Why do you support or oppose someone using weed to get themself high?
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it's degenerate but preferable to other more lethal addictive drugs. Natsoc/fascism would probably ban it and that'd make sense for them, but if we're aiming for a more libertarian or capitalist society it'd make sense to allow it.
>>112276
The "duuuuuuuude weeeeeeeeeeeeed bro" stones in high school and college were so obnoxious that I now oppose their drug purely out of spite.
The "duuuuuuuude weeeeeeeeeeeeed bro" stones in high school and college were so obnoxious that I now oppose their drug purely out of spite.
>>112276
If it was legalized and the state earned revenue on the sale I say go for it. But as it is in most countries where criminal networks rake in millions upon billions in revenue the sellers should be vigorously perused. Going after users is the easy way to police it, but the criminal networks don't loose from it. So I am more inclined to legalize and get it into orderly forms because ridding the world of it is a futile battle I think. Growing your own would perhaps be the preferable way to do it, allow people to have a set number of plants they are allowed to own. That being said you should not smoke weed as it will make you apathetic, less likely to do stuff and it will make you docile.
>>112277
>>112279
Also this
If it was legalized and the state earned revenue on the sale I say go for it. But as it is in most countries where criminal networks rake in millions upon billions in revenue the sellers should be vigorously perused. Going after users is the easy way to police it, but the criminal networks don't loose from it. So I am more inclined to legalize and get it into orderly forms because ridding the world of it is a futile battle I think. Growing your own would perhaps be the preferable way to do it, allow people to have a set number of plants they are allowed to own. That being said you should not smoke weed as it will make you apathetic, less likely to do stuff and it will make you docile.
>>112277
>>112279
Also this
>>112276
Weed is SUPER degenerate it like alcohol ensures a dumb society that will not fight against anything. It impairs your judgement makes you weak and lazy.
Weed is SUPER degenerate it like alcohol ensures a dumb society that will not fight against anything. It impairs your judgement makes you weak and lazy.
>>112283
I mean by that logic we'd have to ban alcohol and cigarettes, and possibly caffeine and several prescription drugs. Besides one can grow weed so you run into the prohibition problem
I mean by that logic we'd have to ban alcohol and cigarettes, and possibly caffeine and several prescription drugs. Besides one can grow weed so you run into the prohibition problem
>>112285
I don't drink or smoke I find it degenerate, expensive, dirty and repulsive. I see it as a way to weaken a people to ensure they are kept dumb and happy. Like how Sports in the US keeps the American people dumb obsessed with it, and how the entire ad campaign in it is pure propaganda. I don't watch any sports either as you could guess
I don't drink or smoke I find it degenerate, expensive, dirty and repulsive. I see it as a way to weaken a people to ensure they are kept dumb and happy. Like how Sports in the US keeps the American people dumb obsessed with it, and how the entire ad campaign in it is pure propaganda. I don't watch any sports either as you could guess
>>112276
While the negatives are known, it is best to allow it. Criminalizing weed provides revenue to gangs who sell in the black market, and following the prohibition model actually increases usage. Starving gangs of money is a good trade off for having a portion of society actively smoke weed.
While the negatives are known, it is best to allow it. Criminalizing weed provides revenue to gangs who sell in the black market, and following the prohibition model actually increases usage. Starving gangs of money is a good trade off for having a portion of society actively smoke weed.
>>112286
sure but as the thread indicates by "someone" this is about what other people do, extrapolating from that it's a thread about what you'll tolerate in society regarding marijuana. Unless you're aiming for some sort of dictatorship it's among other things impractical to expect the average person to meet the standards you set for yourself, as it's difficult to regulate behavior to a degree
sure but as the thread indicates by "someone" this is about what other people do, extrapolating from that it's a thread about what you'll tolerate in society regarding marijuana. Unless you're aiming for some sort of dictatorship it's among other things impractical to expect the average person to meet the standards you set for yourself, as it's difficult to regulate behavior to a degree
>>112276
it should also be of note that allegedly legalization of marijuana reversed a 14-year rising trend of opioid related deaths in colorado, so pick your poison
source:
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304059?journalCode=ajph&
it should also be of note that allegedly legalization of marijuana reversed a 14-year rising trend of opioid related deaths in colorado, so pick your poison
source:
http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/abs/10.2105/AJPH.2017.304059?journalCode=ajph&
Every culture that historically smoked weed went to shit. Name one stoner you know or have met IRL, but don't post his name here. Do you want your children to end up like him? Stoners have no life because they're always chasing a high to take them away from every second of their life they spend not high. Go ahead and meme about "Enlightened erudite stoners that just need to take the edge off" all you want, stoners are retards and their culture is as commercialized and pozzed as it gets.
>"b-b-but weed is ok in small doses!"
Alcohol is ok in small doses, too. Smoking is not and should be banned.
>"b-b-but weed is ok in small doses!"
Alcohol is ok in small doses, too. Smoking is not and should be banned.
Question to the weedfags here: Why is it that whenever someone says mean things about weed, you have to start acting like a leftist?
"But X is also bad and you like X so my weed isn't bad and you're a hypocrite, stop posting"
"But X has one redeeming quality and you're ignorant for not valuing that quality as much as me, stop posting"
"But if we ban weed we might as well ban other things you like, you authoritarian alt-right neo nazi, stop posting"
Always with the shill talk.
"But X is also bad and you like X so my weed isn't bad and you're a hypocrite, stop posting"
"But X has one redeeming quality and you're ignorant for not valuing that quality as much as me, stop posting"
"But if we ban weed we might as well ban other things you like, you authoritarian alt-right neo nazi, stop posting"
Always with the shill talk.
>>112362
George Washington smoked. America turned out fine for a good while.
>>112363
I don't smoke, but at this point legalization is the lesser evil. Gangs use weed and other drugs to fund criminal activity. It is also costly to enforce a goverment crackdown. Furthermore, it is shown that use of illegal goods increases under prohibition. Weed should not be legalized fully just because of some positives. It should be legalised because keeping it illegal is objectively more costly on society than letting people light up.
George Washington smoked. America turned out fine for a good while.
>>112363
I don't smoke, but at this point legalization is the lesser evil. Gangs use weed and other drugs to fund criminal activity. It is also costly to enforce a goverment crackdown. Furthermore, it is shown that use of illegal goods increases under prohibition. Weed should not be legalized fully just because of some positives. It should be legalised because keeping it illegal is objectively more costly on society than letting people light up.
I've seen firsthand how stupid weed makes people. Legalizing it won't fix that problem.
Alternatively, hemp as a resource is invaluable in making clothes and rope. And the oils it produces can be very useful in medicine when not smoked.
I'd say make more permanent solutions for the people distributing the stuff and encourage uses of the plant that actually benefit society.
Alternatively, hemp as a resource is invaluable in making clothes and rope. And the oils it produces can be very useful in medicine when not smoked.
I'd say make more permanent solutions for the people distributing the stuff and encourage uses of the plant that actually benefit society.
The legal barrier does not prevent degenerate smokers from consuming the product no matter the enforcement. Its use cannot be restricted anymore unless the already laws are made more punitive.
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>>112368
There is no evidence that any of the founding fathers smoked cannabis. Some of them grew hemp, a cash crop used to make rope and canvas products for ships, cloth for fabric, and pulp for paper. The hemp they grew had levels of THC so low that smoking it wouldn't even get one high. They thought of hemp in the same way they thought of cotton. Do your research; don't fall for the revisionist druggie meme trying to defame our founding fathers. They were some of the most enlightened men to ever live.
There is no evidence that any of the founding fathers smoked cannabis. Some of them grew hemp, a cash crop used to make rope and canvas products for ships, cloth for fabric, and pulp for paper. The hemp they grew had levels of THC so low that smoking it wouldn't even get one high. They thought of hemp in the same way they thought of cotton. Do your research; don't fall for the revisionist druggie meme trying to defame our founding fathers. They were some of the most enlightened men to ever live.
People are always going to find some way to get high. I would rather the population smoke pot than shoot up heroin and legalizing pot would clear up a lot of the legal confusion surrounding hemp.
It's better economically to allow marijuana to be grown. Using it to get high however is a waste of resources that could be better used to make material. It all comes down to how it is treated culturally.
>>112489
This makes me think, how about we regulate the THC whilst legalising marijuana? Keep it so low that the common market for it deflects hardcore stoners. Or, tax it to hell like we do with cigarettes. Either way, we can shape the drug culture to be more modest the least.
This makes me think, how about we regulate the THC whilst legalising marijuana? Keep it so low that the common market for it deflects hardcore stoners. Or, tax it to hell like we do with cigarettes. Either way, we can shape the drug culture to be more modest the least.
It is redundant to impose legal consequences when personal use of drugs should be restricted by social opinion. If society does its job as a moderator then enforcement is a needless cost; if it does not then the government cannot be expected to fix a faulty system.
Imprisoning people for owning a plant is a ridiculous cost that's only grown.
Imprisoning people for owning a plant is a ridiculous cost that's only grown.
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>>112964
We don't have a lot of mouse in my country, there's plenty of cat, rats are the real problem because of old abandoned buildings.
We don't have a lot of mouse in my country, there's plenty of cat, rats are the real problem because of old abandoned buildings.
>>112285
>by that logic weed and alcohol are the same
Yes, imo in spite of some clear differences in danger related to use, weed and alcohol should both be treated the same way, since the two are addictive substances that sabotage cognitive performance, and both have use in the production of consumer goods and even medicine.
Tobacco and caffeine are a little different, they are a kind of dirty and addictive nu-tropic, they temporarily increase cognitive performance at the cost of health(especially for tobacco), not to mention if exagerated the benefits become null since they are normalized by the body and therefore lead to dependency.
>>112368
>legalizing is the lesser evil
Agree, if you compare weed to alcohol, historic similarities will appear, think Dry Law, the more they went after alcohol, the worst the problem became, with rising criminality and a larger death ratio due to trafficking, gang violence, prossecution, contamination, cross-overs and a general lack of product quality… Sounds really similar to the current war on drugs huh?
>>112849
This, we already established criminalization will only make things worse. And legalization won't solve the problem, it just won't make it worse. Social influences in curbing addiction are vital, yet without a proper social structure in place it's futile, and here is where part of the problem arises. Consider Vietnam veterans, http://www.rkp.wustl.edu/VESlit/RobinsAddiction1993.pdf , for the soldiers who drugged themselfs during war, those who returned to a stable family mostly never used again.
>>112276
And finally, to answer op question, I don't care if someone(over 25?) uses it to get high, as long as it's only their problem, the moment responsibility falls on another person, they can kiss their blunt goodbye. Also, I say 25 as a possibility, because several studies indicate impaired mental functions for those exposed to weed during brain developmen(it only ends at around age 25), although more research is (still) required.
>by that logic weed and alcohol are the same
Yes, imo in spite of some clear differences in danger related to use, weed and alcohol should both be treated the same way, since the two are addictive substances that sabotage cognitive performance, and both have use in the production of consumer goods and even medicine.
Tobacco and caffeine are a little different, they are a kind of dirty and addictive nu-tropic, they temporarily increase cognitive performance at the cost of health(especially for tobacco), not to mention if exagerated the benefits become null since they are normalized by the body and therefore lead to dependency.
>>112368
>legalizing is the lesser evil
Agree, if you compare weed to alcohol, historic similarities will appear, think Dry Law, the more they went after alcohol, the worst the problem became, with rising criminality and a larger death ratio due to trafficking, gang violence, prossecution, contamination, cross-overs and a general lack of product quality… Sounds really similar to the current war on drugs huh?
>>112849
This, we already established criminalization will only make things worse. And legalization won't solve the problem, it just won't make it worse. Social influences in curbing addiction are vital, yet without a proper social structure in place it's futile, and here is where part of the problem arises. Consider Vietnam veterans, http://www.rkp.wustl.edu/VESlit/RobinsAddiction1993.pdf , for the soldiers who drugged themselfs during war, those who returned to a stable family mostly never used again.
>>112276
And finally, to answer op question, I don't care if someone(over 25?) uses it to get high, as long as it's only their problem, the moment responsibility falls on another person, they can kiss their blunt goodbye. Also, I say 25 as a possibility, because several studies indicate impaired mental functions for those exposed to weed during brain developmen(it only ends at around age 25), although more research is (still) required.
Marijuana as a plant if fine and outlawing ANY plant is moronic. However the culture that has grown around the plant is as cancerous as the cancer the plant supposedly "cures"
Much better scientific discovery are to be found in plants like me the San Pedro cactus, the psilocybin mushroom, ergot mold, and mimosa hostillis root bark than one would every find in marijuana.
Much better scientific discovery are to be found in plants like me the San Pedro cactus, the psilocybin mushroom, ergot mold, and mimosa hostillis root bark than one would every find in marijuana.
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