>The maker culture is a contemporary culture or subculture representing a technology-based extension of DIY culture[citation needed] that intersects with hacker culture (which is less concerned with physical objects as it focuses on software) and revels in the creation of new devices as well as tinkering with existing ones. The maker culture in general supports open-source hardware. Typical interests enjoyed by the maker culture include engineering-oriented pursuits such as electronics, robotics, 3-D printing, and the use of Computer Numeric Control tools, as well as more traditional activities such as metalworking, woodworking, and, mainly, its predecessor, the traditional arts and crafts. The subculture stresses a cut-and-paste approach to standardized hobbyist technologies, and encourages cookbook re-use of designs published on websites and maker-oriented publications.[1][2] There is a strong focus on using and learning practical skills and applying them to reference designs.[3]
The technology to build anything at home will soon be available to the average man. Very soon we will not need large companies for the goods we depend on. How is this going to change society and what are /mlpol/'s thoughts on the maker movement?
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The Maker Movement has been around since the 80's and was an important predecessor of the Steampunk subculture. It has grown in popularity since the rise of Youtube videos of making cool stuff.
>>146117
Watch as that technology becomes highly regulated due to people choosing to build weapons with it to go on killing sprees with.
Watch as that technology becomes highly regulated due to people choosing to build weapons with it to go on killing sprees with.
>>146127
>Watch as that technology becomes highly regulated due to people choosing to build weapons with it to go on killing sprees with.
Or some idiot prints a faulty car part. This is what I am most worried about. This technology may be seen as a threat by the powers that be.
>Watch as that technology becomes highly regulated due to people choosing to build weapons with it to go on killing sprees with.
Or some idiot prints a faulty car part. This is what I am most worried about. This technology may be seen as a threat by the powers that be.
>>146127
That shouldn't matter because at its heart the maker movement should be about fostering critical thinking and problem solving skills. Regulations historically aren't able to keep up with that kind of mindset. That's what a "maker movement" should be. I don't know how "maker movement" came to be the label for people that have no fucking clue how things work but they pushed a button and a 3D printer spat a thing out.
That shouldn't matter because at its heart the maker movement should be about fostering critical thinking and problem solving skills. Regulations historically aren't able to keep up with that kind of mindset. That's what a "maker movement" should be. I don't know how "maker movement" came to be the label for people that have no fucking clue how things work but they pushed a button and a 3D printer spat a thing out.
>>146141
You seem to be of the opinion that only intelligent, well rounded people will be making use of home manufacturing technology.
You seem to be of the opinion that only intelligent, well rounded people will be making use of home manufacturing technology.
>>146143
They'll be the only ones make anything new. The "push button, receive product" people are still just consumers.
They'll be the only ones make anything new. The "push button, receive product" people are still just consumers.
>>146144
Doesn't matter, the technology will likely become more and more regulated the minute an idiot uses it to pull some stupid shit. OP asked how home manufacturing technology will change society and I answered with the most likely outcome, which is regulation. The idiocy of a tiny subset is all that matters to lawmakers, hence why they rave on and on about gun control despite the statistics proving guns save more people than they kill when in the right hands.
Doesn't matter, the technology will likely become more and more regulated the minute an idiot uses it to pull some stupid shit. OP asked how home manufacturing technology will change society and I answered with the most likely outcome, which is regulation. The idiocy of a tiny subset is all that matters to lawmakers, hence why they rave on and on about gun control despite the statistics proving guns save more people than they kill when in the right hands.
>>146146
Regulation's not likely to be possible to stop anything unless if you ban 3D printers outright, which is unlikely. People will still be able to make gun parts really easily.
Regulation's not likely to be possible to stop anything unless if you ban 3D printers outright, which is unlikely. People will still be able to make gun parts really easily.
>>146148
Do you really, honestly think they wouldn't ban 3d printers? Or limit the materials you can use for it? Or the size of the printers you can buy?
>Someone, somewhere, sometime, might use this for crime, therefore it must be prevented at all costs, and I do mean all costs
This is the thought process of most people now, we have become hyper allergic to any form of risk. Reliant on pre-emptive action over coping action. It may be difficult to implement regulation, but far from impossible. After all, the bill of rights doesn't guarantee right to bear and use 3d printers, and that's in the freest country on earth.
Do you really, honestly think they wouldn't ban 3d printers? Or limit the materials you can use for it? Or the size of the printers you can buy?
>Someone, somewhere, sometime, might use this for crime, therefore it must be prevented at all costs, and I do mean all costs
This is the thought process of most people now, we have become hyper allergic to any form of risk. Reliant on pre-emptive action over coping action. It may be difficult to implement regulation, but far from impossible. After all, the bill of rights doesn't guarantee right to bear and use 3d printers, and that's in the freest country on earth.
So long as they meet local fire safety regulations, I encourage them to make do with their own property.
>>146151
How are they going to enforce it? Go to each citizen's home and make sure they don't have one of those nasty 3D printers?
If 3D printers are banned some people would smuggle them in and others would build their own. You cannot stop technology.
How are they going to enforce it? Go to each citizen's home and make sure they don't have one of those nasty 3D printers?
If 3D printers are banned some people would smuggle them in and others would build their own. You cannot stop technology.
>>146151
Are we talking about 3D printers or makers? Because makers can make a firearm and explosives from a simple trip to the department store. 3D printers are not central to makers at all.
Are we talking about 3D printers or makers? Because makers can make a firearm and explosives from a simple trip to the department store. 3D printers are not central to makers at all.
>>146154
Enforcement is kind of irrelevant to the point, regulation will enter into it sooner or later regardless of how we deal with that regulation. That's pretty much all there is to it. Also a slight decrease in profit margins across a number of businesses that manufacture lifestyle items and such and an increase in profit for those who provide the materials for people who make that stuff themselves.
>>146155
3D printers came up and I just focused on that as an example. For the maker movement specifically, I doubt anything would change much in the short term. The average person doesn't have a lot of time to learn how to make their own stuff and it can be costly to get started with the equipment you need to make more complex objects. People are extraordinarily lazy and would default to buying their shit off other people despite knowing the benefits of making it yourself.
As anon said at the start of the thread, decentralisation, there'd be plenty of money to be made for those with the know-how and the equipment to make stuff for people without. It'd be slow going to start with since there's, oddly enough, more trust in brand items than independently made ones.
Enforcement is kind of irrelevant to the point, regulation will enter into it sooner or later regardless of how we deal with that regulation. That's pretty much all there is to it. Also a slight decrease in profit margins across a number of businesses that manufacture lifestyle items and such and an increase in profit for those who provide the materials for people who make that stuff themselves.
>>146155
3D printers came up and I just focused on that as an example. For the maker movement specifically, I doubt anything would change much in the short term. The average person doesn't have a lot of time to learn how to make their own stuff and it can be costly to get started with the equipment you need to make more complex objects. People are extraordinarily lazy and would default to buying their shit off other people despite knowing the benefits of making it yourself.
As anon said at the start of the thread, decentralisation, there'd be plenty of money to be made for those with the know-how and the equipment to make stuff for people without. It'd be slow going to start with since there's, oddly enough, more trust in brand items than independently made ones.
>>146151
>ban 3d printers? Or limit the materials you can use for it? Or the size of the printers you can buy?
They would have to ban then outright. There will be guides on how to make them bigger or on how to make filaments from different materials.
>ban 3d printers? Or limit the materials you can use for it? Or the size of the printers you can buy?
They would have to ban then outright. There will be guides on how to make them bigger or on how to make filaments from different materials.
>>146121
>decentralizes innovation
This is honestly a million more times important then production. And the best part is its just around the corner. Actually we are all on the cutting edge of it. Which when you think about it puts perspective into our funposting.
>decentralizes innovation
This is honestly a million more times important then production. And the best part is its just around the corner. Actually we are all on the cutting edge of it. Which when you think about it puts perspective into our funposting.
>>146157
There are lots of guides on how to do a lot of things that people should do, but don't. All regulation starts with registration, they wouldn't kick off with a ban at first, just identify who has one and build on it from there. Nothing would axe it entirely, for sure, but it can be stifled, and I fear it will be because of how easy it is to make a lot of people afraid of "consequences" which then makes them more compliant with regulating anything just to avoid the possibility of anything bad happening.
There are lots of guides on how to do a lot of things that people should do, but don't. All regulation starts with registration, they wouldn't kick off with a ban at first, just identify who has one and build on it from there. Nothing would axe it entirely, for sure, but it can be stifled, and I fear it will be because of how easy it is to make a lot of people afraid of "consequences" which then makes them more compliant with regulating anything just to avoid the possibility of anything bad happening.
>>146159
If it gets to the point where 3d printers can be made by people with 3d printers then the regulators will lose.
If it gets to the point where 3d printers can be made by people with 3d printers then the regulators will lose.
>>146160
It would be treated like any other contraband, which would stifle the best of its uses and benefits and not result in people immediately giving up in trying to regulate it.
It would be treated like any other contraband, which would stifle the best of its uses and benefits and not result in people immediately giving up in trying to regulate it.
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>>146117
>Very soon we will not need large companies for the goods we depend on.
Uhh, anon, you forgot about the big data trend of late. Large companies have massive amounts of information needed to power the neural network systems used in the most sophisticated algorithms of late, such as voice and face recognition and the computer power to simulate billions of cases and their ground truths in order to build such models.
And the Internet of Things trend, even though gives some power to the average Joe to build something very sophisticated, many of these things need to connect to Internet. Look at the Amazon Alexa projects for example.
>Very soon we will not need large companies for the goods we depend on.
Uhh, anon, you forgot about the big data trend of late. Large companies have massive amounts of information needed to power the neural network systems used in the most sophisticated algorithms of late, such as voice and face recognition and the computer power to simulate billions of cases and their ground truths in order to build such models.
And the Internet of Things trend, even though gives some power to the average Joe to build something very sophisticated, many of these things need to connect to Internet. Look at the Amazon Alexa projects for example.
>technology to build anything!
I have a pair of hands. I already have that, and they work a hell of a lot better than the shit work that is done in those makerspaces.
>maker
I'm a fucking artist and tradesman, not a damned "Maker". Bunch of faggots in the worst of way.
I have a pair of hands. I already have that, and they work a hell of a lot better than the shit work that is done in those makerspaces.
>maker
I'm a fucking artist and tradesman, not a damned "Maker". Bunch of faggots in the worst of way.
>>148216
>Bunch of faggots in the worst of way.
Certainly there are worse faggots out there anon. At least these people are trying to do something productive.
>Bunch of faggots in the worst of way.
Certainly there are worse faggots out there anon. At least these people are trying to do something productive.
>>148216
I kind of agree with >>148221. I get having pride in your craftsmanship but not everyone can do stuff like that, it's why we live in a consumer society in the first place. I can do all sorts of cool shit with a computer but about all I can make using my hands and some wood is maybe a lopsided shelf or two. If you need a new dresser or cabinet or something and you can just go to your garage and make one I have nothing but respect and envy; however I think the average person in this day and age just goes to WalMart or IKEA or wherever and buys one. 3D printers and such make it possible for the average person to produce things on their own without needing a huge amount of knowledge, and it gives people who may not be comfortable designing and constructing things from scratch but are maybe comfortable messing with downloaded 3D models in a computer environment the ability to custom-build their own semi-original house/furniture/whatever. I think the point is mainly that this technology can potentially eliminate or reduce the average person's dependency on mass-produced goods and is a step towards eventual self-sufficiency.
I kind of agree with >>148221. I get having pride in your craftsmanship but not everyone can do stuff like that, it's why we live in a consumer society in the first place. I can do all sorts of cool shit with a computer but about all I can make using my hands and some wood is maybe a lopsided shelf or two. If you need a new dresser or cabinet or something and you can just go to your garage and make one I have nothing but respect and envy; however I think the average person in this day and age just goes to WalMart or IKEA or wherever and buys one. 3D printers and such make it possible for the average person to produce things on their own without needing a huge amount of knowledge, and it gives people who may not be comfortable designing and constructing things from scratch but are maybe comfortable messing with downloaded 3D models in a computer environment the ability to custom-build their own semi-original house/furniture/whatever. I think the point is mainly that this technology can potentially eliminate or reduce the average person's dependency on mass-produced goods and is a step towards eventual self-sufficiency.
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