arts, music, text ) and as a mean for anyone to express themselves.
It's people who decided to turn this technology into complete crap, because the jew told them this is cool to have devices to track them, to analyze them, to exploit them everyday, and brainwash them with fucking social media, put intellectuals and thinkers on the same levels of non-thinking actors with a verified account, negroes and trannies with the IQ of an oyster.
It's a machine that tells you to be a consumer, it's not high tech, even in the eighties these things could have existed. Internet was supposed to destroy the monopoly of television and media as a source of info, it became the same thing.
Look at the faces of people you see on a Twitter or Facebook today.
This is the goal of this technology, empower the tranny, the mongols, a technology that is accessible to anyone if not forced into all, with a stream of dedicated virtue signalling and cultural marxism.
People into propaganda analyzes these people with the big data and provide the most accurate agenda to use them and influence them, this is happening, now.
It overrides the education, and converts population into idiocy and social justice ideals. Cable TVs had V-Chips a while ago to know what people watched in real time, now your shitty phone has a mic and a webcam, and people consent to this.
People are the problem.
I suspect both women and men will ultimately just not need each other when you can have a sex bot be absolutely perfect for you, unlike any human. Children will almost disappear.
Women don't need men and men don't need women in this future world.
>>245167>Children will almost disappear.
Non-whites and other less affluent demographics will still breed true, especially in third-world countries. The dysgenics is real.
Technology isn't dangerous, per say, but the inability to properly handle new issues and social changes may prove detrimental to society. It's important to be aware of new problems that may arise with technological progress.
If there were intelligent life at the bottom of the ocean, they would have declared war on us already for filling their home with plastic.
>>245172>If there were intelligent life at the bottom of the ocean, they would have declared war on us already for filling their home with plastic.>Declare war on us>us
You mean china and india.
>>237126>What do we do when we 30% of the people are unemployed?
rejoice that employment went up 10% from where it is now. the labor force participation rate here in the US is around 60%, I believe its lowest. Immigration did that by the way, not automation.>>240906
While in theory demand should be elastic for such goods, in practice they are not. Eventually you simply have enough paperclips. Likewise population density going up causes people to consume more efficiently, which means that as the population of workers goes up, the number of jobs those workers need to sustain themselves does not rise linearly. When you have 10 families in one home, you only need 1 roofer/electrician/lawn mower/etc for those 10, and think of how long items in your home are idle and unused. Automation is however a red herring in all of this(As businesses invest in labor saving technology, capital, methods of production, and so on only when labor is scarce enough), it is population density plain and simple, and if your country is practicing mass immigration from the 3rd world, or is 3rd world itself, you are fucked.
>>245174>labor force participation
The flood of retiring boomers will lower this.
It absolutely will lower it even further when they retire, since it is a count of everyone vs jobs, but on the subject of some upcoming jobs bonanza, be sceptical.
Everything is dangerous, anything can literally kill you, the most stupid and harmless things.
>>245167>Children will almost disappear
If the worst case scenario of induced voluntary extinction happens, such us the mouse utopia experiment, then the need for White slaves won't disappear, they will be produced by women at baby farms or artificial wombs if available.
I doubt that will be necessary so long as we can restore sane culture. Having grown up in the American South I find it remarkable how many white Christians get married and start families in their early 20's if not right after high school. Compare this to the northeast where I find late twenties/early thirties and smaller family sizes more common. It isn't an inevitable problem and we don't live in microcosms; an analysis of cultures and how they work is always going to be better than aggressive solutions which thwart tradition.
Is the American South the last stronghold of traditional Western values?