We're all familiar with secret societies on the Left who have worked tirelessly to undermine the West. The Freemasons, Illuminati, and the Fabians were all secret or semi-secret brotherhoods that advocated a distinctly leftist ideology and infiltrated the ranks of government, academia, and media at the highest levels. There are similar groups today in the form of the Skull & Bones, Bilderberg, and the Bohemian Grove.
We have been struggling to reclaim our cultures and homelands from such pernicious influences. However, generally we operate through grassroots organizations and in the open, directly in contrast to the progressive, big government, satanist pedophiles.
My question is, is it practical to establish a covert organization where members know each other personally, knowledge of membership is kept to a bare minimum, meetings are personal and secretive, and members infiltrate important organizations? Activities could include leaking files, spreading disinformation, and co-opting groups. I avoid the term "secret society" because such groups are explicitly forbidden by the Catholic Church, and if it were a Christian organization dedicated to rekindle Christianity it would be beholden to answer to the highest ecclesiastical authority if directly asked.
What would the practical ramifications be? Could using the Left's tactics of infiltration and subversion be effective? It would naturally require a large pool of financial and intellectual manpower and even in a small group keeping defection from occurring may be difficult.
"Opus Dei" may already be such an organization but I am unaware whether they do anything like actively infiltrate. If there are any other right-wing hidden groups I am unaware of them.
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P2 in Italy was an example of such an organization and the almost managed to take over the entire government. It can be done.
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>>114299
The problem I personally have with possible secret right wing groups would be we would never know if they are fully one our side. Corruption and takeover by leftist groups would be a major problem that we could be completely oblivious to until it is too late. The group could start out on our side, then over the years it could betray us and become just like the other societies.
This wouldn’t be much of a problem with a group of already close friends, but who do you really trust when you seek to expand your ranks to get more things accomplished? Leftist don’t have much trouble as they use bribery, blackmail, and “suiciding” the ones that threaten the cause or step out of line. What would right wing groups use to keep such problems at bay? I will argue we couldn’t use the same tactics, even if it wasn’t a moral problem to begin with, because such groups wouldn’t have the large connections to hide evidence and tie up loose ends or the resources to keep things in order.
The leftist secret societies also have one advantage: a unified ideology. They most often require a belief in a god to enter, at which point they start to twist your beliefs into a satanic religion. This helps to unify them in thought. Our groups seem a little split between atheism, agnosticism, and Christianity. The infighting between the choices such a group would have to make would be challenging, but amoral people in the cults have little infighting and a unified goal: our destruction for their benefit.
The problem I personally have with possible secret right wing groups would be we would never know if they are fully one our side. Corruption and takeover by leftist groups would be a major problem that we could be completely oblivious to until it is too late. The group could start out on our side, then over the years it could betray us and become just like the other societies.
This wouldn’t be much of a problem with a group of already close friends, but who do you really trust when you seek to expand your ranks to get more things accomplished? Leftist don’t have much trouble as they use bribery, blackmail, and “suiciding” the ones that threaten the cause or step out of line. What would right wing groups use to keep such problems at bay? I will argue we couldn’t use the same tactics, even if it wasn’t a moral problem to begin with, because such groups wouldn’t have the large connections to hide evidence and tie up loose ends or the resources to keep things in order.
The leftist secret societies also have one advantage: a unified ideology. They most often require a belief in a god to enter, at which point they start to twist your beliefs into a satanic religion. This helps to unify them in thought. Our groups seem a little split between atheism, agnosticism, and Christianity. The infighting between the choices such a group would have to make would be challenging, but amoral people in the cults have little infighting and a unified goal: our destruction for their benefit.
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>>114310
I agree. The important thing about such a group is that it must never place the group above the purpose, if that's understandable. To rekindle Christian traditionalism and ethno-nationalism could not be forgotten and so each new member would have to be rigorously tested for fidelity.
Considering that the Left holds power over the main pillars of society and most Western governments, any sort of activity that destabilizes these, such as leaking info, propaganda, and subversion, would probably lead to a witch-hunt for right-wing "subversive elements." As a result no one member could know the complete membership roster (if that's possible to organize) and everyone would need to understand getting caught would mean self-imposed exile under a new identity (at best) or torture and death (at worst). Also, because the government monitors communication to the extent even supposedly secure methods are compromised, meetings would need to be personal in an obscure, untapped location and communication limited to coded letters.
And no, every member would have to be a baptized Christian that understands Christian tenets. This is necessary as a secular group is more at risk because people with temporal self-interest are more at risk of betrayal than those who believe in an eternal reward (sorry, atheists). Also, loyalty to God is a benchmark that exceeds mere ideological following, which can change with opinion. Even so, one couldn't be too careful. Even the Apostles were betrayed by Judas.
I agree. The important thing about such a group is that it must never place the group above the purpose, if that's understandable. To rekindle Christian traditionalism and ethno-nationalism could not be forgotten and so each new member would have to be rigorously tested for fidelity.
Considering that the Left holds power over the main pillars of society and most Western governments, any sort of activity that destabilizes these, such as leaking info, propaganda, and subversion, would probably lead to a witch-hunt for right-wing "subversive elements." As a result no one member could know the complete membership roster (if that's possible to organize) and everyone would need to understand getting caught would mean self-imposed exile under a new identity (at best) or torture and death (at worst). Also, because the government monitors communication to the extent even supposedly secure methods are compromised, meetings would need to be personal in an obscure, untapped location and communication limited to coded letters.
And no, every member would have to be a baptized Christian that understands Christian tenets. This is necessary as a secular group is more at risk because people with temporal self-interest are more at risk of betrayal than those who believe in an eternal reward (sorry, atheists). Also, loyalty to God is a benchmark that exceeds mere ideological following, which can change with opinion. Even so, one couldn't be too careful. Even the Apostles were betrayed by Judas.
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>>114299
You're avoiding the term "secret society" because the very aim is to subvert people's beliefs with underhanded tactics. This is morally wrong, it makes us no better than the organisations we're fighting against if we stoop to their level. We don't need their strategies, we don't need to disguise ourselves from our fellow man, if we cannot trust in the strength of our truth under the light, then it deserves to whither in the dark. Our fellow men are not hapless sheep to be manipulated as decided by a few, they are human beings. Our fellows and equals, all we have to do is keep doing what we've been doing, show them the truth and offer them the choice the left will not.
Never forget that they formed secret societies and used these strategies because people could not be swayed directly.
You're avoiding the term "secret society" because the very aim is to subvert people's beliefs with underhanded tactics. This is morally wrong, it makes us no better than the organisations we're fighting against if we stoop to their level. We don't need their strategies, we don't need to disguise ourselves from our fellow man, if we cannot trust in the strength of our truth under the light, then it deserves to whither in the dark. Our fellow men are not hapless sheep to be manipulated as decided by a few, they are human beings. Our fellows and equals, all we have to do is keep doing what we've been doing, show them the truth and offer them the choice the left will not.
Never forget that they formed secret societies and used these strategies because people could not be swayed directly.
>>114299
Opus Dei is a bastardized pig-latin term that shoehorns in this meaning: '(we) the owners of god'. It is a jewISH run committee stemming from the Knights of Malta Agreement, or the 1642 Agreement as it is known legally, which owns the following: the "Jesuits", the "Mormons", the "Seventh Day Adventists", the "Pentecostal Evangelicals", all "holy roller" inspired churches, as well as the entire orthodox catholic church.
>>114310
>The leftist secret societies also have one advantage: a unified ideology
This is false. Nearly all religious institutions, societies, and organizations have been co-opted or entirely infiltrated by jewISH parasites since the early 1300's. If they are not entirely owned by shekelbergs, they are controlled by the same.
>>114563
The unspoken error here is that "morality" is not a religious idea in the first place. Your use of "amoral" is a jewISH doublethink slur disguised as a logical fallacy: "oh but you CAN'T be a good person if you don't believe in a perfectly deity that we've made for you to believe in, goy!" Your christianity is an apocalyptic doom cult created by syncreticism of Egyptian prophets along with the very concept of "relics"; Buddhist scriptures that made their way to Rome & Greece; Phoenician magi, also known as magicians and sorcerers; and local pre-islamic superstitions based in deeply rooted superstitions. Likewise, do NOT forget that the whole of European christianity has been entirely infiltrated by jews whom utterly believe in the taqiyya, which is part of a greatly cut down talmudic phrase lost to antiquity; it essentially means that a jewISH person has an inviolable right to lie, deceive, subvert, and kill any non-jew for the goal of (worldly) domination.
Opus Dei is a bastardized pig-latin term that shoehorns in this meaning: '(we) the owners of god'. It is a jewISH run committee stemming from the Knights of Malta Agreement, or the 1642 Agreement as it is known legally, which owns the following: the "Jesuits", the "Mormons", the "Seventh Day Adventists", the "Pentecostal Evangelicals", all "holy roller" inspired churches, as well as the entire orthodox catholic church.
>>114310
>The leftist secret societies also have one advantage: a unified ideology
This is false. Nearly all religious institutions, societies, and organizations have been co-opted or entirely infiltrated by jewISH parasites since the early 1300's. If they are not entirely owned by shekelbergs, they are controlled by the same.
>>114563
The unspoken error here is that "morality" is not a religious idea in the first place. Your use of "amoral" is a jewISH doublethink slur disguised as a logical fallacy: "oh but you CAN'T be a good person if you don't believe in a perfectly deity that we've made for you to believe in, goy!" Your christianity is an apocalyptic doom cult created by syncreticism of Egyptian prophets along with the very concept of "relics"; Buddhist scriptures that made their way to Rome & Greece; Phoenician magi, also known as magicians and sorcerers; and local pre-islamic superstitions based in deeply rooted superstitions. Likewise, do NOT forget that the whole of European christianity has been entirely infiltrated by jews whom utterly believe in the taqiyya, which is part of a greatly cut down talmudic phrase lost to antiquity; it essentially means that a jewISH person has an inviolable right to lie, deceive, subvert, and kill any non-jew for the goal of (worldly) domination.
>>114299
We will not stoop to their level. We will, and must, tear these organizations down from their very roots, and scatter them to the winds.
If one thing has been made clear to me, it's that we are on the side of truth. Our enemies lie because they fear us, and they fear the truth because they know who is right. When the people know the truth, when they know who has been behind everything, that is when they turn to us, those who have known from the very beginning.
We will not stoop to their level. We will, and must, tear these organizations down from their very roots, and scatter them to the winds.
If one thing has been made clear to me, it's that we are on the side of truth. Our enemies lie because they fear us, and they fear the truth because they know who is right. When the people know the truth, when they know who has been behind everything, that is when they turn to us, those who have known from the very beginning.
>>114763
>your Christianity is an apocalyptic doom cult
Then why do (((they))) seek to remove Christian teaching globally and teach evolution/atheism with a "healthy" liberal dose of tolerance to every other religious ideology? The jews fear Christian teachings. Why devote time, energy, and resources to destroy something that is already overtaken or aiding you?
>"but you can't be a good person if you don't believe" good goy
Then how come our society, which is rejecting Christianity as moral grounds, is not forming moral codes, but rather destroying and questioning them? The gay movement was welcomed by "free thinking" peoples not tied to such things as religion. The nuclear family, set up in religion such as Christianity, is largely rejected by atheists. Soviet Russia, which was largely controlled by the jews, hated Christian teachings and promoted atheism.
I can't claim that all atheists are this way, but I can point out that the ones in power like atheism a whole lot better that Christianity. Food for thought.
>your Christianity is an apocalyptic doom cult
Then why do (((they))) seek to remove Christian teaching globally and teach evolution/atheism with a "healthy" liberal dose of tolerance to every other religious ideology? The jews fear Christian teachings. Why devote time, energy, and resources to destroy something that is already overtaken or aiding you?
>"but you can't be a good person if you don't believe" good goy
Then how come our society, which is rejecting Christianity as moral grounds, is not forming moral codes, but rather destroying and questioning them? The gay movement was welcomed by "free thinking" peoples not tied to such things as religion. The nuclear family, set up in religion such as Christianity, is largely rejected by atheists. Soviet Russia, which was largely controlled by the jews, hated Christian teachings and promoted atheism.
I can't claim that all atheists are this way, but I can point out that the ones in power like atheism a whole lot better that Christianity. Food for thought.
All these groups rely on physical proximity atleast in founding.
It has to be personal to a certain extend.
What comes closest to that would be some encrypted site but that has still a lot of issues like security and selection of members.
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
But that doesn't need to be a cult.
Fight the good fight and try not to act against other grassroots and go from there. If you find companions on the way then that is the way to go.
It has to be personal to a certain extend.
What comes closest to that would be some encrypted site but that has still a lot of issues like security and selection of members.
"Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has."
But that doesn't need to be a cult.
Fight the good fight and try not to act against other grassroots and go from there. If you find companions on the way then that is the way to go.
Season8 will be full blown SJW propaganda, this will be the death of the show alone.
>>114799
The jewISH do not fear christianity at all, rather, they loathe it as christianity was based off their own insane desert dwelling blood-cult, which to both sides makes the other "heresy", an unfortunately descriptive non-word. The entirety of christianity and it's schisms, factions, doctrines, etc., were used throughout the 600's to the current day to create as many vectors for infiltration as possible. Historically it was not possible to fully enslave goyim as christianity spread too quickly and did not fragment enough to fully control each society it reached. There is a term at work here called a "mind virus". It is my suggestion you understand that term and it's connotations to this.
Each of the problems you are referring to are a result of judaic athiesm circa: Marx, Nietchze, Freud, Trotsky, and many, many more. Those are NOT classical athiesm, which held that humans are as much animals as they are spiritual beings and have the right to dictate "morals" as a personal belief, nor is it republic athiesm, which states that if there are deities then humans have the right to accept and acknowledge them instead of being forced to "respect their existence" in a social culture, and for sure isn't necessary athiesm, where an individual isn't bound to the edicts of robber-kings and bandit-priests of an established spiritual paradigm.
You refer to the "nuclear family". That was an attempt to stabilize a crippled post-war economy, AND distract it from the jewISH realpolitik that led to WW2 by flooding it with avenues of entertainment: televised sports, movies, pornography, serial television shows, radio, and theater works, all backed up by the same political jewISH owned industries that would exponentially expand. While it did create a new market and thus an acceptance of "consumer culture", that effort solved solved nothing, yet on the other side it provided implementation of further infiltration through those same works. Nearly all Hollywood founders, owners, and many actors, particularly in the porn industry, are either jewISH or have a jewISH spouse. The irony.
The jewISH do not fear christianity at all, rather, they loathe it as christianity was based off their own insane desert dwelling blood-cult, which to both sides makes the other "heresy", an unfortunately descriptive non-word. The entirety of christianity and it's schisms, factions, doctrines, etc., were used throughout the 600's to the current day to create as many vectors for infiltration as possible. Historically it was not possible to fully enslave goyim as christianity spread too quickly and did not fragment enough to fully control each society it reached. There is a term at work here called a "mind virus". It is my suggestion you understand that term and it's connotations to this.
Each of the problems you are referring to are a result of judaic athiesm circa: Marx, Nietchze, Freud, Trotsky, and many, many more. Those are NOT classical athiesm, which held that humans are as much animals as they are spiritual beings and have the right to dictate "morals" as a personal belief, nor is it republic athiesm, which states that if there are deities then humans have the right to accept and acknowledge them instead of being forced to "respect their existence" in a social culture, and for sure isn't necessary athiesm, where an individual isn't bound to the edicts of robber-kings and bandit-priests of an established spiritual paradigm.
You refer to the "nuclear family". That was an attempt to stabilize a crippled post-war economy, AND distract it from the jewISH realpolitik that led to WW2 by flooding it with avenues of entertainment: televised sports, movies, pornography, serial television shows, radio, and theater works, all backed up by the same political jewISH owned industries that would exponentially expand. While it did create a new market and thus an acceptance of "consumer culture", that effort solved solved nothing, yet on the other side it provided implementation of further infiltration through those same works. Nearly all Hollywood founders, owners, and many actors, particularly in the porn industry, are either jewISH or have a jewISH spouse. The irony.
>>115627
This goes way over my head. Not sure if that means I’m dumb, or your over complicating it. You claim Christianity is mind control, yet schools teach atheistic schools of thought side by side with Marxist propaganda. That a belief in God is outdated. Atheism seems as much mind control now. The lack of a god has kept morals from being implemented better, not enforce them. If we didn’t need a belief system like Christianity, why are things getting worse in simple moral situations? Take for example: should people be free to speak their minds? Atheism, which is now a large school of thought now, does not effectively teach the critical thinking needed to implement morals to the students learning it to solve this simple question. Instead, the mainly atheistic students believe that free speech is dangerous and must be limited. The mind control seems to continue regardless of a belief system. Lead atheists today are left leaning. To argue that Christianity is a jewish ploy to control is as ridiculous sounding to me as you hearing it argued that atheism as a whole is a jewish ploy to completely destroy the moral fiber of the whole world.
You really go over my head with the nuclear family bit. Explain how the basic family unit, father, mother, children, is made up post war. Am I just not getting it? The family existed way before any great wars of history. Are you saying it was built to be exploited, or that it is now after these wars? I’m just plain lost. Again, believing in no moral absolutes, because only individuals or society may judge morals, we have shifted our moral code to accept gays, transgenders, and soon other horrors that destroy our families that would be better rejected by a system of moral belief like Christianity. Yes, jews have infiltrated Christianity and have taught that there is nothing wrong with accepting these people. If the people would wake up and read what they say they believe in, then we would be a whole lot better off as gays were basically nuked from orbit in Sodom and Gomorrah by God to show he doesn’t much care for that. I may be wrong, but don’t most atheists accept or even promote gay lifestyles? More of that hard reasoning skill shaping the morals of a society at work am I right? Human reason will always fail one way or another. We aren’t perfect and our morals won’t be either if we put our trust in the shifting sands so to speak.
>heresy is a non-word
Kek. Just think about that. You used the word. The fact that the word was made to describe what is seen doesn’t mean it isn’t a word. What is a quark? A subatomic particle. Was that originally a word or did we need a new word to effectively describe what we have seen? P.S. “mind virus” is just a meme by definition. Memes spread like a virus, spreading ideas from mind to mind. Are you implying that jews were the among the first meme magicians?
And one more thing. If Christianity is just mind control for the jews so they can have a gorzillion tactical entry points, why go throughout history in conflict? Christians and jews killed each other. If they were pawns from the very beginning, why kill your tatical advantages? Oh, and the Bible warns about jewish takeover of the churches. Why would the tactical advantage want to stop the jews they work for? Sounds like a dumb thing to do, but that’s just me.
This goes way over my head. Not sure if that means I’m dumb, or your over complicating it. You claim Christianity is mind control, yet schools teach atheistic schools of thought side by side with Marxist propaganda. That a belief in God is outdated. Atheism seems as much mind control now. The lack of a god has kept morals from being implemented better, not enforce them. If we didn’t need a belief system like Christianity, why are things getting worse in simple moral situations? Take for example: should people be free to speak their minds? Atheism, which is now a large school of thought now, does not effectively teach the critical thinking needed to implement morals to the students learning it to solve this simple question. Instead, the mainly atheistic students believe that free speech is dangerous and must be limited. The mind control seems to continue regardless of a belief system. Lead atheists today are left leaning. To argue that Christianity is a jewish ploy to control is as ridiculous sounding to me as you hearing it argued that atheism as a whole is a jewish ploy to completely destroy the moral fiber of the whole world.
You really go over my head with the nuclear family bit. Explain how the basic family unit, father, mother, children, is made up post war. Am I just not getting it? The family existed way before any great wars of history. Are you saying it was built to be exploited, or that it is now after these wars? I’m just plain lost. Again, believing in no moral absolutes, because only individuals or society may judge morals, we have shifted our moral code to accept gays, transgenders, and soon other horrors that destroy our families that would be better rejected by a system of moral belief like Christianity. Yes, jews have infiltrated Christianity and have taught that there is nothing wrong with accepting these people. If the people would wake up and read what they say they believe in, then we would be a whole lot better off as gays were basically nuked from orbit in Sodom and Gomorrah by God to show he doesn’t much care for that. I may be wrong, but don’t most atheists accept or even promote gay lifestyles? More of that hard reasoning skill shaping the morals of a society at work am I right? Human reason will always fail one way or another. We aren’t perfect and our morals won’t be either if we put our trust in the shifting sands so to speak.
>heresy is a non-word
Kek. Just think about that. You used the word. The fact that the word was made to describe what is seen doesn’t mean it isn’t a word. What is a quark? A subatomic particle. Was that originally a word or did we need a new word to effectively describe what we have seen? P.S. “mind virus” is just a meme by definition. Memes spread like a virus, spreading ideas from mind to mind. Are you implying that jews were the among the first meme magicians?
And one more thing. If Christianity is just mind control for the jews so they can have a gorzillion tactical entry points, why go throughout history in conflict? Christians and jews killed each other. If they were pawns from the very beginning, why kill your tatical advantages? Oh, and the Bible warns about jewish takeover of the churches. Why would the tactical advantage want to stop the jews they work for? Sounds like a dumb thing to do, but that’s just me.
>>114799
>>115627
>>115717
Anons, this isn't a religious debate thread, take it somewhere else. I mentioned allowing only Christians because it allows a genuine alignment of principles (other than pure ideology) and reduces the chance of infiltration by Freemasons and the like. If you have a better idea, feel free to pitch it.
>>115563
If the founder is wealthy and well-connected, it could be possible to find others in places of influence who have sympathies and share similar goals in mind. Even if these could not be brought wholly in the cause, friends of the founder who are in the group could enter public organizations and help steer them. These individuals would have to meet up personally every few months at a private, secure location to discuss plans. Even secure communications like TOR and I2P could not be trusted; any sort of long-distance communication would need to be heavily restrained and contain a plethora of code words.
>>115627
>>115717
Anons, this isn't a religious debate thread, take it somewhere else. I mentioned allowing only Christians because it allows a genuine alignment of principles (other than pure ideology) and reduces the chance of infiltration by Freemasons and the like. If you have a better idea, feel free to pitch it.
>>115563
If the founder is wealthy and well-connected, it could be possible to find others in places of influence who have sympathies and share similar goals in mind. Even if these could not be brought wholly in the cause, friends of the founder who are in the group could enter public organizations and help steer them. These individuals would have to meet up personally every few months at a private, secure location to discuss plans. Even secure communications like TOR and I2P could not be trusted; any sort of long-distance communication would need to be heavily restrained and contain a plethora of code words.
>>114299
>highest ecclesiastical authority
No church,nor man living or dead, nor beast is higher than God. God is the Father, God is the Son and the Spirit. If we answer to anyone then it be to him.
In the days of the end Christians will be hunted, murdered and killed. They will be forced to side with the devil or forced to live in the shadows where the holy doctrine will surely have them killed if caught possessing.
There were many orders that were founded, led by not the pope nor of man but by God himself. From King Arthur to the Knights Templar. The Templars were hunted down and killed for the fear of their influence. If any group should be revived it should be the Templars.
>highest ecclesiastical authority
No church,nor man living or dead, nor beast is higher than God. God is the Father, God is the Son and the Spirit. If we answer to anyone then it be to him.
In the days of the end Christians will be hunted, murdered and killed. They will be forced to side with the devil or forced to live in the shadows where the holy doctrine will surely have them killed if caught possessing.
There were many orders that were founded, led by not the pope nor of man but by God himself. From King Arthur to the Knights Templar. The Templars were hunted down and killed for the fear of their influence. If any group should be revived it should be the Templars.
>>115887
There are many groups that aspire to the name of "Knights Templar," including the Freemasons themselves. Perhaps the most authentic of such groups is https://knightstemplarinternational.com/. Rather go into competition for a name just for a bit of mystique, it is better to start afresh.
There are many groups that aspire to the name of "Knights Templar," including the Freemasons themselves. Perhaps the most authentic of such groups is https://knightstemplarinternational.com/. Rather go into competition for a name just for a bit of mystique, it is better to start afresh.
>>115892
The groups though seem to take the name only not the actual commitment to the original group or what it meant. Take for example the link that you gave, it seems like a pyramid scheme where members would have to continually pay out to keep their "Knight" status. It seems a bit fishy and then what are they indeed doing? I would have to look more into it.
However, the only other group that have predated the Templars were the Knights of the Round Table. Both groups swore to God and both groups sought out to keep the holy relics away from the wicked. I sort of like to think that the Knights of the Round Table evolved into the Templars or was inspired by.
The thing is that no matter what name we choose, we are all still Knights under God. To stop the incursion, the blasphemy and heathenism that threatens our brethren.
The groups though seem to take the name only not the actual commitment to the original group or what it meant. Take for example the link that you gave, it seems like a pyramid scheme where members would have to continually pay out to keep their "Knight" status. It seems a bit fishy and then what are they indeed doing? I would have to look more into it.
However, the only other group that have predated the Templars were the Knights of the Round Table. Both groups swore to God and both groups sought out to keep the holy relics away from the wicked. I sort of like to think that the Knights of the Round Table evolved into the Templars or was inspired by.
The thing is that no matter what name we choose, we are all still Knights under God. To stop the incursion, the blasphemy and heathenism that threatens our brethren.
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