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77341 No.237126

Anybody worried about the technological progress?
Currently there are two things that are to be considered to be coming milestones. Quantum computing and AI.
I am far from on expert on the first one but the second one could replace most of the working population. What do we do when we 30% of the people are unemployed? How will it effect the humans and the society as a hole? Currently the richest of the rich need the other people to build cars for them, to clean up the mess, to clean their houses, to produce their food and to produce their electricity but what happens if we get badly tempered surplus population? What about AI drones in the military?
The second issue is the transformation of the society by 5G. With 5G you can transfer data almost in real-time. The PCs and "smart phones" don't need much technology anymore, just enough to receive and send and display data while all the calculation is in the computers of the big corps. This will be an even more drastic shift of power and controll to just a few elements of society.
There are a lot more problems like the dumbing down of the population by technology and the dependency of it for our survival.

What problems do you see and how do you think about the ones stated?

48589 No.237132

>wanting societal problems to be solved
>not enjoying seeing the normies suffering
faggot

7c99f No.237136

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JehxPoS27nU

small scale technology is the future

22684 No.237140

>>237132
psychopath

2f03c No.237171

>>237132
>actually believing that it would be better for the entire world to suffer including yourself, than for people to make the world better for you and everyone you know

39ba5 No.237180

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>>237126
>Anybody worried about the technological progress?
Not even a little bit.
>Quantum computing
It'll definitely cause a huge upset in the computer industry. Cryptography alone will be a brief brick-shitting period of time, and that's not even counting the potential ramifications on blockchains. But we'll adapt to it, like always.
>AI
It's been my experience that most opinions on AI are primarily informed by fiction and anthropomorphization. In other words, people keep projecting human qualities onto something that, while created by humans, is not human. The simple truth of the matter is that you can pour as much thought into it as you want, but you will never know the actual truth of the ramifications until we try it out and see what happens. My money's on it being an awesome development that is >=70% positive for humanity.
>5G
Highly overrated. 5G is very short-range, and has to have lots, and I mean lots, of power hungry cell broadcasters mounted to the top of existing skyscrapers and office buildings. Which means that it's strictly an urban and suburban radio technology. Nobody but city slickers will be able to take advantage of this.
>all the calculation is in the computers of the big corps.
That would be big data and cloud computing. Cloud has more or less stagnated at this point, but big data definitely hasn't. In fact, that's where you'll see the bulk of AI and neural net development happening: to process those enormous quantities of data much faster, more efficiently, and with more accuracy.
>There are a lot more problems like the dumbing down of the population by technology and the dependency of it for our survival.
I'll be honest, this is entirely a generational gap thing. The same arguments for and against new waves of technology are made by each successive generation, typically along the lines of "making things easier/dumber". Radio, TV, and now the Internet is one such example, though it can be extrapolated to other developments. In practice, we always find ways to adapt to the new developments, and we always thwart any attempt to control things more tightly, even if it takes a while for this subversion to trickle down to the wider society.

22684 No.237188

When technology makes us sufficiently free from labours, we will Mouse Utopia ourselves because brains can't cope with problem free environments.

https://youtu.be/5m7X-1V9nOs

2f03c No.237190

>>237188
>will

Lad, we're already at that point. only 1/9th of lads in the UK even believe their lives have been/could be truly happy. Germany, Italy, France, and Canada probably have even lower rates.

39ba5 No.237191

>>237188
>implying there will ever be a problem-free environment

22684 No.237193

>>237190
Agreed. I saw some stats recently that 30% of Gen-Z had no friends according to a survey.

>>237191
Kinda my point. We will make sure we have problems.

2f03c No.237195

>>237193
Unless you call one person who you can't even chat with daily and lives across the country, the extent of whose relationship with you is essentially just sharing memes, porn and roleplaying, a "friend"….well, guess I'm a pretty typical zoomer.

39ba5 No.237198

>>237193
>We will make sure we have problems.
Damn right we will. We can't help but keep our skills sharp. It's something I love about us.

ed592 No.237201

>>237193
I believe that to be a problem with parenting, and proper socialization.
>>236866

>>237195
Yeah, basically this.
Depending on how the made the questionnaire varying results will follow.
>>237198
Yep. Even if we have to manufacture useful problems. Like games, or challenges.
We haven't colonized our solar system yet. It keeps going until all previously fictional possibilities can become true.

39ba5 No.237205

>>237201
>We haven't colonized our solar system yet.
Oh, there's lots to do before that stage happens. There's still a whole 71% of our planet to explore. I firmly believe we won't truly succeed in space until we first succeed in the oceans. There's a much higher chance of meeting intelligent life down there than beyond the Earth, too.

4e756 No.237206

>>237193
True friends are hard to get. The "friend" status usually are reserved for people who you mantain contact with.
This is usually people of your block, but ever since appartments were created, we just accomodate in our rooms.
You can make friends at work, but they live around 2hs away from your house, and if you don't have a car and public transport is crappy/difficult/expensive, you may just stay at home.
Gaming PC is good, but those only last until you change the game next year.
A true true friend is hard to keep as well: new anniversaries, some schedule changes, maybe a shared event or two. And let's not get into lending/asking a few bucks

My last friend I made it on my work. He lived 4 hs from my home, and he didn't had a fixed phone. It was a cellphone with money charges. After I left my job for other, it last a few months and I never heard again from him.

That's life. It takes us to our own paths: we came alone, we meet some people, we share paths, experiences, we wave goodbye, we leave alone.

At least it makes me happy you guys are part from it. Let's see how long we walk together.

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77341 No.237710

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Sorry for the delay but had to take care of some things.

>>237132
Sometimes I wonder what the best path is. Maybe you can't stop some people from running off the cliffs and maybe some need the pain to learn.

>>237136
He is not wrong.

>>237180
I kind of admire your optimism but I don't agree with you.
The thing with quantum computing is more than just encryption. Unless we make MAJOR evolutions in cooling and material science the big corps will be the only ones with access and the true power has yet to be discovered.
You may be right about the AI but you shouldn't dismiss the dangers of it.
The problem with 5G and thin clients is that it gives more and more power to the big companies and makes us more dependent. The power of analitcs and manipulation are ever increasing.
>I'll be honest, this is entirely a generational gap thing.
I couldn't disagree more. Despite having more and more ressources the mental and physical health and the human potential is more and more declining. Talks to doctors, to educators or any other group that deals with humans in general and the upbringing. Our youth is getting sicker by the year.

>>237188
>>237190
>>237193
>>237195
>>237198
>>237206
This bizarro-real world paired with hopelessness and nihilism makes people sick.

>>237206
There is this saying "german friends are hard to get and hard to lose" and I think that is okay. It seems that americans call anyone friend they hung out with for more than five minutes while I still have contact with the people I grew up with and live in other states.

5b1b1 No.237718

>>237710
>He is not wrong.
I like that guy. I'm subbed to him on bitchute myself. He does a lot to sum up how the down-to-earth feel about modern politics, but also has a lot of academic resources to get a little more stuck-in and nuanced with it. And his videos on linux and tech are enlightening too!

ed592 No.237719

http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/humor/bullets.html
Feels like it's needed here.

>>237710
>Unless we make MAJOR evolutions in cooling and material science the big corps will be the only ones with access and the true power has yet to be discovered.
Buying heatpumps for server rooms would work great, but average consumer stuff isn't going to cut it.
Getting a big metal rod, and putting it in a very deep hole can keep cooling the room practically for free after the initial cost of drilling, and the cost of metal.

The biggest problem with quantum computing is reliably mass manufacturing the things for use of the wider population (AKA us). Until it is it will be used by big tec, (((them))), military, and the government.

>Our youth is getting sicker by the year.

Yes, and also it's not quite right. Humans are made to adapt we'll adapt to the new changes, or we will die.
Some people will survive better.

>>237180
> In practice, we always find ways to adapt to the new developments, and we always thwart any attempt to control things more tightly, even if it takes a while for this subversion to trickle down to the wider society.

>AI

I also have high hopes for AI (general automated intelligence).
It could go very wrong very fast, but sadly at this point that might be a good thing.
Not in the kill all humans, but the indifferent calculation of maximizing stamps sort of thing.

39ba5 No.237721

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>>237710
I get the feeling that most of this disagreement stems from a disagreement on what 'technology' itself is. I'll go ahead and get that defined right out of the gate, just to avoid confusion.
Technology, as I understand it, is tools. That's it. Better technology = better tools. There is no distinction in my eyes. Therefore, most fears I encounter about technology are either based in a fear of too rapid of an advancement (a reasonable fear), or what the tools do beyond their prescribed uses (which I consider unreasonable, since they, by definition, would cease to be tools; see AI).
Anywho.

>Unless we make MAJOR evolutions in cooling and material science the big corps will be the only ones with access and the true power has yet to be discovered.

That isn't really a criticism of quantum computing itself, but a criticism of who gets control of the quantum computers. Technology always needs a brief period of investment and risk before it becomes widely adopted, so it makes sense that large entities would be the first to get their hands on it.
If you're afraid of the technology being permanently controlled by a single entity, there's zero chance of that happening for any lengthy period of time. Remember, the Internet started as DARPAnet, something to coordinate military resources only. That didn't last very long. The tech always leaks and gets assimilated by the masses eventually.
>You may be right about the AI but you shouldn't dismiss the dangers of it.
If there is a danger, it will be one manufactured by frightenened humans. AIs will have no reason to start shit with humans unless we give them a reason to. I see symbiosis as the more logical outcome, especially since AIs started as tools of ours, and human fiction loves a good antagonist.
>The problem with 5G and thin clients is that it gives more and more power to the big companies and makes us more dependent.
Again, only in the big cities. Incidentally, you'll notice there's a downward trend of city inhabitants as of late in wealthy countries. If that trend continues, 5G will be even more of a flash in the pan.
>Despite having more and more ressources the mental and physical health and the human potential is more and more declining. Talks to doctors, to educators or any other group that deals with humans in general and the upbringing. Our youth is getting sicker by the year.
Wait, what?
Not gonna lie, this took a turn I wasn't really expecting. One, I don't see what this has to do with technology. And two, I don't agree with your assertion either way; it rather contradicts our historically high access to healthcare and information.
Do you have any sources for these claims?

5b1b1 No.237722

>>237719
I'm not 100% sure on what's going to happen in the future. But I'm split between hoping for a Tracer Tong ending to our modern situation, and hoping that racist computers redpill the masses just enough to get their shit together and recreate Evropa in its former glory with the help of said technology.

Also it's "Artificial General Intelligence."

ed592 No.237724

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>>237722
>Spoiler
Thanks, That's a brainfart on my part.

77341 No.237727

>>237719
You don't just need cooling but cooling to get as close to 0°K as possible and that is not possible right now for broad use.

>>237721
You are right that it is not a criticism of quantum computiing itself but that we are creating more and more powerful tools. The tools are becoming powerful enough to threaten the existance of our entire species and we giving it only to those who don't like humans in general. Also what I wrote to the other anon goes for this too.
>If there is a danger, it will be one manufactured by frightenened humans. AIs will have no reason to start shit with humans unless we give them a reason to. I see symbiosis as the more logical outcome, especially since AIs started as tools of ours, and human fiction loves a good antagonist.
Honestly I think there is a lot wrong with this. If it takes any value in it's own existance it will see humans as a threat. And even if it isn't itself the ones who control it can use it to get rid of undesireables.

>Wait, what?

Not gonna lie, this took a turn I wasn't really expecting. One, I don't see what this has to do with technology. And two, I don't agree with your assertion either way; it rather contradicts our historically high access to healthcare and information.
Do you have any sources for these claims?
None of the top of my head but I am quite sure you can find data on the receeding life expactancy, lowering on IQ, lowering of general health, increase on psychological sickness and so on…
From personal experience working in different fields I can say that things are getting more fucked up by the day.
>One, I don't see what this has to do with technology
Really? The world we created with the use of technology and that poisens us has nothing to do technology?

39ba5 No.237731

>>237727
>If it takes any value in it's own existance it will see humans as a threat.
Why, though? I'm really not understanding the thought process here.
>And even if it isn't itself the ones who control it can use it to get rid of undesireables.
If the operators had the power to do that, they'd have commissioned armies to do it by that point. Making an AI for that seems like a huge waste of resources, especially given that it's (still) unproven technology. After all, it could fail, or worse, rebel.
>None of the top of my head but I am quite sure you can find data on the receeding life expactancy, lowering on IQ, lowering of general health, increase on psychological sickness and so on…
Burden of proof's on you, my friend. Until such a time as I get those sources, I'm afraid I'll have to just flatly disagree.
>Really? The world we created with the use of technology
Huh. Touché.

5b1b1 No.237733

>>237727
>>237731
Ladies, ladies! You're both pretty.

39ba5 No.237735

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5b1b1 No.237737

>>237735
A-ha! Joke's on you! That's my fetish.

ed592 No.237739

>>237727
>You don't just need cooling but cooling to get as close to 0°K as possible and that is not possible right now for broad use.
Ah gotcha. That is fairly high bar to running it all the time for the average person currently.

>None of the top of my head but I am quite sure you can find data on the receeding life expactancy, lowering on IQ, lowering of general health, increase on psychological sickness and so on…

Those look like effects that (((globalization))) is supposed to have.
One problem is vision problems of the near sighted kind. The electronic device is close at hand less than an arms length away, even in the dark.
Sleep patterns are disrupted leading to all the problems having irregular sleep causes.
It's kind of funny, but with great power comes great responsibility applies to technology. Especially in how the future generation is brought up.
Lowering of IQ is probably from the average lower IQ of invaders, and readjustment each time they decide to test average IQ. It could be from a technological standpoint, but I think other factors are more at hand.
Obesity amplifies the problems both mental, and physical.

>>One, I don't see what this has to do with technology

>Really? The world we created with the use of technology and that poisens us has nothing to do technology?
It's always a human problem, and a (((parasite))) problem.
Eventually people are going to have to be self disciplined, scientists, hard working, artists, farmers, nutritionists, soldiers, monks, leaders, saints, adaptable, and morally upstanding to handle the every increasing tide of innovation, comfort, knowledge, and power they will be handed.
If everyone overcame their inner demons that they had to constantly face, the outer challenge of technology, or malice wouldn't be that bad. Maybe…
Stagnation would doom us all eventually.

>>237733
Nice digits.
Healthy dialog is good to produce the best set of ideas, and possibly synthesize an even better one, or come together on common grounds.

4e756 No.237757

>>237719
>http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/humor/bullets.html

This is some Facebook advice tier shit.
Yet still managed to crack me a smile. Thanks for sharing it.

455a8 No.237766

The technology itself does not worry me. What worries me is the hands in which the technology is in.

5b1b1 No.237770

>>237757
It's not facebook tier, it's not even Myspace tier. It's early internet tier. But that's a good thing in my books.

77341 No.237832

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>>237731
>Why, though? I'm really not understanding the thought process here.
If they can sustain themself and alter their own paradigms they simply have no need for humans anymore, what remains of humans other than threat for them? You can only be so happy but absolutely dead.
>If the operators had the power to do that, they'd have commissioned armies to do it by that point. Making an AI for that seems like a huge waste of resources, especially given that it's (still) unproven technology. After all, it could fail, or worse, rebel.
Humans can rebell when you tell them to murder anything, they have to somewhat cooperate. If you get a killbot it will kill.

>Burden of proof's on you, my friend. Until such a time as I get those sources, I'm afraid I'll have to just flatly disagree.

https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-05-25/western-iqs-drop-14-points-last-century-study-says
https://www.stateofobesity.org/obesity-rates-trends-overview/
https://acaai.org/news/new-study-suggests-21-percent-increase-childhood-peanut-allergy-2010
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/our-changing-culture/201510/are-mental-health-issues-the-rise
https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/nationwide-trends
https://www.healthcaredive.com/news/life-expectancy-in-the-us-has-decreased-thats-troubling/431984/
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/modern-mentality/201807/what-you-need-know-about-the-loneliness-epidemic
Honestly just take a look around on the web and talk to people in various fields IRL and ask them how things have developed. Things are much more fucked up then you would want to believe.

77341 No.237833

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>>237739
I don't want to jump into that global warming debate because no matter if it is true it is only a small part of our problems.
The blind and naive use of technology causes severe damage to our eco-system and that will fuck us in the end.

https://chestsculpting.com/the-dangers-of-estrogen-in-your-drinking-water/

Even here we got soil-erosion-deserts, there are areas which are so overfished that you can barely find any life at all. Phones are making us fucking dumb and lonely and the kids are getting sicker by the year. The step of technological evolution will concentrate even more power in the hands of a few.

Things are looking bleak and while I like technology I think with more and more potent tools we should be more and more careful.

ed592 No.237864

>>237832
http://archive.fo/mgdlO
http://archive.fo/dXYq7
http://archive.fo/szeAP
http://archive.fo/9VObY
http://archive.fo/6UoU
http://archive.fo/Uf7yt
http://archive.fo/NPUdA
Archived links.

>If you get a killbot it will kill.

Yeah, at that point there isn't a need to have AI running it.
Let's say someone wanted a robot to only kill specific humans. If it has a decent enough way to detect said human it will shoot them.
Thermal, photographs, electronic signature, ect.
The North Koreans have one it's not that hard. It could be difficult but it didn't need to be.

>If they can sustain themself and alter their own paradigms they simply have no need for humans anymore, what remains of humans other than threat for them? You can only be so happy but absolutely dead.

Very true except if they need to do any actual work.
>>237833

archive.fo/iTCpF
That is a massive problem. It stems from people in those corporations not giving a shit, or are actively hostile.

>I don't want to jump into that global warming debate because no matter if it is true it is only a small part of our problems.

Sorry for the misunderstanding friend.
>Those look like effects that (((globalization))) is supposed to have.
What I mean by (((globalization))) is the Jews plots, and tricks to undermine society. With a mudslime infestation. Eventually leading to a collapse of society.
A literal physical presence that will wage war on us while the ones behind it all watch.

>Things are looking bleak and while I like technology I think with more and more potent tools we should be more and more careful.

I'd agree you shouldn't let a kid play in a nuclear testing site (a high risk danger area), but I still think the root problem isn't technology. It's people.
>It's always a human problem, and a (((parasite))) problem.
Every single problem, for humanity, stems from humanity.
There are very few things that are truly outside our influence of control. The problem of ultimate influence is that we are ignorant of what exactly those actions have, and lead to.

If our ancestors knew about the jewish problem of what they would do in the future. Instead of driving them away they could have eliminated the problem completely at the time.
But they did not know, and guessing that at the time would prove to be near impossible.

I.E. Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

4ff7c No.238012

>>237188
>problem free environment
The problem there though was that all available areas were already claimed by older generations. It caused all of the newborns to go crazy, to the point that there were no more births. Ever. Even when these maladapted mice were moved to other environments.

90f3b No.238249

>>238012
Just like tokyo then

d16fa No.238268

>>237132
This, but unironically.

6645d No.238269

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>>237188
>yfw you realize dictatorships were oppressive not to squeeze labor and utility out of their workerbase, but to make them suffer to give them a sense of purpose



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