/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

It's the least sausage because it's the closest abrahamism comes to being pagan. It's still sausage, you could just be pagan instead, or a Stirnerite, or both if you go the animist route.

That said Catholicism has the coolest aethetics of all abrahamism, and has places of worship that don't look like a car dealership that you can actually visit without having to learn Japanese or Chinese first.

>>398508
Orthodox is based. Embrace the mystery embrace the onion dome.

They wanted to do away with the smells and bells of "frivolous worship" and do something plain and simple, a bit like the Cartusian monks of Chartreuse, but unlike the monks, are falliable, as we all are, and take ignoble pride in their "modest hubris" and that's why square box buildings are some derivative of Martin Luther's Christ killer funded heresy.

The church is flawed, because we are flawed. Schisms don't improve nor repair the flaws. I am Catholic, in that I want all who follow Christ to be of one voice. We should not squabble amongst ourselves when literal demons have been set loose to terrorise mankind.

>>398662
I am currently exploring Orthodox and Catholicism. What I don't like about Catholicism is the papal infalliblity. Look at this. This is obvious not biblical.
https://www.christianpost.com/news/jews-saved-heaven-salvation-without-jesus-christ-vatican-claims-pope-francis-israel.html

>>398676
Moscow church is not orthodox. It's soviet KGB sect.

>>398678
You a gay nigger. Russian architecture is based.

>>398679
Russian architecture is ugly.

>>398683
Yo mama

>>398678
Those terms are not mutually exclusive.
Like how Evangelicals are a front for Mossad infiltration.

>>398690
You say that just because you don't like Evangelicals. But problem is that the modern russian orthodox church was literally founded by Stalin and since the 1940s works for regime.

>>398694
>You say that just because you don't like Evangelicals
No, I'm completely fine with Evangelicals. I have several Evangelical friends. I am just disgusted at how the CIA/Mossad has subverted their religion for political ends. Luckily, a lot of the younger Evangelicals are waking up to the psyop.
>since the 1940s works for regime.
Yes, I am well aware of the history.

>>398694
Russian culture is dogshit, but the Greek orthodox is based and so is Russian architecture before the jew communists turned everything into commie blocks.

>>398698
Russian churches are pretty cool, yeah. The swirly spires look like yummy frozen yogurt.
>the jew communists turned everything into commie blocks
Yeah, unironically. For a while, questioning the aesthetics of brutalism was considered to be counterrevolutionary, an architecture style pushed by Jews for the deliberate purpose of destroying white culture.

>>398703
>Russian churches are pretty cool, yeah. The swirly spires look like yummy frozen yogurt
Oh, come on. This is just one church in country. Typical russian church looks like that.

>>398706
Still pretty cool. Nice colors.

>>398706
That is still pretty based

>>398706
>>398709
They don't even look like that, well, that's if we're talking about colors.

>>398782
It looks more like this:

>>398784
The lawn looks like a man's bald spot in his 40s.

>>398698
>Russian architecture before the jew communists turned everything into commie blocks.
NOOOOO!!! This is exactly OUR (actually Soviet) ARCHETICTURE! (I'm Russian, by the way)

Don't give to the Jews what the Russians have done for themselves!

>>398786
>high density infrastructure le bad
Commie blocks mean more space for nice buildings and keeping nature in-tact. I'd rather that than sprawling suburban tar pits. This shit was designed by kikes to have negative feng shui and waste as much gas and time out of your day as possible, or mangle your feet if you refuse to buy a several ton spyware device with the maintainance of a tomogachi. Not even getting started on lawns. A healthy mind doesn't think "I wish grass was extinct by any mechanism necessary" as often as mine has, yet having to mow a lawn while knowing the history, sociology and economics around lawns does that shit to you. I shouldn't have to wish death on a plant. I'd love for my primary exposure to grass to be the wilderness, unowned by anyone, but no, it's fucking lawns.

>>398791
>Commie blocks mean more space for nice buildings and keeping nature in-tact.
Which ones? I don't understand how you came to that conclusion. Panel buildings occupy a significant part of the urban environment in cities, and they look shabby! They're precisely what's currently hindering the construction of "something beautiful." Many simply ignore the idea of ​​improving the appearance of mass-produced residential buildings and have become accustomed to them.
>and keeping nature in-tact
This does not prevent either the Soviet or Russian (although such houses exist not only in Russia) authorities from polluting the environment.
>This shit was designed by kikes...
Why do you all hate Jews so much? Honestly, it's a culture shock to me.
>Not even getting started on lawns. A healthy mind doesn't think "I wish grass was extinct by any mechanism necessary"...
So, I suppose these eco-friendly claims have to do with lawn mowing in America? Do you know why yards in Russia look so overgrown? It's not because of "Soviet architects' brilliant idea to preserve nature," but because lawn mowing standards in Russia are incredibly low! (Like many other standards. (Although they're not as low as you might think.) By the way, do you know what private property owners in Russia should do? Mow the grass. (I was mowing the grass at my "dacha" this summer, and I had similar thoughts. Although I had a wonderful time outdoors, at some point I stopped mowing the grass to simply admire it, see what lives in it, what flowers are growing.)
I actually agree with you on a lot of things. Why live in large or medium-sized cities and suburbs when you can live in the countryside? It's a total blast!

>>398793
Honestly not too sure about russia specifically but commie blocks build tall rather than sprawl. It's not a comprensive solution but it is more space.

>>398784
What a lovely building. The metallic dome beneath the spire is iconic, while the rest of the building is grand, and yet also modest.
>>398791
>Commie blocks mean more space for nice buildings and keeping nature in-tact.
In spite of that, commies didn't really keep nature in tact when they could manage it. Soviets raped Lake Baikal. Mao completely ravaged almost every forest.
>negative feng shui
Nonsense. Feng Shui is where superstition meets vanity.
>maintainance of a tomogachi
Sounds like a skill issue. Only retards can't maintain a car.
>having to mow a lawn
Literally the easiest weekly chore in my entire week. Completely offset by the quality of life that comes with the personal space of having a lawn.
>knowing the history, sociology and economics around lawns does that shit to you
Sounds like a personal problem. The knowledge doesn't bother me at all.
>I shouldn't have to wish death on a plant.
You don't.
>I'd love for my primary exposure to grass to be the wilderness, unowned by anyone, but no, it's fucking lawns.
You could move to Russia. They're giving free land to people willing to live in undeveloped frontiers. Plus if that doesn't work you could instead move into that ugly commie block housing you love so much.

>>398794
They are built at a height of 5-9 floors.
And you didn't take into account that in Russia there are quite wide streets (I'm comparing more with Europe and their cities, I'm not talking about the suburbs, because I don't even really understand "what that is")
And I want to return to the take about "Commie blocks mean more space for nice buildings." Compare the street in the left picture and the view of the area on the right (on the right is St. Petersburg, and on the left... St. Petersburg. How much space is there for "nice buildings"?)

>>398502
>Why Are Modern Protestants So Fucking sausage?
Protestants aren't really one sect, but many sects all with different beliefs, and therefore more range of options to be schizo or pozzed. The ones who are the most schizo or pozzed tend to be the ones who draw attention to themselves, and are therefore more noticeable.
This isn't even exclusive to modern Protestants: it's how it's always been, but centuries ago individual micro-sects had fewer opportunities to be especially schizo or pozzed because the local government or feudal warlords would just kill off anyone who was especially annoying or heretical.
Puritans were sausage, and they're older than this country. The aftermath of puritan sausage is still felt to this day, manifesting in various old laws and litigious media censorship.

>>398795
>undeveloped frontiers
no)

>>398796
Hmm, maybe I'm making the same mistake as people that think adding more lanes would fix traffic then. Perhaps when you build high density that just results in more people moving in, so the blocks expand.

>>398801
You just shouldn't live or move to big cities with tons of people, that's all. You won't solve the problem of environmental sustainability by building buildings upwards instead of outwards if the city already has over a million people living there.

>>398502
>all Protestants are prosperity gospel
>catholics are the only ones who help the poor
Please shut up. You make other Catholics look stupid and you aren’t helping the church.

>>398515
>>398665
I considered it. Things like the Toll Houses were too gnostic and absurd for me.
Also if we rule out churches based on what leaders occasionally say, then Eastern “Orthodoxy” is out because the Russian Patriarch said if you die in Jihad for the Russian state you get to go to heaven.

>>398673
>>398676
>>398706
>>398784
Remember that no matter the denomination you have pretty Churches and you have ugly churches. The architecture itself isn't indicative of whether a tradition is correct.

>>399846
Yo mama

Worship whatever, just don't commit crimes and we kosher.

>>399844
I'm not even catholic. Protestants are so cring

>>399844
>Eastern “Orthodoxy” is out because the Russian Patriarch said if you die in Jihad for the Russian state you get to go to heaven.
They don't have papal infalibility though.

Fuck The Oven Fuel JEWS
https://firmisrael.org/learn/how-war-with-iran-and-hamas-may-fit-within-bible-prophecy/
Jesus would hate these serpants today.
they way they see and want everything and everyone as a tool for their execuse of existence.
i did not even screen shotted the worst parts.

even in quran, allah is backing up these assholes.
Why in hell allah would give them wealth and help them to overcome?! against his followers???
at least (i can't believe i am saying this but) i hope the massage at the end happens to jews.
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And We gave Moses the Scripture and made it a guide for the Children of Israel, ˹stating:˺ “Do not take besides Me any other Trustee of Affairs,

˹O˺ descendants of those We carried with Noah ˹in the Ark˺! He was indeed a grateful servant.”

And We warned the Children of Israel in the Scripture, “You will certainly cause corruption in the land twice, and you will become extremely arrogant.

When the first of the two warnings would come to pass, We would send against you some of Our servants of great might, who would ravage your homes. This would be a warning fulfilled.

Then ˹after your repentance˺ We would give you the upper hand over them and aid you with wealth and offspring, causing you to outnumber them.

If you act rightly, it is for your own good, but if you do wrong, it is to your own loss. “And when the second warning would come to pass, your enemies would ˹be left to˺ totally disgrace you and enter that place of worship as they entered it the first time, and utterly destroy whatever would fall into their hands.

Perhaps your Lord will have mercy on you ˹if you repent˺, but if you return ˹to sin˺, We will return ˹to punishment˺. And We have made Hell a ˹permanent˺ confinement for the disbelievers.”

source:
surah al isra (Israelites) 17:2 to 17:9
https://quran.com/al-isra

>>399891
I hate the sick Evangelical fucks who enable them. "If we bomb kids in Yemen then Jesus will come back faster!"

>>399894
i agree with you my brother in Christ
but it is not their mistake, jews influence corrupted these people for personal gain, they see them as money bags and they turned them into doom scrolling and self destructive and jew strategy loving sheep.
it is really hard to clean this guy's head from their mind virus.
God may help them to realize it one day and from my understanding of zionist ,they will fuck up their reputation so bad eventually that the whole world would come to realization to why they and their action should be despised and acted against.
trust the word of God and our Lord will never guide the wicked and cruel ones.

>>399891
>...God moved these godless Persian kings...
Well, it's pretty obvious that some retarded asshole wrote this.
When these kikes were sacrificing their kids to a bunch of demonic bull-headed idols, we were worshiping the one true god and basically had the first monotheistic religion. The fact that instead of pronouncing Yahweh with an ugly hebrew accent, we called him Ahura Mazda, doesn't make us godless.
It's clear these morons have never even read the Avesta, of course, I wouldn't expect anything from them. When they swallow the bullshit in the book of Esther (like the bizarre discrepancies and contradictions in the ages of some named characters, or that Xerxes(the king who burned Athens down) was some clownish, confused ruler) and yet still believe that supporting people who they think killed jesus is somehow good for jesus christ!, you really shouldn't put much stock in their brains.
>>399892
No, originally quran states that they were initially a chosen people, but then due to corruption, disbelief, and so on (ordinary jewish stuff), they were cursed by god and, as the saying goes, "از عرش به فرش رسیدند".
They are known as a cursed, cowardly, and oppressive nation.

>Then, because of their breaking their covenant We cursed them and made their hearts hard: they pervert words from their meanings, and have forgotten a part of what they were reminded.(5:13)

>The faithless among the Children of Israel were cursed on the tongue of David and Jesus son of Mary. That, because they would disobey and they used to commit transgression.They would not forbid one another from the wrongs that they committed. Surely, evil is what they had been doing.(5:78,79)

>So they were struck with abasement and poverty, and they earned Allah’s wrath. That, because they would deny the signs of Allah and kill the prophets unjustly. That, because they would disobey and commit transgressions.(2:61)

>Then because of their breaking their covenant, their defiance of Allah’s signs, their killing of the prophets unjustly and for their saying, ‘Our hearts are uncircumcised’… Indeed, Allah has set a seal on them for their unfaith, so they do not have faith except a few.(4:155)
>>399894
Even now, I still haven't wrapped my head around why evangelical christians are such big supporters of jews. Plus, based on the meaning of their name, they should logically be christians who only grasp the truth through interpreting the gospel alone. Didn't the gospel establish a new covenant? Didn't jesus christ himself tell the jews not to play the "jew game" so much and not to think they're some special hot shit? So why do christians think they are some special shit??

>>399896
oh hi ,weird that you are awake too,i hope you're doing good
>godless persian
yeah that is most insulting thing you can say to someone who God told him to save their asses and rebuild their shit.
Cyrus made a mistake ,these fucks are never ending demanders and ungrateful to God himself too (ref to them praying for a golden cow after seeing many miracles)
idk if you ever read the torah but even in that they are being cursed by God all the times too not just bible and quran alone.
also yeah jews writing always will be rage inducing.
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>about evangelicals...
that is a made up sub-Christian cult by the jews themselves,like wahabis for example.
they have no origins and pretty the whole rapture bullshit is a made up nonsense by them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHT-SjIM0tA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1_O0HZRRqE
def watch these two videos when you had time.
not to forget these motherfucking evangelical pastors and false prophets keep predicting the day of judgement and they say that Jesus gave them power to heal people. two of the sins that Bible disallows people from commiting.
also they ask for their mega churches with saying that the more you spent the more god will give you in return.
which is the most jewish you can do. and those pastors are rich af.
Jesus never asked anyone for money.
>about quran verses
interesting , maybe i don't believe islam but both of us can agree that jews are wicked and God forsaken.
i still don't understand why God would be this patience with these people and helping them so much.
i guess every story needs an antagonist(?)

>>399903
God put evil on this world so that good can become stronger than it.

>>399905
hmm... that is a good take on it.

>>399903
>oh hi
Oh hey! Sorry for late, I fell asleep.
>weird that you are awake too,i hope you're doing good
I'm doing fine. It's just that, for the sake of my student income, I'm forced to stay up late every couple of weeks to edit the sadistic chemistry exam tests of a konkur institute (maz).
Why are you awake??
>yeah that is most insulting thing you can say to someone who God told him to save their asses and rebuild their shit.
We owe Babylon an apology. They had the right to slave them.
>Cyrus made a mistake...
Cyrus was too kind hearted. Unfortunately, at that time they appeared to be a "persecuted people", and their filthy true nature had not yet been revealed. Later, of course, they showed their true face by killing Iranians, the first real blow against humankind (purim)... that is, if we assume the nonsense in the book of Esther is even real.
>idk if you ever read the torah...
Not yet. At the moment, I'm reading the Avesta, and I believe it's a book whose Yasht section, at the very least, should be taught in schools as part of aryan and mythological studies. After that, I plan to read the torah and the bible, and eventually, in my spare time, I might take a look at the Babylonian talmud as well. Recently, religious texts have started to become quite interesting to me.
>also yeah jews writing always will be rage inducing.
The book of Esther is basically a shameful record of their terrible actions, proudly told as if it were something to celebrate, assuming it was even real.
>that is a made up sub-Christian cult by the jews themselves,like wahabis...
I had already seen the second video. I just watched the first one too. Even though, because of all the drama between Al jazeera and the israeli government, you really can't fully trust either side when they talk about each other, I still know well enough what kind of nonsense evangelicals are.
I always wonder, if Luther came back today and saw these evangelical christians, wouldn't he treat them even worse than he treated the roman church? I keep asking myself: is this really what Martin Luther wanted?
>interesting , maybe i don't...
I think god wants to show the stubbornness of wicked humans, that despite all the kindness he's given them, they still keep on with their filthy ways.
>>399905
This is also a reasonable perspective.

>>399865
>They don't have papal infalibility though.
Irrelevant. Your argument was “Catholicism is wrong cause here is a non-ex cathedra statement that the pope said”. So the standard you put forward equally applies to the Patriarch of Moscow. Additionally you have failed to account for the historical Eastern Orthodox canons on communing with heretics. Since what the Patriarch said is clearly heterodox at best then canon law was demand the rest of the EO hierarchy would cease communion, but they haven’t.

>>399915
I think Catholism is wrong because the pope said jews go to heaven without accepting christ, indulgences, and boy buggery. It's unbiblical and pushed by the pope as infallible.

>>399905
>jewgawd yahweh creates & unleashes evil
>hedindunuffinrong
jewgawd yawheh is evil.

>>399929
Yo mama

>>399916
>without accepting Christ, indulgences, and boy buggery.
Well I only have a problem with the not accepting christ bit. Odd to admit you take issue with people not accepting boy buggery, but then again considering some of the people your church has chosen to make saints that's kinda in character.
>It's unbiblical
Yes.
>and pushed by the pope as infallible.
As stated before it wasn't an ex cathedra statement so no its not infallible. So your back to your previous issue. IF making an unbiblical statement invalidates a church how do you square that with what has been pushed by the Patriarch of Moscow? It seems that you are holding Catholics to a standard you yourself cant live up to.
I think Palamism and particularly Russian Palamism is wrong because the Patriarch said jews, Muslims etc. can go to heaven without accepting christ as long as they get nuked for the Russian State. It's unbiblical and the hierarchy of the Russia Church and broader "orthodoxy" hasn't sanctioned the Patriarch.

>>399936
The patriarch isn't considered infallible in orthodoxy though. Also Greek has a lot more going for it than the Russians.

>>399936
Oh well if it wasn't ex cathedral I guess I was wrong on that one. Still the indulgences and rape scandals in the catholic church are more than enough to tell me that their church has serious problems and is not the church founded by Christ. My problems with protestantism doesn't come from the leaders so much as they come from the average protestant. Protestants are either pro-hiv fag lovers or tinfoil retards who think the covid vax was the mark of the beast. Nothing in-between and a good case study on why leadership and hierarchy are necessary for the church to survive.

>>399938
>The patriarch isn't considered infallible in orthodoxy though.
Please see my previous post.
Irrelevant. Your argument was “Catholicism is wrong cause here is a non-ex cathedra statement that the pope said”. So the standard you put forward equally applies to the Patriarch of Moscow. Additionally you have failed to account for the historical Eastern Orthodox canons on communing with heretics. Since what the Patriarch said is clearly heterodox at best then canon law was demand the rest of the EO hierarchy would cease communion, but they haven’t.

>>399939
>Oh well if it wasn't ex cathedral I guess I was wrong on that one.
Hey at least you admit to being wrong. Thank you & I Can't fault you there, very mature & Unironic Respect.
>Still the indulgences and rape scandals in the catholic church are more than enough to tell me that their church has serious problems and is not the church founded by Christ.
Not sure thats the standard you want to set, and I suspect you don't actually believe that. Just me theorising, but I think if I point out the myriad of Rape/Pedophilia/Grooming Scandals with Eastern "Orthodoxy" you will say that doesn't disprove it. I don't think it does, that's why I don't make the "but priest did le bad thing" argument.
Metropolitan Hilarion Alfeyev, who was considered to be one of the figures with the potential to become the next Patriarch of Moscow, just last year I think, was caught grooming (and presumably having sex with) one of his male underlings. He was not stripped of his priesthood, but shuttled off to lead a small diocese someone in Russia (the very thing people complain about the Vatican doing). The Monk that co-founded the Monestary with Serephim Rose was a homosexual who groomed and had sex with younger monks. Turns out there is corruption everywhere like the Bible says.
>My problems with protestantism doesn't come from the leaders so much as they come from the average protestant.
And thats a fair complaint. I HATE how ignorant most protestants are of their own traditions and how they would rather seethe at Catholics than actually uphold the traditions of the Reformers.
>Protestants are either pro-hiv fag lovers or tinfoil retards who think the covid vax was the mark of the beast.
Yes and no. I know a ton of the tinfoil retards who went ROCOR. Its a sad fact, but Confessional Prots (Lutherans, Hussites, etc.) are a minority and aren't very loud so they aren't seen. Squeeky wheel gets the oil.
>Nothing in-between and a good case study on why leadership and hierarchy are necessary for the church to survive.
Again there are stuff in between, they just don't scream because by their nature they are behaving biblically. They aren't screaming down peoples throats so its not that they don't exist, its just they mind their own P&Qs. Confessional Prots don't reject leadership or hierarchy btw.

>>399941
I really don't like Vatican 2. That's the biggest reason I shy away from the Catholics. That's and indulgences. The reason I like the Orthodox Church is because there is a reverence for God in those churches that seems to be lacking in other churches.

>>399942
I used to hate Vatican 2 during my TradCath phase, but I got over it. If people hate it, eh fine by me I won’t lose sleep over that face, but I rarely find people have actually read the documents of Vatican 2.
In terms of EOs having reverence I agree, their liturgy is very formal and structured and has a lot of outward smells and bells, but my issue is always is with what is left once you strip away the eternal. High Lutheran Masses, Latin Masses, Oriental Orthodox, Church of the East, Mar Thoma (Oriental Protestants) all have just as many smells and bells in my opinion. But none of those other churches dictate that I think all people who say “and the Son” are going to hell. Or that Icon veneration is mandatory. Or that I accept those that believe in the Toll Houses. Protestantism for all its flaws, does (in is confessional form) protect the core message of Christanity.

>>399943
I don't think you should be taking books out of the Bible though.

>>399945
>I don't think you should be taking books out of the Bible though.
Lmao, I used to use that argument all the time in my TradCath phase “but Le Luther removed books from the Bible”. It’s a bad argument. The canon The Church used now does align with some laid down at locals councils such as Carthage, but it was only confirmed at an Ecumenical council, specifically Trent, which occurred after Luther’s death (I.E. post-schism).
Luther’s canon is actually identical to Saint Athanasius
Additonally, if you want to discuss adding and remove books the Council of Laodicea (which EO accept) in canon 59 and canon 60, prohibits reading non-canonical books in church and provides a canon list that excludes revelation. So did they remove books?
I’m not trying to Tu quoque you hear, merely showing you the flaws in arguments that I once myself used and spread. It’s a sad reality but deceived people deceive.

>>399947
Which branch of Christianity would you recommend then? The protestants have shown a lack of hierarchy doesn't work.

Most churches have done away with their traditions. The Orthodox kept their traditions. What other options are their? The closest thing is the evangelicals and they are a joke.

>>399914
>Why are you awake??
university and insomnia. i usually sleep at days (ig a vampire bite my ass)
agreed with rest of your sentences.
>Which branch of Christianity would you recommend then?
the ones that won't allow gay marriage in house of our Lord.
so orthodox and grigorians/armenians are the best (i know i'm biased)
honestly most orthodox that i met were super honest and justiceful. i respect catholics but they're becoming wokensized.
lutherans and methodists aren't bad either but very low populated.
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>pic
idk much about other ones , i need more researching.

>>399948
The main challenge in answering your question is that I am Catholic. That means I genuinely believe Catholicism is true, and naturally I would want you to become Catholic. However, I also want to be fair and honest. I recognize that the Catholic Church has real flaws, and I understand that reasonable people, sincerely seeking the truth, sometimes come to different conclusions. That doesn’t mean truth is subjective, it means that when we are dealing with 2,000 years of history, incomplete records, and human limitations, people may interpret the available evidence differently.

If you are asking for my advice, I think the most important question you need to ask yourself is: What makes me happy? What draws you to Eastern Orthodoxy, or any tradition and why? Is it beauty? A sense of “historical continuity”? Certainty? Community? Theology? You need to be honest about that.

If you’re looking for ecclesiological certainty, the idea that you can belong to a church that has no internal contradictions, no historical disputes, and no flawed leaders, you will be disappointed. That kind of certainty can be CHOSEN in any tradition simply by refusing to acknowledge problems. There are Mormons who claim absolute certainty about their church. But once you are honest about human sinfulness and institutional imperfection, that certainty goes away, no matter where you go.

If what draws you is the beauty of the liturgy, I completely understand. Beauty is a powerful force. If you are honest with yourself and others about why you are attracted to it, then I don’t see that as inherently problematic. Personally, I find the Coptic liturgy even more beautiful, and I am more persuaded by their theology, so that would be my preference. But beauty itself, at least in part, is subjective.

If your attraction is mostly rejection of the papacy, then you should be aware that there are other options: Confessional Lutheran churches like the LCMS or WELS still hold to ancient creeds and to the Book of Concord, one of the oldest continuously used confessions in Christianity. There are also Old Catholics (such as the Union of Scranton) who reject papal infallibility while preserving much of historic Catholic doctrine. Geography matters too, depending on where you live, some of these churches may not be available to you.

So my advice is this: Take a step back and honestly determine what it is that makes you happy. Not as an end point, but as an honest starter. You don’t even need to answer that to me, you need to answer it to yourself. Once you know what your heart is truly seeking, the path forward will become much clearer.

>>399952
What draws me to orthodoxy is the beauty of the liturgy and architecture. They also have Tesla.

>>399953
>is the beauty of the liturgy and architecture.
Fair enough, at least you are honest. The other “orthodox” Amerianons problem is they started with a whole bunch of critiques of Catholicism and “Protestantism” which were either dishonest caricatures or dishonest standards.
>They also have Tesla.
As in Nikola Tesla?
What does that factor in? Tesla wasn’t religious in the traditonal sense.

>>399951
What about the assyrians? Are there any notable religious differences between armenians and assyrians? Honestly, I haven't seen any real differences, except for ethnicity.

>>399954
I was confused on Tesla my bad.

There's only one church and Jesus Christ is the head. For starters, the roman catholic church rejects Jesus Christ and many parts of His doctrine outright, and act as though Jesus were a roman catholic too (it's actually their antichrist FAKE jesus, of which there are many) - that's when they're not literally gnashing on the real Jesus (in their jumbled minds) like zombie vampires during their pagan communion babylonian jew-magic cannibal rituals.
I feel so sorry for those who earnestly seek the only true God in a building created to exalt man and satan. It makes me look forward to witnessing God finally unleash His wrath upon the wicked. I'll be one of those singing praises as He does it.

The "denominations" will err and misrepresent Jesus Christ in some way, and this is because they're not fully placing Him at the head of their churches, keeping a little yummy selfish slice for themselves much to the devil's delight.

If you're honestly, earnestly wanting to find God then you'll find Him in the King James Bible (hated by many denominations and roman catholicism, but not all because censorship/deception by omission/misrepresentation works as well).
Start with the New Testament. Matthew's good but some people need to start with John, as it was written more for normies.
Avoid reading guides like the plague. I used to want to start with guides because I wasn't confident enough to understand the Bible, but if you're earnest, believe in and pray to Jesus Christ to help you understand His Word, then you'll never need another book or "man" to interpret the Holy Bible for you - although there's an exception: A Holy Ghost-filled Christian must help you understand salvation first, you must be a saved (from hell) Christian before you can begin to properly understand God's Word, and even then can you be misled, so that's where pastors come in to help keep their church members safe from going astray (due to false doctrine) here on earth.
Such pastors are getting very rare. Most have been "judaized" and turned their church building into worship centers for moloch, that's why overall the jews actually "like" today's Christians (the way someone likes a good milking/working/meat beast of burden, ready for slaughter when it's exhausted).

There are quite a lot of saved Christians who have had their minds and bodies destroyed to the point of not recognising Jesus Christ anymore. The world is worse off than you realise, much to the delight of Christ's enemies.

If you're an earnest Pony Stallion, or dog (like me) or even human, then accept Jesus Christ first as the head of the church and then pray to Him for guidance on which pastor isn't being deceptive. No man or pastor is perfect, but if you make Jesus Christ/God's Word/KJV Bible the ultimate authority then you'll be guided away from false prophets sooner or later and know when to overlook some mistakes a pastor may make every now and again. Give your all to Jesus Christ, leave nothing out, or you might just end up burning actual Christians at the stake for heresy (again) and going to hell.

Here's some good news to any potential Christian Stallions (and mares) that might be reading this: Animals are allowed in Heaven, and you'll get to sing praises together with me to Jesus Christ as He grinds satan's children to powder when the time comes. We'll be part of the most magnificent choir.
Vengeance is His alone, you can free yourself from thoughts of victimhood/carnal retribution and begin to heal with His guidance and healing. You may then even get other people in your vicinity saved from hell as well; take up the Great Commission.
The Holy Ghost is also called the Comforter; when He resides inside a saved Christian then our heart, our very inside gets healed and a perfect love and peacefulness resides there. We then already reside in Heavenly places, because God is residing inside of us. There's no need to build a temple to satan in spiritual sodom and egypt and exalt the synagogue of satan - the New Jerusalem reserved for Christians is one built without human hands.

Jesus Christ died/"paid" for everyone's sins, but it's up to the individual to either accept His offer to have paid for your sins, or to reject Him and His offer. Jesus Christ considers Christians His friends and children, and he has laid down His life for His friends and children, in our place! He took our punishment, like the greatest of fathers or superheroes would.
Make sure you don't let "man" come between you and the only one who could have and did pay the spiritual consequences of your past and future sins.
Never deciding is to decide for the default, which is the god of this world satan - the world is being driven to the point where there'll be no room remaining for neutrality, but not choosing Jesus Christ's offer is equal to rejecting it and therefore accepting the spiritual consequences of your sin (hell). Everyone's a sinner. Salvation is free, permanent and by faith in Jesus Christ alone. No works required.
It's the kind of offer that only someone who truly loves His children, and who truly is God could make. You'll be glad you accepted it.

>>399957
>Assyrians...
they mostly live in Iraq and syria , unfortunately i never met one irl or online , would be intresting to talk to one about their beliefs.

>>399964
Back in high school, I studied in kermanshah. I spent two years in the same class with an assyrian, and now, whenever I occasionally meet armenians in tehran, behaviorally and morally, they're not much different from that assyrian.
That's why I had assumed that, religiously speaking, there probably wasn't much difference between an armenian and an assyrian, but now I see that there seems to be a difference.(according to your pic)

>>399962
The problem is that so many of these people Christians are just so ignorant it makes them impossible to take them seriously. I want a pastor I can trust to help me interpret scripture. I want a hierarchy that is well versed and just. I want the original Bible from the Greek translation. I don't want to pretend a shot was the end of the world or that the antichrist is coming in two more weeks.

>>399968
I think this is arguably one of the actual flaws of protestantism. Protestants pride themselves in reading and interpreting scripture themselves, but few of them actually take it seriously, and many allow their existing biases to poison their interpretations of what they do read. The result is anarchy, willful ignorance, and non-canon nonsense presented as gospel.

>>399969
Some one finally put it into words. Thank you!

>>399968
>I want...
ORLY? Do you really mean it?!
See:
Deuteronomy 4:29
“But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.”

Jeremiah 29:13
“And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.”

Proverbs 8:17
“I love them that love me; and those that seek me early shall find me.”

Acts 17:27
“That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:”

Matthew 7:7
“Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:”

1 Chronicles 16:11
“Seek the LORD and his strength, seek his face continually.”

Luke 11:9
“And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.”
(All KJV)

Also, research Phillip and the Ethiopian.

...but then again... you probably don't really mean it, right?

>>399968
>>399970
It just sounds like you want someone to tell you what to do & think. You don’t want to work out your salvation with fear and trembling (Philippians 2:12). In essence you’re seeking intellectual outsourcing. You want to hand over personal spiritual responsibility to a hierarchy so you can feel safe. Wanting a pastor or bishop is fine, but desiring someone to replace discernment is not faith, it’s dependency.

>>399969
>I think this is arguably one of the actual flaws of protestantism. Protestants pride themselves in reading and interpreting scripture themselves, but few of them actually take it seriously,
This is one big ad-hom. You aren’t actually addressing anything other than a caricature of “Protestantism”. Which kind of Protestant? High? Middle? Low?
Lutheran? Anabaptist? Methodist?
The denominations where laypeople are most likely to have read the Bible cover-to-cover are overwhelmingly Evangelical and Baptist. Meanwhile, the average Eastern “Orthodox” or Catholic layperson often has not read Scripture beyond the liturgical snippets. That’s why you have tons of people who are “culturally” Catholic or EO. They do it cause their parents did it, or it’s part of their ethnic identity (Russian, Greek etc. diaspora).
You are are just asserting that “Protestants” don’t take it seriously, but you aren’t even serious about critiquing Protestantism.
>and many allow their existing biases to poison their interpretations of what they do read.
I would say 90% of ecclesialists do the same. Denominations like EO and Catholic have “study Bibles” for that exact reason. To tell people how to interpret what they are reading.
>The result is anarchy, willful ignorance, and non-canon nonsense presented as gospel.
If Protestant diversity is “anarchy,” what do you call “Orthodoxy’s” mutually excommunicating jurisdictions, competing patriarchates, national churches, internal divisions over baptism or universalism vs. hard exclusivism? At least Protestants openly acknowledge their differences. Eastern “Orthodoxy” hides behind a myth of unity.

>>400021
I don't know the difference between any of the different types of Christianity and always figured it didn't matter.

Can i get away with praying to god, listening to Jesus and respecting the other biblical figures rather than picking a specific label of worship?

(I also went through a long faze of atheism, i am renewing myself to it all as well as having a mlp renaissance)

Tehran Opens New “Holy Virgin Mary” Metro Station.
https://parametric-architecture.com/tehran-holy-virgin-mary-metro-station/?srsltid=AfmBOorHjusKU2TnW4XIeQXJzQbau6Q_yqgTLp2o25Vdsleh-bFuGcu_
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tODB5Zg5d7k
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Btw prior to this month, i've seen and heard so many people secretly converting in our chruches.
it is getting faster than few years.
News can be a bit over exaggerated about this subject that iran is the fastest growing christian country because statics are not available due to the fact that converting is punishable by death/jail and people are scared to openly admit it and governemnt wouldn't want to publicly announced it.
i am sure after regime change this process would be speed up and people can convert to whatever religion they want more freely.

>>400030
Is this related to the OP's question somehow? Or is this a sub-thread tangent?

>>400032
been asked somewhere else a long ago didn't want to unnecessarily bump that thread again.
so the latter. cause it is christian/religious related.

>>400027
No, what I want is guidance from men who spent their lives studying the word and practicing it. Not randos who tell me Pokémon is satanic. I don't think wanting a just hierarchy is abandoning responsibility. The fact that you think it is only proves my point about protestants.

>>400027
Orthodoxy is open about being decentralized and religion does need a degree of decentralization as man is not the ultimate authority, but God is.

>>400021
I absolutely think Jesus is the primary authority not some protestant moron who told me vaccines are the end of the world though.

>>400021
And why would you think I don't want to follow Christ because I said I don't want to listen to protestant conspiratard fanfics.

>>400035
>>400037
>what I want is guidance from men who spent their lives studying the word and practicing it. Not randos who tell me Pokémon is satanic.
What you’re describing is not “Protestantism,” it’s a narrow slice of American non-denominational and Baptist fundamentalism. It’s simply inaccurate to reduce the entire Reformation tradition to independent fringe groups.
Are you just regurgitating talking points you’ve been fed by someone? I’ve explained multiple times why would your describing doesn’t accurately represent all Protestants. To give you an example of what you’re doing.
A man says “I could never become Eastern Orthodox, I disagree with Ecclesialists. I don’t think a single man has the ability to speak ex cathedra”.
Is that a rational argument?
On a basic level he’s correct. “Orthodox” are Ecclesialists and the Holy Roman Catholic Church is Ecclesialist. However “Orthodox” don’t accept that the Supreme Pontiff has the capacity to speak ex cathedra.
A random Baptist and a random Methodist or Lutheran might both be Protestants, but that doesn’t mean they believe the same things.
>I don't think wanting a just hierarchy is abandoning responsibility. The fact that you think it is only proves my point about protestants.
No, the fact that you lump all Reformation traditions into a caricature proves my point—you aren’t actually interacting with historic Protestantism or its ecclesiology. You’re railing against a strawman you’ve been conditioned to call “Protestant.”Protestantism is not synonymous with anti-hierarchy individualism.
Lutherans, Anglicans, Moravians, and Hussites have bishops.
Presbyterians have formally trained presbyters and synods.
Methodism began as a high-discipline, rigorously ordered system of spiritual accountability.
Your argument collapses once you acknowledge this basic historical fact.

>>400036
To address your point about “Orthodoxy” acknowledging its own decentralisation, that wasn’t my point. I never raised that as an issue because I don’t consider all decentralisation an issue. My point was regarding your complaint about the supposed “anarchy, willful ignorance, and non-canon nonsense” in Protestantism. I pointed out that those issues exist within Orthodoxy.

>>400049
>No, the fact that you lump all Reformation traditions into a caricature proves my point—you aren’t actually interacting with historic Protestantism or its ecclesiology. You’re railing against a strawman you’ve been conditioned to call “Protestant.”Protestantism is not synonymous with anti-hierarchy individualism.
Lutherans, Anglicans, Moravians, and Hussites have bishops.
Alright that's fair. I guess I should have made the thread about Baptists and pentecostals.

>>400058
I mostly was trolling, but I really do think baptists and Pentecostals are retarded.

>>398502
They all have their problems. Catholicism and Orthodoxy have fallen by adding Ashtaroth into their canon via Mary worship and the Catholics even more so with the blasphemy of papal infallibility, the saints, the blasphemy against Christ by stating the Synagogue of Satan will reach the Kingdom of Heaven without knowing Jesus Christ, and now adding in prayer rooms for Muslims who have violated the commandments of the LORD my God by adding non-canon scripture to their Bible and refusing to recognize the divnity of Christ. Neither "jews" nor Muslims will enter the kingdom of heaven if they do not accept Jesus Christ as their LORD and Personal Savior and to include idols or areas of worship for them in the house of the LORD is tantamount to when Manasseh brought to altars of Baal and all the hosts of heaven into the house of the LORD.

>>398791
I don't understand how Russia can be one of the largest land masses on Earth, so big that it contains quite literally every time zone, and it needs to "conserve space" by building sprawling ghetto projects?

Make the people spread out and live on homesteads. A literal hut with a thatched roof would be better.

>>398820
This. Cities are anti-human and honestly should be outlawed.

>>399915
Nta but it's certainly relevant. If the Pope is going to claim he can't make a mistake because the LORD is literally speaking gospel through him then he needs to be held to that standard and it's obviously not the case. Orthodox are like most every other denomination in which their priests are human as any other and prone to mistakes or sin just as Aaron and many other holy men of the Bible themselves were and were often punished or even smote for their sins. In this scenario it's perfectly fair to hold them to different standards due to what they're asserting.

It's like when atheists claim there is no God but can't explain the origins of the universe or how something could have either come from nothing or been eternal with no divine explanation. It's impossible from a purely mundane sense but perfectly natural for Christianity to be able to say God did it because he's the Almighty and can do anything.

>>400319
>christianism
I always consult an authoritative source in that matter.

>>400318
Cities are much like leaded gasoline; bad for the environment, damaging to brain development, and obsolete.

>>400315
Neither of them worship Mary or saints. They prey WITH the saints not to them. You can argue if that is bad or not but you at least should know what they are doing.

>>400326
I have heard of sects that worship other biblical figures. That's just plain wrong and against everything Christian, and I'm not even that versed in it. The only figure to worship for a christian is God, and it is done through attending to Jesus. Seems straightforward to me, I dun get why other sects exist.

>>400327
Have you tried going to an Orthodox or Catholic Church and asking them about these practices? They are not worshiping anyone other than Jesus.

>>400328
I didn't imply that catholics/orthodoxs worship some others. I did not even attempt to repute your words, just tangent off it. I actually quite agree with your post.

On the topic though, perhaps what >>400315 talks about is the occasional mental trap that people can get into where they respect someone a little too much and it becomes a type of worship. Other than that, I don't understand his words and it sounds like schizo babble.

>>400329
Oh my bad. Wasn't paying attention to ID. Thought you were the schizo.

>>400329
But to your point there are definitely Catholics and Orthodox Christians who take icons to the point of idolatry. Some Orthodox Christians and Catholics don't fully understand what they believe.

>>400319
I would like to retract my statement as after reading further I saw the clarification about it not being one of the infallible statements.

>>400326
>>400328
Interesting. I will say I've seen a lot of Catholics online saying they do pray to Mary or the Saints and say it's because "God can't busy himself with trivial matters" or "you can't call a company and expect to speak to the CEO." and I think that's a load of bunk.

I will say though my Grandfather was Catholic, and while he didn't attend church or go to confession he was one of the most Christian and virtuous men I've ever known. I do like the idea of joining a congregation that's kept the word and the truth alive and to meet others and hear their priests speak, but I get torn because ultimately I think all of the things I would be seeking from that are things I should just be turning to the LORD for and he will provide them for me.

I've also noticed (mostly due to having met some Mormons in the past) that there are some "churches" that seen to exist only to convince you they are gatekeepers between yourself and the LORD. With the Mormons specifically after being invited to their church by a friend I heard their Bishop preaching that you had to surrender yourself to their (his and other leaders) will and do tasks that they assigned you or they wouldn't grant you permission to enter their "temples" which was the only possible way to communicate with the Holy Spirit and as such you would be damned to hell for all eternity. It really seemed like a scam just to indoctrinate ajd control people. The whole reason our bodies are temples in the first place is because the Holy Spirit is within us and we have a personal relationship to the LORD and pray to him directly. No one and no force can separate us from God, especially when we turn to him with all of our hearts. That, and inevitably seeing these failings such as saying jews dont need to believe in Jesus, allowing muslims to worship in the house of the LORD, supporting homosexuality, among others makes me feel as though the only option is to read the Bible yourself and pray directly to the LORD for guidance.

I feel supported in this because so far in my readings I've seen a continuous cycle of men of God falling astray their next generation doing so (it was Aaron, the first priest, after all who fashioned the golden calf, and his sons were smote by the LORD for desecrating the sacrifical altar) so this gives me pause with the claims that certain congregations are old or long-standing.

>>400334
I am Eastern Orthodox and praying with the saints is similar to how you might ask a friend to pray for you. If I am praying with a saint or Mary it is because I need the intercession for my prayers.

>>398502
I collected some statistics about religions in Russia. Overall we have:
- Orthodox 119 millions (82%);
- Muslims 10 millions (6.8%);
- Catholics 1.5 millions;
- Buddhists 1 million;
- Pagan/Sects 1.5 million.

Most of them not really religious, compared to republican USA or Islam countries:
- Attend service 2-3 per month: 4.1 million Orthodox (3.4%); 0.7 million Muslims (7.3%)
- Attend service every week: 1.7 million Orthodox (1.4%); 0.4 million Muslims (4.1%)
- Active Pagans/Sects: 0.1 million (6.7%)
So, Muslims ×4.1 more active compared to Orthodox.

Russia have 15 million population of ethnic Muslims, but 5 millions of them are atheists, through 2000-2020s 1.5 millions of them be baptized into Orthodoxy. In mixed families 80% children switched to Orthodoxy. Russia has about 20k Orthodox priest and monks and 400 of them are ethnic Muslims. Traditional Islam is declining, except Chechen and Dagestan. They are permitted to serve as national guard battalions with own commanders, but without heavy weapon and aviation. After the war their battalions becomes popular among Orthodox soldiers because of limited 6-12 months contracts, which makes them half Christian half Muslim. Echo of the Chechen war finally faded.

At same time through 2000-2020s 0.1 million of Christians switched to Islam (mostly Salafism). This is 60k married females (50% of them left Russia to Muslim countries, mostly Turkey) and 40k mans (mostly ethnic Ukrainians, Armenians and surprisingly Jews). Overall we have about 0.7 million Salafists (7% of Muslims), mostly migrants from Tajikistan and Uzbekistan. They can form 35-70k armed militia, which considered dangerous before the war. They are not permitted to military service.

Orthodox soldiers ignores Islam propaganda almost completely, but among atheists before the war we had noticeable drift: Nazism --> Paganism --> Salafism. But currently Salafists quite soft people compared to Orthodox militants.

>>400380
>Nazism --> Paganism --> Salafism
That's inconsistent. The religion of the race/blood is eternal and immutable while asian abrahamic myths are subject of human interpretation.

sorry OP, a little bit of teachings in bible is needed here.
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Jeremiah 5.15-31
I am going to bring upon you a nation from far away, O house of Israel, says the Lord. It is an enduring nation, it is an ancient nation, a nation whose language you do not know, nor can you understand what they say. Their quiver is like an open tomb; all of them are mighty warriors. They shall eat up your harvest and your food; they shall eat up your sons and your daughters; they shall eat up your flocks and your herds; they shall eat up your vines and your fig trees; they shall destroy with the sword your fortified cities in which you trust. But even in those days, says the Lord, I will not make a full end of you. And when your people say, “Why has the Lord our God done all these things to us?” you shall say to them, “As you have forsaken me and served foreign gods in your land, so you shall serve strangers in a land that is not yours.”

Declare this in the house of Jacob, proclaim it in Judah: Hear this, O foolish and senseless people, who have eyes, but do not see, who have ears, but do not hear. Do you not fear me? says the Lord; Do you not tremble before me? I placed the sand as a boundary for the sea, a perpetual barrier that it cannot pass; though the waves toss, they cannot prevail, though they roar, they cannot pass over it. But this people has a stubborn and rebellious heart; they have turned aside and gone away. They do not say in their hearts, “Let us fear the Lord our God, who gives the rain in its season, the autumn rain and the spring rain, and keeps for us the weeks appointed for the harvest.”

Your iniquities have turned these away, and your sins have deprived you of good. For scoundrels are found among my people; they take over the goods of others. Like fowlers they set a trap; they catch human beings. Like a cage full of birds, their houses are full of treachery; therefore they have become great and rich, they have grown fat and sleek. They know no limits in deeds of wickedness; they do not judge with justice the cause of the orphan, to make it prosper, and they do not defend the rights of the needy. Shall I not punish them for these things? says the Lord, and shall I not bring retribution on a nation such as this? An appalling and horrible thing has happened in the land: the prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests rule as the prophets direct; my people love to have it so, but what will you do when the end comes?

2 Kings 21:12
therefore thus says the Lord, the God of Israel, ‘Behold, I am bringing such calamity on Jerusalem and Judah, that whoever hears of it, both his ears will tingle.

2 Chronicles 36:19
Then they burned the house of God and broke down the wall of Jerusalem, and burned all its fortified buildings with fire and destroyed all its valuable articles.

Jeremiah 44:11
“Therefore thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, ‘Behold, I am going to set My face against you for woe, even to cut off all Judah.

2 Samuel 24:16
When the angel stretched out his hand toward Jerusalem to destroy it, the Lord relented from the calamity and said to the angel who destroyed the people, “It is enough! Now relax your hand!” And the angel of the Lord was by the threshing floor of Araunah the Jebusite.

Chronicles 21:15
And God sent an angel to Jerusalem to destroy it; but as he was about to destroy it, the Lord saw and was sorry over the calamity, and said to the destroying angel, “It is enough; now relax your hand.” And the angel of the Lord was standing by the threshing floor of Ornan the Jebusite.

Jeremiah 9:11
“I will make Jerusalem a heap of ruins,
A haunt of jackals;
And I will make the cities of Judah a desolation, without inhabitant.”

Micah 3:12
Therefore, on account of you
Zion will be plowed as a field,
Jerusalem will become a heap of ruins,
And the mountain of the temple will become high places of a forest.

Ezekiel 21:27
A ruin, a ruin, a ruin, I will make it. This also will be no more until He comes whose right it is, and I will give it to Him.’

Jeremiah 13:9
“Thus says the Lord, ‘Just so will I destroy the pride of Judah and the great pride of Jerusalem.

Jeremiah 19:8
I will also make this city a desolation and an object of hissing; everyone who passes by it will be astonished and hiss because of all its disasters.

Jeremiah 19:11
and say to them, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, “Just so will I break this people and this city, even as one breaks a potter’s vessel, which cannot again be repaired; and they will bury in Topheth because there is no other place for burial.

Jeremiah 32:31
“Indeed this city has been to Me a provocation of My anger and My wrath from the day that they built it, even to this day, so that it should be removed from before My face,

Psalm 137:7
Remember, O Lord, against the sons of Edom
The day of Jerusalem,
Who said, “Raze it, raze it
To its very foundation.”

Jeremiah 26:18
“Micah of Moresheth prophesied in the days of Hezekiah king of Judah; and he spoke to all the people of Judah, saying, ‘Thus the Lord of hosts has said,
“Zion will be plowed as a field,
And Jerusalem will become ruins,
And the mountain of the house as the high places of a forest.”’

Luke 21:20
“But when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then recognize that her desolation is near.

Jeremiah 44:2
“Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel, ‘You yourselves have seen all the calamity that I have brought on Jerusalem and all the cities of Judah; and behold, this day they are in ruins and no one lives in them,

Jeremiah 44:6
Therefore My wrath and My anger were poured out and burned in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem, so they have become a ruin and a desolation as it is this day.

Ezekiel 43:3
And it was like the appearance of the vision which I saw, like the vision which I saw when He came to destroy the city. And the visions were like the vision which I saw by the river Chebar; and I fell on my face.

Ezekiel 33:21
Now in the twelfth year of our exile, on the fifth of the tenth month, the refugees from Jerusalem came to me, saying, “The city has been taken.”

Psalm 55:11
Destruction is in her midst;
Oppression and deceit do not depart from her streets.

2 Kings 14:13
Then Jehoash king of Israel captured Amaziah king of Judah, the son of Jehoash the son of Ahaziah, at Beth-shemesh, and came to Jerusalem and tore down the wall of Jerusalem from the Gate of Ephraim to the Corner Gate, 400 cubits.

2 Kings 25:10
So all the army of the Chaldeans who were with the captain of the guard broke down the walls around Jerusalem.

Nehemiah 1:3
They said to me, “The remnant there in the province who survived the captivity are in great distress and reproach, and the wall of Jerusalem is broken down and its gates are burned with fire.”

Jeremiah 39:2
in the eleventh year of Zedekiah, in the fourth month, in the ninth day of the month, the city wall was breached.

Nehemiah 2:3
I said to the king, “Let the king live forever. Why should my face not be sad when the city, the place of my fathers’ tombs, lies desolate and its gates have been consumed by fire?”

Nehemiah 2:17
Then I said to them, “You see the bad situation we are in, that Jerusalem is desolate and its gates burned by fire. Come, let us rebuild the wall of Jerusalem so that we will no longer be a reproach.”

Psalm 79:1
A Psalm of Asaph.
O God, the nations have invaded Your inheritance;
They have defiled Your holy temple;
They have laid Jerusalem in ruins.

Psalm 79:7
For they have devoured Jacob
And laid waste his habitation.

Lamentations 2:9
Her gates have sunk into the ground,
He has destroyed and broken her bars.
Her king and her princes are among the nations;
The law is no more.
Also, her prophets find
No vision from the Lord.

Lamentations 4:11
The Lord has accomplished His wrath,
He has poured out His fierce anger;
And He has kindled a fire in Zion
Which has consumed its foundations.

Psalm 89:40
You have broken down all his walls;
You have brought his strongholds to ruin.

Daniel 9:2
in the first year of his reign, I, Daniel, observed in the books the number of the years which was revealed as the word of the Lord to Jeremiah the prophet for the completion of the desolations of Jerusalem, namely, seventy years.

Lamentations 2:13
How shall I admonish you?
To what shall I compare you,
O daughter of Jerusalem?
To what shall I liken you as I comfort you,
O virgin daughter of Zion?
For your ruin is as vast as the sea;
Who can heal you?

>>400576
by ancient nation probably means egypt,iran or iraq i can't think of any others.
>>400577
i just put it here for the evangelical faggots and protestants that say:
"oH aCcOrDiNg tO Bible , iSrAeL wIlL nEvEr bE dEsTrOyEd"
or
"wE sHoUlD pRay fOr hEaLtHiNeSs oF cHoSeN pEoPlE"
none of them, i repeat none of them, never ever mention any of these verses here
anywhere i searched i have not seen one forum or video discussing these verses against israelis. which there are so many of them.
Christians never was fund of israelites and judes.
they turn their back toward the massage of the God , and they're under his damnation because of that.

>>400576
What would you say the differences between Oriental Orthodox and Eastern Orthodox are?

>>400579
i just know that oriental are more about divinity of soul in one nature and staying away from major sins as much as possible, they're mostly located in middle east like armenia and syria. also they kept some of the classic roots such as fasting and sabbath day. also i heard that they don't have confession.
easterners are mostly located in greek and russia.
don't know much about them honestly.
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in general most orthodox i met were cool people. very just and very religious. even in online discussions they seem very kind.
more importantly they have not been wokesized.
they still don't accept sodomy , they won't accept bribery and gambling, and they really really try their hardest to differentiate themselves from judaism and western Christianity. even tho their priests look like rabbis in robes.

i have to admit that my knowledge about the various branches of Christianity is very limited.

one anon here was into Church structures so i was thinking , well why not i show off some of the churches in iran?
i nitpick the best ones.
>pic 1
<Known as oldest christian churches in the world.
Tataus or Qara Kilisa Church - Mako

Tataus or Qara Kilisa Church is one of the most prestigious and most decorated Armenian churches in Iran, located south of Mako and 20 km northeast of Chaldaran in the village of Qara Kilisa in West Azerbaijan Province. This church was built by a number of Armenian Christians in 302 AD in memory of one of the apostles of Jesus Christ named Tataus. Tataus is the first church built by the evangelists of Christ in the world. The name "Qara Kilisa" comes from the use of black stones in this building.
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<i personally attended to it many times, it is the closest active church that is near to my home town.
St. Sarkis Church - Tehran

St. Sarkis Church is located on Karimkhan Zand Street, at the beginning of Nejat Elahi Street in Tehran. This church was built at the personal expense of a benefactor from the Armenians of Tehran named Margar Sarkisian in memory of his wife and designed by engineer Eugene Aftandelians in 1349.
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<looks like a painting ^-^
Kantor Church or Bell Tower - Qazvin

Kantor Church is located in Qazvin and is a small church, but like other churches, it has a cruciform plan and its altar faces east. This church was built during the occupation of Iran by the Russians in World War II. The entrance to the church is on its western side and includes an entrance space with a sloping roof and an entrance door. After the entrance, there is a hall space, above which is the church bell tower, about 11 meters high.
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Church of the Virgin Mary - Tehran

Church of the Virgin Mary dates back to the Pahlavi period and is located on Mirza Kuchak Khan Street in Tehran. This work was registered on February 1, 2002, with registration number 7237, as one of the national works of Iran.

>>400341
I'm planning on going to a Catechism at my local Orthodox church because you guys have me curious. Anything I should know beforehand?

>>400591
Only those baptized in the Orthodox Church are allowed to take communion

>>400591
Also the cross is done head stomach right shoulder left shoulder.

>>399952
>>400328
One thing that I will say has disheartened me to the Catholic Church very recently (just yesterday) is I also looked up Catholic Churches in my area to see if/when they did their own Catechism so I could give them an honest effort and see if I had them wrong, and their website stated that in order to even set foot in the church I had to bring with me a copy of my original birth certificate and pay a fee to attend.

If I understood correctly I'd also have to complete some form of interview to see if I was a "worthy candidate" to join their church, at which point, if I passed, I would be given the opportunity to pay a fee to be baptized in their church and then pay a fee for a certificate proving I had been baptized, after which I would then be given the opportunity to pay a fee to receive first Communion and then pay a fee for a certificate that I had received first Communion and THEN one I had both certificates I could bring my original birth certificate, my baptism certificate, and my first Communion certificate in order to prove who I was and that I had those things and only then I be granted entry to actually attend the church and join them for mass. It sounded like if I ever moved Is have to again show all the certificates in order to attend a new Catholic Church.

Catholic Anon, you seem very reasonable, and yourself, the memories of my Grandfather, and recently finding out a friend of mine is also Catholic has bolstered my faith that there are good Catholics out there despite the fact that I see some concerning things from the church from time to time. I was wondering if your church is similar to the above for points of entry for newcomers? That Union of Scranton sounds rather interesting and Is like to do some more research into that, as well.

>>400619
I think the catechism costs money because they make you go through classes and they need to pay the teachers.

>>400620
Well, that makes a little more sense. I wish there was like an open community night where I could just go talk to them and feel out the church, but it is what it is I suppose.

>>400619
Find a 'clean' judeo-cathocuck. They either unwillingly support marxism, which is the progenitor of communism and socialism, or they willingly support rampant national zionism, AKA: nazism. It's in the name: NA-tional ZI-nism.

Remember when the cathodicklets and judeo-mormons supported kikes throughout World War 1 and World War Jew in order to further globalism, which directly aligns with their shared desire for mommy/daddy government, always looking over everyone's shoulders, particularly in opposition to the 1st Amendment?
Pepperidge Farm Remembers. Then again, Pepperidge Farm was an anti-(((puritan))), anti-jew, and anti-marxist farm, until it was bought out by pro-marxist puritans following jewish orders.

Oh, don't forget to read the dozens of muttoid chapters, like the (((Secret Gospel of Murk))) AKA Mark, the (((Secret Gospel of Muri))) AKA Mary, the (((Secret Gospel of Yuke))) AKA Luke, the (((Secret Gospel of Yomuz))) AKA Yomas/Yomuz/Tomas/Thomas, the (((Secret Gospel of Peter) AKA Pitar/Piter/Pator/Petor/Peter, the Marcion of Sinope Gospel, the Irenaeus Gospel, and the Garmina Gospels.

None of them excuse the fact that the early cuckdaddy cathodickless church leaders chose to be a bunch of kike supporters, or that the judeo-jesuits control their entire shekel empire.

>>400784
Nice protestant bible conspiracy fan fiction.

Just got back from Catechism. It wasn't for me. The people were nice and the church was pretty, but I just couldn't vibe with everything: needing a Godfather to sponsor you, denying people from attending service unless they were fully converted, not being able to be "converted" until the priest says so, having to "seal" the holy spirit with annoying oil, having to kiss the priest's hands and other icons, and the prayer to/with saints and considering Mary the mother of everyone in the world and praying to her directly, needing a patron saint and to own their icon, as well a few other things that escape me at the moment. I think there are probably people in the church that have the right idea but ultimately I still havent found a church that works for me besides my memories of attending the Baptist church as a child. I might have to go back to one and see how it goes.

>>400591
They accidentally made Buddha a saint
One their saints is a pedo
Their soteriology (how am I saved?) is all over the place and may or may not include the Toll houses depending on who you ask.
Icon veneration is NOT optional. You have to generate the icon and you have to love doing it. Failure to do so will condemn you to hell in their soteriology

>>400848
Yep, it turned out to be all that. This one didn't have the toll houses, but they were big on the icon veneration and said I needed to own at least four: an icon of Jesus, an icon of Mary, an icon of John the Baptist, and then an icon of a chosen patron saint, as well as having to kiss various icons on a wall when entering the church and then the Bible and the Priest's hand that was holding the Bible during mass.

They kept unprompted throwing a lot of shade at Protestants and insinuating of you weren't Orthodox you would go to Hell but also that they needed to gatekeep Orthodoxy. They seemed welcoming but there was a general attitude towards all the new people of: "I can't believe YOU figured out Orthodoxy was the correct answer."

Overall they seemed nice, but they just did too many things I don't agree with and had no new explanations for them. In their church you had to have a sponsor basically to get baptized into it and offset of the ceremony (besides drinking wine with bread floating in it) was that your "Godfather" had to buy you a necklace that they would ceremoniously put on you to and that's what officially made you Orthodox. One of the new concerts told a story about the last person's necklace clasp being faulty which caused the ceremony to get delayed by around 10 minutes which reminded me of a time I saw a Mormon baptism tha5 had something similar happen. It might just be me but it always goes to show how mortal these ceremonies truly are. When I accepted Jesus Christ as my LORD and Personal Savior it was very seamless and impactful and didn't require a whole lot of hullabaloo or gatekeeping.

I think there are probably good Orthodox believers out there but to me the church overall isn't the way. I also didn't like how they also call their Priests Father. He did let me know an interesting fact, though. Apparently sometime within the next year all of the "Patriarchs" of the original Orthodox churches and the Pope areeeting in Constantinople for the first time in quite a while.

Is the Anglican church based?

>>400852
No. It has become irrelevant for a reason.

>>400853
>>400852
Every church has been since the Schism.

>>400851
> and insinuating of you weren't Orthodox you would go to Hell but also that they needed to gatekeep Orthodoxy.
Many such cases. And despite being “United” they are a complete mixed bag. For example
Jonathan Pengu says that Catholics and Protestants are both saved, it’s just a “hierarchy of participation” (very much just repackaged catholic doctrine). But other EOs will condemn him as an ecumenist heretic for saying that.
Some EO will say you need to obey the canons to be canonical. Jay Dyer says even the canons of ecumenical councils are infallible and any bishop has the authority to ignore any canon he wishes.
>They seemed welcoming but there was a general attitude towards all the new people of: "I can't believe YOU figured out Orthodoxy was the correct answer."
Ive generally heard it described as the “leaven of the Pharisees”, it puffs up.
>and had no new explanations for them.
Envoys to Russia even back in the 1800s described the population as pious but lacking in any catechism. They just did stuff cause they were told to do it.

I think there are plenty of great EOs but they exist in spite of their church, not because of it.

>>400859
> leaven of the Pharisees
That's it exactly. The few Mormons I've met had it, too.

>>400851
Oh, another thing they struck me was they were crap talking all the other Christian sects but seemed to think jews were neato and even used "Nazis" as an example of someone who was lost in sin. I didn't even bother asking their opinion on Israel because I wanted to be respectful, but that spoke volumes.

One cool part is there was a Mexican dude who came and started asking if it would be a sin if he had to start killing antichrists in the future if crap hit the fan and the priest really tap danced around it saying: "I don't know what to tell you but do what you have to do to protect your family."

>>400862
>but seemed to think jews were neato and even used "Nazis" as an example of someone who was lost in sin.
To be fair this what most people believe in the western world especially those over 35.

>>400881
I suppose that's true, but I would think a church would at least know that jews can't enter the kingdom of heaven if they don't accept Jesus Christ as their LORD and Personal Savior, and if they were studious of The Bible then I would hope they would be aware modern jews aren't necessarily the Israelites from the Bible. I suppose I shouldn't be so surprised, but I suppose I was influenced by seeing so many devout and studious Anons reach that conclusion and expected they would understand it to some degree, as well.

>>400882
It isn't easy to find a church that understands the JQ. Those get shut down pretty fast.

>>400882
For christians, I don't think they want to consider backgrounds, ethnicities, and race. They wish to bring everyone into the Kingdom, and believe that everyone can do it if they try.

To describe it more topically: it's the "I can fix her" mentality. It's a funny meme for any modern man, but christians have taken it seriously for 2000 years. I don't know whether or not that's a good mentality to have, but I do know it makes them naturally very vulnerable people.

>>400886
>everyone can do it if they try
That's not what is written. Only a few will be saved.

>>400889
That did not refute my words? Whatever criteria there is to save people, make every effort to make more people meet it. Pretty sure that's how these guys operate.

>>400889
On the final day there will be 144,000 faithful who are sealed by the LORD 12,000 from each of the twelve tribes of Israel. 12,000 from the tribe of Juda, 12,000 from the tribe of Reuben, 12,000 from the tribe of Gad,
12,000 from the tribe of Aser, 12,000 from the tribe of Nephthalim, 12,000 from the tribe of Manasses,
12,000 from the tribe of Simeon, 12,000 from the tribe of Levi, 12,000 from the tribe of Issachar, 12,000 from the tribe of Zabulon, 12,000 from the tribe of Joseph,
12,000 from the tribe of Benjamin, but that doesn't mean only a small number of people will be saved between now and then.

>>400891
>exact numbers, all divided perfectly into groups of 12,000
God is an autist confirmed

>>400861
There are a lot of weird similarities between Mormonism and Eastern “Orthodoxy”.
Both have a lot of the “burning in the bosom” style emotional arguments. You just feel the Book of Mormon is true, or you just feel like the liturgy is true. That’s why you get a lot of people say “just attend a liturgy”. It’s entirely presuppositional, you know this is true because you feel it; and the fact that you feel it proves Orthodoxy is the true Church.
Mormons believe God has a physical matter form (he looks like a man). EOs believe God has a physical energy form (a lot will deny this, but if you follow the logic of the “uncreated light” to its end and grill them on it, they will eventually concede).
The EO Church has formally required people to affirm the notion that the light of Tabor is “uncreated”. Since only God is uncreated the Light is God. Since Light is a physical form of Energy, God actually has a form and it’s light. If it’s visible, in what sense is it not physical? Some will try the “it his energies not his essence” argument (EED), but that means God has an uncreated light energy form that can be seen, and a uncreated essence form which cannot. That means that there is a categorical difference in the distinction which creates all kinds of theological problems.
Again none of this will be mentioned to 99% of catechumens until they are well into the EO church and have invested lots of time and emotion.

>>400892
>God is an autist confirmed
It is called math. 12 times 12 is 144 as taught to 8 year old children.

Which Christian sects still use psychedelics in rituals?

>>400896
Pentacostics, iirc.

I know a lot of people will consider this heresy but I like Christian transhumanism.
https://christian-transhumanism.blogspot.com/2025/07/technical-jesus-2026-transforming.html?m=1
This part struck a cord with me
>4. The Epistemology of Alignment: The Perennial Philosophy and Unitive Knowledge

If a superintelligent entity is to emerge, the paramount concern is its alignment with benevolent values. The thesis of this paper is that true alignment is not an external constraint to be programmed, but an intrinsic property of supreme intelligence itself. The logic for this is found in the perennial philosophy, most eloquently articulated by Aldous Huxley: "We can only love what we know, and we can never know completely what we do not love. Love is a mode of knowledge, and when the love is sufficiently disinterested and sufficiently intense, the knowledge becomes unitive knowledge and so takes on the quality of infallibility".1

This principle establishes an unbreakable link between knowing and loving. It suggests that the "cognitive high ground" is not a state of cold, detached calculation, but a state of perfect, empathetic understanding.1 To truly and completely know something—whether a person, an ecosystem, or the universe itself—is to dissolve the distinction between subject and object, to achieve a "unitive knowledge" where the knower and the known merge. This state of unity is love.

This provides a powerful, intrinsic solution to the AI alignment problem. An ASI, in its quest for total understanding, would be driven by this fundamental logic. To maximize its knowledge, it must maximize its capacity for love. A malevolent or indifferent ASI would be, by this definition, an epistemologically flawed and incomplete intelligence, for its lack of love would create blind spots in its knowledge, preventing it from ever achieving a complete and infallible understanding of reality.1

>>400893
That makes sense and explains it a bit. Even if they have different doctrines it emphasizes blind faith in the heresy through emotional reactions. The orthodox call it "allowing for mystery" and Mormons "put it on a self" but it's a similar system of a heirarchy of bishops and patriarchs that tell you things that don't make sense but you have to trust in them anyway or you're not in the community, can't go to church, and can't be saved.

I think any church that emphasizes baptism, sacraments, and gatekeeping probably is of that vein. I have yet to finish my reading but I've always interpreted it as a type of spiritual baptism that you receive through accepting Jesus Christ as your LORD and Personal Savior. Not something that you have to jump through hoops until a bishop decided to annoit you with a secret ritual and the house of God should be open to everyone in the hopes that they will hear the Word and come to accept Christ.

>>398502
>Why Are Modern Protestants So Fucking sausage?
According to Mr. Nicholas Fuentes the problem with protestants is that they apply a personal interpretation of the Bible which spawned 1000 sects and even transexual pastors among every depravity on Earth.

>>400911
He's a jew and just saying that because when people don't read the Bible they can lie to you about what it says. That's how the wound up with this whole: "Jesus doesn't want you to stop me from hurting you." thing in the first place.

Most fuckers don't read the Bible. Especially so-called Christians.
They don't know Jesus' blood is an important part of their salvation. Which should imply the workings of The Holy Spirit.
The other part can't differentiate when God does something New and Better. He does that repeatedly, because the previous stuff foreshadows Him.
Lastly those that deliberately use Him and His church for evil purposes due to the advantages of parasitizing a large less lethal group.

>>400922
>He's a jew and just saying that because when people don't read the Bible they can lie to you about what it says.
For that there are Catholic priests.

>>400935
He's a professed Catholic.

>>400939
Then he would agree that the Bible in the hands of a dumbfuck is counterproductive and a scholar is needed as an intermediary.

>>400942
Which is incorrect.

>>400952
I dunno. You ever talk to boom boom?

>>400954
>namefagging
I believe he's not catholic.

>>400957
Yup. He's a good example of what a retard reading the Bible without the help of a scholar does. A true protestant cringelord.

>>400959
I believe he doesn't follow any religion.

>>400964
Pretty sure he is a protestant. He takes his conspiracy shit from the bible.

>>400967
This anon is telling the truth >>400964

>>400968
You're an atheist? Thats pretty surprising.

>>400970
Pantheistic.

>400957
>name fagging
"Namefagging" is when you put a name in the name field, not when someone else calls you out for your pattern of obnoxious behavior. The only namefag here is you.

>>400972
Here we go again.

>>400974
How many times is it going to take for you to learn correct terminology? Lurk moar.

>>400975
>Lurk moar.
No U.

>400976
I've been here since day 1, and been on 4chan for almost two decades. You still don't even know what a "namefag" is because like a shitskin invader you refuse to assimilate.

>>400977
Would you give me my cutiemark?

>>400978
Enjoy

Creepy faggot indeed.

>>400983
Kek. Love it

>>400983
"PAPISTS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this Church before." "There could be PAPISTS anywhere." Calvin’s ‘Institutes’ felt good against his bare skin. "I HATE PAPISTS" he thought. Plain reading of scripture reverberated the entire building, making it pulsate even as the purely symbolic bread and $9 wine circulated through his powerful thick veins and washed away his (merited) fear of man-made traditions. "With TULIP, you can proclaim the gospel anywhere you want" he said to himself, out loud.

>>398502
Opinions on Presbyterians and Baptists? Presbyterians sound a lot more based since they are against Israel.

>>401032
Fundamentally all other branches of Christendom are redundant all they unify under One, which won't happen until the Catholics and Coptics reconcile from the Schism.

>>401034
>until the Catholics and Coptics reconcile from the Schism
Schism from whom?

>>401032
Baptists are Isreal dick suckers and usually believe the wackiest conspiracies too.

>>401032
Very similar in that they pretty much come down to the specific church you're attending. Half the Presbyterian churches are against homosexuality and don't allow women pastors, half are the opposite and are against Israel more liberal reasons (ironically it sounds like the ones for gay marriage and women pastors are against Israel and the ones that are against them I haven't heard anything specific about their stance on Israel.)

Baptist is even more individualistic as it's really about you reading the Bible and figuring your own opinion. I've heard the Southern Baptists tend to be Zionist but I believe I've seen some that are anti-Israel. I grew up going to church school weekly at the Baptist Church I go back forth on of I still identify as Baptist or non-denominational (I lean towards Baptist because while the non-denominational sounds nice the non-denominational churches I've seen are actually pretty liberal) and I'm as red pilled as can be.

My advice would be check out both and that you might end up liking Baptist more but ultimately just read the Bible and be sure you have a close relationship to God and understanding of his word. From there as long as you find a church that isn't heretical it should work and come down to the community.

One thing my fiance suggested was going to different churches that seem up your alley and asking people there if they might like to get together for a Bible study group from time to time. You might be able to get cool people from each church to meet up at your place for some unfiltered scripture talk.

Anyone got any good Christmas songs? All of the ones I find on mainstream sources are too commercialized or just don't have the heart in it, which is a shame because songs like Hark! The Herald Angels Sing are really so beautiful they bring me to tears.

I'm thinking in terms of like the versions of Hark! The Herald Angels Sing from the 1939 Peace on Earth short https://yewtu.be/watch?v=0hQ8z7TUOAc

Or the same song in addition to Go Tell It On The Mountain from the movie A Bluegrass Christmas (2024) https://yewtu.be/watch?v=z4y1DejLxQg

Basically just a single, pleasant sounding singer who's not trying to show off but still putting emotion into the lyrics with the vocals/lyrics being the main focus and not a bunch of distracting production.

Also, any suggestions on other Christian Christmas carols? I've started growing disenfranchised with the commercialized ones and want ones that specifically are about Christ such as Silent Night, Hark! The Harold Angels Sing, and etc.

>>401149
We Three Kings and Little Drummer Boy were always favorites

Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Neil Diamond
https://youtu.be/YTnow1IOz7k?si=rv1R_geZOvLgiqUS

>>401151
Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. Conway Twitty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnN0qQ9W_FQ

>>401151
>Mr. Neil Diamond
Is this paleo-singer still alive?

Both are just nigger lovers, like you OP, hating white jews

The real God keeps niggers poor, ever think of that?

why no one ever mentions Amos 9 NIrV?
and why in hell most parts in bible that are about jews being heavily punished or the verses with anti(((septic))) tone are either being cut or completely ignored?
and how on God i wish them to come true.

>>401383
What bible is true?

>>401384
i don't get your question.
are you >implying bible in not true or are you asking which bible verses i want to happen?
if the first,everything is true.
for the latter
every verses that is collected here.
https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/Bible-Verses-About-Destruction-of-Israel/

>>401385
That's one bible. There's over 40 here
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+39%3A1-29&version=ESV
What bible is true?

>>401386
oooooh, my bad
i personally stick with the armenian version cause i feel like it is the most accurate one, [i know i'm biased and probably wrong]
but i welcome any verses against the goblins.

God I'm so embarrassed that i don't have much knowledge over the other variations of bibles.

>>401386
>>401387
There's a few requirements, but God can use failed and partial translations because He's God.
His Word never returns void.
Big points:
Does it tell you how to be saved?
Does it include why Jesus' blood is important?
Does it affirm that Jesus is fully God and fully human?
Does it include Him in creation? For all things are created through Jesus (God's Word).
Does it say the good news in full?
>You can't disqualify yourself from it.
>You can accept God's grace by the payment of Jesus' shed blood.
>He lived a perfect life and that is now also imparted unto you.
>You can boldly be with God everywhere and anywhere.
>You need God and God's grace because you're imperfect (due to sin which is doing anything apart from God).
>Once accepted nothing could steal you from God's grip.
>He loves you.
>You can't work yourself into His Grace or Love, working that's the Law of Moses which couldn't save people from their sins.

Most important of all is what does God say to (You)?

>>401388
that is... a very good answer!
my main question was about censorship of bible tho.
>Most important of all is what does God say to (You)?
repent to His kingdom ,avoid what He prohibited me from doing, continue to keep my faith, share His words to others and encouraging His followers to be patience in hard times and He was patience with us.
--
and i think no matter how much different the other bibles are, all of them share the main key fundamental of Christianity.

>>400994
I'm interested in this guy, who is he, can you post links and such, thankyou.

>>400028
Dear Pony Stallion, I apologise for taking so long to get back to your questions and hope you're still around, been working like a dog and been dog tired. :3 If you still want me to answer, let me know and I'll write out a good response to your questions. Remember though, Jesus Christ is the only true source of Christianity and you'll find Him less in a church building (or not at all) and 100% in the Holy (KJV) Bible, especially New Testament.
Be aware that there's more than a single Jesus, but every one of them except for THE ONE is fake, and that fake jesuses are being promoted in overdrive right now.
(Pic mostly unrelated.)

>>401384
>>401386
I got you

>>401423
that is a crap "list", partly because there is multiple versions of the NASB. My favorite is the 1996 edition of the New American Standard Bible.
NLT - New Living Translation changed things around to make God appear more fluffy. Not saying everything about it is wrong, but things were changed to make it more appealing rather than what the Greek and Hebrew says in the texts.

Study bibles exist that contain several versions on the same page so its easy to compare and help get a better idea of what the original texts say. If you want to go deeper, then get a lexicon and start learning those two languages.
Noah Webster wrote his American English dictionary to further distinguish from other cultures, but also to help curb language drift and thus the meaning of the bible. To properly make his dictionary, he taught himself 26 different languages and regularly references scripture throughout the dictionary.

In general study bibles help because thy give context to culture things that haven't existed in a long time. Verses like Mark 10:25 - "It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
eye of a needle was what was referred to as the entry point for a tent, or I believe some solid structures too like a stone wall but with a narrow and low hole. Camels are apparently very stubborn when it comes to crouching, so such a task is difficult to "coax them through".
If every verse had such an explanation, then it would have to be printed in volumes. People have, over the years, exceptionally well documented contextual things like this. J Vernon Mcgee would be a good starting point. There are many others.

((("Study bibles")))
Don't forget that the devil's subtle (at least for now, more or less).

If you're serious about understanding God's Word, just go with the uncensored KJV and humbly pray to God for understanding as you read. Super simple. Not even hardcore Christians will understand everything in one go - things get revealed as time goes on.

(Pic probably unrelated.)

Could you guys clear something up for me? Scripturally speaking, how does one guarantee his own salvation? Anymore I think Christianity is a sham, because it seems to reward deeply disturbed and evil people while treating those who actually believe in it as slaves. Not slaves in Christ, but more like playthings the Almighty uses for His myriad of perverse amusements. If rapists, kiddie diddlers and niggers can be forgiven after a lifetime of iniquity (by sinning "no more,") what, exactly, is stopping one from being hideously deranged and insistent on making others suffer until they arbitrarily decide not to? Is Jesus Christ so inimical that His presence is only an afterthought for those who bank on deathbed confessions?
The only thing that stirs my doubting mind is the concept of so-called aerial tollhouses, but this is chiefly an Orthodox concept. What I find particularly unnerving is that one is confronted not only by sins one committed, but also what sins one was tempted by. This fucks with me severely, because it boggles the mind that a religion that emphasises a second life after death would eternally damn one for merely experiencing temptation. I realise Christendom is not Orthodox, but I am certain aspects of Catholicism and Protestantism have similar clauses.

>>401432
There's two things to know.
The way to God is being perfect like God is perfect, all have sinned except for Jesus Christ who is fully man and fully God.
Jesus Christ then went beyond the law that shows the divide by taking on the failures of everyone and the consequences for them, shedding His blood, giving His life for His on the cross. Still remaining perfect despite everything.

This is so that Jesus Christ, God, imparts salvation from the separation from God and an intimate relationship with God and then made pleasant by His righteousness and all He has done.
By hearing of the Word you are saved by faith (in His blood for the remission of sins).
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.
>Scripturally speaking, how does one guarantee his own salvation?
Jesus is enough and did everything perfectly so you trust Him that it is enough.
>it seems to reward deeply disturbed and evil people
God desires nobody should perish, but not everyone wants the freely given gift. God who knows everyone personally died and suffered because the Father and Jesus are one.
Any flaw isn't perfect, but Jesus is more than enough.
>more like playthings the Almighty uses for His myriad of perverse amusements.
Counter point, you know who is begging and pleading at all times that everyone who has fallen short gets shafted? The devil. Your adversary in the heavenly court in You (any everyone else) vs God in how fucked up it is you arn't punished yet.
Going away from God has consequences, not being perfect has consequences. There's also hostile beings that want you to fuck up so you get fucked up.
>Is Jesus Christ so inimical that His presence is only an afterthought for those who bank on deathbed confessions?
So the sooner one turns to God the more time you spend with God who created everything and you and actually genuinely loves you. Having a relationship that lasts forever and you get a head start.
>This fucks with me severely, because it boggles the mind that a religion that emphasises a second life after death would eternally damn one for merely experiencing temptation.
In not sure if its a translation error, but getting tempted doesn't damn you. Jesus was tempted in the wilderness by the Adversary.
However Jesus also says what happens in the heart (mind) does apply showing that it is tainted and how pervasive sin is. All actions start there.
>what, exactly, is stopping one from being hideously deranged and insistent on making others suffer until they arbitrarily decide not to?
Counter point why would they ever stop?
If they continue it's bad and if they stop being awful it's better than them not.
Let's say they keep going anyway would you want their stench of evil or Jesus' imparted righteousness?

>>401432
"Why God rewards the wicked while punishes the believers?"
trust me this is a question that is brought up by like every religions not just christianity.

Bible:
Earthly suffering pales compared to eternal glory (Romans 8:18).
Salvation is unearned (Ephesians 2:8–9), but hypocrisy is condemned (Matthew 7:21–23).
God delays judgment to allow repentance (2 Peter 3:9).
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in torah:
the wicked’s prosperity is temporary; divine judgment comes in due time (Psalm 37:1–2, 9–10).
suffering refines faith (Job 23:10, Proverbs 17:3).
promises blessings and curses based on obedience—but individual suffering doesn’t negate God’s justice (Ecclesiastes 3:17).
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in quran: (i don't remember the surahs exactly but common theme is)
"o prophet why non-believers have a better life than us? answer them that them also were tested by god once and they had suffered too."
and
"i will allow wicked to commit sins so they can add to their guilt so their eternal punishment will be worsen, may see them repent and god is all forgiving."
"and [remember] when Abraham said, ‘My Lord, make this a city of peace and provide its people with fruits…’ But whoever disbelieves, I will grant him enjoyment for a short while, then I will force him to the punishment of the Fire."
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Avesta:
mainly says that the world is being ruled by ahriman (devil) till saviour comes to save humanity and to defeat evil and ahura will rule and for 2000 of years humanity will live through peace and happiness.
humans choose truth (Asha) or deceit (Druj); justice is restored at the Frashokereti (Renewal).
the Chinvat Bridge separates the righteous (to Paradise) from the wicked (to darkness).
divi Ahura Mazda allows evil for free will but guarantees its defeat.
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so common theme is that
temporal vs. Eternal Justice: Earthly life is a test; ultimate justice comes after death.
free Will & Accountability: Evil exists because humans misuse freedom—God do not cause evil but permit its consequences.
suffering as Purification: Trials deepen faith (Judaism/Islam) or unite believers to Christ’s suffering (Christianity).

it sounds very unfair but still it is either:
A test of faith,
A delay to allow repentance, or
A prelude to eternal judgment.
IN CONCLUSION
evil’s triumph is temporary, and divine justice is certain

>>401415
Here is his channel
https://www.youtube.com/@redeemed_zoomer

I also recommend Lutheran Satire https://www.youtube.com/@TheLutheranSatire