This thread is to discuss the one ideology founded on the principles of Christianity that can build a civilization that will stand the test of time. Discuss the technology, techniques, and policies necessary to implement pic related.
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I want to state right now that the bioreactor will be a central technology for this movement and I know there will need to be ethical and spiritual debate on how to use that tech. So I am welcoming suggestions and criticism.
One would need to futureproof it. The last few civilisations did, but only linguistically.
>>395974
AI would need to be a central component of it. The boys at alogs.space/robowaifu are working on such things.
AI would need to be a central component of it. The boys at alogs.space/robowaifu are working on such things.
>>395951
>No one will willingly give up the comforts of industrial society
Ask to Uncle Ted and the Amish.
>No one will willingly give up the comforts of industrial society
Ask to Uncle Ted and the Amish.
>>395984
Yeah individuals and small communities. The majority of people depend on industrial society.
Yeah individuals and small communities. The majority of people depend on industrial society.
>>395984
And you have options to become less dependent on the system. Biogas, Stirling engines, solar power, ect.
And you have options to become less dependent on the system. Biogas, Stirling engines, solar power, ect.
DIY culture could be integrated into neo-distributism. DIY is inherently political.
>>396468
I see your bump, and I raise you an individually piqued interest.
DIY, distributism and Christian ethos applied to civilisation are very high on my list of interests (I am a robotics and theology enthusiast.)
I've always found distributism to be a reasonable conjecture that wedges itself between the coalescing of capital until it becomes too weighty to be supported by public interests, and a stripe of Communism that inevitably greases the wheels of the revolution with the blood of its most fervent adherents (and their kin.)
I favour what this thread mentions because it not only enables the fostering of countless, autocephalous coooperatives, it too can establish entire Independencies that can obtain privileges from the state rather than leverage their resources against it.
I'm immediately reminded of the Twenties, when some infrastructure was developed in such a fashion (think pneumatically powered instruments, appliances, et cetera) despite the quasi-corptocracy of the Gilded Age looming over the working class and poors in America. It was also a time in the West when daring minds and cut-throats of very large firms competed over the very applications we take for granted today.
I think that a future based upon cooperation, decentralisation and a multitude of various projects for the life, health and safety of a national mass is something to look forward to.
To keep the discussion forward, what methods, techniques and technology do you see on the horizon that is of keen pertinence to the above? I've always been keen on arcologies but think them far too massive to properly manifest in most nations.
I see your bump, and I raise you an individually piqued interest.
DIY, distributism and Christian ethos applied to civilisation are very high on my list of interests (I am a robotics and theology enthusiast.)
I've always found distributism to be a reasonable conjecture that wedges itself between the coalescing of capital until it becomes too weighty to be supported by public interests, and a stripe of Communism that inevitably greases the wheels of the revolution with the blood of its most fervent adherents (and their kin.)
I favour what this thread mentions because it not only enables the fostering of countless, autocephalous coooperatives, it too can establish entire Independencies that can obtain privileges from the state rather than leverage their resources against it.
I'm immediately reminded of the Twenties, when some infrastructure was developed in such a fashion (think pneumatically powered instruments, appliances, et cetera) despite the quasi-corptocracy of the Gilded Age looming over the working class and poors in America. It was also a time in the West when daring minds and cut-throats of very large firms competed over the very applications we take for granted today.
I think that a future based upon cooperation, decentralisation and a multitude of various projects for the life, health and safety of a national mass is something to look forward to.
To keep the discussion forward, what methods, techniques and technology do you see on the horizon that is of keen pertinence to the above? I've always been keen on arcologies but think them far too massive to properly manifest in most nations.
>>396474
Checkout alogs.space/robowaifu. A lot of the technology we would need to pull this off exists there.
Checkout alogs.space/robowaifu. A lot of the technology we would need to pull this off exists there.
Distributist fairies.
And ponies
I understand the pros of distributism. Just the mere access to producing for my own needs is great for me and the people around me. My only gripe is the simple fact that when you give the means of production to everyone, it inevitably flows back into the people who proactively make use of it, which more often than not is the rich and sometimes the ambitious. A lot of, perhaps most, people legitimately are not cut out for DIY.
That is to say, I am doubtful that this system will actually move the status quo.
That is to say, I am doubtful that this system will actually move the status quo.
>>396825
Yeah. Also, what's to prevent large owners from buying up land again after it's distributed?
Yeah. Also, what's to prevent large owners from buying up land again after it's distributed?
>>396828
I don't like the idea of wealth caps. It just sounds like socialism with extra steps. Why should the government stop you from expanding your business when you worked hard to grow it?
I don't like the idea of wealth caps. It just sounds like socialism with extra steps. Why should the government stop you from expanding your business when you worked hard to grow it?
>>396837
You really shouldn't stop people from accumulating wealth. Stop money from being used for evil, sure, but stopping wealth itself leads to stagnation and encourages nefarious usage of money. Would you like it if you worked a hard week plus overtime and saw your paycheck got skimmed extra hard by the state cuz you made "too much" money?
On that note, who the fuck determines this "wealth cap"? Set it high, it does jack shit, a rich class will still emerge, just Jeff Bezos rich, not Elon Musk rich, like that means anything.
Set it low, and you'll see communist level economic stagnation cuz no one will want to produce any more than bare minimum to avoid the penalty.
I actually take it back: I don't see the pros of distributism, not if dumbass concepts like capping wealth is on the table.
You really shouldn't stop people from accumulating wealth. Stop money from being used for evil, sure, but stopping wealth itself leads to stagnation and encourages nefarious usage of money. Would you like it if you worked a hard week plus overtime and saw your paycheck got skimmed extra hard by the state cuz you made "too much" money?
On that note, who the fuck determines this "wealth cap"? Set it high, it does jack shit, a rich class will still emerge, just Jeff Bezos rich, not Elon Musk rich, like that means anything.
Set it low, and you'll see communist level economic stagnation cuz no one will want to produce any more than bare minimum to avoid the penalty.
I actually take it back: I don't see the pros of distributism, not if dumbass concepts like capping wealth is on the table.
>>396837
>Because no one should have unchecked power in any form including wealth.
But your solution is to give all of that power to the state to control and distribute wealth.
>Because no one should have unchecked power in any form including wealth.
But your solution is to give all of that power to the state to control and distribute wealth.
>>396839
The one thing I agree with is the idea of applying distributism to counteract consolidation schemes. Megacorpos like Blackrock should not be allowed to own 99% of homes just so that they can force everyone to rent.
The one thing I agree with is the idea of applying distributism to counteract consolidation schemes. Megacorpos like Blackrock should not be allowed to own 99% of homes just so that they can force everyone to rent.
>>396841
No it would be to families and guilds to control. The state would be heavily intertwined with a guild system that was connected to families. One vote per family.
No it would be to families and guilds to control. The state would be heavily intertwined with a guild system that was connected to families. One vote per family.
>>396843
The state still enforces the law, and therefore has all of the power and discretion.
How do you determine what counts as a single family? What if members of a larger (((tribe))) band together to consolidate land under their rule?
The state still enforces the law, and therefore has all of the power and discretion.
How do you determine what counts as a single family? What if members of a larger (((tribe))) band together to consolidate land under their rule?
>>396845
>How do you determine what counts as a single family?
One man one woman and kids
>What if members of a larger (((tribe))) band together to consolidate land under their rule?
The words separation of church and state do not appear in the U.S. constitution and if the church will keep the jews at bay then I'm not opposed to using a church to keep foreign institutions at bay.
>How do you determine what counts as a single family?
One man one woman and kids
>What if members of a larger (((tribe))) band together to consolidate land under their rule?
The words separation of church and state do not appear in the U.S. constitution and if the church will keep the jews at bay then I'm not opposed to using a church to keep foreign institutions at bay.
The Filter Event: Ideologies of Centralization
The drake equation estimates that there may be as many as 12500 extra-terrestrial life forms in the Milky Way alone. Scientists have found many potentially habitable planets, but scientists have yet to find another civilization. So where are the aliens? The Great Filter is the idea that there is a natural barrier in the development of life preventing the existence of space faring extra-terrestrial life. What would such a barrier look like and how would it take place?
First, we will make five assumptions. First assumption, the Great Filter is in the future not the past. We have already seen life evolve once so we know it is possible. Second assumption, any intelligent life that would evolve would be as just as greedy as humanity as resource acquisition would be just as important for their survival as it is for ours. Third assumption, hierarchal social structures will naturally form as they do in humans and other animals. Fourth assumption, any intelligent life will use technology to improve their productive processes. Fifth and final assumption, the great filter is obvious enough that every intelligent civilization will eventually do it.
Weapons of mass destruction and AI uprising have been proposed by as possible answers to the great filter, but both theories fall flat. Even insane dictators like Kim Jong Un show restrain with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons; No one wants to rule over a wasteland. And if AI was the answer, wouldn’t scientists see machine intelligences colonizing the galaxy?
So, then what would be obvious enough that every intelligent life form would do it? How would a greedy, hierarchal, technologically advanced civilization commit suicide if not by weapons of mass destruction or AI? The answer: over centralization. Centralizing power would be obvious to any hierarchy of greedy individuals and may even be a necessity to maintain control of a technologically advanced civilization. But how centralizing control leads to extinction bares explanation.
The hypothesis goes as follows; at the dawn of an alien civilization’s industrial revolution mass production becomes the dominant mode of production and causes societal disruption. To mitigate this disruption the state becomes increasingly involved in the production process either by regulating industry or outright seizing industry to serve the needs of the state. The state then uses ideology or religion to justify its existence and uses propaganda and “education” to indoctrinate the population. The state slowly but surely grows in power and scope and the population becomes increasingly dependent on the state for survival. The ruling class must continuously expand control to maintain its power as technology becomes more advanced. The level of micromanaging required eventually exceeds the ability of any intelligent being. The ruling elites eventually become more disconnected from the rest of their society and begin making reckless policies. The population which is now completely dependent on the elites obeys these new edicts. As the population becomes more dependent on the elites so to do the elites become more dependent on the population for production. The decisions made by the elite become increasingly reckless and maladaptive until the system fails, and the species dies. This is the filter event.
So how to avoid this fate? It starts by creating a self-sufficient, decentralized, adaptable population capable of bouncing back from large shocks. The supply chain collapse of the pandemic (which as of 2025 most of the world is still recovering from) shows the weakness of the current system; it cannot handle systemic shocks. A decentralized network of makers, farmers, scientists, craftsmen, and engineers could be built in the shadow of the current system ready to rebuild after a collapse. What comes next would be distributist economy based on small scale production from 3d printers and other cottage industry scale machinery. If sentient life is to survive the revolution must be open source.
The drake equation estimates that there may be as many as 12500 extra-terrestrial life forms in the Milky Way alone. Scientists have found many potentially habitable planets, but scientists have yet to find another civilization. So where are the aliens? The Great Filter is the idea that there is a natural barrier in the development of life preventing the existence of space faring extra-terrestrial life. What would such a barrier look like and how would it take place?
First, we will make five assumptions. First assumption, the Great Filter is in the future not the past. We have already seen life evolve once so we know it is possible. Second assumption, any intelligent life that would evolve would be as just as greedy as humanity as resource acquisition would be just as important for their survival as it is for ours. Third assumption, hierarchal social structures will naturally form as they do in humans and other animals. Fourth assumption, any intelligent life will use technology to improve their productive processes. Fifth and final assumption, the great filter is obvious enough that every intelligent civilization will eventually do it.
Weapons of mass destruction and AI uprising have been proposed by as possible answers to the great filter, but both theories fall flat. Even insane dictators like Kim Jong Un show restrain with nuclear, biological and chemical weapons; No one wants to rule over a wasteland. And if AI was the answer, wouldn’t scientists see machine intelligences colonizing the galaxy?
So, then what would be obvious enough that every intelligent life form would do it? How would a greedy, hierarchal, technologically advanced civilization commit suicide if not by weapons of mass destruction or AI? The answer: over centralization. Centralizing power would be obvious to any hierarchy of greedy individuals and may even be a necessity to maintain control of a technologically advanced civilization. But how centralizing control leads to extinction bares explanation.
The hypothesis goes as follows; at the dawn of an alien civilization’s industrial revolution mass production becomes the dominant mode of production and causes societal disruption. To mitigate this disruption the state becomes increasingly involved in the production process either by regulating industry or outright seizing industry to serve the needs of the state. The state then uses ideology or religion to justify its existence and uses propaganda and “education” to indoctrinate the population. The state slowly but surely grows in power and scope and the population becomes increasingly dependent on the state for survival. The ruling class must continuously expand control to maintain its power as technology becomes more advanced. The level of micromanaging required eventually exceeds the ability of any intelligent being. The ruling elites eventually become more disconnected from the rest of their society and begin making reckless policies. The population which is now completely dependent on the elites obeys these new edicts. As the population becomes more dependent on the elites so to do the elites become more dependent on the population for production. The decisions made by the elite become increasingly reckless and maladaptive until the system fails, and the species dies. This is the filter event.
So how to avoid this fate? It starts by creating a self-sufficient, decentralized, adaptable population capable of bouncing back from large shocks. The supply chain collapse of the pandemic (which as of 2025 most of the world is still recovering from) shows the weakness of the current system; it cannot handle systemic shocks. A decentralized network of makers, farmers, scientists, craftsmen, and engineers could be built in the shadow of the current system ready to rebuild after a collapse. What comes next would be distributist economy based on small scale production from 3d printers and other cottage industry scale machinery. If sentient life is to survive the revolution must be open source.
What role will mycomaterials play in the distributist economy? Easy and cheap to build. Pic is a couple of mycelium bricks I made on cardboard.
Worth a read from a distributist perspective
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/kevin-carson-the-homebrew-industrial-revolution
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/kevin-carson-the-homebrew-industrial-revolution
I bet airships could be made using mycomaterials for cheap. I feel like this would give an important aesthetic to technodistributism.
https://www.urbanreef.nl/
Cities are home to all forms of life, not just humans
Urban Reef designs and creates open-ended habitats that encourage the growth and diversity of life in urban settings such as streetscapes, squares and buildings. To live together with more-than-human lives, urban settings need more room for uncontrolled and emerging ecologies, both physically and in our collective thought.
Our prototypes called "Reefs" are designed to integrate open systems and regenerative design into the city. Reefs are created using bio-based algorithms and are 3D printed with (living) materials. Connected with passive flows rich in sunlight, water, nutrients and minerals, Reefs provide a range of microclimates and store nutrients that benefit more-than-human beings, complementing anthropocentric design approaches of urban environments.
Cities are home to all forms of life, not just humans
Urban Reef designs and creates open-ended habitats that encourage the growth and diversity of life in urban settings such as streetscapes, squares and buildings. To live together with more-than-human lives, urban settings need more room for uncontrolled and emerging ecologies, both physically and in our collective thought.
Our prototypes called "Reefs" are designed to integrate open systems and regenerative design into the city. Reefs are created using bio-based algorithms and are 3D printed with (living) materials. Connected with passive flows rich in sunlight, water, nutrients and minerals, Reefs provide a range of microclimates and store nutrients that benefit more-than-human beings, complementing anthropocentric design approaches of urban environments.
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Some mycelium pictures I took with my microscope. The blue stuff is methylene blue dye.
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Here are some amethyst pics because they are cool
Liberal men need one of these to see their penis.
IT'S ALIVE!
>>399424
It was only a $20 microscope and those were some of my first pics. I can take more later if people are interested.
It was only a $20 microscope and those were some of my first pics. I can take more later if people are interested.
>>399429
I did it's just I was fucking around last time. I wasn't too concerned with quality. I will take some better pics later. Also the light kind of reflects off the crystals and can effect quality.
I did it's just I was fucking around last time. I wasn't too concerned with quality. I will take some better pics later. Also the light kind of reflects off the crystals and can effect quality.
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Join my bioprospecting and bioengineering group
https ://t .me/+fos ViGqIxjgyZTFh
(No porn please)
https ://t .me/+fos ViGqIxjgyZTFh
(No porn please)
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>>399477
It's amber under UV light. The UV light reflecting causes interference from the light and causes a blur.
It's amber under UV light. The UV light reflecting causes interference from the light and causes a blur.
One of my fuel cells started growing aerial mycelium around the carbon electrode. Going to have to play around with this.
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I was thinking a husky would be a better symbol as it is a pack dog and known for bringing medicine to those in need. What do you think?
Alright I figured some more stuff out. Jesus was the physical embodiment of Psalms, and I’m the same but for Proverbs. The dream was a warning that my grandpa will die in two years and my grandmother in 7, so if I don’t prepare I’ll be living with my dad who is not so clean.
Nurse Redheart.>>399827
I want to keep the theme of the original emblem. I only wanted to change to the husky to make it less catholic and more focused on packs and add a biotech element.
I want to keep the theme of the original emblem. I only wanted to change to the husky to make it less catholic and more focused on packs and add a biotech element.
I just successful made a biosensor. Alogs.space/robowaifu
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>>395951
Hello, I spoke to you on ourchan
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Regarding what you said about hierarchy... I have a slightly different approach: I distinguish two different philosophical systems. While they can coexist, the non-hierarchical one will have to remain hidden because it's a system more susceptible to deformation. After all, non-hierarchy is a subtle, artificial ethical and social philosophical construct.
Hierarchy is natural human behavior.
Therefore, idealized artificial ideologies require special conditions for their operation to be supported. In NI (Non-Hierarchical Individualism), I lay out the foundations for these conditions for the emergence and existence of such a model – see pic 3.
Hello, I spoke to you on ourchan
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Regarding what you said about hierarchy... I have a slightly different approach: I distinguish two different philosophical systems. While they can coexist, the non-hierarchical one will have to remain hidden because it's a system more susceptible to deformation. After all, non-hierarchy is a subtle, artificial ethical and social philosophical construct.
Hierarchy is natural human behavior.
Therefore, idealized artificial ideologies require special conditions for their operation to be supported. In NI (Non-Hierarchical Individualism), I lay out the foundations for these conditions for the emergence and existence of such a model – see pic 3.
>>400042
My contact. [email protected] send me an email and I will shoot you my telegram. I will have to get back to you later as I am at work now.
My contact. [email protected] send me an email and I will shoot you my telegram. I will have to get back to you later as I am at work now.
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>>400045
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit
I've already read this... I completely share the ideas of Social Credit; this is exactly how I envision society... but unfortunately, such a society will be extremely small-scale; I think the maximum size is from 100 to 10,000 people.
(and 10,000 is the value of the deep future, when technology will allow us to expand the capabilities of our biological mind to store images and information about other people ~ cybernetic evolution)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._H._Douglas
It's interesting that Douglas's work overlaps with another person I highly respect—Heinlein. The Wikipedia entry mentions this.
Heinlein once touched upon the topic of autonomous communities and polyamory in his novel Stranger in a Strange Land.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributism
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_credit
I've already read this... I completely share the ideas of Social Credit; this is exactly how I envision society... but unfortunately, such a society will be extremely small-scale; I think the maximum size is from 100 to 10,000 people.
(and 10,000 is the value of the deep future, when technology will allow us to expand the capabilities of our biological mind to store images and information about other people ~ cybernetic evolution)
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C._H._Douglas
It's interesting that Douglas's work overlaps with another person I highly respect—Heinlein. The Wikipedia entry mentions this.
Heinlein once touched upon the topic of autonomous communities and polyamory in his novel Stranger in a Strange Land.
Trying to make a new emblem for the ideology. Notes would be appreciated.
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>>395951
>Discuss the technology, techniques, and policies necessary to implement pic related
Just to make it short, banish all non-Whites and this will be paradise.
>Discuss the technology, techniques, and policies necessary to implement pic related
Just to make it short, banish all non-Whites and this will be paradise.
To be honest I think that transhumanism will make the race question obsolete.
The pope just endorsed the catholic land movement
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