This is fantastic, i an't stop watching it.
>>247092>Yes, us Swedes have the moral right and justification to survive and the acts of others should not be considered in this pursuit.
I agree completely.
I'm attempting to read through everything in this thread, go through the factual claims, trying to discern what's claims and fact. It is difficult and some claims are read as baseless by me or irrelevant.
I'm fascinated by the discussion regarding how violent, sadistic, and characters of questionable moral fibre was considered. Just as I am interested in knowing how much genocidal intent there really was, and why such acts occurred if the military structure and authority were against wanton violence and strived to behave civilized.
If the Germans never intended an outright genocide, then why did it happen?
If the Germans were against the brutal and uncivilized treatment of prisoners then why did it happen?
If the Germans did intend to genocide the Jews, why did it happen?
How much guilt does the German have regarding the death of prisoners?
How much guilt can be put on the Allies?
It is close to impossible for me to sort the information and process it. Part of this is because I do not know where to find information that lacks political and identitarian considerations that the author/researcher allowed to affect their work. An example of this would be the works of Jared Diamond that are tinted by his anti-Western and anti-White sentiment, especially in 𝘎𝘶𝘯𝘴, 𝘎𝘦𝘳𝘮𝘴, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘚𝘵𝘦𝘦𝘭 where he argues Whites were lucky due to geography and largely discounts European intellectual efforts to strengthen his argument of muh magic soil.
I won't be able to post today it seems and I will have a hard time to really engage in this discussion. We will see though. I should be able post my own input tomorrow. My expertise is not in the holocaust so I might not be able to provide as in depth explaination as others who our better. Those exist since they actually have read books I haven't about the subject. But I will do what I can.
This is due to my approach to argumentation as I avoid basing my arguments on sources that are not common or shared by everyone. For example, historical, statistical, and scientific arguments are things I avoid using. It is nice knowing them but I don't use them. This is because people who don't know this knowledge can just dismiss them. Like the holocaust, for example, I am not afraid to say that I don't believe in it but I don't dvelve deeper into it than that. It is kinda distracting from the question at hand which is usually about our current situation.
I try to convince people through common sense and in extension logic so that everyone who hears
about it cannot deny it. Like a person can dismiss something because it comes from a certain place as a lie without even checking but, unless they are dishonest, they cannot rationalize a contradiction. Like, "If these immigrants are such a blessing, why are all the areas which they rule over turned to shit?", "If homosexuals are oppressed, we do they occupy every town in the entirety of Sweden each year?", and "Why is it that every western country has problems with black populations in their countries?" Of course some of these require a bit of knowledge regarding what people know. But I think most people know these days what damage the immigrants cause.
Anyway, I'll get back to you. Clearly, if I can write this much spontanously, I can write you a proper response. Just don't expect an awesome explaination for my standpoint since this is not my area of expertise. So I am sorry if I can't provide you with the knowledge or proof you are looking for but that is for the future to decide.
Redpill memes are all fine and good, but if you're looking for evidence - and if you're giving this a fair hearing you ought - then I'll re-emphasize the hdot.org link here >>218620
and the holocaust reprogramming course here >>222679
are two of your best bets.
The Holohoax is one of those things I disbelieve but do not start arguments over unless to provoke. There are a handy facts that put doubt into the official narrative; while I accept some Jews were killed (mainly because of subversive or criminal activities like sabotage in Slovakia, or because of some Hilfswilige who held a grudge) there's no reason to believe that the great bulk were treated any worse than Japanese-Americans were during the War. There's simply no real motive behind it: Jews by their own admission were a necessary labor component in industry-starved Germany and mass murder, especially in regards to claims that it had started while the Germans were still winning, doesn't make any sense. The Red Cross found no evidence of such things happening in Auschwitz of all places and according to official documents it seems that concentration camps were a temporary measure to prevent sabotage by Jewish operatives or pogroms/second Kristellnacht against Jewish communities.
Of course we've all seen the pictures of walking skeletons but that is a horror of war. The exact same thing happened in POW camps during the American Civil War because a complete collapse in supply lines led to severe shortages, and given the necessary choice you must feed the guards first.
However, I withhold former judgement until I actually peruse all important sources from both sides. Given that I'm not a historian and this is a monumental undertaking, that's not happening for many years. I don't consider it significant because 1) it's a very poor way to redpill people because of inherent sensitivity and the permanent tarnish being labeled a "denier" is, 2) it's easier to downplay its significance by pointing out equally bad or worse atrocities by the Soviets, Japanese, and even Western allies that have gone unpunished, and 3) the only people you can realistically discuss it with in a non-anonymous setting are already red-pilled or very
open-minded. Also, I don't consider myself a NatSoc and have other moral objections including economic policy, the anti-traditional nature of Lebensborn and Aktion T4 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4
). Ironically, things like Aktion T4 get (((ignored))) because they reduce the share of victimhood for Jews (just as how it's claimed six million Jews died out of 13.5 total victims, just so they're in the majority and get automatic consideration as the primary victims).
>>247121>and the permanent tarnish being labeled a "denier"
I prefer "debunker".
Thanks for your effort. >>247121
About what I do, I do not deny any of it in a general situation because the topic is very sensitive. Where I've found at least one open-minded I may if the topic is brought up naturally discuss the event and mention that the official figure is not supported by evidence. Another way I treat this historic event is to put it in a context or compare it to other atrocities; denying it outright is to label yourself as an undesirable. In this day and age, there are things you simply don't do. It doesn't benefit the wish to discuss the topic in a critical manner either. A stance that seems to nettle a few on the forum enough to treat me with condescension.
Never heard about Aktion T4 until now. Just reading about it gives me the chill. I can understand euthanasia for people who are terminally ill and suffering severely, but not for those with certain mental illnesses that can be cared for in institutions. This part of the population is vanishingly small and caring for them is hardly a bigger toll on the system than the criminal population with no such ailments.
I appreciate your position, and when people are presented with the idea that the Holocaust is a lie, their first reaction is to indicate that people did
die. There's no refuting that, the issue is painting the Nazis as deliberate and methodical exterminators who's sole intention was to kill as many of the Jews as possible. This myth persists to present day, and is used as the staple excuse to denounce any nationalist or white initiative worldwide. As though anyone who would have any racial pride - something that is encouraged in all races except
white - is out to murder another 6 gorrillion.
I found it
THE FUCKING VIDEO, I FOUND IT
I FOUND THE FUCKING VIDEO
I found the video, my guy!
wait clicked the wrong posthttps://www.bitchute.com/video/hmaoL2d88csM/
but this is the right video
Prepare for some reading material.https://carolynyeager.net/search-wwii-mass-graveshttps://furtherglory.wordpress.com/2012/09/26/the-story-of-viktor-frankl-a-famous-holocaust-survivor/
The jews have flaunted their impossible "millions of survivors", even going to so far as to publish their own numbers:https://isurvived.org/TOC-III.htmlhttps://www.holocausthandbooks.com/dl/26-tgv.pdf
#1: Other Losses: An Investigation into the Mass Deaths of German Prisoners at the Hands of the French and Americans After World War II
#2: Gruesome Harvest
#3: GERMANY’S WAR: The Origins, Aftermath & Atrocities of World War II
#4: The Assassination of James Forrestal
#5: Prolonging the Agony: How The Anglo-American Establishment Deliberately Extended WWI by Three-and-a-Half Years
#6: Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution: The Remarkable True Story of the American Capitalists Who Financed the Russian Communists
#7: Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History of How the U.S. Was Used to Create Israel
#8: 200 Years Together by Alexandr Solzhenitsyn. Not fully translated yet:https://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2010/06/13/kevin-macdonald-translation-of-solzhenitsyns-in-the-camps-of-gulag-chapter-20-of-200-years-together/
HAVE YOU SEEN THE FUCKING VIDEO YET?
Who could resist cunty insistence like that?
Christ, I need to stop saying cunty.
Sorry about being a cunt.
This is quite some information to go through. Thanks for all the information, I will try to discern what's an academic attempt to prove a claim apart from political and personal inclinations.
>>247809>academic attempt to prove a claim
Academic irrefutable evidence of a colossal fraud.>political and personal inclinations
Thirst for justice and truth.
Can someone post the equation with the ovens, and burntime?
I have them some where in my image gallery, but it should be somewhat near the beginning of the thread.
5 Rigbux says that if it is a mass grave >im-fucking-plying
then it was yet another made by the Soviet menace.
>>250986>mass grave fits in a 4.5 by 3.4 meter area
Truly proof of the renowned Nazi efficiency.
Theres a video called "one third of the Holocaust". It covers the camps that weren't Auschwitz. 4 hours, i remember it being decent. You should find it on bitchute and youtube.
Another interesting video, that isnt related to the Holocaust, but to the ostfront, made by the myth of the 20th century on bitchute
I know its unwise to reply to an old post like this. But i do wonder how this efficiency has taken place. There is no way i can think of where preheating simple ovens like that cause them to consume barely any fuel. I dont think energy consumption works like that, especially if you're on a time limit, and need to use temperatures hot enough to turn bone into ash. Sure a hot oven can start cooking faster, but thats because the oven itself has absorbed heat from the coke. Heat that has to be transferred to the body, or replenished by the coke.
Plus 2 bodies would take longer to cook wouldn't they? Less surface area would be touching the flames.
>>252787>But i do wonder how this efficiency has taken place
Any efficiency is possible when it is made up.
What made me really believe in the holocaust, was Himmler's posen speech.
Soap argument is personally my favorite. I wonder if (((they))) know it wasn't produced on a mass scale, wasn't made from camp prisoners bodies and it was just some kind of experiment produced in literally one laboratory? (((wikipedia))) may be not the best source but it explains everything.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soap_made_from_human_corpses
But even if what you say is true and it was all jewish lies then what about Poles? Did almost 2 millions of native polacks just killed themselves when the war started?
>>259722>But even if what you say is true and it was all jewish lies then what about Poles? Did almost 2 millions of native polacks just killed themselves when the war started?
I don't have the statistics on the subject but I would wager the primary causes for most Polish deaths were 1) Soviet occupation which was in half of what was then Poland due to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and which was even worse than Germany's, and 2) in the latter part of the war Poland was a warzone with all the hazards that entailed, including lack of basic necessities and rampaging Soviets. No doubt though that occupation under Germany was quite harsh as wartime occupations tend to be, particularly as focus on the Soviet front meant there was very little tolerance for being a thorn in the side.
Maybe you are right. For the victorious country partisans are nothing more but terrorists polnische banditen
but you cant justify all german war crimes like Wola massacre (40 000 civilians killed).
I'm not trying to derail this thread but even if hololol wasn't real it still doesn't prove Nazis were the good guys. Have you read about Hitler's plans for eastern europe?
And it's kinda funny that poles saved a lot of jews during wwii yet they still hate them. Are poles the ultimate cucks?
There are no good guys on a war, are there?
But there's a desired outcome, and a not so fortunate outcome.
What would have happened if hitler won? Hard to say, but his ideals and methods sure seem better than what wr got now.
The word holocaust
comes from Latin holocaustum
(which comes from Greek ὁλόκαυστος
Holocaustum literally mean "a burnt offering wholly consumed by fire" t. Wiktionary ( also https://archive.is/iD7zi
But a offering to whom??
Remember how the (((canaanites))) worshiped and sacrificed people
to one of their gods called Ba'al
("the Lord of flies" ( https://archive.is/azdbR
) Also, "the Lord of flies" might imply "Lord of filth" or similar?) There is a chapter in Book of Daniel that's found in the Greek Bible called "Bel
and the Dragon" ( https://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/bel001.htm
) I believe that the names Bel ("Lord") and Ba'al (also "Lord" https://archive.is/qGMYh
) and Moloch ( https://archive.is/aYJdT
) refer to the same god. Also the number 6
million can't be just another coincidence. Why they are insisting on that exact number? Likely because 6 is an important number in occult and in (((their))) prophesies ( https://archive.is/GnOkJ
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Show your flag you propaganda fellating dipshit. The implication of Baal being the (((lord of flies))) is solely due to early jews calling them "dung". Don't use biased judeo-cuckstain sources for your claims, either.