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File: 1565180450328.png (19.23 KB, 330x467, zeronet.png)

6205a No.235451[Last 50 Posts]

Whats that zeronet shilling about?
So it's P2P, which means that every user knows the connected IPs of other users that are currently using the site?

345ce No.235461

>>235451
Zeronet isn't TOR. It is where website data is stored on every computer that visits the site, and then the vistor also becomes a hoster of that site. It is torrent for web hosting. If you accidentally see CP on Zeronet you will be hosting CP unless you delete it. The tools allow you to delete any site, any time you like, from your computer.

It is focused on distributing, and therefore making impossible to remove, websites. It isn't focused on user privacy.

Rumour says you can also add TOR to it. Rumour also says this doesn't hide your IP. I don't know what the truth is here.

01818 No.235485

>>235461
A p2p will not hide your ip nor your mac but the idea is breddy gud.
Some tweaks involving privacy and its a great system.

345ce No.235492

If you want to view zeronet on a smaller device whilst having your desktop computer do the hard work you can do:

./zeronet.py --ui_ip <desktop_LAN_IP>

Then you point your smaller device web browser to:

http://<desktop_LAN_IP>:43110/

and for 08chan:

http://<desktop_LAN_IP>:43110/1DdPHedr5Tz55EtQWxqvsbEXPdc4uCVi9D

If you wish <desktop_LAN_IP> can be set to 0.0.0.0 which will just make any IP address on the desktop work.

345ce No.235494

>>235492
Don't forget to consider if you need to firewall any open ports from the wider internet.

9ed33 No.235499

>>235451
>So it's P2P, which means that every user knows the connected IPs of other users that are currently using the site?
Why? It's a honeypot. Stay away.

345ce No.235508

>>235499
A post I saw on 08chan:

>If you post CP, you should be afraid.

>If you are doing something illegal, you should be afraid.
>If you are researching facts regarding the corruption and overthrow of our country, you should be brave, accept the risk, and battle on.

On a side note, some trivia: the port number 43110 is the numeric version of HELLO.

8a044 No.235511

Zeronet isn't tor, but doesn't it run over tor? I thought I read that in the instruction png.

345ce No.235512

>>235511
You can do it, but I have seen it questioned about the effectiveness of the privacy. We need an answer from someone with technical knowledge of its operation.

345ce No.235513

>Is ZeroNet anonymous?

>It's no more anonymous than BitTorrent, but privacy (the possibility to find out who is the owner of the comment/site) will increase as the network and the sites gains more peers.


>ZeroNet is made to work with anonymity networks: you can easily hide your IP using the Tor network

https://zeronet.io/docs/faq/#is-zeronet-anonymous

Zeronet claims you can hide your IP by enabling tor.
If so it is capable of both user privacy and web hosting resilience.

345ce No.235515

>>235513
I think the idea here is.. the primary goal of zeronet was website resilience. Therefore the statement:

>but privacy (the possibility to find out who is the owner of the comment/site) will increase as the network and the sites gains more peers.


Means when 1 million people are hosting your website the traffic has 1/1,000,000th of a chance of coming from the content creator making it hard for the creator to be found (and deplatformed). It's security by obscurity for the website owner or post owner. Its poor security.

When the website hosters add in tor the IP is masked and if it work as stated is as good as tor. If tor is compromised (was made by the US Navy) then it is not secure. If tor isn't compromised, I don't see any evidence that Zeronet can't be secure for both users and website owners.

Which means if you turn on tor it is as good as the internet can be, whatever that means.

d1522 No.235516

File: 1565193104702.png (49.69 KB, 1306x703, zeronet-tor.png)

I looked into it now, so far i know this:
>Anonymity: Full Tor network support with .onion hidden services instead of IPv4 addresses
On windows it ships with tor and it will use tor, the P2P works by tor hidden services, so your real IP isn't visible for other zeronet users.
BUT
Per default, this just applies for Tor network peers, if another user who's on a site where you are doesn't use Tor, he will be connected to you through your real IP and he knows it.
So set that on Always in the zeronet configuration!

Another issue is that a site can link, host or embed stuff that's on the clearnet, which will then not use zeronet and therefore also not go through tor.
This site here uses that: http://127.0.0.1:43110/1Ey8WR7e3quTdPTMZZKDdqw2U6JG3zvkHe

So to fix that, use Tor Browser, set the Tor Browser proxy settings to
>Not use proxy for: 127.0.0.1
Then start zeronet with:
--tor_controller 127.0.0.1:9151 --tor_proxy 127.0.0.1:9150
(this makes zeronet use the tor instance that the Tor Browser is launching)
And browse zeronet with the tor browser.

btw. on linux zeronet does not ship with tor, so don't run it there with the default settings. You either have to setup tor yourself… or use the Tor Browser like said above.

8a044 No.235517

>>235515
>Which means if you turn on tor it is as good as the internet can be, whatever that means.
This right here is the truth. It tor compromised? I really don't know, but assuming the protocol is solid, someone with deep pockets could control a decent number of entry/exit nodes. That said, people who have been busted for crimes commited over tor (silk road, etc) have also been sloppy with their opsec. Or they have been made to appear to be sloppy with opsec.

So, looking at it that way, unless you are super strict about your opsec, you are going to fuck up any way. Were I to do this, I'd have to run it on a dedicated machine that runs nothing else.

8a044 No.235518

>>235516
>btw. on linux zeronet does not ship with tor, so don't run it there with the default settings. You either have to setup tor yourself… or use the Tor Browser like said above
Were I to run this, I'd probably install zeronet on a tails instance.

d1522 No.235519

>>235516
tl;dr
DON'T use zeronet on default settings, especially not on linux.
Use it with Tor browser. Set Tor to Always.

345ce No.235522

Why doesn't ZeroNet have tor by default?

>The ZeroNet interview: will it redesign the internet?


>ZeroNet is a safe harbour for the Internet where the rules are written by the people!

Tarnkappe.info: Hello Tamas! Would you like to introduce yourself to our readers?

Tamas Kocsis: Hi, I’m Tamas, 34 years old, based in Budapest, Hungary and in love with the Internet since the dial-up era. Beside programming I enjoying any activity that has a meaningful end result. In the past years I have used wood/concrete/paper and other materials to design and produce my own furnitures and various objects.

lets cut to the chase

>Tamas Kocsis: Tor speeds are pretty good here, in the EU, but in other parts of the world the situation is not so good. In many country it’s completely blocked. I think its best to let the users decide if they want to hide they IP address or not.

https://tarnkappe.info/the-zeronet-interview-will-it-redesign-the-internet/

In short, tor can be slow, so it is optional.

d1522 No.235525

>>235522
The tor browser support pluggable-transports that can bypass tor traffic filters.
https://2019.www.torproject.org/docs/pluggable-transports.html.en
This is not (yet) supported by zeronet. But if you use Tor Browser and use the Tor instance from it, you can still have pluggable transports.

It's just one more reason why you should use zeronet with tor browser.

345ce No.235528

It makes no sense to me that the Tor browser can make ZeroNet secure. I see that as being like this:

Tor Browser -> 127.0.0.1:43110 -> ZeroNet acting as normal, no Tor.

Using Tor proxy is different:

Normal Browser -> 127.0.0.1:43110 -> privoxy for example -> tor -> internet.


How can a front end tor browser be a backend internet connector?

345ce No.235530

>>235528
Quite likely privoxy is not needed.

8a044 No.235531

>>235528
>How can a front end tor browser be a backend internet connector?
The front end browser for tor isn't even the "backend internet connector" there is a service running in the background that proxies the requests from the browser.

>>235530
Yep, that's an extra step.

d1522 No.235532

>>235528
it's
Tor Browser -> 127.0.0.1:43110 -> tor browsers tor instance (that can run pluggable-transports if you are filtered)
If you set
> --tor_controller 127.0.0.1:9151 --tor_proxy 127.0.0.1:9150

>Normal Browser -> 127.0.0.1:43110 -> privoxy for example -> tor -> internet.

this gives you the security issue that as soon as a zeronet site has some image, embed, link,… that isn't on zeronet will be connected to without tor -> the guy who hosts the image knows who accessed the site and their real IPs

8a044 No.235533

>>235532
>this gives you the security issue that as soon as a zeronet site has some image, embed, link,…
I'm not really sure of that, I'd have to see how the proxy behaves.

93655 No.235535

>>235532
You know, ips change all the time but your ISP has al the info about whatever you're doing anyways.

d1522 No.235536

>>235533
http://127.0.0.1:43110/1Ey8WR7e3quTdPTMZZKDdqw2U6JG3zvkHe
You can use this site to test it. It will show your real IP, even if you have zeronet behind Tor.
(if ublock origin doesn't block it … but ublock can't protect you from some random guy who just hosts a pic and logs IPs on some freehoster and shows it on some zeronet site)

345ce No.235537

>>235531
>>235532
Okay so the tor browser is running a browser and a service and in theory the service runs the backend.

But check this:

>How to use ZeroNet with the Tor browser?

>In Tor mode it is recommended to use ZeroNet from within the Tor Browser:
>Start the Tor Browser
>Go to address about:preferences#advanced
>Click Settings…
>Enter 127.0.0.1 to field No proxy for
>Open http://127.0.0.1:43110 in the browser

To me that reads that 127.0.0.1 is excluded from proxying, including tor proxying.

d1522 No.235539

>>235535
well, on zeronet everyone can post everything without anyone able to remove it and if you access it, you share it with P2P and therefor distribute it to.

The 08ch has now a >/cp/ board.
Click on it -> you now host cp -> someone logs it and reports you to authorities -> the authorities ask your ISP who had that IP at thist time -> rot in jail

We use Tor to not suddenly get into huge problems for getting baited into some honeypot or because some incredible faggot who should die posts cp.

345ce No.235542

>>235532
>>Normal Browser -> 127.0.0.1:43110 -> privoxy for example -> tor -> internet.
this gives you the security issue that as soon as a zeronet site has some image, embed, link,… that isn't on zeronet will be connected to without tor -> the guy who hosts the image knows who accessed the site and their real IPs

You would set the Normal Browser to go through (privoxy->)tor. You would except 127.0.0.1. And then somewhere in zeronet.py you would have that go through tor also. In ZN and out would both go through tor.

d1522 No.235544

>>235537
Exactly, that's what i said here:
>>235516

So the Tor Browser uses Tor for everything thats on the clearnet or an onion link.
The Tor Browser connects directly to zeronet for every zeronet site, and zeronet then runs that through the tor instance of the tor browser.

Zeronet:
Tor Browser -> zeronet -> Tor Browsers own Tor Instance -> other peers
Everything else:
Tor Browser -> Tor Browsers own Tor instance -> hidden service or clearnet site

d1522 No.235545

>>235542
>You would set the Normal Browser to go through (privoxy->)tor. You would except 127.0.0.1. And then somewhere in zeronet.py you would have that go through tor also. In ZN and out would both go through tor.
Which is exactly the same as using Tor Browser. It's the very same setup.
Tor Browser is just an ordinary firefox shipped with some plugins and a tor instance. You just manually copied the Tor Browser setup now.

345ce No.235546

>>235545
Okay, so the remaining difference is Mac/Linux needs to add its own tor service while Windows gets one built into Windows ZeroNet and Tor Browser.

d1522 No.235547

>>235546
Yes

But you can also run Tor Browser on linux, i do that. You can have the Tor Browser setup on every OS (and probably you should too, because using your very own setup fucks you now with browser fingerprinting … but honestly, thats a minor issue, just saying).

d1522 No.235548

Also additional tip for Linux:
Run zeronet as its own user and set an iptable rule to deny every outgoing traffic to non-127.0.0.1 for that user.

d1522 No.235553

Maybe i will write some pastebin on about how to run zeronet on the most easiest way that doesn't get you fucked with leaking your IP.

And then we can expand it from there if we find other issues or easier or better setups

d1522 No.235554

File: 1565196560354.png (7.04 KB, 1035x183, zeronet-tracker.png)

aaand, this has to be changed to Tor to.

d347c No.235653

File: 1565208357735.png (51.18 KB, 755x354, codemonkey.png)

>>235451
Careful faggots, CodeMonkey is not involved.

345ce No.235660

>>235653
I bet it predates this situation. The "chan" software it uses could not have been made so fast. And the culture had a spat in most of the new boards about the invasion. I don't see it being nefarious it is chan peope who liked being unnoticed. But the maker seems to have made it just for this scenario. >>235417

5ae5b No.235662

>>235653
so what? the 8chan faggots work with zog governments and ran fucking sunshine, their endorsement would make this alternative MORE likely to be a bad action.

31821 No.235669

>>235451
Jim Metokur Disavows Zeronet.
"the glow coming off of zeronet is Brighter than Chernobyl."

345ce No.235670

in this thread we watch /mlpol/ get as emotionally reactive as Cloudfare and Trump.

0ed5b No.235672

File: 1565211888546.jpg (8.78 KB, 225x270, Mundane matt face.jpg)

>>235670

emotional reactions will soon be the only erections left

c87b3 No.235675

>>235670
I'm sorry mate, but would you rather have someone cry over the burnt house or start building a new one?

>>235660
I bet zeronet had chans long before 8ch fell, a chan is a really simple thing thus it would not be too hard to set up for fart and giggles.

345ce No.235677

File: 1565212448495.png (635.77 KB, 1280x720, go.png)

>>235675
Only a monster could be so cavalier about this tragedy! It was Twilight's home and what about the books!! Will that knowledge ever be seen again?

d2e15 No.235708

File: 1565216495073.jpeg (77.54 KB, 798x580, e494a9530ba61c59d75d0f472….jpeg)

Q Research on Zeronet is junk and is not very popular or used by many 8Chan refugees.

24e8e No.235717

>>235536
Well, that's a shitty implementation then. Definitely don't use it.

24e8e No.235720

>>235544
Eh, having it be this complicated isn't great. You would think it would access normal sites through tor instead of sending it out clear.

c87b3 No.235725

>>235677
Purplesmart already memorized all the books
suck the knowledge from her brain.
About the tree… F

d1522 No.235786

>>235717
zeronet is not a browser. When you enter an URL in your browser that's not zeronet, you will get to that website without zeronet. If there is an image embedded from an URL that's not zeronet, the browser will get it without zeronet.

It's not an issue that you can fix, it's working as expected.
If you want to see all non-zeronet traffic with tor… you will have to setup your browser to use tor or use Tor Browser in the first place.

d1522 No.235787

>>235720
TorBrowser is a one-click install.
Zeronet is pretty much a one-click install.

Then change one setting in TorBrowser and two settings in zeronet.

It's easy.
The only questionable thing is that those two settings aren't set to always use Tor per default. But >>235522 is a good explaination why they did choose not to.

d1522 No.235790

File: 1565226530437.jpg (89.81 KB, 594x720, zeronet-origin.jpg)

>>235653
08chan is a fork of millchan, which you can find here https://gitgud.io/millchan/Millchan
It apparently got forked one or two years ago by some fag and then it was just running without anybody using it and now suddenly its popular. The fag who did start it is around.

That's the nice thing about decentralization, everybody can just run a fork within a few minutes and has no hosting costs and it just runs.

31821 No.235791

>>235787
>>235790
Tor is compromised.

345ce No.235792

>>235791
Citation needed.

d1522 No.235793

>>235791
Not more compromised than every single VPN provider out there (with the most popular once being from one single Israeli company)… or your ISP.
Or of course cloudflare, which is serving your traffic to pretty much every site out there.

THe only thing thats less compromised than tor is to not use the Internet at all.

345ce No.235794

File: 1565226972350.png (118.41 KB, 397x178, nature.png)

>>235790
Thanks anon.

d1522 No.235804

File: 1565230159165.png (126.35 KB, 512x1132, zeronet.png)

Opinion on this one?

b8328 No.235816

>>235792
>Citation needed.
No need, it is just plain logic considering the almost inexhaustible means the adversary has, such us to plant a lot of nodes to catch as much traffic as possible for analysis.
The incredible speed that most fags have, for example to watch videos on TOR, wasn't available years ago, meaning that some relays have been planted and oiled to increase it and to be more friendly to potential users. It is my understanding that if every user is a TOR relay, then I would be downloading as much as uploading, however and incredibly that is not the case, 98% of my traffic is downloading, meaning that there are plenty of idle relays with incredible capacity to carry that traffic, not something that the average Joe will do.

6205a No.235826

>>235816
Tor exit nodes are not some average user on a PC. It's someone using a VPS from his company or some university that joined the fun when the Snowden stuff was going on and everybody was looking into privacy. Or glowniggers.

4fbdc No.235829

So tor is botnet and zeronet puts cp on your hard drive. I2Pchan when?

ab627 No.235831

>>235829
>tor is botnet
kinda, facts suggest that, but there isn't concrete proof, yet.
>zeronet puts cp on your hard drive
it might, but only if you accessed that material. Anyways, without a mod to enforce order, it is fair game for anyone.

cf300 No.235855

>>235831
Here's what would be my fear with a zeronet imageboard.
>CIAnigger uploads CP
>zeronet client automatically downloads it
>zeronet client automatically sends out your IP to everyone else on the site
>CIAnigger has your IP downloading his CP
>CIAnigger vans you for unintentionally downloading his CP
Hell, even if CIAniggers didn't do it, without mods it would only be a matter of time before actual pedos showed up and made the place unusable.

345ce No.235859

>>235804
Good job, you might want to indicate that those are Windows instructions or add in the Linux/Mac needs to install TOR.

94a64 No.235866

>>235855
You could like just delete it and keep a microwave close to your PC, just in case

345ce No.235893

>>235855
I've noticed something that mitigates the CP attack vector to a large degree. Next to the post number on 08chan is a: [M]
Clicking this mutes that poster and deletes the content of the posts from your version of the site stored on your PC.

So basically you are running your copy of 08chan. You are your own "board owner" and you delete uploaded CP as part of your normal responsibilities.
Parts of the board you never look at never end up on your PC and so you have no concerns abot what happens elsewhere.

No one will successfully charge you for deleting unrequested CP (unless they lie, and if the lie you were already screwed anyway.)

345ce No.235896

Another quality of the site is that you do automatically host the image thumbnails but not the expanded image. It is possible for a non-expanded image to no longer exist because the original poster is not online and no one who is online has the expanded image stored.

345ce No.235993

Unverified claim:

For your awareness
Been digging into the files ZeroNet stores on your machine.
I'm not seeing any image files unless you seed as others have noted.
However, the FYI: The millchan.db file is an SQLite database which does store non-image text of posts of All boards, even those you mute and those you've never clicked. Investigate for yourselves. Might be platform specific.

345ce No.236232

File: 1565380951800.png (546.47 KB, 1280x509, 5e71b24e25176ff6ed093cd70e….png)

Flooding attacks on 08chan.

c85c9 No.236365

>>236232
As expected. ZOG servants are busy earning those shekels.

46c02 No.236645

File: 1565459192820.png (53.43 KB, 408x351, 918235.png)


345ce No.238888

File: 1566174695116.png (82.77 KB, 960x1280, 08chan.png)

08/pol/ apparently have set up a site to explain how to get to 08chan.

https://08ch.net/

c85c9 No.238892

File: 1566176147025.png (886.77 KB, 720x720, rarity_stained_glass_by_ak….png)

>>238888
Can't argue with those quads.

9ec5f No.238899

>>238888
>Of course not, fellow anonymous posters
Stopped reading right there

e26af No.238903

>>235791
>>235816
>da joos r ebree wer, gib up goym!

e26af No.238904

>>235829
>So tor is botnet and computers put cp on your hard drive
This guy gets it, it's over we lost.

c85c9 No.238905

File: 1566183414596.jpeg (159.65 KB, 1191x670, all_power_to_photon_torpe….jpeg)

>>238903
>gib up goym!
Not at all. But to make a realistic assessment of the pros and cons is a must.
Granted, for any the adversary, the Tor network is a headache, but not quite if that adversary owns the infrastructure routing the traffic.
The conclusion might be that using clearnet or not, no one is 100% safe. So, make your shitposting smart and within the bounds of plausible deniability when needed. Use your White IQ to find out where those bounds are.

c0a8d No.239006

>>238899
>what is irony

44eb6 No.239008

>>238899
Checked those double dubs.

823bd No.239023

>>238904
An other baguette fag! I don't feel alone anymore.

345ce No.239043

08chan has sexy new software.

c8a4b No.239044

>>239043
What kind of new software? How recently, like just now or just since the 08/pol/ infographic was made? Any details you know of?

345ce No.239054

>>239044
I noticed it changed within the last few hours. Could have happened up to half a day ago. Looks like an upgrade of millchan software. Round buttons, glowy text, drop boxes to mute boards. Looks like they are still bashing bugs.

c8a4b No.239061

>>239054
Well, it's nice to have an intuitive and comfy looking exterior, but I think what makes the chans great is the sort of basic and old-timey structure they work by. It's basically just a bulletin board without mandatory usernames or persistent identities. I like that about the chans because it's not "accessible" to normies who would otherwise not understand the sites or their cultures anyway.

Plus minimalism is pretty absurd sometimes. Vid related.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiJiT6cY5bY

I wanna go back to the days when minimalism was an artistic decision in media like cartoons and games instead of an overwhelming wave in big tech.

7478c No.239063

File: 1566271441739.png (227.96 KB, 790x425, You have cancer.png)

>>239061
>chans
>normies
Dear fucking lord, this post is pure cancer.

c8a4b No.239064

>>239063
>using the term chan to describe imageboards is cancer
>acknowledging that most people aren't avid enough computer users to use sites like 4/8/08/nein/mlpol due to their mildly outdated layouts is cancer

7478c No.239067

File: 1566272242605-0.png (95.4 KB, 1584x474, Destruction of Language.png)

File: 1566272242605-1.jpg (4.84 MB, 1799x5330, Language and Thought - Dic….jpg)

File: 1566272242605-2.png (88.17 KB, 294x697, Suffocating him.png)

>>239064
>using niggerspeak when referencing an established term is cancer
>Using Leddit terms when refering to normalfags is cancer
Any questions?

345ce No.239068

If people on chans get bored, do they mouse utopia themselves?

c8a4b No.239069

>>239067
Yes. Why are you posting about non-internet-culture words like "zealous" and "racism" when justifying your spergery over mild differences in language? I didn't get the word normie from leddit. In fact, I don't even have a leddit account at all. I used one exclusively for a tech support sub and then immediately deleted my account the moment my problem was fixed. I got the word, ironically, from 4chan in 2015. So, ha.

>>239068
The past three posts before yours should be sufficient evidence that yes, yes they do.

7478c No.239075

File: 1566275459823.jpg (1.29 MB, 1646x6805, 4chan is dead.jpg)

>>239069
>I got the word, ironically, from 4chan in 2015. So, ha.
So, you're still using a word that came from a Gook honeypot. That's very smart of you.

345ce No.239077

File: 1566275751046.jpg (31.13 KB, 600x470, itstime.jpg)


c8a4b No.239078

>>239075
So does that mean you would like to give up algebra because it was made by Muslims and we're all anti-Sharia? Because that's the reasoning I'm getting here.

7478c No.239081

>>239078
How did you even arrive to that? I'm just going after because you're using the politically correct term for a word that we already have and have never had a problem using, and using another word that was only derived because fags don't know anything about the history of the internet prior to Kikebook and Twatter.

345ce No.239084

File: 1566276891505.jpg (121.62 KB, 438x350, Internet-police.jpg)


7478c No.239085

File: 1566277880217.pdf (1.46 MB, A Short History Of The Wor….pdf)

>>239078
Also, just realized something:
>algebra because it was made by Muslims
Are you being retarded on purpose or is this your natural state?

c8a4b No.239093

>>239085
>what the fuck is this? That's way too much reading for a short shit-flinging contest on /mlpol/
>hmm, let's ctrl+f "algebra"
>2 results

result 1, with context included:
>The clumsy Roman numerals were ousted by the Arabic figures we use to this day and the zero sign was first employed. The very name algebra is Arabic.
result 2, with context included:
>He gathered Jewish and Moslem as well as Christian philosophers at his court, and he did much to irrigate the Italian mind with Saracenic influences. Through him the Arabic numerals and algebra were introduced to Christian students, and among other philosophers at his court was Michael Scott, who translated portions of Aristotle and the commentaries thereon of the great Arab philosopher Averroes (of Cordoba).

Is….is this actually an attempt at debunking the claim, or are you just really inept at reading?

c8a4b No.239135

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7478c No.239146

>>239093
First, the number "0" came from India. Second, are you seriously trying to tell me that, prior to the 7th century, no society on Earth had ever created a system of trade and commerce, architecture and craftsmanship, or even made any studies into scientific advancement?

>>239135
You do know that people sleep, right?

c8a4b No.239210

>>239146
I'm just pointing out that you sent me that .pdf as a smug QED against the notion that the Muslims created algebra, because you have a vendetta against using a word that the undesirables use for the sole reason that those undesirables use it.

c8a4b No.239218

>>239146
Side note: I didn't claim no society on Earth ever had trade, commerce, architecture, OR craftsmanship. All I said was that Muslims created algebra. Far as I understand it, that is the case. Doesn't make them the first or only people to understand math. But the file YOU SENT apparently believes that Muslims not only created algebra, but they invented the 0 in the form it's used in math today. And you sent that file, accompanied with incredulity at my own much less radical claim.

My point in bringing up algebra was that a group of people we don't like happen to have created it, which is the exact reason you hate the word normie. Were we not on a /pol/ board already sympathetic to the national socialists, I'd stick to using lung cancer research and the forty hour workweek as examples of this mindset being retarded.

Speaking of retarded, this entire argument is a nothingburger of the highest order. This isn't like a series of political power words used against us. This isn't like some kind of word with such a hugely divergent meaning that it muddies discussion relating to it massively. No, normalfag and normie are the same exact word. The only difference is that the word normie is more popular outside imageboards, because you usually have to dance around the word faggot in daily conversation anywhere else.

Before you even start with the whinging and moaning again, that's what we call actual discourse. We try to meet in the middle ground, put a little honey on the medicine as we administer it to the lemmings. Not everyone can play Johnny Rebel music around coworkers or friends and complain about kikes, much less in fucking California, without getting in trouble.

0c191 No.239259

File: 1566345515229.png (1.14 MB, 2770x1232, Country Club Mentality (An….png)

>>239210
>>239218
>All I said was that Muslims created algebra.
Yeah, as in the word "algebra", giving them credit for mathematics because of that reason is the equivalent of saying that the Muslims created sugar because the English word is derived from the Arabic word "sukkar". Also, the source I provided also said, a few paragraphs earlier:
>In Persia this fresh excited Arabic mind came into contact not only with Manichaean, Zoroastrian and Christian doctrine, but with the scientific Greek literature, preserved not only in Greek but in Syrian translations. It found Greek learning in Egypt also. Everywhere, and particularly in Spain, it discovered an active Jewish tradition of speculation and discussion. In Central Asia it met Buddhism and the material achievements of Chinese civilization. It learnt the manufacture of paper-which made printed books possible-from the Chinese. And finally it came into touch with Indian mathematics and philosophy.
So, if you actually read it, the ONLY thing the mudslimes actually did was just "disperse the knowledge" (That already existed, and was "lost" due to the burning of Alexandria) and gave it the modern name.
>My point in bringing up algebra was that a group of people we don't like happen to have created it, which is the exact reason you hate the word normie.
Except the word "normalfag" already existed, and was perfectly acceptable termage online until sites started becoming more PC.
>Were we not on a /pol/ board already sympathetic to the national socialists
GET OUT since it's pretty clear that you don't actually understand how it is that /pol/ thinks. You might as well consider /pol/ a Muslim board, by your logic, since they do share some "sympathies" with the sandnigger religion and it's beliefs.
>This isn't like a series of political power words used against us. This isn't like some kind of word with such a hugely divergent meaning that it muddies discussion relating to it massively. No, normalfag and normie are the same exact word. The only difference is that the word normie is more popular outside imageboards, because you usually have to dance around the word faggot in daily conversation anywhere else.
So, there is nothing political about using the word "normalfag", but you refuse to use the word normalfag due to political reasons, so you have to use the politically correct version of the word (Even in a place where you don't have to dance around political correctness)? Please explain to me the logic behind this; why you're defending it; and how it is that "this isn't effecting my thinking" when you're using a word that NO ONE uses on imageboards unless their a newfag, a shill, or a plant?
>We try to meet in the middle ground, put a little honey on the medicine as we administer it to the lemmings
Not here we don't. If you come to this place, you better damn well expect to act and speak a certain way. Lowering those standards to make ourselves more "marketable" does nothing except destroy a community. The basic fact that the news media is still reeling about a site that is offline should tell you that /pol/ already had more than enough influence acting they way they were: https://archive.fo/MCWao
>The Jewish Community Has A Big Stake In The 8chan Debate

c8a4b No.239260

>>239259
>making 8chan more marketable
You're putting words in my mouth here. I'm talking about the ideas, not the site/s. I know that the SITE doesn't appeal. That's why I explicitly mentioned that the sites' old fashioned layout and anonymity were a big part of what made them good in the original post that sparked this shit flinging contest. Not like you read it. You just wanted someone to bitch at about normalfags. I'm talking about the spread of the ideas, not the sites themselves. I didn't REFUSE to use the word, I just used the word normie once, prompting this entire stupid argument. You're the only one who refuses to do things.

I agree with the death of imageboard culture and the eternal september. I agree that normalfags should fucking hang themselves instead of infesting the site. WE AGREE, YOU OBTUSE SHITHEAD.

0c191 No.239262

>>239260
>You just wanted someone to bitch at about normalfags.
No, I actually get tired of people bitching about normalfags because human nature hasn't changed one damn bit in the past 8000+ years that we have on record, but Anons still complain about normalfags and their behavior (Their cancerous hoard mindset; how it is that they don't care about issues snowballing out of control when there's evidence of it happening EVERY SINGLE TIME; and seriously expecting majority of people to actually do something when their future, their family's future, and their descendants future hang in the balance) like it's something new.

345ce No.239278

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0c191 No.239293

THIS IS IMPORTANT IN REGARDS TO USING 08!
Make sure that you're loading the site primarily on Tor. While you will be able to "use" the site (To varying degrees of success) with other browsers, Acid and the fags updating site's code are making it a priority that 08 is compatible with Tor first and foremost.

345ce No.239388

File: 1566439865158.jpg (1.11 MB, 974x1200, USArmyTorI2PVPNCrypto.jpg)


c8a4b No.239389

>>239388
Thanks germanon. Yeah, Tor was originally created by navy techies, and their exit nodes are either from the military or those who helped prop the network up independently. But since it's such an expensive and technical endeavor, very few of those nodes are privately owned. In other words, the navy still knows what you're doing to some extent, when using Tor. I don't know about I2P's level of compromise, but I do know that Tor's pretty much another clearnet at this point.

0c191 No.239407

File: 1566449715561.jpg (39.61 KB, 382x491, proofs.jpg)

>>239388
>Image of a document dated on 2017
>Article linked is from 2014
>Article linked makes no mention of Tor, I2P, or VPN
>No source to said image
Until you provide a source to that image, it's bullshit. The only thing that's confirmed is that the U.S. Army is seeking control of the internet (Like every other country in the world).

>>239389
>I do know that Tor's pretty much another clearnet at this point.
Is Tor more or less secure than any other browser on the market? If more, wouldn't it be better to use Tor for my browser needs than if I just used any other browser? Also, if Tor really is compromised (Beyond the just fags developing it being a bunch of baizuo), why hasn't anyone forked it? I thought the entire point of FOSS was to prevent this from happening.

345ce No.239418

>>239407
The docuemtn seems to be a leak. Therefore no source. The link is to show that the brigade exists. Beyond that we all get to believe whatever we want.

c8a4b No.239450

>>239407
Honestly man, I'm no enthusiast. I should be, but sometimes apathy just kills any motivation to learn and secure myself. I use Brave and Firefox/Waterfox, with Cyberghost VPN as a security measure.

6fd68 No.239453

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>>239067
While you're not wrong about usage of language (well, I mean, your images aren't wrong), "normie" isn't "reddit" you fucking cancerfag. It comes from /r9k/, and is grouped with "roasties" and "tendies", and all were as a result of the "literal manchild" jokes (though maybe not roastie necessarily, it was popularized then).
Reddit adopted it because the jokes had gotten popular enough to enter their sphere (the usage of Pepe despite him being normalfag'd did not help), and it's been long enough now where either FUCKING MONGOLOIDS WITH THE MEMORY SPAN OF GOLDFISH AND/OR COMPLETE FUCKING NEWFAGS LIKE YOU THINK IT ORIGINATED FROM PLEBBIT.
DIE
IN
A
FIRE

0c191 No.239455

>>239418
Then you should be aware that leaks CAN be faked. It happens more than often enough in relation gaming, so why would it be that much of a stretch to fake a leak of an "official government document". However, with that being said, it does go to show that our options are very limited. Supposing that Tor and VPNs are compromised, where are people suppose to go next? Those two options are the "last line of defense" for the internet meaning that once/if they lose ground, then it's all over because no one is offering any alternatives to replace/complement them is anything does happen. Although, none of this should be happening in the first place because a lot of the dataming and surveillance that these companies and the government are forcing down everyone's throats is illegal and unconstitutional in the first place. And, the only reason why they get away with it is because the public doesn't know, nor care, about their rights.

>>239450
That's understandable because I'm in the same boat. I should be practicing better OPSEC myself, but, after a certain point, you just tend don't care about it because it becomes such a hassle.

>>239453
>Reddit adopted it because the jokes had gotten popular enough to enter their sphere (the usage of Pepe despite him being normalfag'd did not help)
"Normie" has been around much longer than that. Some Anons were finding a Family Guy episode from way back in 2004/2005 that used the word. Leddit also started up back in 2005. /r9k/ didn't exist until 2008.

0c191 No.240609

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4faa7 No.240611

>>239453
Regardless of the origins of the word, people who say "normie" nowadays are usually normalfaggots who are too PC to say the "fag" in "normalfag". With every vapid redditor and facebook-user on the planet calling everything they don't like "normie", people who aren't faggots will gravitate toward "normalfag" to disassociate with the undesirables.


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