/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

God dammit. I know that it's all speculation at this point and we're not going to know anything before Monday, but I literally can't stop refreshing /pol/ and combing through every thread on the subject in hopes that some new piece of info got leaked.

Dont know who this man is never seen him before or even heard of him

Related?

October 23:
Mueller Now Investigating Democratic Lobbyist Tony Podesta
https://archive.fo/vahRr



!!!?

>>84424
muller? he was FBI director he covered p the clitons crimes in the white house and worked with clinton and comey on the uranium one deal

>>84429
that's pretty much all they need, the podesta legal group has illicit financial ties to the kremlin iirc

>>84418
it's probably just going to be manafort again tbh, but we'll find out

>>84430
>>84424
He's also the special prosecutor on the Democrats' show trial effort to frame Trump for colluding with Russia.

>>84432
That's honestly what I'm expecting, it's just the not knowing that drives me crazy.

>>84383
Filed charges against whom? For what?
>The charges are still sealed under orders from a federal judge
Grand Jury procedures are not helping, but I am not seeing where there could be charges that aren't bullshit

>>84481
/pol/ is currently sitting around circlejerking over whether it's going to be Podesta or Clinton or someone high up in the Democrat structure finally getting the deathblow. More likely it's going to be Paul Manafort, and the charge will likely be some vague "obstruction of justice" bullshit. From what I understand Mueller was given an arbitrary date by which if he doesn't find anything they're going to start cutting off his funding. The approach of the cutoff date, combined with the fact that so far most of the evidence the investigation has turned up has implicated Democrats and the Clintons, puts pressure on Mueller to hurry up and charge SOMEBODY with SOMETHING before the clock expires so he can keep this charade running another couple of months.

imo this "indictment" is probably going to end up being the legal equivalent of jogging a block to put a quarter in the parking meter so you can leave your car parked another 30 minutes.

tax fraud? wasn't he investigating "muh russian collusion"?

>>84708
>tax fraud? wasn't he investigating "muh russian collusion"?
That's what the (((media))) has been pushing, yes.

http://archive.is/D1tJS

They're going after Tony Podesta too.

what are the odds this is real? it's from saturday so they called manafort ahead of time and i hear tony has stepped down from his position at the podesta group

>>84724
Who knows? /pol/ was right about it being Manafort and Podesta to go down first, and it's definitely true that Uranium One is the real big story here. The fact that the MSM are going so laughably far out of their way to keep the coverage focused on Trump/Russia is proof enough of that. The Trump dossier has always been garbage; there was a rumor going around a while back that 4chan had created it by anonymously feeding bullshit info to Steele. The only reason it's still relevant is because the MSM keeps pushing info from it as if it were factual. However this is all basic information that any reasonably well informed LARPer would have had. I don't know how far up the chain actual prosecutions are going to go. I seriously want to at least see the Clintons and Loretta Lynch go down; Obama is probably too much to hope for. But who knows, there's not much we can do at this point except keep watching and waiting.

>>84724
There is nothing inconsistent here with what I have read and surmised from elsewhere. Lets hope this plays out. This would also turn the wheel a lot further, and it makes it obvious also that every time you put your energy into maintaining the continuing control of an ideology that it just empowers the next ideology in the rotation.

There is also the very interesting possibilities that 1) Trump wins so hard he gets voted in again, and 2) he proceeds with the exposures that JFK intended.

Interesting times, lots of secret tech that might become public over the coming decades as the old ways pass.

>>84724
>>84759

He backed down, Anons. That shows one of two possibilities: he's either been cucked by taking the easy route and is now performing his basic jewishly duties as sovereign of the Corporate Americas under the bitch queen's crown, or he's Manchurian Candidate #2. Not sure which one is more likely at the moment since BammyBoy failed to deliver. Also, neglecting to list all the crimes of every fucking president before him is essentially treason at this stage.

>>84724

how can you trace someone on 4chan? cnat he just use TOR?

>>84889
Most all data on 4cuck and infinicuck is hashed to a degree where only the code designer and (((they))) have direct access to it. Quite a few have done so for years now, the miss ratio is over 99:1 against the hits. Unless you're an alphabet soup agent, in which case you have access to the entire undernet since your "company" helped build it, backtracking on TOR is like trying to find the only unused needle in a heroin junkie's bedroom.

This board needs moar salt.

>>84908

i dont know how people who cap this can stand shoveling through this mass of ceiling high leftycuck leddit feces and not go insane.

>>84919
Their patronage is appreciated.

>>84908
Redditors are a fucking joke.

>>84908
I love how they assume trump and his team are incompetent, even if this weren't untrue, it's always a mistake to underestimate your opponent

>>84908
also jesus christ how do they not know how to look anything up?
>In a way I try to console myself with the fact that if there is an uprising it probably wouldn't last to long. The military is stronger, bigger, and a hell of a lot more organized
current US military personnel total = 2,363,675
US gun owners = the best estimates are about 45% or 52 million of American households owning 260 million guns).

>>84908
The internet was a bad idea.

>>85107
Godspeed, anon.

>>85110
sorry, forgot about the sage. Also, football.

>>85107
Epona bless them.

>>85107
Not all of this is true. There's some interesting ruse material here that contradicts recent events.

#1: Trump "believes in the dignity of the POTUS" enough to DISALLOW convictions of former US presidents. This shows one of the following: great cowardice/weakness OR direct collaboration with traitors in the military-industrial complex, military, and political circles. He might know where the bodies are buried, yet he damned sure ISN'T going to let the worst ones be found like those that LBJ, Carter, the Bush/Clinton/Cheney Cabals under Soros, etc. had buried. Even Reagan backed down by allowing the illegal entities known as the (((ATF))) and (((DEA))) to take up their positions in controlling more pieces of the US economy rather than facing off against the (((international banking cartels))).

#2: HRC/Obama thought they knew who was going to win to begin with. When a counterploy by the Trump team was utilized to create new voter blocs it began to sink in that allowing dead people and criminals to vote wasn't going to work. The timeline was too far ahead for (((them))) to change tactics without being immediately ousted in a coup. Who do you think the Royal Crown Marines of the United States would have sponsored: HRC as a potential coup incumbent under the protection of Soros and Warburg, or Trump? I'll give a hint: definitely not the second.

#3: the entire federal government is utterly riddled with corruption from the biggest lobbyist-loving senators & congressman, all the way down to the mail worker who doesn't want to lose their job for showing incompetency amongst their comrade workers. Imprisoning ONLY the worst of the offenders in the slavery, drug, firearm, and money running rings is nowhere near enough to prove validation. There won't be enough executions and lifetime prison sentences in cold, dark holes to go around if the swamp actually got drained since 95% or more would make a deal to avoid losing their cushy pensions, mansions, and offshore bank accounts.

#4: most all United Nations A21 paramilitary assets, which include a the short list of:
>CIA
>DHS
>DEA
>BATF
>FEMA
>TSA
>OSB
>Mossad
>MI5/6
Or, basically name any state security actor or agency and you get the point, have reached the peak where they've acquired majority total top level control of their respective militaries, paramilitaries, police agencies, governmental assets/organizations, medical associations, schools, and more. Politicians in particular LOVE to call scum like them "superpatriots", when legally (and according to most laws across the world) they are nothing more than hired thugs, bandits, hitmen, and murderers.

Even on this note, Kipling was both a crook and a liar. The "only rough men ready to stand watch" are ourselves, and no others. The higher majority eventually abandon their posts to become traitors once their sunset happens just like the (((warlocks))) on the inside have done since 1961 with LBJ offering a million dollars for each person to look away from JFK's eventual assassination. A few will fail to give a shit about their countrymen for the love of shekels, yet the rest mysteriously wind up dead like the vast majority of presidential staff members or bodyguards ever since Lincoln the Tyrant.
/blackpill off

>>85134
Keep going. I am waiting on the mind control, baby eating and classified high tech stuff. :)

>>85135
Getting ahead of yourself again I see. Remain humble or you'll be disgracing the true Vril Societe`.

https://archive.fo/fn0ey
The above is an excellent example of how the US is being kept on the petro-dollar standard. If Trump truly wanted to drain the "swamp", he could remove each and every single one of the shekel cartels in the US. There are plenty of laws against monopolies, slavery & sex trafficking, drugs, running firearms to foreign powers, etc., and it wouldn't take more than five minutes to do so. Without any advance warning, the entire terrorist petro-dollar system would be shut down and all US self-debts no longer relevant.

Image #1 is a poignant reminder of how the (((warlocks))) inside the U have continued to betray those individuals in the US whom were kept purposefully blinded to the activities above them. The technical phrase here is "keeping the mushrooms intact", ie: kept in the dark and fed shit. A casual search through the past 5 years alone will show that some specially selected information brokers and a few data leakers here and there were quietly, or not so quietly, removed from action. Assange is already out of commission according to Brazil suspects, likewise to the man whose vehicle exploded before plowing into a palm tree at over 90MPH.

Since you seem to enjoy the blackpill so much then I'll help you out for once, Vril. If you want mind control then search for OPERATION PURPLE DRAGON conducted by the Royal Crown Marines on US military installations with aid from the CIA. It occurred alongside MKULTRA, MKOFTEN, MKNOW, and MKHOST, functioning as the intermediary flight exchange operation between those four.

If you want to know what led up to the baby eating search for Project DIANA FOUNTAIN which started in 1933, a year of great significance in the occult. But I'm sure you already know the Diana Foundation was formed from this little think tank.

Then there's Project CHATTER which was founded from the members of DIANA FOUNTAIN. You'll like this one. You'll understand why this was important to the following ones with a cursory examination.

Finally, Project ARTICHOKE. This one isn't as important as some think it was. Marion David Pettie was involved with it's later stages in a cursory manner through his connections at Fort Dietrick, though what's important is that he either headed or was lead executive on the successor Projects of: Bluebird, HIGH BEAM, 117, MONARCH, REACH, BRAINSCRAMBLE, and HOUSEWHITE.

Fort Dietrick itself is a radioactive cancer given that it is in truth a biological & chemical warfare testing site. If you want something to think about, a pair of Ft. Dietrick biologists in the 1950's created an entirely new strain of Lyme disease out of multiple lab samples. After the tests that took place in 1953, 1954, and 1956, it was noted that the local deer population had essentially died off and that the new Lyme strain had spread to 14 states within five years. It was a success to them, obviously, yet it proves that the warfare tests never stopped. Since they were working with Lyme disease and testing chemical agents on still-imprisoned German POW's, what else do you think they had their hands on, Vril? Slight hint: you probably eat or drink it twice a week and have no clue what danger it poses.

Now, for clarity's sake, the CIA's responsibility in operating Project High Beam was to create news events to sway public perception. It was borne from the OSS dregs that managed to survive multiple purges and eventually take over both "The Farm" and "The Docks" at the executive levels. They specialize in hiring blacklisted movie or screenplay writers, and science fiction authors starting with Ron Hubbard. Want a list? Sandy Hook, Aurora, Pulse Nightclub, Las Vegas. Get the point now, Herr Vril? They're all nice and neat movie scripts.

>>85135
Oh, and Project QUANTUM. You probably won't like seeing what they did with the information that was retrieved from the true Vril Societe`. It would make Tesla come back from the grave.

>>85140
Thanks.

Now lets go to human medical experiments leading to mutants and genetic engineering, expanding out to secret space programs etc.

>>85141
For your first request: Fort Dietrick. I would advise severe caution when digging into them. Many congressmen, senators, superpatriot traitors in the MIC, and the leaders of most US paramilitary companies, or as they like to call themselves, "not-mercenaries", came from there.

As for your second request, do you recall the 2001 Hainan Island Incident? If not, the details will be a bit troubling given what little you do know about the Thule and Vril Societe` connections. Whom were the actors involved? Raytheon, Electrocore, and the CIA. Whom was watching? Operators on the Global High Frequency System. Don't let the name or top net information fool you, it's a mostly classified fully autonomous electronic global warfare positioning/tracking system. This system came out of Operation Stone Ruby, funded by the crown bitch giving slush funds to MI6 and allowing Mossad access to over 20,000 sealed US patents dating from 1891 to 1963.

And the last one for tonight: Project EPICSHELTER. A man that lived in a place where cold rains down from the sky created it. According to more than a few former gray hats, one of the three reasons why the Air Force is desperately trying to get him is that a large amount of information on Projects AURORA 3 and DESERT PROWLER/ORBIT II are code locked inside. Reason number two is tracking data for approximately half a trillion dollars is suspended inside a file. Reason number three? Certain figures in the military don't want footage taken in the Rhine Valley Death Camps during 1944 & 1945 being released to the public. The Manhattan connection, y'know.

>>85142
Thank you very much. I'll do some looking around. :)

Caution First, Glory Last, Herr Vril.

>>85144
Thanks for the warnings.

Do you have any info on the small humans that were running around between about the 1900s and 1970s. Especially France in 1954?

>>85145
Don't bother. Red hats are still working for Project High Beam and it's successors: at least 30 ads in weekly news rags are sponsored through cutouts, disinfo plants, etc. Ever seen Mothman or Dogboy? They're used to draw attention away from specific small towns while operations or projects run in the real locations. Always within 20-40 miles. Want real news? The Mound Builders from Texas all the way up into Kentucky were a bit taller than normal. A man excavated over 5,000 artifacts from the Mounds, 20 years of work or so. He took a box van to Smithsonian. A white hat plant called the entire collection a hoax after 20 minutes of inspection after the man left. He returned to the Institute and was told everything had been dumped in the Triangle the next day. Both DEA & Royal Merchant Marines operate 90+ unregistered large vessels on a highly specific route: Florida Keys, Bahamas, Haiti, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, Colombia, Panama, Jamaica, Mexico, repeat. Most likely actor was RMM. Though, who would build a coffin so large and ornate in an early era that a 3-ton forklift had to pick it up? Questions, questions.

>>85146
So who/what are you suggesting the giants are?

And are you suggesting that 409 sightings of small people in France is a psyop on the public?
http://www.ufoinfo.com/onthisday/papers/index.htm (See paper about 1954)

>>85148
It makes zero logical, rational, or reasonable sense to reclassify an already known, well understood item as a different item, correct? Again, questions questions.

I've seen your other threads, specifically the one on whether or not a few select technologies are man made. You, yourself, know the shock value of hearing the phrase little green men when used in a theatrical context. The 1950's War of the Worlds radio theatre was quite amusing, yet there were only little green then. In this case, there's still only little green men even now. What do you know about the French Crisis Actor's Union? I'll give you a tip: it started in 1941 with a rather significant bit of funding from a certain bitch queen.

>>85149
Fair call. So why the cover up?

So you are suggesting that it was staged for distraction. Interesting. So what needed distraction in 1954? The only things I know of is the collapse of the French Empire.

But there is also the Corsican Union, the CIA involved as well. The French Connection drug running. I thought perhaps some bases under the Alps and alike might be active.

>>85150
Changing the public perception of "human history". Pic basically related.

>>85151
Okay so that means, what needs to be hidden or what needs to be maintained? Or "if institutions can be so wrong then what else is completely wrong?"

>>85150
Kitty is forcing me to unintentionally shitpost by jumping on the enter key before I was done.

S&M is the hat term for it. No, it's not the other half of BDSM. Smoke and mirrors are employed in every situation where convenient short term distractions can be made. Who cares how much money is spent because it's not coming out of your agency's budget?

Look at the old schematics. Find me someone that would fit in them easily, Herr Vril, and I will tell you precisely why they would not willingly do so again.

>>85152
Find me a college textbook on natural history dating before 1932. Next, find me a college textbook on genetic history dating before 1984. You'd be mildly surprised yet utterly horrified to see what is in common with the two, and has been redacted from both.

>>85153
>Look at the old schematics. Find me someone that would fit in them easily

Assuming here you mean the schematics of old craft. I am aware now that the very early disks were part airship (lifting gas or vacuum) and part EM fields. So it is just the convenience of lightweight crew. The possibility exists that twinning eggs past a certain eggs development stage creates artificially small people. But it could just be you "hire" small people too.

>>85154
So we have multiple origin points for humanity. This is an obvious place for human division and conflict, since "we" like fighting those who are different. What is the central fear of this being known? My guess is you can't rule the world if the world has such an unambiguous demarcation and is in combat with itself over that division. Embrace diversity and cross breed out the problem! OMG!

>>85155
Height is merely one factor among ten others. There's a far more worrying one: what does heat do in a confined environment? Storage too is always at a premium. Ever tried to get in one of those tiny britcuck or shitskin cars? Like that, except far worse. Or imagine crawling through ducts all day, how many times are you going to bang your head, elbow, knee, etc. It's a logical route to take.

Twinning isn't a mere possibility. Unfortunately the declassified papers on a certain US-run project in china from 1951 to 1973 have disappeared into Fort Dietrick's vaults.

Not entirely correct, you kind of have it backwards. Approximately 97% of all caucasoids have a minimum of 2.7% Neanderthal DNA. This does not include the other 8 unknown DNA sequences which makes up anywhere from 20-38%. All of them are distinctly human, more so than the modern ones in a few instances. Interbreedable, if you will. All of the (((nation building history))) myths fall apart when subjected to this infallible bit of knowledge. Pic related here. The military-industrial education system has a nightmare every day which essentially boils down to: "if we are ever shown as wrong, then we lose our grasp". You'll notice that only a few countries are still continuing with DNA research into humanity's origins. There's a weird bit of irony here: the Australian aborigines were fighting quite literal dinosaurs for their very survival until about 600 years ago. Mostly avians, though. Reptiles are technical genetic dead ends, no room for improvement, etc.

>>85157
Ahh of course. The Germans called the RFZ the hot water bottle. Makes sense.

I did expect someone somewhere was playing with twinning. Those dates make sense when you consider when the 2nd-Sino-Japanese/WWII was and Unit 731 etc and the free pass those Japanese doctors got because they handed the data to the US. Also where were the recovered victims taken? There was a disk crash in Missouri in 1941. I have speculated that this was from China to spook the US about Martians as a psyop. But it could easily be American too. Also any sort of artificial being creation would give you disposable and perhaps customisable pilots, just make them seem like aliens. Which brings me to; does Ultra Plus secret society exist in some form? (I assume it is a play on being ultra positive about the future using technology, this would also make them anti-deep state.) And is Trump U+?

600 years ago is the 1400s. I'd need to look into that.

Have you been insinuating in these posts that ETs (not the staged or engineered ones) exist?

>>85158
Spot on.

731 barely existed except in propaganda. It's a nice movie script about some evil yellow-faced Emperor Fu Manchu plotting to take over Hawaii. Of course, getting fucked over by the international banking cartel too many times to count.. well, nevermind. Many of the "crimes" committed by 731 are fabrications created by 1 of 4 factions: britshitland, US, china, or the Soviets. Take your pick basically. Only a few actual POW's were taken, rest were second-liners or third-liners, barely trained guards in short. Unfortunately, Fort Dietrick is a vault. I wouldn't dare try getting anything out of there, especially right now.

Stalin had thousands of photos edited. Missouri '41 was USAF, that incident occurred almost exactly one month after first Enigma "break". What do those three facts have in common? They all come into play when old man Ross had a dog named Lassie. Timmy had a rough time getting out though. You know what the medical term is for the following phrase: "keeping someone's wits dangerously sharp for too long". It causes disinterest over a prolonged period of time. Shock and awe works once, maybe twice, eventually it gets ignored. Everyone who says a word that somewhat rhymes with kupo has it happen to them. Remember X-Files? The writers were quite good at getting information. I moved into a place near where X-F S1E1 happened. Moved after a week. Never again getting that close.

Why make disposables when you have millions to pick through? Also, pay in mind how many people watched 50's kaiju theater in the US. They wouldn't understand it until the late 60's. Rubber was in serious vogue for agency use, especially for the traitors living on "The Farm".

U+ was Tesla, Vril, some Thule. During WW1 it turned into the Societe` vs. the hacks like Einstein whom stole patents, buried names, sold other people's inventions to the US/britcuck militaries, etc. My interests were occult, natural history, military tactics. Technology not so much, zero trust there. Trump failed to get the right attentions, he might be Manchurian Candidate #2 for all they know. They might exist still. Depends on how many times their names get used. Generally not worth the pain.

New Zealand has some interesting flora and fauna too, some of which hasn't been extinct long. Or long enough. Australia is now having problems with something that was supposedly eradicated in the 20's.

No one can answer that, yet. Even if I had an answer it wouldn't be the correct/right one. Give it 3 years or not at all due to this technological cycle's.. irregularities. I have serious doubts, however. Modern caucasoids are composed of minimum 8 but potentially 30 interbred human species. Negroids, 5-29 known. Others, not sure. Do the math, it's not unheard of in biology for multiple similar species to interbreed into a technically "new" one. Cows, horses, sheep, ducks, etc. However, there's too much info to sort through without encountering walls of bias, thousands of redactions, cherry picking, data manipulation, missing documents, etc. Red Rains of India are big time, new virii and bacteria are found weekly if not daily. Some of the smartest geneticists are there too.

>>85159

Dismissing 731 seems odd, unless you are implying it isn't the bigger part. I also assume that you are saying they weren't altering humans but just biological testing? Perhaps you are saying, play up the meaning of 731 as cover for the real human experiments?

The USAF did not exist in '41. You'd mean the U.S. Army Air Corps or U.S. Army Air Forces. If MO41 is USAAF then they were playing with "eugenics"/mutations. Why are there millions?

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Who is #1?

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If you can have multiple origins on Earth for humans you can in theory have multiple origins of "humans" on other planets in similar environments.

Panspermia. Interesting.

Okay what about the Contactees of the 50s? Adamski etc. And since we are on the 50's; Project Winterhaven? And lets go a bit more.. magneto-hydro-dynamics and plasma weapons? Ghost Rockets 1946?

>>85164
Who performs safety standard testing for industrial, medical, military applications? Who allows the same? What use do you have for chinese criminals? Again, movie script. If you ever found records that did come from 731, you'd be a hero. Follow the money trail, not the propaganda mail.

Here's your scenario: in 1941 a picture was taken of "dead" little green men next to a saucer with USAF and some purposefully blurry numbers on it. Wait until 1947 when most agencies have access to Soviet photo editing techniques & technology, make some bizarre adjustments, release mass media on the world. Movie scripts.

You must be joking. Didn't watch how many times he crashed and burned without a teleprompter? Slipped up by revealing the 57 states? He was never a muslim, too piss poor an actor for that. Ate ham on camera, had multiple homosexual relationships, children were clever fakes, wife was a bitch on screen, etc.

Maybe, but too much speculation ruins the pie.

You should know George Estabrooks, what about his Manchurian associates in Project Monarch? The Farm was still bringing children in daily, might even be doing so now. Bill Chalker wrote a book in 2005. US Army Chemical Corps. passed out handbooks on what to do with little green men, including making sure no one photographed their suits up close, and how to use household chemicals to dispose of rubber. Just like a certain agent said: "Muller, there are no aliens."

Refer to above, tech wasn't in my interests and never got to make those kinds of friends in the other branches. GR's though, that's a different story. What do you know about the 1945 Soviet long-range rocket bombardment program that wasn't named Katyusha? All actors want missiles, except the US had plenty to experiment with from Germany: experimental fibrous paint coatings, micro-magneto drives, silicon, but most importantly: frangible metals. Also, look up the story for why WD-40 was named. There is no shortage of ignorance in the US to take advantage of.

We're well off topic now, so I'm going to let kitter have the keys again, little shit.

>>85259

>In 1916, the American Institute of Electrical Engineers (now IEEE) invited the American Society of Mechanical Engineers (ASME), the American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), the American Institute of Mining and Metallurgical Engineers (AIME) and the American Society for Testing Materials (now ASTM International) to join in establishing an impartial national body to coordinate standards development, approve national consensus standards, and halt user confusion on acceptability. These five organizations, who were themselves core members of the United Engineering Society (UES), subsequently invited the U.S. Departments of War, Navy and Commerce to join them as founders.

https://share.ansi.org/shared%20documents/News%20and%20Publications/Links%20Within%20Stories/ANSI%20-%20A%20Historical%20Overview.pdf

So you are suggesting Roswell event comes from the 1941 photos modified? Roswell is significantly more complicated than photos. There was a lot of reports of disks flying around. Pic#1 and #2. But I can see that what you are saying is that a near permanent state of creating fake events is happening to confuse finding the actual meaningful activity. And to fill up the mind-space of people with garbage. The perpetuation of aliens appearances into social consciousness whilst officially denying. Causing society to clamour for disclosure of something that doesn't exist. LOL.

Eastabrooks etc. Pic#3 Comments corrections on this pic? Bill Chalker .. 2 different human DNA types .. human chimeras .. children.

And so the 'millions' are children .. they are processed and passed along for various despicable uses. One of which is flying these UFOs. You keep italicising men at first I thought to highlight not ET, but perhaps wanting to point out not 'men' but 'children'. The rubber suits you are indicating are important but not why, perhaps because they are to distort the shape of otherwise normal children to increase the ET assumptions. This explains the awkward movements. That would also mean that other methods of obfuscating that they are children were implemented. Ultimately messing with DNA obsoletes the need for costuming. Obviously along with all of this is mind control of them. And mind control depends somewhat on malnourishment and dehydration so skinny "aliens" are an easy outcome, and from this also you could reduce the height as well by restricting diet. This mistake you have referred to is where the imprinting of the 'space brothers' philosophy on society when our understanding of astronomy was poor, making those crude attempts at mind games on 1950s society become laughable. The researcher mistake is assuming the witnesses lied, actually the "aliens" lied. This tidies up the 1954 small men mystery. Comments? So why the sight seeing tour in 1954? I know France's reach was collapsing, DNA had been discovered as carrying genes in 1952/3. So perhaps one way or another their time was over/up? I think you would default to calling this a distraction from something else. But "The Farm" was probably transitioning to the mutation/engineering focus rather than costuming and malnourishment.

So when is the fake ET landing so impose the new philosophy that stops us from creating our own self extinction? Is this the 3 years you mentioned?

>frangible
Makes sense. But can all components be frangible? Interesting lead, thanks.

>The spray, composed of various hydrocarbons, was originally designed to be used by Convair to protect the outer skin which comprised the paper-thin balloon tanks of the Atlas missile from rust and corrosion.[6][7] These stainless steel fuel tanks were so fragile that when empty they had to be kept inflated with nitrogen to prevent them from collapsing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WD-40

So it is ballistic range/accuracy testing with materials that will dissipate to avoid being traced back. Nice. USSR was a suspect and now I can see why proof could never occur. So how do "we" know this? Or is it suspected only?

>>85259
One last foray into the tech side. Tesla. (Elect/Magneto)hydrodynamics. Pic1 and 2? This can be either ionic wind but also can be that strong and correctly arranged circular magnetic fields warp spacetime similar to gravity warping spacetime. Which means artificially controlling gravity. If we can bend spacetime, we can bend time? "Missing" Time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Einstein%E2%80%93Cartan%E2%80%93Evans_theory

And now lets go to the part you research the occult side. Aquino, multiple personalities = demons? Inter-dimensionals? Spiritual evolution? RA and the Law of One? Reincarnation? Remote Viewing. Michael Persinger, Ingo Swann, Joe McMoneagle, NSA.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l6VPpDublg

>>85327
Close enough. It takes at least 1 military branch, a civil agency, and a crowded prison lobbying for the use of testing on prisoners. One of the more troubling events occurred in 1989, caused prison riots to occur in 14 of the 57 US states, all within a week.

Not suggesting, implicating. Imagine putting the same pair of pants into the spin cycle for rotations, hundreds of thousands of them. Eventually it'll be forgotten, pushed aside, etc. It was the first shoddy fake news experiment, though it was made to be shoddy. Then it was shoddily covered up by a shoddy coverup. The white hats work on the cheap, their budgets are small so they heavily use smoke and mirrors events, like that one little falcon made of a green stone, when it'll save them money or time.

No, Vril. Not chimerism. An alien body was put together by the US Navy to throw off investigations by the coupon group. Fully human, every piece of it. Lots of tombs were robbed, archaeological sites and museums broken into. Merely another perpetuation. Also threw off geneticists for a while.

Wasn't meaning millions in the US. Meant across the world. Everyone before or after knows the gate where pizza flowed through provided at least 500 children monthly to the CF. In two weeks 4,000 children from Haiti disappeared, but in Bosnia over 8,000 went missing in a month. Read image #3 a bit closer. The Farm has never seen mutation results from anything other than twinning, even then the lifespan is cut by half. Less biology, more mind games.

Right before Soros dies. Remember the Apollo landing? It'll be carefully choreographed the same way, though filled with unavoidable plot holes. Also, bubbles appear all the time in the ISS. Shitty quality control.

Most all. They're working on tungsten alongside micro-crystalline layering now. Hope it backfires.

The same four phrases you bolded were also done in Germany. Whom else has as many of the papers?

>>85328

According to the Manhattan connection, y'know, the guy that sells hot dogs on the street corner off the big blue-green steel cart, time is cyclical. Time folds when space doesn't, space folds when time doesn't. What else do you think HAARP was doing besides punching holes in the ionosphere and forcing clouds to mimic EM bandwidths?

Way too much to share and not all of it right now. MPD caused by trauma, well known factors why. Demons = jewish talmudic "djinn" knockoff, a scare tactic with zero evidence; cardinal under a real oath admitted as much. Maybe, and only if Tesla was telling truth. Humans & equines combined, yes. Try Rule of Three. Definite yes. Depends on who you ask, the receiver or giver.

>be me, last week
>see thread on the Mueller investigation
>interdasting
>be me, present day
>see Mueller thread again
>maybe I'll just look and see if there have been any new developments
>pic related
Seriously, I've seen threads get derailed before but hot damn.

>>85390

I am sleepy so this is probably disorganized and poorly thought out.

>From 1963 to 1971/1973, a leading endocrinologist, Dr. Carl Heller, irradiated the testicles of Oregon and Washington prisoners. In return for their participation, he gave them $5 a month, and $100 when they had to receive a vasectomy upon conclusion of the trial. The surgeon who sterilized the men said that it was necessary to “keep from contaminating the general population with radiation-induced mutants”. – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unethical_human_experimentation_in_the_United_States

I am guessing the only reason to do this is to collect mutant sperm to breed. Since Genetic engineering isn't technologically available yet. That comes around the 1970s when also this mutant sperm collecting ends.

You are saying the mutations come from twinning. I suppose then some cells are being partially damaged in that process. You also say biology is not the main factor and is more mind games. So what about the modern "greys"? I assume genetic engineering is a factor at some point. I assume eugenics is still in the background somewhere.

The chimerism part is the conclusion to reach from Bill Chalker's investigation of the Peter Khouri encounter which left a "hybrid" hair. The hair strand and the hair root had different DNA. Although that could be a plant.

Okay so time-lining this to avoid confusion. My assumptions plus what you are saying is something like:

Twinning itself could have started anytime from the early 1900s, maybe even earlier.
1920s T.T. Brown "electrogravitics" -> eventually Navy.
1930s is the start of taking children as per Eastabrooks.
1940s is mind control stated success. Testing Nazi tech and staging fake ET crashes using ancient body parts to cover up the child pilots crashes should they happen. The "flight" suits need to be destroyed quick for some reason. You haven't stated why. The obvious is it is a costume or otherwise distorts appearances. An alternative is the tech of it needs hidden. e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jos%C3%A9_Manuel_Rodriguez_Delgado
1950/60s mind control starts to be seriously used. UFO research is seriously messed with. DNA discovered, mutations experimented with. Area 51. Twinning. Disk sightings sky rocket. Pic1. You state only twinning made mutants so the radiation mutants must have been a dead end but the presumed collecting of mutated sperm went on for at least 10 years. Someone was benefiting from this. A bucket load of people who are MK'ed into thinking they traveled to Mars and Venus (or are actors), more bullshit to confuse researchers. Ultrasonics. Microwaves. etc
1970s Cut 'n' paste genetics arrives. Lots of weird mutants some or all staged + MK. Pic2.
1980s Cloning. Cloned greys arrive.

>Whom else has as many of the papers?
Soviets. I am guessing tech is scattered around (un)buried in Europe too. UK. Nazis fleeing to South America. How viable is the Antarctica thing? I imagine that would be too difficult.

>Manhattan.. Time folds when space doesn't, space folds when time doesn't.
This is neat! To unbend spacetime/remove gravity you end up bending normal Earth time. The craft proximity has a slower time flow rate relative to the external world? (Or is it the opposite?)

Are we rotating atomic nuclei to produce gravito-magnetic moment? Its a perfect bridge between EM and G. Why use big electromagnets when some atomic nuclei will do. Superconductors. I suppose radiation shielding becomes a factor or perhaps disposable crew back then. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitoelectromagnetism Which was speculated about since the 1890s.

I spent way to long on this post.

Would you agree to an encrypted private chat?

>>85390
How much accuracy would you say //Trance Formation// book by Cathie O'Brien and Mark Phillips has? It takes the MK stuff a very long way, which doesn't seem too inconsistent with where we are.

I am also attaching a short book for any thread readers who want some background.

>>85415
Dwarfism in twinning is common. Basically all known genetic mutations are negative at minimum, fibromyalgia for example, and quickly increase to become crippling or lethal. The Heller Experiments were conducted to see how quickly testicular cancer could be developed as high priority method for A21 population control. Wasn't quick enough for (((their))) tastes. Was used as disinfo by High Beam hats in news rags. Remember Mothman and Dogboy examples? Perfect use of funds for increased misdirection.

You are misreading Bill Chalker's words. The US Navy created an "alien corpse" using a host of human parts across multiple centuries. Wasn't as clever a triple-blind ploy as they wanted it to be: originally designed to throw off the coupon group, it backfired when they realized the lab doing the DNA testing was independent and secretive. A senator was killed in hit & run after reveal was made. He was close.

Twinning was fully developed in early 20's. Lot of weird technology back then, sulphur-iron-quartz-h2o batteries for example. Supposedly ran forever, low voltage/amps though. Some of it's lost to us, but others are still in use in the old world.

1920's period: before that. Tesla, Vril, Thule Societe` made gains. Scared the Navy. They're still tight lipped due to being shit on for experimenting with a motorless biplane operating on a wireless electrical system. Same one one as Tesla made, except Einstein fucked it up when he sold his copy to them. Lost too many craft/personnel, got laughed at, an admiral disappeared. Serves them right for stealing.
1930's period: kidnapping has existed since who knows how far back. For military purposes, definitely started in the 30's. Barely teenaged soldiers were used in Panama, etc. High success rate at first, most developed MPD.
1940's period had some success, Estabrook proved that. OSS took it several steps further. Imagine a one-sided conversation that went like this: "What happens if one of our little green men suits is discovered? The rubber and other materials can be traced back to specific manufacturers, which means it can be traced back to our shell companies, cutouts, and eventually us!" Again, US Army Chemical Corps. handbooks.
1950's produced phenomenal results, we all know this now. Manchurian Candidates, failsafe assassins, deadswitch trigger phrases, codes, keywords, etc. No one knows how many were used, can't even give a good estimate of numbers. Technically twinning doesn't make "mutants", only exacerbates known conditions. Want a taste of insanity? Infrasound generators came into use during the early 50's. You'd have good reason to be afraid of them. Shitty part is infrasound can be anywhere now. All windmills use an infrasound generator, for example. Cell towers, too.
1970's was the explosion period. Movies, television shows, pop culture, etc. Disinfo went from ten times an hour on news casts to being the entire news cast. Like dumping a pile of shit in an ocean of shit.
1980's was when the coupon group broke ground. USAF papers were stolen, handed out. Lots lost their jobs, some lost lives, plenty of half-birds, birds, and chickenhawks had to disappear. U-2 meant nothing, Aurora 1 & Desert Prowler were in service by 1986. Reagan might have known too much, probably tried to stop it. MIC didn't appreciate that. Remember the heart attack gun in 1974? CIA had far worse in '86. Alzheimer's didn't run in his family so to speak.

Soviets pulled more info from their own people than from Germany. Know how many research gulags there were in the 50's? About 100. Make new things or die, komerade. Lots of captured scientists from across the USSR, china, Japan, Europeans, US, etc. McCarthy nearly found out how many Soviet agents & snatchers were in the US on loan-share agreements, which is why US and USSR broke ties.

Forget Flat Earth, it's a pale disinfo meme. Hollow earth though, that scared every hat in the US. Congressmen and senators were silenced for asking questions about it. US Navy knows something, else they wouldn't have a dozen nuclear subs stationed there at all times. USAF operates overwatch with Russia. Security is too high there.

A rather droll blue hat once mockingly stated that above a certain speed in aerospace craft, relative time on earth slows, becomes even slower close to sublight. EM pulse engines were worked on in the 1990's, lots of catastrophes, some NASA buildings were shut down. The word "nasa" is hebrew for "to greatly deceive", though they're not 100% disinfo. NASA steals tech from solo inventors daily. No idea what they're testing now except for liquid metals and some kind of ionic screen.

Don't know about tech side in that regard. Good with numbers, not mostly proven theories. Overheard a before-time green hat stating Tesla was right: artificial conductors don't last long enough, radiation belt around earth is too high to survive. Soviets launched over 200 rockets until news of Apollo "landing" happened. Lots of radio chatter in Russian was caught though. Plenty of severe burn victims, but no way to get them back on ground.

We were taught to meditate whenever our mask wasn't on, couldn't be stone cold forever. Incidents happened sometimes. Start one sentence, someone else finishes. Statements about someone's life that shouldn't be known. Knowing who took the last cigar or dip. Weird shit. Camaraderie doesn't explain factors. Listen to a trance album sometime in a quiet black room, you'll get the idea.

I'll agree.

>>85460
This post is very coherent and organized and left me with no questions. I am still processing a the new perspective because my core perspective before was based on genetics/mutation but rubber costuming etc. is so much easier to fit in. From all of this, really, is only finer details like: remote hypnosis, unwilling hypnosis? etc. and other subset details, the overall scenario is fairly obvious and clarified.

My thoughts on a private chat are:
>I'll set up a disposable email account and announce it here.
>You can email me and include a codeword, presumably from a disposable email.
>When I acknowledge the email with a reply you can drop the codeword here from the same ID for verification.
>One of us then sends the details to contact the other on a encrypted service. This could be https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptocat which is easy to set up and use.

It would be really interesting to exchange detailed notes. It is very rare to find someone "theorizing" in this in the way I have been. So many are on the ET ride.

Thank you.

>>85460

>Rubber Suits

>October, 1950, Bruges, Belgium
>Columnist "has on his desk" a photograph of a flying saucer that allegedly landed 2 weeks ago in the center of Bruges. According to the Bruges newspaper "Burgerwelzijn", 26 living beings were inside. These men, considered to be Martians, were taken to a camp at St. Kruis "to await inspection and interrogation." The photograph of the saucer shows "a large flat circular object with queer things protruding from the top", surrounded by Bruges citizens. Another photo graph shows the crew leader in "a thick rubber suit with breathing apparatus strapped to his chest, and on his left shoulder a mysterious instrument resembling a clock."

– CUFOS HUMCAT 1950-51

>August 7, 1954, 19:30 Hemmingford, P.Q.
Gabriel Coupal, 13, saw a 9-foot luminous ball land 150 ft away; after landing it turned black. A door opened, and "a big tall man with big round eyes" came out, dressed all in skin-tight black rubber except for his head, a "machine gun." There was a "buzz like a bee". The man approached the boys ran their horse for the house. The UFO rose, passed close by them, and landed again near the horse barn. It "had a black cable with a square thing hanging. In the moonlight, it looked "like a soap bubble", and 3 men were seen walking around it. Mrs. Coupal telephoned Hemmingford to get another witness, but when 3 people arrived the object took off, glowing orange. It had been present for an hour or more. Where it had rested was found a 30-foot circle of flattened grass.
Failed child abduction?

– Passport to Magonia

>Nov. 16, 1952, 0930, Castelfranco Bailla, Italy
>Nello Ferrari, 41, a farmer, had gone to a lonely spot to relieve himself when he noticed a copper-colored light cast on the grass.
Looking up. he saw a gold- or oopper-colored object like two 20-meter soup plates put together; in the center, protruding above & below, was a 5-m metal cylinder, in whioh was something rotating, with a motor-like noise. It was only 10 meters above him. The two plates separated, and 3 human forms appeared in the interstice, dressed apparently in rubber-like overalls, with transparent masks. They spoke words sounding like "Verren…firg…unch"; then they retreated and the two plates closed with a metallic click. The hum grew louder, and the vessel ascended vertically.

– CUFOS HUMCAT 1952-3

>Nov 18, 1952
>Castclfranco (Italy). Nello Ferrari, 41, a farmer, found himself flooded with a reddish light and saw a large plate 10 m above him, between gold and copper in color. At the center of the bottom surface, 20m in diameter, was a cylinder of 5 m diameter made of rapidly rotating parts, producing a noise similar to that of an electric motor. On the upper surface was a turret inside which three occupants were visible, looking directly at the witness. They looked perfectly human, wore rubber coveralls and transparent face masks. They spoke a few words, which were not understood; a loud metallic noise was heard; and the top part of the object lowered itself toward the lower plate. The sound gained intensity, and the craft flew vertically at very high speed.

– Passport to Magonia

>Nov. 2, 1954, 1800, Cremona, Italy
Two students, Pietro Alberini & Pericle Sacohi, who were hunting, saw a dwarf 3 ft tall with a "rubber" head and a flexible tube connecting his face to a cylindrical container on his back. When they came close to it, the being wrapped itself in a bluish cloud. The witnesses ran away.

– CUFOS HUMCAT 1954

>OCTOBER 9. [1954] In the evening, Herr Hoge, a projectionist, saw four occupants of an object which had landed about 69 meters from the road near Rinkerode, in the vicinity of Munster (Germany): he was returning home when he observed a blue light on the side of the road and what he thought was an aircraft which had made an emergency landing. But the object which gave off the light was cigar shaped; four men, who seemed to be wearing rubber coveralls, were working under the craft They were about 1-20 metres tall, each had a very large chest and a large head. Their legs were small and thin.

– The Humanoids

>August 7, 1967, 0200, San Bernardino (Caracas), Venezuela
>Pedro Riera was awakened by his bed's being shaken, and he saw in front of him a small being with a disproportionately large head, wearing a "rubber suit." He jumped out of bed and grabbed the little man, but he wriggled free and went out the 2nd-floor window. Riera looked out and saw a round, multicolored luminous object so brilliant that he had to close his eyes. In the morning he found deposits of a rust-like substance, and small footprints in this "rust" on the pavement below his balcony. Several neighbors had observed the UFO.

>Early October, Daytime, 1967, Ithaca, New York
>An unidentified fisherman encountered a peculiar being in broad daylight. No more than 3 feet tall, he was wearing what appeared to be a diver's suit made of material similar to black rubber. He wore a helmet; through a glass plate on the front of the helmet, the skin appeared very brown, and the face "looked something like a monkey's. But he had no hair at all." The little being "planted himself" in front of the witness and began to gesture and to speak, "but I couldn't make out any words that I understood." Making swimming and drinking motions, the fisherman decided he wanted water and pointed to the nearby stream, "and he walked away at a great clip."

– CUFOS HUMCAT 1967

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>>85662

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>November (28). 1972, 1230, Tres Arroyas (B.A.), Argentina
>Alfonso Rey (62) was watching TV when the picture stopped; as he got up to adjust it, he saw seated in an armchair in the opposite end of the room; he wore a one-piece coverall of a blue-green color, whose fabric appeared metallic, with a black belt and a helmet like those formerly worn by airmen, and with short boots. On the belt was a small box or device. He stood up, at least 6.5 feet tall, and Rey asked him what he wanted; he merely held his hand out, which felt cold and abnormally soft, "like foam rubber." Rey could not describe the features save for the eyes, "which seemed to emit a silvery light," They both sat down again; Rey now began to feel a condition of unusual well-being. He went into the kitchen, followed by the stranger, where he noticed that the refrigerator's motor was not running normally; he also noticed that his visitor seemed to "walk on air." Rey offered him a glass of water, which he declined. Then the man pressed buttons on his belt apparatus, causing an amber-colored light to come on; the being then went to the kitchen door and, looking up at the sky, pressed other buttons; he then walked out into the yard, where he vanished in thin air, leaving no trace. Later that afternoon, around 4i20, other people reported-seeing a similar "stranger" in a bar on the corner of calle Alsina and calle Pringles, in Tres Arroyas. Descriptions by several witnesses matched those provided by Rey. They said the "stranger" went into a bathroom and did not emerge. No further details are available.

– CUFOS HUMCAT 1972

>January 5, 1975, 0330, Puerto Ingeniero Mute, Argentina
>Carlos A Diaz, walking home from a bus at, 3:30 A.M. in a town just outside Bahia Blanca, saw a blindingly bright, crooked beam of light & found himself paralyzed. He then heard a humming noise and was levitated off the ground; he fainted & came to inside a spherical cavity with luminous walls, 8 ft in diameter. After a time 3 beings about 5'9" tall entered the sphere; for heads, they had smooth green knobs half the size of a human head, & completely devoid of either hair or facial features. They were dressed in pale, cream-colored doft "rubber" suits, covering all but their heads. Although their arms" terminated in stumps without fingers, these beings nevertheless proceeded to pull out large clumps of Diaz's hair; this caused him no pain. They even pulled some hair from his chest. -Finally Diaz faint ed again. When he woke he found himself lying beside a road outside Buenos Aires (490 miles from Bahia Blanca.) The time was 7:30 A.M., but his watch had stopped at 3:50. He was nauseated all day, arid was taken to a hospital.

You have to love the theatrics!

– CUFOS HUMCAT 1975

>On Nov. 5, 1975, Travis Walton, a young federal employee of the U.S. Forest
>Walton was then subdued and re-sedated by mute, normal-sized people (both men and women), disguised as "aliens" with identical long, dirty blond wigs, makeup, and clothes. Walton's description of the midget participants was consistent with the 'foam rubber masks' and 'sunglass-lens eyes' scenario, intended to hark back to the "Roswell" hoax.
…
>Midgets—or what could have been children or small women—dressed in our standard 'alien' get-ups, stood about him as he awakened. Walton later initially reported hearing one of them speaking in a southern drawl, until they realized Walton was conscious and stopped speaking.

– Pentagon Aliens

What is with the browning of the skin, is it excessive red blood cells? And why the full "environmental suits"/face coverings? Also the rubber can double as electric shock/fields protection since very high voltages are in use. This perhaps explains the full coverings. And if you are going to do that then why not make an exotic look! Too funny if not for the sinister basis.

And just to be autistic one from 1945 and one from 1988 which shows the evolution of the rubber suits…

>December 25, 1945 An island off the west coast of Ireland
>The witness was standing on the shore in a blizzard, waiting for a boat to return to the mainland, when a silver dome with a square base descended from the clouds and landed on the water. It was surrounded by purple lights and made a whirring noise like a drill. It rose again & landed in a field, crushing 2 cattle. The top slid up, & 2 humanoids with "squarish legs", wearing gray-black rubber suits, came out. One of these walked to the shore k onto the sea, where he placed a large phial. The other fired a red ray at a cow, burning through it. A farmer's dog came up, barking; the UFOnaut pointed "a box with lights k antennae" at it, and the dog, apparently hypnotized, walked up to the UFO k was put on board. 5 or 6 similar craft streaked overhead. A mist then enveloped the craft, & both beings "floated" up into it. One noticed the witness & waved at him; he ran from the scene. The farmer advised him to tell no one about the experience.

– CUFOS HUMCAT 1940-1949

>12th July 1988, Sydney, Australia
>They just vanished. One second they were there. The thing is that when I bit her nipple . . . she didn’t scream, she didn’t cry, she didn’t react at all in pain. No way at all was there any pain associated with what I did. That really like put a big question mark on what was going on with me. Like, what the hell was going on? There was no blood, there was nothing, no trace whatsoever. It was if I took a bite out of a plastic dummy or mannequin that was made of rubber or something. When I bit the nipple it felt to me as if I had bitten a little bit of elastic band for example, rubbery substance. As soon as I did that I saw the expressions and I started to cough, got this coughing fit and I might have taken my eyes of them for a split second I think, then I’ve looked up and they weren’t there any more.

– STRANGE EVIDENCE BY BILL CHALKER - IUR ✦ SPRING 1999

>>85464
Estabrooks claimed he could "hypnotize" someone at will in the 40's. What do you think was happening by the 50's when all the abductee reports were happening?

I'll work up a route for us to get in touch, will take a couple days.

>>85662
>>85663
>>85759
Rubber is an amazing insulator, however voltage is not what matters, amperage is. 120 volts @ 1 amps is enough to raise hair. 480 volts @ 120 amps for five seconds is typically death. Non-conductive heat-absorbent materials, just ask the thieves at NASA.

Altimeter, not a clock. Suits are cheap to make, rubber costed about $2 a pound in the late 40's alone. In ten days how many can a professional kaiju modeler make?

Look at a post-1980 pilot's helmet, Vril, and you will understand the evolution of how they came to be. Germans got it right, everyone else lost pilots for 30 years.

Tesla's experiments with wireless electricity are rather useful in this context. He built a HIGHLY credible sonic protection screen shortly before his death. Was never tested due to fear over polarity being wrong, test subjects dying, etc.. La Sia is scared shitless of Einstein's stolen & rebranded patents. If they won't use it who will?

>>86058
Can you comment on >>>/vx/752 →
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelly%E2%80%93Hopkinsville_encounter
?