ELECTIONS EDITION
After the budget of the current socialist government was rejected by the Basques earlier this February, the government had no choice but to call for elections
The election will take place on the 28th of April this Sunday
The parties running for office are the following:
PP - Popular Party
>Main left wing party, corrupt turbo-kikes, did absolutely nothing after being given an absolute majority for 4 years, financed all the Catalan shitstorm 2 years ago, destroyed unemployment at a record rate (at the time) likes to raise taxes
The president was removed through a no confidence vote last June
PSOE - Spanish Socialist Workers Party
>Main left wing party, corrupt turbo-socialist-kikes currently in power, love immigration to the point of begging other countries to give us the immigrants they don't want, has raise the debt to GDP ratio by 7% in just 10 months in government, has a record creation of public employment (aka giving people well paid jobs in useless institutions so they vote for us), plans to give pardon to the Catalans on trial the moment sentence is given, likes to use private jets to go to private music concerts, has had a few secret meetings with Soros
C's - Citizens
>Soros's envoy, thinks he's Macron, commonly referred to as the weather vane party because of how fast it changes its political positions and programs, is willing to make a government coalition with anybody and bend over just to get seats in government
P's - UNIDAS PODEMAS
>Think of Maduro but with less dignity and more filthy, wants to turn Spain into Venezuela, rallies under every flag possible to gather all small identities under his movement: feminism, faggotry, Catalan separatism, Basque separatism, and recently even Canary separatism, advocates to reform the law to allow any province to secede
VOX
>"Alternative Right" party in Spain, anti-abortion, anti-legal-feminist-shenannigans, anti-illegal-immigration, actually has a decent idea on how to lower taxes, only party willing to CUT SOMETHING from the Frankenstein social programs, wants to increase gun ownership
>loves Israel, is not really anti-EU, and wants to increase South American immigration
This election has quite a selection of individuals running for office
Bullfighters, mourning parents, popular news reporters, generals from the age of Franco, TV economist and businessmen, turncoats, sport stars, the previous French Prime minister, astronauts, and even politicians running the campaign from the prison
The campaign from each party has been pretty lackluster, with the only one doing a decent job was the socialist and his strategy of "let's create a gazillion more public jobs to suck off of the state tit so they vote for us to guarantee they keep their job" is the only one who's realistically going to get any votes from its actions
VOX's campaign has been pretty lackluster as well, but its has the advantage of having the most dedicated followers in the entire country that eventually gets beaten up by feminist, separatist and other anti-spanish groups, not to mention the media has pretty much made them the political campaign since they have been mentioned non-stop
On the election results, the less politicized polls give a prediction like this
PSOE: 86
PP: 81
VOX: 70
C's: 50
P's: 32
Others: 31
Some seats up some seats down
With a necessity of 176 seats to form a government, a coalition is expected, probably PSOE-C's Secessionist
There's also the chance that no government can be created and we have to repeat elections
Whichever result we end up with, the surge of VOX in the government from 0 to a significant portion, Spain will definitely have a change in morale after seeing a large portion of the country support the same ideas they do, since there has been basically zero support for a more politically incorrect perspective for a few decades now
Even VOX betrays its program like I'm expecting them too the shift in paradigm cannot be stopped anymore
/mlpol/ - My Little Politics
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CURRENT SPAIN
For more clarification on what Spain is like today, the following text of wall is a summary of the important details of the current political and economic situation of the country
Despite neither the media nor the politicians even mentioning it (discussions about the economy were completely absent during the debates) is still relevant to understand what is going on, and how it affecting and will affect the rest of the EU, since they are paying for all of this circus
The Autonomic state model
After the death of the General Franco the transition to democracy was done under a constitution that divided Spain in 17 pieces made out of autonomous communities where each acts pretty much as its own independent nation
Each province has a full fledged government infrastructure, that has from parliaments and senates to even dozens of embassies to foreign countries per province
This state model gives the different provinces of Spain more autonomy in regards to the central state than the different member states of the European Union have to the EU commission
There are people specifically hired to create endless rules and regulations, and it has reached the point where it is easier and cheaper for a business in Madrid to expand to France in the bureaucratic nightmare that is the EU than to move to another province of Spain
Spain has more than 3.2 million public employees, roughly 2 million of those were selected for their job by politicians without any real checking or qualifications, think of it as giving a job to your family member
The estimated waste in spending from useless public employees, extra politicians and duplicated institutions between provinces and within the provinces themselves (and its subsequent institutions created to communicate these 2 incompatible infrastructures that serve the same purpose) is estimated at 100k million € or 10% of the Spanish GDP
36k million of these go to duplicated administration organisms used to give jobs to their families and friends
All the councilors from any town hall in the country have a personal official car and an official chauffeur (who is also overpaid)
In Spain the salary of a public job is roughly 50% higher than a private job
As far as I know, this is only the case in countries such as Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, and to a lesser degree in Luxembourg
Apart from the duplicated administrative organism, they also have created public companies, observatories, consortium and other types of money leeches, with ~10k all around Spain that, unlike the duplicated ones, that still provide a somewhat useful service, these are just to get people to suck the public tit
Some examples include public companies such as "public company of water", "public school observatory", "public tunnel observatory", "climate change observatory", etc.
Except for politicians, all these jobs are live long jobs that are not revised at x number of years
In a more centralized country, such as France, the expense from the provinces is roughly a 1/3rd of all expense, whereas in Spain is 2/3rds
A province in Spain such as Catalonia has a budget of more 60k million €
For reference, the cost of the army, police, ministries, government, etc. by the centralized state is around 30k million €
You can sort of imagine the public sector in Spain as an amalgamation of public companies orbiting around regional government and town halls
Special mention goes to the Basque economic agreement, that dates from the XIX century, that gives the Basques and Navarra a special fiscal regime that cost 14k million € to the Spanish taxpayer
This comes from the difference of what they should be paying if they had the same fiscal regime as the rest of Spain plus, as well as
Whenever a product manufactured in the Basque region is sold within the National territory, the money acquired trough taxes do not go to the national treasure, but the Basque government, and they later return a minimal amount of said money to the national treasure
Another special mention is Healthcare, which was given from the central government to the regional provinces to handle, which has almost duplicated the cost and reduced its quality.
The waiting lists can easily reach 1 year from the moment you ask for anything, quality has decreased since many people were put there without any qualifications, and some not even in medical positions
The Hospital in Madrid Gregorio Marañón has 500 people working in the kitchen, 10 times the amount of what other hospitals of similar size have, with around 35h a week
Another example, the biggest hospital of Valencia, La Fé de Valencia, has 120 phone receptionist
And from La Fé de Valencia as well, the entire hospital was rebuild from scratch, and they made 4 big building blocks, carried by the president of the football club Madrid no less, from which they're only using 2 and a half, and these only work during the morning, and when they had to get new equipment for the new infrastructure, all the existing material from the old hospital was discarded, or given or sold to someone else, and they bought everything new (because the cut they got from the money was fantastic)
The systems of the different healthcare institutions of different provinces are of course non-compatible, so, if you go from one province to another, the medical personnel won't know what vaccine to give to a child because they cannot even access to check what vaccines has the child received so far
Or another case, if a medic gives prescription and you go to another province the recipe is worthless.
For more clarification on what Spain is like today, the following text of wall is a summary of the important details of the current political and economic situation of the country
Despite neither the media nor the politicians even mentioning it (discussions about the economy were completely absent during the debates) is still relevant to understand what is going on, and how it affecting and will affect the rest of the EU, since they are paying for all of this circus
The Autonomic state model
After the death of the General Franco the transition to democracy was done under a constitution that divided Spain in 17 pieces made out of autonomous communities where each acts pretty much as its own independent nation
Each province has a full fledged government infrastructure, that has from parliaments and senates to even dozens of embassies to foreign countries per province
This state model gives the different provinces of Spain more autonomy in regards to the central state than the different member states of the European Union have to the EU commission
There are people specifically hired to create endless rules and regulations, and it has reached the point where it is easier and cheaper for a business in Madrid to expand to France in the bureaucratic nightmare that is the EU than to move to another province of Spain
Spain has more than 3.2 million public employees, roughly 2 million of those were selected for their job by politicians without any real checking or qualifications, think of it as giving a job to your family member
The estimated waste in spending from useless public employees, extra politicians and duplicated institutions between provinces and within the provinces themselves (and its subsequent institutions created to communicate these 2 incompatible infrastructures that serve the same purpose) is estimated at 100k million € or 10% of the Spanish GDP
36k million of these go to duplicated administration organisms used to give jobs to their families and friends
All the councilors from any town hall in the country have a personal official car and an official chauffeur (who is also overpaid)
In Spain the salary of a public job is roughly 50% higher than a private job
As far as I know, this is only the case in countries such as Venezuela, Cuba, North Korea, and to a lesser degree in Luxembourg
Apart from the duplicated administrative organism, they also have created public companies, observatories, consortium and other types of money leeches, with ~10k all around Spain that, unlike the duplicated ones, that still provide a somewhat useful service, these are just to get people to suck the public tit
Some examples include public companies such as "public company of water", "public school observatory", "public tunnel observatory", "climate change observatory", etc.
Except for politicians, all these jobs are live long jobs that are not revised at x number of years
In a more centralized country, such as France, the expense from the provinces is roughly a 1/3rd of all expense, whereas in Spain is 2/3rds
A province in Spain such as Catalonia has a budget of more 60k million €
For reference, the cost of the army, police, ministries, government, etc. by the centralized state is around 30k million €
You can sort of imagine the public sector in Spain as an amalgamation of public companies orbiting around regional government and town halls
Special mention goes to the Basque economic agreement, that dates from the XIX century, that gives the Basques and Navarra a special fiscal regime that cost 14k million € to the Spanish taxpayer
This comes from the difference of what they should be paying if they had the same fiscal regime as the rest of Spain plus, as well as
Whenever a product manufactured in the Basque region is sold within the National territory, the money acquired trough taxes do not go to the national treasure, but the Basque government, and they later return a minimal amount of said money to the national treasure
Another special mention is Healthcare, which was given from the central government to the regional provinces to handle, which has almost duplicated the cost and reduced its quality.
The waiting lists can easily reach 1 year from the moment you ask for anything, quality has decreased since many people were put there without any qualifications, and some not even in medical positions
The Hospital in Madrid Gregorio Marañón has 500 people working in the kitchen, 10 times the amount of what other hospitals of similar size have, with around 35h a week
Another example, the biggest hospital of Valencia, La Fé de Valencia, has 120 phone receptionist
And from La Fé de Valencia as well, the entire hospital was rebuild from scratch, and they made 4 big building blocks, carried by the president of the football club Madrid no less, from which they're only using 2 and a half, and these only work during the morning, and when they had to get new equipment for the new infrastructure, all the existing material from the old hospital was discarded, or given or sold to someone else, and they bought everything new (because the cut they got from the money was fantastic)
The systems of the different healthcare institutions of different provinces are of course non-compatible, so, if you go from one province to another, the medical personnel won't know what vaccine to give to a child because they cannot even access to check what vaccines has the child received so far
Or another case, if a medic gives prescription and you go to another province the recipe is worthless.
>>219464
Political System
One important thing to note about the Spanish political system is that the members of the parliament, the senate, and the like, do not represent the electors, but the leader of the party that puts them in a list
Members of the party will always vote to what the leader of the political party says, who's the one who writes the list
If they are put high on the list the change they get selected goes up significantly
So to a certain extent, the legislative power is, while not directly, pretty much subservient to the judicial power in Spain
Then the members of the constitutional tribunal are selected by the political party, which makes the judicial power also subservient to the executive
EU
>1986
>mr President Felipe Golanzes
>OMG GUYS, WE HAVE TO JOIN THE EU
>WE HAVE TO JOIN THE EU NO MATTER WHAT
>WE HAVE TO JOIN RIGHT NOW
>"okay, but you can only join the EU if you dismantle and sell all your infrastructure because we don't want you competing with France and Germany"
>OMG YES PLEASE LET ME SIGN
>"mr. president, maybe we should renegociate for a b-"
>signs
>PEOPLE OF SPAIN, TODAY IS A NEW AGE FOR SPAIN
>WE'RE GONNA SELL ORANGES TO REST OF EUROPE
>WE'RE GONNA BE SO FILTHY RICH
>YOU GUYS HAVE NO IDEA
>Meanwhile, Germany decides it wants to expand its car industry
>Morocco wants to buy German cars and sell oranges to Europe
>deal
Now everyone in Europe buys oranges from Morocco and Germany gets to sell cars and be rich
And they all lived happily every after
Political System
One important thing to note about the Spanish political system is that the members of the parliament, the senate, and the like, do not represent the electors, but the leader of the party that puts them in a list
Members of the party will always vote to what the leader of the political party says, who's the one who writes the list
If they are put high on the list the change they get selected goes up significantly
So to a certain extent, the legislative power is, while not directly, pretty much subservient to the judicial power in Spain
Then the members of the constitutional tribunal are selected by the political party, which makes the judicial power also subservient to the executive
EU
>1986
>mr President Felipe Golanzes
>OMG GUYS, WE HAVE TO JOIN THE EU
>WE HAVE TO JOIN THE EU NO MATTER WHAT
>WE HAVE TO JOIN RIGHT NOW
>"okay, but you can only join the EU if you dismantle and sell all your infrastructure because we don't want you competing with France and Germany"
>OMG YES PLEASE LET ME SIGN
>"mr. president, maybe we should renegociate for a b-"
>signs
>PEOPLE OF SPAIN, TODAY IS A NEW AGE FOR SPAIN
>WE'RE GONNA SELL ORANGES TO REST OF EUROPE
>WE'RE GONNA BE SO FILTHY RICH
>YOU GUYS HAVE NO IDEA
>Meanwhile, Germany decides it wants to expand its car industry
>Morocco wants to buy German cars and sell oranges to Europe
>deal
Now everyone in Europe buys oranges from Morocco and Germany gets to sell cars and be rich
And they all lived happily every after
>>219465
>And they all lived happily every after
Except for Spain, that is. ;^)
Btw, didn't leftist whores had an idea of removing Generalissimus from his resting place?
I hope that didn't passed.
>And they all lived happily every after
Except for Spain, that is. ;^)
Btw, didn't leftist whores had an idea of removing Generalissimus from his resting place?
I hope that didn't passed.
>>219466
>Except for Spain, that is. ;^)
Is okay, we developed a booming tourism industry that became the strongest (only) backbone of the country that is in now way redecining due to protest everywhere and ocassional truck of peace. Evryting is parfect.
>didn't leftist whores had an idea of removing Generalissimus from his resting place?
Yes, the government did pass a bill to remove the General from its grave.
The problem was this bill was so poorly done it didn't even have the proper security reports elaborated, plus, it was also present before the supreme Justice Tribunal for recusal since out of all the 200 people it said it was going to remove, it only had the (poorly implemented) plans to remove 1 corpse.
So right now the exhumation is on legal limbo until waaay after elections are over
>Except for Spain, that is. ;^)
Is okay, we developed a booming tourism industry that became the strongest (only) backbone of the country that is in now way redecining due to protest everywhere and ocassional truck of peace. Evryting is parfect.
>didn't leftist whores had an idea of removing Generalissimus from his resting place?
Yes, the government did pass a bill to remove the General from its grave.
The problem was this bill was so poorly done it didn't even have the proper security reports elaborated, plus, it was also present before the supreme Justice Tribunal for recusal since out of all the 200 people it said it was going to remove, it only had the (poorly implemented) plans to remove 1 corpse.
So right now the exhumation is on legal limbo until waaay after elections are over
Reminder that tommorrow are the general elections, but next month we have the Autonomics and Municipals. Here both are important due to the fact that if VOX get a high percentage of seats this will motivate/shock many for the ones happening in may. Godspeed anonfillies!
>>219471
>next month we have the Autonomics and Municipals
And Europeans
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/en/be-heard/elections
>next month we have the Autonomics and Municipals
And Europeans
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/at-your-service/en/be-heard/elections
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>>219463
Do I read this right, the only non-leftist party (except perhaps some small parties) is VOX? But a change from zero to seventy representatives is a good sign. Best of luck and may the right side of the political specter grow even stronger.
... Sorry to go on rant below, but just wanted you to know you are not alone.
>>219464
>Another special mention is Healthcare, which was given from the central government to the regional provinces to handle, which has almost duplicated the cost and reduced its quality.
Norway did exactly the same. Divided the country into four regions, making the combined administration five times larger in total (we still need the national administration to push papers out to the four regions).
>>219465
>the senate, and the like, do not represent the electors, but the leader of the party
Norway in a nutshell. The moment a politician tries to represent the region he/she is elected from it is denounced as favoritism.
Do I read this right, the only non-leftist party (except perhaps some small parties) is VOX? But a change from zero to seventy representatives is a good sign. Best of luck and may the right side of the political specter grow even stronger.
... Sorry to go on rant below, but just wanted you to know you are not alone.
>>219464
>Another special mention is Healthcare, which was given from the central government to the regional provinces to handle, which has almost duplicated the cost and reduced its quality.
Norway did exactly the same. Divided the country into four regions, making the combined administration five times larger in total (we still need the national administration to push papers out to the four regions).
>>219465
>the senate, and the like, do not represent the electors, but the leader of the party
Norway in a nutshell. The moment a politician tries to represent the region he/she is elected from it is denounced as favoritism.
>>219468
>So right now the exhumation is on legal limbo until waaay after elections are over
What's a public stance on this?
>So right now the exhumation is on legal limbo until waaay after elections are over
What's a public stance on this?
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>>219477
>the only non-leftist party (except perhaps some small parties) is VOX?
Technically PP is also right wing, as much as any american cuckservative party is right wing
And C's is "center right" in name, but its political stance fluctuates like the wing
If you mean a right wing more /pol/ leaning we have the non-existant coalition party ADÑ that denounces masonry and zionism at every corner. They do not have /pol/'s ingenuity when it comes to economics however
In reality there are more than a thousand parties running for office, but only the 4 traditional ones that gets referenced non-stop by the media and the newcomer VOX that's get demonized non-stop by the media are the only well known ones
>Divided the country into four regions, making the combined administration five times larger in total (we still need the national administration to push papers out to the four regions).
Pretty much, although not sure the degree of indepedence the regions in Norway have. In Spain for example we have the Mossos that act as a police force in Catalonia that work as an independent police force with its own communication systems that could (as we saw during the referendum) go against the federal police force using its parallel infrastructures
>Norway in a nutshell. The moment a politician tries to represent the region he/she is elected from it is denounced as favoritism.
I meant it more in the sense that it was the president himself who selected the people that will show up on the list to be voted, and if the person elected disagrees and supports its own agenda, he will either become irrelevant or outright disappear from the party list next election
>Well at least there is some hope
No there isn't, if Spain hasn't crumbled yet is because Draghi has kept the expansive economic policy assuring the money keeps on flowing and maintaining all this insanity going, but...
>>219474 we have european elections next month, even if by some miracle VOX gets elected by an absolute majority I doubt there's anything that can be done at this point
Unless the new President of the European Central Bank keeps the same policy, Spain crumbles this year
>>219492
>What's a public stance on this?
If you mean what's the public opinion, I haven't really met anybody who really considers this as a positive thing, even the anti-Spanish crowd is more focused on current issues rather than go digging a 45 year old corpse. I have seen however, people that wanted to demolish the Valley of the Fallen where Franco is buried because they see it as a symbol of the defeat of the republican side in the Civil War
Most of the people I've met either don't care and think they should on current issues, others are outraged because the president of the government is digging a corpse of someone woh did a lot of good things for this country, and doing such an act with obvious partisanship intentions.
The bulk of the opinion I've seen were "wtf is the president digging a 45 year old corpse for?!", athough that perhaps might be because of the networks I tend to thread, and reality might be different
>the only non-leftist party (except perhaps some small parties) is VOX?
Technically PP is also right wing, as much as any american cuckservative party is right wing
And C's is "center right" in name, but its political stance fluctuates like the wing
If you mean a right wing more /pol/ leaning we have the non-existant coalition party ADÑ that denounces masonry and zionism at every corner. They do not have /pol/'s ingenuity when it comes to economics however
In reality there are more than a thousand parties running for office, but only the 4 traditional ones that gets referenced non-stop by the media and the newcomer VOX that's get demonized non-stop by the media are the only well known ones
>Divided the country into four regions, making the combined administration five times larger in total (we still need the national administration to push papers out to the four regions).
Pretty much, although not sure the degree of indepedence the regions in Norway have. In Spain for example we have the Mossos that act as a police force in Catalonia that work as an independent police force with its own communication systems that could (as we saw during the referendum) go against the federal police force using its parallel infrastructures
>Norway in a nutshell. The moment a politician tries to represent the region he/she is elected from it is denounced as favoritism.
I meant it more in the sense that it was the president himself who selected the people that will show up on the list to be voted, and if the person elected disagrees and supports its own agenda, he will either become irrelevant or outright disappear from the party list next election
>Well at least there is some hope
No there isn't, if Spain hasn't crumbled yet is because Draghi has kept the expansive economic policy assuring the money keeps on flowing and maintaining all this insanity going, but...
>>219474 we have european elections next month, even if by some miracle VOX gets elected by an absolute majority I doubt there's anything that can be done at this point
Unless the new President of the European Central Bank keeps the same policy, Spain crumbles this year
>>219492
>What's a public stance on this?
If you mean what's the public opinion, I haven't really met anybody who really considers this as a positive thing, even the anti-Spanish crowd is more focused on current issues rather than go digging a 45 year old corpse. I have seen however, people that wanted to demolish the Valley of the Fallen where Franco is buried because they see it as a symbol of the defeat of the republican side in the Civil War
Most of the people I've met either don't care and think they should on current issues, others are outraged because the president of the government is digging a corpse of someone woh did a lot of good things for this country, and doing such an act with obvious partisanship intentions.
The bulk of the opinion I've seen were "wtf is the president digging a 45 year old corpse for?!", athough that perhaps might be because of the networks I tend to thread, and reality might be different
>>219494
Thanks for clarification.
>Pretty much, although not sure the degree of indepedence the regions in Norway have. In Spain for example we have the Mossos that act as a police force in Catalonia that work as an independent police force with its own communication systems that could (as we saw during the referendum) go against the federal police force using its parallel infrastructures
The regions here in Norway is basically just administration. The actual services they are tasked to provide is decided on a national level. There is more or less no autonomy because every significant policy like building hospitals, or renovating hospitals, becomes a national political question anyway. They can perhaps do some movement of clinics (within a city) without it being lifted to parliament to decide, but that is about it.
>I meant it more in the sense that it was the president himself who selected the people that will show up on the list to be voted
Understand, then it is a bit different. We don't have president in Norway so it is the parties county organizations that elects who is on their lists. But mostly like for leftist parties those who are put on that lists have the party book in order and has been groomed and sifted through the youth party organization a long time ago. So all parties chooses their own lists and after the election the party or parties that form government chooses who will get the government positions (and are free to change who does what whenever they like).
You never vote on person you only vote on party. No one is elected to represent you or your region.
Thanks for clarification.
>Pretty much, although not sure the degree of indepedence the regions in Norway have. In Spain for example we have the Mossos that act as a police force in Catalonia that work as an independent police force with its own communication systems that could (as we saw during the referendum) go against the federal police force using its parallel infrastructures
The regions here in Norway is basically just administration. The actual services they are tasked to provide is decided on a national level. There is more or less no autonomy because every significant policy like building hospitals, or renovating hospitals, becomes a national political question anyway. They can perhaps do some movement of clinics (within a city) without it being lifted to parliament to decide, but that is about it.
>I meant it more in the sense that it was the president himself who selected the people that will show up on the list to be voted
Understand, then it is a bit different. We don't have president in Norway so it is the parties county organizations that elects who is on their lists. But mostly like for leftist parties those who are put on that lists have the party book in order and has been groomed and sifted through the youth party organization a long time ago. So all parties chooses their own lists and after the election the party or parties that form government chooses who will get the government positions (and are free to change who does what whenever they like).
You never vote on person you only vote on party. No one is elected to represent you or your region.
>>219497
>The regions here in Norway is basically just administration. The actual services they are tasked to provide is decided on a national level
That sounds like a more normal and centralized system. The Spanish provinces can do pretty much as they please as long as the particular sector has been given to them as a concession beforehand by the central government.
EU government has more control over its member states's policies than the Spanish government has over its own provinces
>So all parties chooses their own lists and after the election the party or parties that form government chooses who will get the government positions
Does that mean both legislative power and executive power are one in the same in Norway?
>You never vote on person you only vote on party. No one is elected to represent you or your region.
In Spain you do vote for the people who represent you, but you might as well be voting for a party, since they elect the people that show up on the list and can remove them at any time. Plus, you cannot run as an independent in the Spanish political system, you always need a party backing you
>The regions here in Norway is basically just administration. The actual services they are tasked to provide is decided on a national level
That sounds like a more normal and centralized system. The Spanish provinces can do pretty much as they please as long as the particular sector has been given to them as a concession beforehand by the central government.
EU government has more control over its member states's policies than the Spanish government has over its own provinces
>So all parties chooses their own lists and after the election the party or parties that form government chooses who will get the government positions
Does that mean both legislative power and executive power are one in the same in Norway?
>You never vote on person you only vote on party. No one is elected to represent you or your region.
In Spain you do vote for the people who represent you, but you might as well be voting for a party, since they elect the people that show up on the list and can remove them at any time. Plus, you cannot run as an independent in the Spanish political system, you always need a party backing you
>>219512
>Does that mean both legislative power and executive power are one in the same in Norway?
It is fairly colluded. The Parliament has to approve all laws and notions the government puts forward. But usually parties creates a collisional so they have the majority in parliament so all laws and policies are decided in the back-room and then the vote in parliament is just a formality.
And the last twenty years or more we've had majority collision governments. Usually you don't know what coalition you will get before after the election and after the parties have agreed on a policy through negotiations. So you don't know what you will get and what the major policies of the government will be before a good while after an election.
Norway only has the bare minimum of what is needed to be called a democracy. All elections are referendums. We as people can't force the government or political parties to do anything through elections.
>they elect the people that show up on the list and can remove them at any time. Plus, you cannot run as an independent in the Spanish political system, you always need a party backing you
You can't run as an individual in Norway either, you have to form a political party and get enough signatures to have it registered as a party. But once a person is elected to the parliament that person can't be removed or replaced until next election. So representatives can switch party or become independent once they are elected.
>Does that mean both legislative power and executive power are one in the same in Norway?
It is fairly colluded. The Parliament has to approve all laws and notions the government puts forward. But usually parties creates a collisional so they have the majority in parliament so all laws and policies are decided in the back-room and then the vote in parliament is just a formality.
And the last twenty years or more we've had majority collision governments. Usually you don't know what coalition you will get before after the election and after the parties have agreed on a policy through negotiations. So you don't know what you will get and what the major policies of the government will be before a good while after an election.
Norway only has the bare minimum of what is needed to be called a democracy. All elections are referendums. We as people can't force the government or political parties to do anything through elections.
>they elect the people that show up on the list and can remove them at any time. Plus, you cannot run as an independent in the Spanish political system, you always need a party backing you
You can't run as an individual in Norway either, you have to form a political party and get enough signatures to have it registered as a party. But once a person is elected to the parliament that person can't be removed or replaced until next election. So representatives can switch party or become independent once they are elected.
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>>219515
>Norway only has the bare minimum of what is needed to be called a democracy. All elections are referendums. We as people can't force the government or political parties to do anything through elections.
Pretty much what we have here, except that the government also has control over the judicial power, and very rarely they even set foot in jail no matter how many crimes they have up their backs.
Corruption scandals are so common here you can't barely go a week without hearing a new one.
Nobody upholds their program either once elected, there's no pressure for doing so, a party can absolutely ignore their entire program and do jack shit while in office so far as they have an absolute majority. Last government that got that kind if power broke pretty much their entire electoral program. The consequence was that they lost their absolute mayority next election, and we were an entire year without government after failing to form a coallition.
For reference, when discussing with family about the elections, and one told me she wanted to go vote for one of the regional parties. I asked for the program of said party and the response was pretty much "who cares, they never carry it out anyway"
I talked about a prediction for the seats of each party, but I'm expecting abstention to rise up perhaps to 50%.
Elections are not really a referendum if what you voted for doesn't even come to pass anyway
>Norway only has the bare minimum of what is needed to be called a democracy. All elections are referendums. We as people can't force the government or political parties to do anything through elections.
Pretty much what we have here, except that the government also has control over the judicial power, and very rarely they even set foot in jail no matter how many crimes they have up their backs.
Corruption scandals are so common here you can't barely go a week without hearing a new one.
Nobody upholds their program either once elected, there's no pressure for doing so, a party can absolutely ignore their entire program and do jack shit while in office so far as they have an absolute majority. Last government that got that kind if power broke pretty much their entire electoral program. The consequence was that they lost their absolute mayority next election, and we were an entire year without government after failing to form a coallition.
For reference, when discussing with family about the elections, and one told me she wanted to go vote for one of the regional parties. I asked for the program of said party and the response was pretty much "who cares, they never carry it out anyway"
I talked about a prediction for the seats of each party, but I'm expecting abstention to rise up perhaps to 50%.
Elections are not really a referendum if what you voted for doesn't even come to pass anyway
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>>219494
>No there isn't, if Spain hasn't crumbled yet is because Draghi has kept the expansive economic policy assuring the money keeps on flowing and maintaining all this insanity going, but…
>>219474 we have european elections next month, even if by some miracle VOX gets elected by an absolute majority I doubt there's anything that can be done at this point
Unless the new President of the European Central Bank keeps the same policy, Spain crumbles this year
HAve hope anon! We can do this!
>No there isn't, if Spain hasn't crumbled yet is because Draghi has kept the expansive economic policy assuring the money keeps on flowing and maintaining all this insanity going, but…
>>219474 we have european elections next month, even if by some miracle VOX gets elected by an absolute majority I doubt there's anything that can be done at this point
Unless the new President of the European Central Bank keeps the same policy, Spain crumbles this year
HAve hope anon! We can do this!
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>>219579
I mean, not saying Spain cannot be saved, if another Draghi that makes cash flow as much gets elected, and if VOX gets an absolute majority, and if VOX does not sell out and if they get their shit together and focus on gettting rid of the autonomic state (good luck with that, that thing is shielded) then MAYBE we can redirect the Spanish ship towards safer waters before it sinks
I guess the parties could still fail to form a government and get a second chance down the line, but so far the chances of we somehow getting out of this in this election are in the "the stars align" category, at least when it comes to the economic side.
We can still get rid of the feminist and the moors, so is not all bad, but the economy is not getting back up in a long time.
Also, first polling data is in, is just a comparison with the participation last year
I mean, not saying Spain cannot be saved, if another Draghi that makes cash flow as much gets elected, and if VOX gets an absolute majority, and if VOX does not sell out and if they get their shit together and focus on gettting rid of the autonomic state (good luck with that, that thing is shielded) then MAYBE we can redirect the Spanish ship towards safer waters before it sinks
I guess the parties could still fail to form a government and get a second chance down the line, but so far the chances of we somehow getting out of this in this election are in the "the stars align" category, at least when it comes to the economic side.
We can still get rid of the feminist and the moors, so is not all bad, but the economy is not getting back up in a long time.
Also, first polling data is in, is just a comparison with the participation last year
>>219535
>very rarely they even set foot in jail no matter how many crimes they have up their backs
Same here in Norway, but we also got so much money from oil that they don't have to be "corrupt" they just make government owned firms that they hire their friends to head with ridiculous high salaries. Politicians don't have to get money from private businesses or do favors for them to have the money to spend on their friends. If they need money for their personal friends they just raise taxes to pay for it.
>Nobody upholds their program either once elected, there's no pressure for doing so
No one does that here either. And mostly the programs they run on are just negotiation cards they use to form majority government. They basically promises things they don't what to implement but are only there to be used as bargaining chips.
>very rarely they even set foot in jail no matter how many crimes they have up their backs
Same here in Norway, but we also got so much money from oil that they don't have to be "corrupt" they just make government owned firms that they hire their friends to head with ridiculous high salaries. Politicians don't have to get money from private businesses or do favors for them to have the money to spend on their friends. If they need money for their personal friends they just raise taxes to pay for it.
>Nobody upholds their program either once elected, there's no pressure for doing so
No one does that here either. And mostly the programs they run on are just negotiation cards they use to form majority government. They basically promises things they don't what to implement but are only there to be used as bargaining chips.
>>219586
>we also got so much money from oil that they don't have to be "corrupt"
W-well, we have an awesome tourism industry that allows half the country to work as waiters, and thanks to the hard earned money of these waiters we can finance our hundreds of feminist observatories and agencies
S-see? We also have a prominent National Industry
>And mostly the programs they run on are just negotiation cards they use to form majority government. They basically promises things they don't what to implement but are only there to be used as bargaining chips.
The more I hear about Norway the more similar our political class seems
Does yours also require no qualifications to hold a political seat? Also, do the mayority of your politicians that do have titles surrounded in scandals of how the bought them to the university in question?
Official page for the results
https://www.resultados.eleccionesgenerales19.es/Congreso/Total-nacional/0/es
Wait for 21hrs CEST for the voting to be over
>we also got so much money from oil that they don't have to be "corrupt"
W-well, we have an awesome tourism industry that allows half the country to work as waiters, and thanks to the hard earned money of these waiters we can finance our hundreds of feminist observatories and agencies
S-see? We also have a prominent National Industry
>And mostly the programs they run on are just negotiation cards they use to form majority government. They basically promises things they don't what to implement but are only there to be used as bargaining chips.
The more I hear about Norway the more similar our political class seems
Does yours also require no qualifications to hold a political seat? Also, do the mayority of your politicians that do have titles surrounded in scandals of how the bought them to the university in question?
Official page for the results
https://www.resultados.eleccionesgenerales19.es/Congreso/Total-nacional/0/es
Wait for 21hrs CEST for the voting to be over
>>219592
>Does yours also require no qualifications to hold a political seat?
No qualification seams like a requirement to become a politician.
The leftist parties are worst when it comes to lack of qualifications. The only qualification needed there is to either be related to the top leaders in the party, plenty of dynasties where the qualification is that their grandfather once was the leader of the party. Or that they have the party book in pristine condition, here the youth parties are used to get rid of people that are a bit independent and not repeating the party mantra.
There are some new parties like the green party where the qualification is that you just graduated and believe the earth will end in a few years unless all cars and industry is removed. And you also need to believe that once you remove all current jobs they will magically be replaced with "green jobs".
The center and right is a bit hard to tell. There I think it is mostly friends of friends that get the top positions in the parties. But they also have a tendency to look more at experience than "party book touting".
But all political parties is mostly people that have never "worked" as anything else than a politician. These politicians get three month paid vacation every summer. If you live more than 50km (30 miles) politicians get paid travel home once every week. If they have children they get two trips home paid every week. And all politicians get free housing in the capitol. They also only needs to have two periods in the parliament (8 years) to get full pension. After they are voted out they get 6 or 12 month of full pay because it apparently is so hard for politicians to find work after being in parliament. And on top of it all most politicians in the leader roles (mainly leftist parties) are only working towards getting a job in the UN or some other global organization where they get top pay but also zero taxation because apparently having a top job in an global organization like the UN entitles you to not having to pay any taxes. There is some global agreement between all countries that exempt people working in international global organizations from paying taxes.
....I'll end the rant for now.
>Does yours also require no qualifications to hold a political seat?
No qualification seams like a requirement to become a politician.
The leftist parties are worst when it comes to lack of qualifications. The only qualification needed there is to either be related to the top leaders in the party, plenty of dynasties where the qualification is that their grandfather once was the leader of the party. Or that they have the party book in pristine condition, here the youth parties are used to get rid of people that are a bit independent and not repeating the party mantra.
There are some new parties like the green party where the qualification is that you just graduated and believe the earth will end in a few years unless all cars and industry is removed. And you also need to believe that once you remove all current jobs they will magically be replaced with "green jobs".
The center and right is a bit hard to tell. There I think it is mostly friends of friends that get the top positions in the parties. But they also have a tendency to look more at experience than "party book touting".
But all political parties is mostly people that have never "worked" as anything else than a politician. These politicians get three month paid vacation every summer. If you live more than 50km (30 miles) politicians get paid travel home once every week. If they have children they get two trips home paid every week. And all politicians get free housing in the capitol. They also only needs to have two periods in the parliament (8 years) to get full pension. After they are voted out they get 6 or 12 month of full pay because it apparently is so hard for politicians to find work after being in parliament. And on top of it all most politicians in the leader roles (mainly leftist parties) are only working towards getting a job in the UN or some other global organization where they get top pay but also zero taxation because apparently having a top job in an global organization like the UN entitles you to not having to pay any taxes. There is some global agreement between all countries that exempt people working in international global organizations from paying taxes.
....I'll end the rant for now.
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JUST CAME BACK FROM VOTING
AND WE HAVE FIRST EXIT POLL
Not looking so hot tbh
>PSOE+P's
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP LAD
>>219594
>But all political parties is mostly people that have never "worked" as anything else than a politician
Same here
>They also only needs to have two periods in the parliament (8 years) to get full pension
Same
>And on top of it all most politicians in the leader roles (mainly leftist parties) are only working towards getting a job in the UN or some other global organization where they get top pay but also zero taxation
Almost the same, here they just mysteriously get a job in one of the mayor corporations that lobbied for them and the government was extremely generous towards during their time in office, defnitely not repaying favours or some shaddy business like that
>….I'll end the rant for now.
YES, THIS IS SPAIN THREAD, NO MORE DISCUSSING NORWAY POLITICS, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
AND WE HAVE FIRST EXIT POLL
Not looking so hot tbh
>PSOE+P's
JUST FUCK MY SHIT UP LAD
>>219594
>But all political parties is mostly people that have never "worked" as anything else than a politician
Same here
>They also only needs to have two periods in the parliament (8 years) to get full pension
Same
>And on top of it all most politicians in the leader roles (mainly leftist parties) are only working towards getting a job in the UN or some other global organization where they get top pay but also zero taxation
Almost the same, here they just mysteriously get a job in one of the mayor corporations that lobbied for them and the government was extremely generous towards during their time in office, defnitely not repaying favours or some shaddy business like that
>….I'll end the rant for now.
YES, THIS IS SPAIN THREAD, NO MORE DISCUSSING NORWAY POLITICS, REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>219609
Spain is a small, innocent filly lying on the beautiful green fields of Iberia, and the results of that poll, if final, are the omega anus destroyer.
They are not definiteve, but it doesn't look good regardless
Also, leftist vote rigging as usual
https://twitter.com/R13bobb/status/1122540904785555458
Spain is a small, innocent filly lying on the beautiful green fields of Iberia, and the results of that poll, if final, are the omega anus destroyer.
They are not definiteve, but it doesn't look good regardless
Also, leftist vote rigging as usual
https://twitter.com/R13bobb/status/1122540904785555458
>>219607
>Not looking so hot tbh
The good thing is that VOX is doing a big leap from zero representation to a sizable voice. Hoping they rise higher and end up as a real sore thorn in the eye of the leftists.
>Not looking so hot tbh
The good thing is that VOX is doing a big leap from zero representation to a sizable voice. Hoping they rise higher and end up as a real sore thorn in the eye of the leftists.
>>219612
This is ungovernable my friend. Soon Spain will have the guiness world record of reelections
This is ungovernable my friend. Soon Spain will have the guiness world record of reelections
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>>219612
The only way VOX enter government is with PP+C's+VOX coalition, and that adds to 146 seats
And with how easy the socialist want to make people access nationality and with all the peaceful moors coming, I wouldn't be so optimistic
>>219613
>ungovernable
I think PSOE and C's could pretty easily form a government, or even PSOE+Potemas+other parties
Also
>D'Hondt law
The only way VOX enter government is with PP+C's+VOX coalition, and that adds to 146 seats
And with how easy the socialist want to make people access nationality and with all the peaceful moors coming, I wouldn't be so optimistic
>>219613
>ungovernable
I think PSOE and C's could pretty easily form a government, or even PSOE+Potemas+other parties
Also
>D'Hondt law
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Results are in
Is pretty much over now
The next step is to form a coalition of 176+ seats
PSOE+P's=158
PP+C's+VOX=147
What I believe will happen is that they will try to form a government for a couple of months, and just before we have to repeat elections, C's will show up and agree to make a coalition with PSOE "because it'll be terrible for Spain not to have a government" or to "Stop the extreme right wing"
Even if we end up with no government and reelections, no way VOX is getting enough votes to do anything
Only thing left is to Honk Honk now, grab the popcorn, and watch it all burn.
Is pretty much over now
The next step is to form a coalition of 176+ seats
PSOE+P's=158
PP+C's+VOX=147
What I believe will happen is that they will try to form a government for a couple of months, and just before we have to repeat elections, C's will show up and agree to make a coalition with PSOE "because it'll be terrible for Spain not to have a government" or to "Stop the extreme right wing"
Even if we end up with no government and reelections, no way VOX is getting enough votes to do anything
Only thing left is to Honk Honk now, grab the popcorn, and watch it all burn.
>>219626
>>219614
(Except the european parliament elections) We still have the auto and municipals. Spain is very bizarre in this sense, sometimes city, small town, small city administrations can move mountains inside our country. Spain is pissed with the results, theres several reports of riigged electorate comities all around the country. Its harder to rig smaller scale elections.
>>219614
(Except the european parliament elections) We still have the auto and municipals. Spain is very bizarre in this sense, sometimes city, small town, small city administrations can move mountains inside our country. Spain is pissed with the results, theres several reports of riigged electorate comities all around the country. Its harder to rig smaller scale elections.
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>>219627
I know, I pretty much said during my summary that autonomies function with pretty much as much autonomy as independent states with the segments of the region they have been given control over.
However, if you look at >>219581, which is not a final map, but you can clearly see that the lowest turnout was in the south, specifically in Andalucia where VOX got their 12 seats in the election
Going through the list of autonomies, the only ones where VOX got a pretty good result are Murcia, Navarra, Ceuta and Melilla, funnily enough, and I'm using "good result" as "VOX got at least more than half of PSOE"
There have been videos circulating of people rigging the election against VOX, such as
https://twitter.com/R13bobb/status/1122540904785555458
But I still don't believe it makes that much of a difference, and considering how the "election was rigged" claims have ended up during other country's elections, I'm going to take a wild guess and say it won't amount to nothing
And the EU elections, we might be able to scrap something there, specially considering they don't have the D'Hondt law, but I'm not exactly sure the extend of what they can do with 1/10 of the seats if this election is anything to go by
I know, I pretty much said during my summary that autonomies function with pretty much as much autonomy as independent states with the segments of the region they have been given control over.
However, if you look at >>219581, which is not a final map, but you can clearly see that the lowest turnout was in the south, specifically in Andalucia where VOX got their 12 seats in the election
Going through the list of autonomies, the only ones where VOX got a pretty good result are Murcia, Navarra, Ceuta and Melilla, funnily enough, and I'm using "good result" as "VOX got at least more than half of PSOE"
There have been videos circulating of people rigging the election against VOX, such as
https://twitter.com/R13bobb/status/1122540904785555458
But I still don't believe it makes that much of a difference, and considering how the "election was rigged" claims have ended up during other country's elections, I'm going to take a wild guess and say it won't amount to nothing
And the EU elections, we might be able to scrap something there, specially considering they don't have the D'Hondt law, but I'm not exactly sure the extend of what they can do with 1/10 of the seats if this election is anything to go by
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>>219628
I agree d'hondt law, but when it comes to municipals in Spain it's a slippery slope. Municipalities can range in size from a small town in the middle of castille to central Barcelona or Madrid. And what we learned from the last municipals is if a small party like podemos con get the central municipalities of both cities and in less than 4 years fill them with illegals, squatters, interfere with housing (pisos de proteccion oficial are easiesr to get for an illegal than for a national thanks to fatto colau and carmena) and even screw them over with bizarre environmentalist policies, imagine how much can vox or pacma can do.
I agree d'hondt law, but when it comes to municipals in Spain it's a slippery slope. Municipalities can range in size from a small town in the middle of castille to central Barcelona or Madrid. And what we learned from the last municipals is if a small party like podemos con get the central municipalities of both cities and in less than 4 years fill them with illegals, squatters, interfere with housing (pisos de proteccion oficial are easiesr to get for an illegal than for a national thanks to fatto colau and carmena) and even screw them over with bizarre environmentalist policies, imagine how much can vox or pacma can do.
Always good to see an update from you. One of the best posters on /mlpol/.
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>>219464
I never realized Spain had such a decentralized government. I always thought that with Franco and the Crown being such big parts of Spanish history that the modern government would favor centralization. I don't know a ton about Spanish history but I did read a tiny bit about them during the 30 years' war. Sounds like fucking shitstorm is par for the course then and now. Why is it so decentralized today?
>The Hospital in Madrid Gregorio Marañón has 500 people working in the kitchen, 10 times the amount of what other hospitals of similar size have, with around 35h a week
Jesus Christ, is that the meme about Southern European Catholic countries having no work ethic or scheduled time management?
People here in the states always complain we only got two real parties, but all these coalitions seem to amount to more of the same. Conservatives and liberals here generally remain in a deadlock. There are more hispanics, blacks, and white liberals that could outvote the conservative whites but they don't have as high voter turnout. Conservatives here are cucks a lot too, but I feel like the USA is the only western country where people are at least trying to take a feasible stand against the general liberal demographic shift. I would be a Southern Nationalist if I didn't think the South leaving the US would just be the same thing in microcosm. The only difference being I'd be voting against Atlanta instead of California and New York. The South has always been a bastion of conservatism, but I don't think it will last.
I just don't get it. Where did all of these leftist ideologies come from? I just can't believe how much they've influenced every western government and populace around the world. What changed our cultures so much?
I never realized Spain had such a decentralized government. I always thought that with Franco and the Crown being such big parts of Spanish history that the modern government would favor centralization. I don't know a ton about Spanish history but I did read a tiny bit about them during the 30 years' war. Sounds like fucking shitstorm is par for the course then and now. Why is it so decentralized today?
>The Hospital in Madrid Gregorio Marañón has 500 people working in the kitchen, 10 times the amount of what other hospitals of similar size have, with around 35h a week
Jesus Christ, is that the meme about Southern European Catholic countries having no work ethic or scheduled time management?
People here in the states always complain we only got two real parties, but all these coalitions seem to amount to more of the same. Conservatives and liberals here generally remain in a deadlock. There are more hispanics, blacks, and white liberals that could outvote the conservative whites but they don't have as high voter turnout. Conservatives here are cucks a lot too, but I feel like the USA is the only western country where people are at least trying to take a feasible stand against the general liberal demographic shift. I would be a Southern Nationalist if I didn't think the South leaving the US would just be the same thing in microcosm. The only difference being I'd be voting against Atlanta instead of California and New York. The South has always been a bastion of conservatism, but I don't think it will last.
I just don't get it. Where did all of these leftist ideologies come from? I just can't believe how much they've influenced every western government and populace around the world. What changed our cultures so much?
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>>219629
>>219630
They may be able to stop certain cities from getting moor'd, defund some social programs and give the police more tools in certain parts of the country, but they won't be able to stop the government handing nationalities like hot cakes and plunging Spain into endless debt
>>219639
>>219638
Thanks guys! May the windmill of friendship bless you all
Sorry for lack of updates, live can be a bitch, but other than the trial, the campaign and the election, there hasn't been anything too juicy that I can remember
Had to do one for election day
>>219670
>Why is it so decentralized today?
Our state model was constructed during the drafting of our constitution, and is pretty much the root of all evil for most of today's headaches
It was concocted as an agreement between different historically privileged groups, such as the catholic church, the monarchy and some new ones such as the electric companies and political parties. The goal was to increase these privileges and gain newer ones
Cristianity is specifically recognized as a faith in the constitution, the King is given inviolability and freed from all responsibility, it gave the control of the judiciary to the political parties and of course, created the autonomic model that gave autonomy to municipalities, provinces and autonomies, dividing the different powers between the central state and the provinces
But most important of all is Article 149.3 and Article 150.2, that gave away the powers non explicitly mention to belong to the central state AND allowed the central state to delegate those powers anyway, that has slowly increased the decentralization and multiplying the size and cost of the administration, that of course, is paid by the public purse
This is made even worse in the Title X, that makes these articles bulletproof:
To change them you need to have the changes approved by the congress, then ratified by the senate. After that the chambers get dissolved and we call for new elections. After the elections the changes proposed by the previous government need to be ratified AGAIN by the new senate, then the new congress, and THEN we have a nationwide referendum for these changes
This is why the Catalans tried to become independent by force, because no way they can make all of this happen
Despite having so many regulations, the constitution is surprising flexible from a governing perspective allowing for basically total economic planning
Basically, the left loved it, the church loved it, the media got apid to love it, powerfull monopolistic companies loved it...
And the Spanish, with a compentent government for almost 40 years, many didn't read it or weren't smart enough to comprehend the text, many just heard from some tv news reporter or someone else they trusted it was good, and voted for it
It also didn't help some powerful people that were favorable to the decesased General's vision got murdered by ETA
The rest is just a downwards spiral down into today's Spain
>Jesus Christ, is that the meme about Southern European Catholic countries having no work ethic or scheduled time management?
That's only for public jobs, where you get overpaid for doing basically nothing
In the private sector you need to work multiple jobs, and even then there are families that do not have enough money to turn the heaters during winter
Truth is there's a large portion of people that are happy with leeching money and lazing around. Many problems could be solved with less prevarication from the citizens and more whistleblowing
Not every public employee is lazy however, you just need to look at the tax agency, you will rarely see someone working so diligently. Their excesive enthusiasm often do lead the citizens, business and governments to take legal action against them. With an impressive record of >50% court cases lost for individuals and >80% for autonomies and companies, you can qualify them of wildly imaginative, perhaps even pernicious, but definitely not lazy.
>Where did all of these leftist ideologies come from?
Feminist, faggotry and the like came from Europe, we didn't have none of this crap before joining the EU and were more isolated.
Separatist and civil war butthurt people is on us, although it didn't help all the support that came from Europe (an America)
>>219630
They may be able to stop certain cities from getting moor'd, defund some social programs and give the police more tools in certain parts of the country, but they won't be able to stop the government handing nationalities like hot cakes and plunging Spain into endless debt
>>219639
>>219638
Thanks guys! May the windmill of friendship bless you all
Sorry for lack of updates, live can be a bitch, but other than the trial, the campaign and the election, there hasn't been anything too juicy that I can remember
Had to do one for election day
>>219670
>Why is it so decentralized today?
Our state model was constructed during the drafting of our constitution, and is pretty much the root of all evil for most of today's headaches
It was concocted as an agreement between different historically privileged groups, such as the catholic church, the monarchy and some new ones such as the electric companies and political parties. The goal was to increase these privileges and gain newer ones
Cristianity is specifically recognized as a faith in the constitution, the King is given inviolability and freed from all responsibility, it gave the control of the judiciary to the political parties and of course, created the autonomic model that gave autonomy to municipalities, provinces and autonomies, dividing the different powers between the central state and the provinces
But most important of all is Article 149.3 and Article 150.2, that gave away the powers non explicitly mention to belong to the central state AND allowed the central state to delegate those powers anyway, that has slowly increased the decentralization and multiplying the size and cost of the administration, that of course, is paid by the public purse
This is made even worse in the Title X, that makes these articles bulletproof:
To change them you need to have the changes approved by the congress, then ratified by the senate. After that the chambers get dissolved and we call for new elections. After the elections the changes proposed by the previous government need to be ratified AGAIN by the new senate, then the new congress, and THEN we have a nationwide referendum for these changes
This is why the Catalans tried to become independent by force, because no way they can make all of this happen
Despite having so many regulations, the constitution is surprising flexible from a governing perspective allowing for basically total economic planning
Basically, the left loved it, the church loved it, the media got apid to love it, powerfull monopolistic companies loved it...
And the Spanish, with a compentent government for almost 40 years, many didn't read it or weren't smart enough to comprehend the text, many just heard from some tv news reporter or someone else they trusted it was good, and voted for it
It also didn't help some powerful people that were favorable to the decesased General's vision got murdered by ETA
The rest is just a downwards spiral down into today's Spain
>Jesus Christ, is that the meme about Southern European Catholic countries having no work ethic or scheduled time management?
That's only for public jobs, where you get overpaid for doing basically nothing
In the private sector you need to work multiple jobs, and even then there are families that do not have enough money to turn the heaters during winter
Truth is there's a large portion of people that are happy with leeching money and lazing around. Many problems could be solved with less prevarication from the citizens and more whistleblowing
Not every public employee is lazy however, you just need to look at the tax agency, you will rarely see someone working so diligently. Their excesive enthusiasm often do lead the citizens, business and governments to take legal action against them. With an impressive record of >50% court cases lost for individuals and >80% for autonomies and companies, you can qualify them of wildly imaginative, perhaps even pernicious, but definitely not lazy.
>Where did all of these leftist ideologies come from?
Feminist, faggotry and the like came from Europe, we didn't have none of this crap before joining the EU and were more isolated.
Separatist and civil war butthurt people is on us, although it didn't help all the support that came from Europe (an America)
Can we involve the EU Parliament election in this thread or make another one?
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SPAIN UPDATE
WHEN I'M WRITING THE SCRIPT OF A COMEDY SHOW EDITION
Today are the regional elections in Spain, and Spain is a heavily decentralized country, so they are in some cases even more important than general elections.
For regional elections, the most important regions are Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and Navarra, specially Madrid since is pretty much the backbone of the national economy at this point. If Madrid turns red, Spain's destiny will reach much sooner and have a more devastating effect.
Not much to say other than the regional campaign has been pretty lackluster, it would seem as if everyone has ran out of steam after general elections.
So here's a recap for the election of last month
ELECTION AFTERMATH
A few weeks after being elected, the president, trying to appease the separatist announced he intended to propose Mr. Miguel Iceta for president of the Senate.
He is both homosexual and has declared publicly he wants to free the Catalans, as well as being the artificer in many pro-Catalan anti-Spanish initiatives, a great choice for the separatist overall.
The reason given in PR was to "promote the territorial dialogue and debate", while the actual reason is likely to obtain support from the separatist and get their votes for his government.
But the president forgot one very important detail, he's not negotiating with reasonable people, but with Catalan politicians
Catalan response:
>"So you want to put Iceta as the president in the senate?"
>"Well, you know what, if you don't release the politicians in prison RIGHT NOW we will Vito Iceta to be both autonomic senator and president of the senate"
The president, a bit dumbfounded, circumvented with this Vito by proposing another Catalan separatist Meritxell Batet for president of congress
Podemos will be bough with position of vice-president of congress and the first Secretary of congress
But there's more, 5 of the people accused of rebellion and in preemptive prison being judged ran for elections and won seats in the congress and the senate
The lawyers of these people have requested their provisional prison be revoked and the politicians be given probation instead, as to fulfill their constitutional rights, that includes the swearing to the constitution and be freed from prison so they can enforce these rights during the 4 years this government has
Not only that, they request the suspension of the entire trial
The supreme justice tribunal responded to this petition with "they will take their positions (under custody of course) and then they return to prison WITHOUT DELAY, that their request was already made back in the day, and this does not changes because they were elected, the trial is absolutely not getting suspended and absolutely no probation"
On Wednesday the 350 new elected politicians swore the constitution, including the ones who came straigh out of prison
They "swore" the constitution in quite an interesting fashion:
>"From a republican compromise, as a 'political prisoner' and for 'legal imperative', I promise"
And other variations that include "for the democratic mandate of the people of Catalonia", "for the Catalan republic", but always by "legal imperative" and as "political prisoners"
Other wonderful oaths from ETA's political party
>"I accept for legal imperative until the creation of the Basque republic"
This could not actually be heard during the oath itself, since Vox's members protested by smashing the desk and kicking the floor, which was later heavily criticized, unlike the people "reluctantly" swearing the constitution accused of rebellion and sedition that went out scold free
Due to Vox's Tantrum, their oath could not be heard in the room at the time
Vox on the other hand, swore the constitution "for Spain"
The one responsible for imposing order in this chamber what none other than the recently named Meritxell, but not only she didn't do anything about it, but she criticized VOX for daring to protest against this obvious illegality
Meritxell was elected by 175 votes, and had a speech where she ranted about respect, manners and feminism, climate change, and defending the politicians that were booed. She finished the speech with a "thanks" in Catalan, then in Galician, then in Basque, and finally in Spanish
After this travesty, the prosecution requested to the supreme court the suspension of the separatist politicians, to which the supreme court responded with also requesting the immediate suspension of the separatist politicians to the president of congress
They are accused of violating article 384 bis of the law of criminal prosecution that decrees that if any person who holds public office and has received an investigation order signed by a judge after being imputed for a crime of related to armed bands, terrorist or rebels, the person holding public office would be suspended immediately during his stance in prison.
The supreme judge in charge of the separatist trial had, in fact, previously sent a letter to congress saying they should activate article 21.2 of congress, that can be used to suspend members of parliament that are in preemptive prison
But since the president of congress is Meritxell, who supports the separatist, responds to the supreme court asking for a proper report asking the judicial chamber to inform congress of the procedures the law must be applied in regards to these people, without consulting any other member of the institution before sending this letter to the Supreme court.
The supreme court, who's not taking the bait, replies with "we don't need to elaborate any report, and they have already said anything that needed to be said and basically that the supreme court does not have an advisory role in regards to the courts
WHEN I'M WRITING THE SCRIPT OF A COMEDY SHOW EDITION
Today are the regional elections in Spain, and Spain is a heavily decentralized country, so they are in some cases even more important than general elections.
For regional elections, the most important regions are Madrid, Barcelona, Valencia and Navarra, specially Madrid since is pretty much the backbone of the national economy at this point. If Madrid turns red, Spain's destiny will reach much sooner and have a more devastating effect.
Not much to say other than the regional campaign has been pretty lackluster, it would seem as if everyone has ran out of steam after general elections.
So here's a recap for the election of last month
ELECTION AFTERMATH
A few weeks after being elected, the president, trying to appease the separatist announced he intended to propose Mr. Miguel Iceta for president of the Senate.
He is both homosexual and has declared publicly he wants to free the Catalans, as well as being the artificer in many pro-Catalan anti-Spanish initiatives, a great choice for the separatist overall.
The reason given in PR was to "promote the territorial dialogue and debate", while the actual reason is likely to obtain support from the separatist and get their votes for his government.
But the president forgot one very important detail, he's not negotiating with reasonable people, but with Catalan politicians
Catalan response:
>"So you want to put Iceta as the president in the senate?"
>"Well, you know what, if you don't release the politicians in prison RIGHT NOW we will Vito Iceta to be both autonomic senator and president of the senate"
The president, a bit dumbfounded, circumvented with this Vito by proposing another Catalan separatist Meritxell Batet for president of congress
Podemos will be bough with position of vice-president of congress and the first Secretary of congress
But there's more, 5 of the people accused of rebellion and in preemptive prison being judged ran for elections and won seats in the congress and the senate
The lawyers of these people have requested their provisional prison be revoked and the politicians be given probation instead, as to fulfill their constitutional rights, that includes the swearing to the constitution and be freed from prison so they can enforce these rights during the 4 years this government has
Not only that, they request the suspension of the entire trial
The supreme justice tribunal responded to this petition with "they will take their positions (under custody of course) and then they return to prison WITHOUT DELAY, that their request was already made back in the day, and this does not changes because they were elected, the trial is absolutely not getting suspended and absolutely no probation"
On Wednesday the 350 new elected politicians swore the constitution, including the ones who came straigh out of prison
They "swore" the constitution in quite an interesting fashion:
>"From a republican compromise, as a 'political prisoner' and for 'legal imperative', I promise"
And other variations that include "for the democratic mandate of the people of Catalonia", "for the Catalan republic", but always by "legal imperative" and as "political prisoners"
Other wonderful oaths from ETA's political party
>"I accept for legal imperative until the creation of the Basque republic"
This could not actually be heard during the oath itself, since Vox's members protested by smashing the desk and kicking the floor, which was later heavily criticized, unlike the people "reluctantly" swearing the constitution accused of rebellion and sedition that went out scold free
Due to Vox's Tantrum, their oath could not be heard in the room at the time
Vox on the other hand, swore the constitution "for Spain"
The one responsible for imposing order in this chamber what none other than the recently named Meritxell, but not only she didn't do anything about it, but she criticized VOX for daring to protest against this obvious illegality
Meritxell was elected by 175 votes, and had a speech where she ranted about respect, manners and feminism, climate change, and defending the politicians that were booed. She finished the speech with a "thanks" in Catalan, then in Galician, then in Basque, and finally in Spanish
After this travesty, the prosecution requested to the supreme court the suspension of the separatist politicians, to which the supreme court responded with also requesting the immediate suspension of the separatist politicians to the president of congress
They are accused of violating article 384 bis of the law of criminal prosecution that decrees that if any person who holds public office and has received an investigation order signed by a judge after being imputed for a crime of related to armed bands, terrorist or rebels, the person holding public office would be suspended immediately during his stance in prison.
The supreme judge in charge of the separatist trial had, in fact, previously sent a letter to congress saying they should activate article 21.2 of congress, that can be used to suspend members of parliament that are in preemptive prison
But since the president of congress is Meritxell, who supports the separatist, responds to the supreme court asking for a proper report asking the judicial chamber to inform congress of the procedures the law must be applied in regards to these people, without consulting any other member of the institution before sending this letter to the Supreme court.
The supreme court, who's not taking the bait, replies with "we don't need to elaborate any report, and they have already said anything that needed to be said and basically that the supreme court does not have an advisory role in regards to the courts
>>223328
The outragement all this clusterfuck caused can't be understated, when the cuckservates of all people asked for her reproval and have even suggested the possibility of accusing her of disobedience and prevarication in a court of law if she does not suspend the separatist
They also proposed a new law to stop future pardons to the separatist, asking the socialist president to support them, forcing him to show his cards to everyone this early into the new government
The next say she summoned the members of congress again to conclude by a vote that she could not take this decision without consulting, and asked again for another report to the judiciary over what her duty is supposed to be.
To which they supreme court replied again that they have indeed committed an illegality and the law stipulates they should be suspended automatically
After receiving the report, and not having stalled for enough time yet, she summoned congress yet again, she explained the report of what the law is to congress, something they know already, and made them vote AGAIN to whether or not they should suspend the separatist. This time the vote turned in favor of suspending them, with the socialist party having to vote yes as well, considering the elections are this weekend.
She then had to suspend from public office to the people in preemptive prison, still referring to them as members of congress.
And now she will be making another inquiry to the judiciary, to see what she has to do with the empty seats the separatist left behind
None of these people will be able to show up for regional elections today
Puigdemont however, will face no such trouble, and will still appear in European elections
And that's it for now, Spain, as, always reaching levels of absurdity that shouldn't even be possible
Now other non-electoral news
GOVERNMENT
Vox will implement as its first reform once they enter the European Union a reform of the Euro order to stop other countries from questioning the proper workings of the Spanish justice and avoid cases such as ex Catalan president Puigdemont
The head of the Vox party for the EU parliament says:
>"What is happening with the ex Catalan president is outrageous, it implies the judicial authorities from Belgium and Germany decided to make an audit of Spanish democracy trough the function of its tribunals and this is not tolerable"
CATALONIA
The testimonial part of the separatist trial has finally ended, we will now proceed with the "presenting evidence" part of the trial
The trial has been going for 3 months now. I have not been providing updates with this topic because honestly, it is massive, each day of the trial could be an entire update by itself
If you're curious, there's a journalist that has been documenting in English these events of the trial daily, his translation is not very extensive and although I cannot vouch for his analysis, from what I've read from his translation it seems quite accurate and it covers most of the important parts
You can give it a read if you want to have a glimpse of what kind of "Phoenix Wright" circus has taken place in the supreme court
https://www.thespainreport.es/types/18-chronicle
https://www.thespainreport.es/types/19-thread
https://www.thespainreport.es/types/22-transcription
Catalan president Torra gave testimony before the supreme justice tribunal of Catalonia for disobedience due to his negative when ordered to remove the Yellow Ribbons that have been associated with Catalan independence from public buildings during the electoral campaigns
He received a guest in quality of exiled, a businessman that left Spain a year and a half ago alongside Pugidemont to avoid the Justice. He was treated like a war hero.
The accounting tribunal has FINALLY decided to investigate Puigdemont, ex-president in exile; Junqueras, right now undergoing a trial; Artus Mas, previous president of Catalonia and also attempted an independence referendum that ended with him banned from a year of holding public office, as well as other Catalans for embezzling 8 million € for the referendum of the 1st of October
The problem of this is not really the embezzlement, but the fact that it was tolerated by the previous government, that everyone seems to have forgotten about lately
The first document has a compilation of all the bills:
>Expenditure of voting centers -> 900900€
>Publicity expenditure -> 1million€
>Ballot expenditure -> 1million€
>posters -> 38500€
>Exterior action, that includes travels and honorarium of the observers -> 2.3million€
A few hours before the referendum of 2017, the separatist media asserted the UN had accused the Spanish government on infringing on human rights.
This was not exactly right, as the one who gave such statement was a rapporteur from the UN tipped handsomely by Puigdemont with the figure of 100k €, courtesy of the Spanish taxpayer
The accounting tribunal has now ruled that the 100k grand did not follow proper procedures during its formalities and concession
The accounting tribunal also presented a report on match to investigate the legal responsibilities of the leaders of the Catalan government for the expending of 416 million€ in public money in the implementation and enforcement of the exterior policies for the independence process between 2011 and 2017
The outragement all this clusterfuck caused can't be understated, when the cuckservates of all people asked for her reproval and have even suggested the possibility of accusing her of disobedience and prevarication in a court of law if she does not suspend the separatist
They also proposed a new law to stop future pardons to the separatist, asking the socialist president to support them, forcing him to show his cards to everyone this early into the new government
The next say she summoned the members of congress again to conclude by a vote that she could not take this decision without consulting, and asked again for another report to the judiciary over what her duty is supposed to be.
To which they supreme court replied again that they have indeed committed an illegality and the law stipulates they should be suspended automatically
After receiving the report, and not having stalled for enough time yet, she summoned congress yet again, she explained the report of what the law is to congress, something they know already, and made them vote AGAIN to whether or not they should suspend the separatist. This time the vote turned in favor of suspending them, with the socialist party having to vote yes as well, considering the elections are this weekend.
She then had to suspend from public office to the people in preemptive prison, still referring to them as members of congress.
And now she will be making another inquiry to the judiciary, to see what she has to do with the empty seats the separatist left behind
None of these people will be able to show up for regional elections today
Puigdemont however, will face no such trouble, and will still appear in European elections
And that's it for now, Spain, as, always reaching levels of absurdity that shouldn't even be possible
Now other non-electoral news
GOVERNMENT
Vox will implement as its first reform once they enter the European Union a reform of the Euro order to stop other countries from questioning the proper workings of the Spanish justice and avoid cases such as ex Catalan president Puigdemont
The head of the Vox party for the EU parliament says:
>"What is happening with the ex Catalan president is outrageous, it implies the judicial authorities from Belgium and Germany decided to make an audit of Spanish democracy trough the function of its tribunals and this is not tolerable"
CATALONIA
The testimonial part of the separatist trial has finally ended, we will now proceed with the "presenting evidence" part of the trial
The trial has been going for 3 months now. I have not been providing updates with this topic because honestly, it is massive, each day of the trial could be an entire update by itself
If you're curious, there's a journalist that has been documenting in English these events of the trial daily, his translation is not very extensive and although I cannot vouch for his analysis, from what I've read from his translation it seems quite accurate and it covers most of the important parts
You can give it a read if you want to have a glimpse of what kind of "Phoenix Wright" circus has taken place in the supreme court
https://www.thespainreport.es/types/18-chronicle
https://www.thespainreport.es/types/19-thread
https://www.thespainreport.es/types/22-transcription
Catalan president Torra gave testimony before the supreme justice tribunal of Catalonia for disobedience due to his negative when ordered to remove the Yellow Ribbons that have been associated with Catalan independence from public buildings during the electoral campaigns
He received a guest in quality of exiled, a businessman that left Spain a year and a half ago alongside Pugidemont to avoid the Justice. He was treated like a war hero.
The accounting tribunal has FINALLY decided to investigate Puigdemont, ex-president in exile; Junqueras, right now undergoing a trial; Artus Mas, previous president of Catalonia and also attempted an independence referendum that ended with him banned from a year of holding public office, as well as other Catalans for embezzling 8 million € for the referendum of the 1st of October
The problem of this is not really the embezzlement, but the fact that it was tolerated by the previous government, that everyone seems to have forgotten about lately
The first document has a compilation of all the bills:
>Expenditure of voting centers -> 900900€
>Publicity expenditure -> 1million€
>Ballot expenditure -> 1million€
>posters -> 38500€
>Exterior action, that includes travels and honorarium of the observers -> 2.3million€
A few hours before the referendum of 2017, the separatist media asserted the UN had accused the Spanish government on infringing on human rights.
This was not exactly right, as the one who gave such statement was a rapporteur from the UN tipped handsomely by Puigdemont with the figure of 100k €, courtesy of the Spanish taxpayer
The accounting tribunal has now ruled that the 100k grand did not follow proper procedures during its formalities and concession
The accounting tribunal also presented a report on match to investigate the legal responsibilities of the leaders of the Catalan government for the expending of 416 million€ in public money in the implementation and enforcement of the exterior policies for the independence process between 2011 and 2017
>>223329
The prosecution sees crimes of criminal organization in the acts carried out by the Catalan news TV, TV3, and the radio Catalonia Radio in the push of the 1st of October referendum and the consequent declaration of independence
The prosecution ask to add new charges against the people responsible of the Catalan audiovisual business already processed, as well as the directives of TV3, Catalonia radio and others.
In the document presented the prosecution argues there could be a possibility of a breach of article 170 bis if the penal code for acting in a concerted way with the end goal of achieving through criminal ways the secession of the autonomy of Catalonia from Spain.
They also requested this crime be extended to people already processed for embezzlement, campaign requesting and acts to facilitate the celebration of the referendum
The investigation assures these people aided in the celebration of an act previously declared illegal, compromising public budget and disobeying the orders of the constitutional tribunal regarding these events
The electoral board has authorized the participation in electoral acts and interviews to politicians that are in prison, so now politicians behind bars will be allowed to hold interviews and hold video conferences from prison. We don't want your crimes of treason and murder to trouble your political career.
BASQUES
In a compound operation of the Civil guard and the interior department of security of France, Josu Ternera has been arrested. He was the previous political head of ETA
He was known as an integral part of the most bloody and criminal branch of ETA
He was one of the negotiators between the socialist government of 1986 and ETA, and in the year 1998, when there was a truce looking for negotiations, he was also the negotiator
He's under 4 legal cases, for which there are orders of search and capture emitted from Spain, that include crimes of collaboration with a terrorist organization, assassination and crimes against humanity
He's considered one of the authors of the car bombing against a police barrack in Zaragoza in 1987, with 11 deaths, 6 of them underage, and 88 wounded
He was never judged the two times he was summoned to declare before the supreme court.
He was sentenced in France in the year 1990 for crimes of terrorist integration, possession of weapons and explosives.
After fulfilling part of his sentence he was extradited to Spain 1996 to be investigated for the Socoa case for the same crimes judged in France
The second chamber of the supreme court later order his release due to him already having been judged for the same crime
He never showed up before the judge for the second calling and ran away instead in 2002
Later during 2008 he is named as the official representative of ETA to dialogue with the envoys of the then Spanish president Rodrigez Zapatero.
At this time it was a well known secret that the police new exactly where he was.
After all this time, he was detained and will be forced to do 8 years in prison in France
After his arrest in France, the pro-ETA party Sortu organized a homage in the Basques, with 500 people protesting in favor of the terrorist
Citizens responded with a trip to the native town of the terrorist to homage the victims of ETA
They later had to be escorted out for their security
Immediately after he was arrested, Basque politicians argued that he was a hero, which later had to explain due to outrage from the victims of the terrorism he caused.
ECONOMY
Bank Santander is firing 12% of their employees and is closing 25% of their branches, a total of 1900 branches and 5000 employees
They claim this is due to their purchase of Popular Bank and all its internal structure back in 2007 for the price of 1€ is forcing them to further regulate their employees
Spain's tax agency has a special message for all its subjects, if a businessman pays less in taxes than its competition, there might be the slight chance he might be committing tax fraud, so just to be safe, they are sending letters with suspicion about the ratio that reports the money paid in tribute by his company, and the money pay by its competition
This action is not unheard of from everyone's favorite public employees, however, this is the first time such action is being used to target small, local, and business that sell directly to the customer, instead of just the big guys exclusively.
An example, a hairdresser received one of these letters that noted he has paying 11% less than its competition and that its inconsistency constitutes a fiscal risk
SOCIETY
Manteros, Spanish name for people that sell in the street without license, often used by immigrants to sell goods illegally and without paying for any license, have decided to create a web page
http:// . manteros.org
Because why not, is not like any authority even tries to inconvenience the group
Now if you'll excuse me, I'll go looking for a place to emigrate in case the Catalans get pardon and this becomes a tambourine country.
The prosecution sees crimes of criminal organization in the acts carried out by the Catalan news TV, TV3, and the radio Catalonia Radio in the push of the 1st of October referendum and the consequent declaration of independence
The prosecution ask to add new charges against the people responsible of the Catalan audiovisual business already processed, as well as the directives of TV3, Catalonia radio and others.
In the document presented the prosecution argues there could be a possibility of a breach of article 170 bis if the penal code for acting in a concerted way with the end goal of achieving through criminal ways the secession of the autonomy of Catalonia from Spain.
They also requested this crime be extended to people already processed for embezzlement, campaign requesting and acts to facilitate the celebration of the referendum
The investigation assures these people aided in the celebration of an act previously declared illegal, compromising public budget and disobeying the orders of the constitutional tribunal regarding these events
The electoral board has authorized the participation in electoral acts and interviews to politicians that are in prison, so now politicians behind bars will be allowed to hold interviews and hold video conferences from prison. We don't want your crimes of treason and murder to trouble your political career.
BASQUES
In a compound operation of the Civil guard and the interior department of security of France, Josu Ternera has been arrested. He was the previous political head of ETA
He was known as an integral part of the most bloody and criminal branch of ETA
He was one of the negotiators between the socialist government of 1986 and ETA, and in the year 1998, when there was a truce looking for negotiations, he was also the negotiator
He's under 4 legal cases, for which there are orders of search and capture emitted from Spain, that include crimes of collaboration with a terrorist organization, assassination and crimes against humanity
He's considered one of the authors of the car bombing against a police barrack in Zaragoza in 1987, with 11 deaths, 6 of them underage, and 88 wounded
He was never judged the two times he was summoned to declare before the supreme court.
He was sentenced in France in the year 1990 for crimes of terrorist integration, possession of weapons and explosives.
After fulfilling part of his sentence he was extradited to Spain 1996 to be investigated for the Socoa case for the same crimes judged in France
The second chamber of the supreme court later order his release due to him already having been judged for the same crime
He never showed up before the judge for the second calling and ran away instead in 2002
Later during 2008 he is named as the official representative of ETA to dialogue with the envoys of the then Spanish president Rodrigez Zapatero.
At this time it was a well known secret that the police new exactly where he was.
After all this time, he was detained and will be forced to do 8 years in prison in France
After his arrest in France, the pro-ETA party Sortu organized a homage in the Basques, with 500 people protesting in favor of the terrorist
Citizens responded with a trip to the native town of the terrorist to homage the victims of ETA
They later had to be escorted out for their security
Immediately after he was arrested, Basque politicians argued that he was a hero, which later had to explain due to outrage from the victims of the terrorism he caused.
ECONOMY
Bank Santander is firing 12% of their employees and is closing 25% of their branches, a total of 1900 branches and 5000 employees
They claim this is due to their purchase of Popular Bank and all its internal structure back in 2007 for the price of 1€ is forcing them to further regulate their employees
Spain's tax agency has a special message for all its subjects, if a businessman pays less in taxes than its competition, there might be the slight chance he might be committing tax fraud, so just to be safe, they are sending letters with suspicion about the ratio that reports the money paid in tribute by his company, and the money pay by its competition
This action is not unheard of from everyone's favorite public employees, however, this is the first time such action is being used to target small, local, and business that sell directly to the customer, instead of just the big guys exclusively.
An example, a hairdresser received one of these letters that noted he has paying 11% less than its competition and that its inconsistency constitutes a fiscal risk
SOCIETY
Manteros, Spanish name for people that sell in the street without license, often used by immigrants to sell goods illegally and without paying for any license, have decided to create a web page
http:// . manteros.org
Because why not, is not like any authority even tries to inconvenience the group
Now if you'll excuse me, I'll go looking for a place to emigrate in case the Catalans get pardon and this becomes a tambourine country.
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