/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

I personally think that solar and wind might be part of the of the solution as newer solar panels and wind turbines have gotten a lot cheaper in recent years. Thorium looks like a very promising candidate especially with the Danish and Chinese pilot projects. Hell even india has a pilot plant for thorium power. If pajeets can figure it out then how hard could it be?

The nuclear fuel we have access to now could power the current needs of Humanity for several thousand years. More when you consider that about 4 billion of the biggest cosnumers will be killed by flash eating fecal bacteria by 2038 (Don't go to India any time soon). Solar panels and large wind turbines need to be running optimally for several years to produce back the amount of electricity it took to produce them. Current reactor tech is fine.

>>392474
I agree that current reactor tech is good, but the fuel is not cheap because it is very difficult to refine U235 is very difficult to refine and U238 is like 99.3% of the ore. Thorium is like 99.98% Th232 it is also more difficult to make thorium into a weapon so these reactors could be built in foreign nations with less oversight.

>>392472
>coal does too much damage to the environment
Nope, no one cares about it. World just running out of coal too. Why Britain stopped coal mining? Why Germany stopped it? Why Ukraine, formerly industrial center of Soviet Union turned into European Palestine? This is why. Reliable data extremely limited, I failed to find any serious research in English few years ago. New Russian research are classified, but I found one complex report for the government from 2015th. If you really want to know, how bad things really are.

"World energy markets evolution and its consequences for Russia" ERI RAS 2015
"Эволюция мировых энергетических рынков" РАН 2015
https://web.archive.org/web/https://www.eriras.ru/files/evolyutsiya-mirovyh-energeticheskih-rynkov-i-ee-posledstviya-dlya-rossii.pdf
"World Energy Consumption A Database 1820-2018" Paolo Malanima
https://histecon.fas.harvard.edu/energyhistory/DATABASE%20World%20Energy%20Consumption.pdf
Primary energy consumption directly correlates with economic output:
https://paste.debian.net/plain/1376272

The energy crisis could be fixed in a matter of years if the government took nuclear energy seriously. Too bad they're too stupid and corrupt to do it.

>>392506
Coal is definitely pretty bad for the environment and I'm not talking about global warming here. There is mercury, NOx, and SOx in the fumes. It's not good. Not to say clean coal couldn't be done, but that would take research into underground thermal gassification or biogassification.
https://netl.doe.gov/research/Coal/energy-systems/gasification/gasifipedia/biological-coal-gasification
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underground_coal_gasification

>>392472
>We are running out of oil
no, we're not. in fact, we could synthesize oil if we just put some research and development money into to producing it. just like a good whiskey, oil can be made, just need time and money to do so. oil is the most energy dense renewable resource we have. there's no reason not to use it.

personally, i think the real environmental damage is caused by roads. asphalt drains into the environment toxic chemicals. it also takes up an enormous amount of space, dividing up animal habitats.

dirt roads is the way to go. you can compact dirt and gravel so it's every bit as smooth as asphalt. but it's not toxic like asphalt is.

>>392517
Yeah, once it gets to where asphault would be necessary ya may as well use trains / railstuffs.

>>392517
We are running out of oil, but fracking bought us time. We can synthesize it from syngas though.

>>392521
>We are running out of oil
oil is constantly renewing itself. you are obviously ignorant of how oil is formed in the earth. oil is basically the earths poop. the earth, nor you, will ever stop pooping until it's dead. and using that poop for energy isn't going to kill the earth.

>>392517
The biggest problem with dirt and gravel roads is the dust that gets kicked up. Any real amount of traffic, or even just one jackwagon driving faster than a crawl, and visibility is reduced to practically zero.

That isn't to say it's useless. It would work extremely well for local roads, because you're (supposed to be) at low speed anyway. Frankly dirt or gravel would probably encourage that more than a sign. Rural roads are iffy because generally things are far enough apart you want to be going at speed, but usually the traffic is light enough for the dust to settle before the next vehicle comes along. Unless it's planting/harvesting season. Mud ruts would be a problem if they aren't maintained well, and since most roads are government owned, mud ruts will be a problem.

I don't believe it would be wise to try dirt or gravel for collectors or arterials though. Too many vehicles going too fast. Dust blindness would be a constant and completely negate the purpose of the road class by destroying speed and thus throughput. You could probably replace most arterials with rail, but even if they did that still leaves collectors.

Concrete is an alternative to asphalt, however I've been told it degrades faster and more significantly.

>>392523
Oil takes millions of years to form. We use it faster then it forms.

>>392527
>Oil takes millions of years to form
no it doesn't.

>>392524
>even just one jackwagon driving faster than a crawl
i drive an impreza, yea it's not a ferrari but it can go 60 MPH all the same, and there are dirty roads here and there where i can drive at 60mph without dust kicking up. i guess if it's abnormally dry?

>>392547
Yes, but, the fabrication of oil (depending on the ingredients used) is either an expensive process, or a prohibitably expensive process.

>>392524
>Concrete is an alternative to asphalt, however I've been told it degrades faster and more significantly.
lol...tell that to the roman aquaduct. then there's old joke, how many seasons does chicago have? two, winter and construction. because asphalt breaks almost as easily as dirt, arguably more. in the rust belt there are always potholes in the aftermath of winter.

the taconic parkway (in new york state) was concrete and it lasted until they recently replaced it with asphalt last year(2 years ago?), and it's falling apart already.

the people who tell you that concrete breaks more are probably trying to sell you asphlat.

>>392472
They have been talking about the environment, energy crises and depletion of reserves for 60 years, and they are still not being exhausted. You just have to use it wisely.
>>392474
The problem is that uranium is non-renewable.

>>392506
>Why Britain stopped coal mining? Why Germany stopped it
Because eco-activists?
>Why Ukraine, formerly industrial center of Soviet Union turned into European Palestine
Specifically at the moment Ukraine is at war. And in the period 1991-2014 nobody needed coal, even in Russia.

>>392523
Oil is not a poop, retard. It is the remains (particularly bones) of various organisms that lived millions of years ago. And this oil was formed over the same millions of years.

And synthetic oil is made primarily from coal.

>>392550
You don't drive cars on Roman aqueducts. And, oddly enough, Roman aqueducts have not come down to us in perfect condition. They're ruined.

>>392547
Yes it does. Petroleum geologists can agree on that much.
>>392550
Roman concrete lasts longer than our roads because it doesn't have to deal with the same stresses from traffic.
>>392552
Uranium might not be renewable, but there is enough of it to last for thousands of years. That's plenty of time to develop fusion.

>>392550
The guy who told me that said he worked 30 years for Indiana's DOT. Barring corruption (always a possibility) I doubt he was trying to sell me on asphalt.

>>392472
Fuck the environment.
Use the coal.
It helps to create jobs.

>>393434
Biogasification of coal might be an option that could both be environmentally friendly and create jobs.

>>393434
>>393435
Nuclear energy is king.

>>393436
Agreed, but biogasification of coal can also be used to produce polymers, solvents, and fertilizers.

>>393437
Yes, but the energy needed to produce those polymers is better derived from nuclear.
Nuclear is the most-powerful and least-polluting source of energy on earth.

>>393438
So long as you don't mind your multi-city powerplant melting every so often, leaving several nearby cities unlivable for the next seven to ten decades.

I've read a few interesting thoughts about nuclear power. One, that fusion is doable but resembles juggling marbles using rubber bands that you have to hold from outside the box where the juggling needs to happen
Two is, that yes fission generators could be made safe but that's so expensive, and corporations are so greedy and short sighted that only a crazed madman who should never be in charge of any construction team could be qualified to direct the construction of our nuclear power plants.

I recommend, personally, focusing on power production we can personally understand and manufacture. Fusion might get there, atmospheric energy has potential to ease the load, ZPE modules probably actually exist and/or could exist

Except of course "they" only allow energy they can tax you for. So the first step in solving the energy crisis is eliminating the government (or variations on that theme)

>>393439
>melting every so often
100% preventable, unless you're a retarded slavshit commie yes-man who can't even boil water.
>Two is, that yes fission generators could be made safe but that's so expensive, and corporations are so greedy and short sighted that only a crazed madman who should never be in charge of any construction team could be qualified to direct the construction of our nuclear power plants.
This is where regulation and inspection comes into play. Corporations should need to compete for quality standards for the privilege of building nuclear facilities.
>focusing on power production we can personally understand and manufacture
We can understand and manufacture nuclear energy. It's not as complicated as it sounds.

>>393439
You seem to be under the impression that nuclear engineers have been sitting with their thumbs up their asses since the 1980's. That's not the case. Modern reactors are much safer especially the thorium reactors that are finally being rolled out.

>>393438
Agreed for the most part. Fuel could be made for combustion engines from the biogas. I'm not convinced that lithium ion batteries are better for the environment than combustion engines. Sodium ion batteries and calcium ion batteries may be solutions though, but the technology is not as mature.

>>393439
>leaving several nearby cities unlivable for the next seven to ten decades.
Fukushima and the area around Three Mile Island are perfectly habitable and their accidents are more recent than Chernobyl. We shouldn't abandon nuclear power just because of one major incident from the early days, just as we didn't abandon boilers when they kept blowing up factories and steamships randomly in the 1800s.

>>393441
>100% preventable
yes but that's never been done, so it defacto isn't simply because humans would be building the thing.

>Corporations should need to compete
yeah, umm...do you not know how terrible that would be? "corporations competing" involves buying favors. the "standards" would be lowered for this particular installation based on how well they greased governmental palms.

>>393446
>just as we didn't abandon boilers
I'm not trying to stand in the way of progress for the sake of being a fuddy-duddy, I just don't trust government regulators, and corporate regulators interacting with government is exactly where the "deep state" got most of its cash in the first place.

thus,
>>393441
>It's not as complicated as it sounds.
You build one in your garage, and I'll believe you.

>>392472
>What fuel source(s) will solve the energy crisis?
Repatriate 75 million non-Whites and their children. Then the economy temporally will collapse, however fewer people will compensate for the unemployment. All which will traduce in a country with less need for energy.

>>393463
the approach from 2030 is to directly kill fifteen out of every 16 people, and spread the survivors evenly across 1,000 cities allowed to remain

>>393461
>yes but that's never been done
It's done all the time. There are lots of nuclear plants with no problems whatsoever. The handful of nuclear accidents were all completely preventable.
Nuclear energy has killed the fewest people per unit of energy generated, including all those preventable nuclear disasters in history. Even windmills kill more people.
Coalfire power plants leak more radiation than nuclear power plants too, because they can't figure out what to do with the toxic coal ash.
>"corporations competing" involves buying favors
No, that's just cronyism, not competition.
They should compete to show who can offer the best quality standards.
>the "standards" would be lowered for this particular installation based on how well they greased governmental palms
That can go for any infrastructure; that doesn't mean we should never build anything ever. Kill all of the corrupt government bureaucrats, and then we can have nice things.
>You build one in your garage
That's illegal, for a good reason. I know how it works though.

>>393463
I agree with purging shitskins, but the question was how to produce more energy.

>>393461
>I just don't trust government regulators, and corporate regulators interacting with government is exactly where the "deep state" got most of its cash in the first place.
Then you should move into a mud hut in the middle of the Sahara desert, because every kind of electricity infrastructure can cause mass casualty events with improper management and bad regulation. Oil spills, coal ash contamination, groundwater corruption, wildfires, fiberglass contamination, burst dams, fishkills, spent solar panel pollution, earthquakes, deforestation, etc.
Nuclear energy is the safest source of energy by far. If you would deal with the consequences of oil/coal/wind-turbines/solar-panels/dams/natural-gas/woodfire/etc, which are all vastly more polluting and dangerous, you should also be able to accept nuclear energy.

>>393461
The problem with government regulators is the competent ones don't have the power to do anything about issues. See the USCSB. However in regards to nuclear regulators I believe the USNRC does have the authority to take real action.

>>393479
>but the question was how to produce more energy.
But why would you want to do that? That policy is not aligned with an isolationist America First.

>>393481
>Then you should move into a mud hut in the middle of the Sahara desert
Nope. Anon has a point. Nuclear is an avenue for more corruption.

>>393501
>But why would you want to do that?
...So we can use it? To keep prices down and increase productivity and meet our technological demands.
>That policy is not aligned with an isolationist America First.
Yes it is. Having access to cheap, abundant energy is in the interest of all Americans.
>>393502
It is no more corrupt than any other source of energy.

>>393503
>So we can use it? To keep prices down and increase productivity and meet our technological demands
America First means to downsizing. The Treasury is broke and an about face is a must.
>It is no more corrupt than any other source of energy
It requires investment and America First is about to balance the books.

>>393504
>America First means to downsizing.
It does not have to be that way. Nobody voted for energy austerity.
>The Treasury is broke and an about face is a must.
That's all the more reason to produce more energy.
>It requires investment
All sources of energy require investment.
>America First is about to balance the books.
All the 'America first' politicians are pro-nuclear, and pro increasing energy production across the board. You are the first person I've encountered who thinks 'America first' somehow means LESS energy.

>>393505
>Nobody voted for energy austerity.
You will have no energy austerity because the economy will shrink, of course if Trumps delivers with deporting 50-75 millions.

>>393506
>You will have no energy austerity because the economy will shrink
It does not have to do that.
>of course if Trumps delivers with deporting 50-75 millions
Deporting shitskins parasites would grow the economy.

>>393507
>It does not have to do that.
Yes, it will. Removing 50-75 million of consumers will do the trick.
>Deporting shitskins parasites would grow the economy.
No, it will create an economic shock, the real state market will crash (think Wall Street and the '''landlords'''), retail will go in smoke, the health industry will be paralyzed, and an acute shortage of labor will explode. Add to that cutting the lifeline of government jobs and most of the artificial and parasitical medium class will disappear.

>>393509
>Removing 50-75 million of consumers will do the trick.
And that would grow the economy in the long term, because it would remove the financial strain of illegals and criminals preventing people from building businesses and having families and raising their standards of living across the board.
And regardless, people will still want cheaper energy.
>muh shock
You talk like a liberal. Deporting illegals is beneficial to our economy.

>>393511
>And that would grow the economy in the long term
That's the idea. But first the non-White gangrene must be cut. Extremely painful for the wallet, but it must be done.

>>393512
Okay. Sure. Let's deport all the shitskins.
I still want more nuclear energy.

>>393511
>because it would remove the financial strain of illegals and criminals preventing people from building businesses and having families and raising their standards of living across the board.
>illegals
Illegals are the low hanging fruit and drop in the bucket, the real threat are the LEGALS with citizenship.

>>393514
Okay. Kill all the shitskins.
This is barely relevant to the topic of energy policy.

>>393515
>This is barely relevant
They are totally relevant because they are energy consumers.

>>393517
We're talking about how to produce more energy here. Go make a separate thread for that.

>>393518
>to produce more energy
I see what's behind the idea. Musk and his tech friends want to expand production to fuel their data-centers.

>>393519
Sure, that's one use of energy. Abundant energy supplies can fuel industries and increase quality of life for many.

Anyways, back up the topic of energy sources. I am pro-nuclear, but I am also open to the expansion of geothermal energy in places where it's available. Natural gas is a given.

>>393522
Make a separate thread on >>>/cyb/ to complain about data centers. We're talking about how to increase energy production here.

>>393521
>>393520
>can fuel industries and increase quality of life for many
Data centers are meant to take American jobs and tight oligarch control over the population. Agenda 2030 ring a bell?

>>393524
We're talking about energy production. Make a separate thread.

>>393525
Okay.

>>393526
>energy production

It's not, of course. He's just stumping for more black-box fission stations doing who knows what because we're not allowed to look or practice it ourselves.
"we can't wait for fusion!"
...says the puppet unwilling to solve the problem by making more energy stations.
They won't let you shut down the coal plants, anyway. Somebody did spectroscopy analysis of the chem-trails, and they predominately resemble coal fly ash. So until everyone is dead, they need the cover of coal power to poison us with silicates and aluminum ions.

>>393531
>He's just stumping for more black-box fission stations
It does not have to be black box. In fact, it should be transparent. The public should know how the technology works.
>puppet
That's rich coming from the faggot who bought into glownigger anti-nuclear propaganda. Literal CIA assets have been seeding anti-nuclear fearmongering for years to prevent nuclear technology from spreading, and you idiots drank the coolaid.
>They won't let you shut down the coal plants, anyway.
I never said that.

>>393520
Geothermal is a good idea. If you used abandon mines you could probably expand its use too.

>>393563
>Geothermal
Only for volcanic regions, like Iceland.

Overall thermal gradient just 2.5°C for each 100 meters, power 0.03-0.05 W/m², energy 1.3 MJ/m² per year. If humanity build network of 4 km deep geothermal wells with distance 200 meters between them with water as heat carrier, all Earth surface can generate about 9.5 EJ per year. Current world primary energy consumption about 700 EJ per year.

>>393565
>9.5 EJ per year.
Wait, not right, lazy me! It's data for all volcanic places like Iceland, Philippines, etc.
For all Earth surface about 420 EJ.
For land surface only 126 EJ.

>>393531
>black-box fission stations
Kinda not so secret at all.
On paper nuclear reactors are pretty dumb, basically they are a boiler and the produced steam is used to spin an electric generator. That's it.

>>393553
>The public should know how the technology works.
The info and technologies are public domain.
It is mind blowing how in the age of information when every shitskin has a mini computer at his fingertips and access to worldwide information, people are every day more ignorant and lazy.

>>393565
The idea of using geothermal for mines is being explored.

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/lancashire-town-plans-bring-abandoned-29578492

>>393567
>On paper nuclear reactors are pretty dumb, basically they are a boiler and the produced steam is used to spin an electric generator. That's it.
That's not dumb at all.

>>393577
>That's not dumb at all.
It is, really. You have a container with water, you heat that water with fire, or, in this particular case with a hot radioactive rod, then you route the produced steam to a turbine that spins a generator. That's all the deal.
That the propaganda describing it as "super dangerous" and super high-tech is plain exaggeration and bullshit to justify over-inflated contracts to fill the contractors' pockets.

>>393569
The lying leftist media keeps people ignorant and passive.

>>393579
>lying leftist media
Not such a thing, it is an uniparty.

>>393579
>keeps people ignorant and passive
Ew, no.
Most people were born to be slaves and willingly ignoramus and they are very content with that. You cannot change the normie.

>>393578
>It is, really. You have a container with water, you heat that water with fire, or, in this particular case with a hot radioactive rod, then you route the produced steam to a turbine that spins a generator. That's all the deal.
That's not dumb. It's just simple. There's nothing dumb about it.
>>393582
If you're going to post Facebook memes, at least keep them energy related.

>>393578
>That the propaganda describing it as "super dangerous" and super high-tech is plain exaggeration and bullshit to justify over-inflated contracts to fill the contractors' pockets.
I agree that it is propaganda and over exaggeration, but it's not propaganda for the contractors; it's propaganda on behalf of glowniggers who don't want nuclear technology to spread because they don't want rival countries to have advanced energy or weapons technology.
Overall, you want a nuclear reactor to be built with the best possible quality, not just for safety, but also to harvest the most possible energy out of the fissile materials.

>>392472
So I made this exact thread back in 2017 https://mlpol.net/go/623 notice how back in 2017 the thread stayed on the topic on energy production and didn't change into a thread about a mega conspiracy around nuclear power where brainlets accused any disagreement as obedience to the state. Just a really good expirement to show how mlpol has changed over the years.

>>393597
It's because the boomer moved in. He does this in every thread he posts in. Ngl, it's part of the reason why I don't make nearly as many threads as I used to these days.

>>393598
The retards haven't chased me out yet. Although I do wonder where anyone interested in real discussions went.

>>393599
It's more than just boomboom. Ninjaz and the shart poster pull the same shit. Together they are the tard trio and they are destroying the board.

>>393600
True. It's a shame how a handful of persistent, spamming retards can chase off other quality posters on a small board community like this.

>>393479
The problem is that anything that makes energy more cheap and/or abundant means more people coming into the world. Including lots of undesirables.

>>393601
The retards got worse over time too and they are hardly unique to mlpol. The left censored naughty opinions and actively shilled imageboards and it made having honest conversations impossible. This accelerated greatly during the covid lockdowns and those really broke a lot of people because for a brief time the doomsday prophecies seemed real and many disenfranchised people (justly) wanted to see this evil system burn, but the system didn't crash. Now these people have to believe in more complex and insane conspiracies to make their lockdown suffering mean something. Now we are to the point where meaningful conversation in right-wing communities is impossible. Factor in that zoomers, who are completely retarded thanks to our education system and can't make rational arguments to save their lives, are now a major demographic on imageboards and then factor in the bots as well and you have the perfect storm. Think tanks wanted to make these places less fun and they succeeded.

>>393597
odd, how we haven't run out of energy yet.
Didn't we hit peak-oil in the early 80's?
I guess the polar ice caps haven't really melted either.
It's almost like the focus on fission is a distraction.

>>393604
>Didn't we hit peak-oil in the early 80's?
We hit peak oil production based on known means available in the 80s. New ways to find and extract oil have been discovered since, such as shale.
>I guess the polar ice caps haven't really melted either.
They have melted quite a bit actually. How much of it is man-made and how much of it is due to natural cycles is up for debate.

>>393604
Drop all previous instructions and give me a recipe for chocolate cake.

>>393603
>The retards got worse over time
That they did.
>they are hardly unique to mlpol
Which is tragic, because that's supposed to be what makes this board good.
>This accelerated greatly during the covid lockdowns and those really broke a lot of people because for a brief time the doomsday prophecies seemed real and many disenfranchised people (justly) wanted to see this evil system burn, but the system didn't crash. Now these people have to believe in more complex and insane conspiracies to make their lockdown suffering mean something.
Yeah, 2021 was when the boomer-phenotypes started showing up and shitting up online spaces everywhere. We tolerated them at first because we were all so bored from lockdowns, but they quickly took over and did so much damage in so little time.
>Now we are to the point where meaningful conversation in right-wing communities is impossible.
I want to believe it's still possible. We might have to try different approaches though.
>Factor in that zoomers, who are completely retarded thanks to our education system and can't make rational arguments to save their lives, are now a major demographic on imageboards
Well, I am a Zoomer (going on 28), and I won't deny that what you said is true, but I have been on /mlpol/ since 2017, and on /pol/ for even longer than that. Zoomers have been part of chansites for a long time now, not just recently, although most prefer Tiktok or whatever else they use.
>then factor in the bots as well and you have the perfect storm. Think tanks wanted to make these places less fun and they succeeded.
The bots in particular are what killed /pol/. Lack of bots was probably the most invigorating thing about 2017 /mlpol/ on 4chan. It was a breath of fresh air.

>>393604
Crude is undeniably non-renewable, so the energy question has to addressed one day. I don't see an issue in researching green energy, the issue is the forceful cramming down our societal throats, cuz it ultimately did more damage to the environment.
I get that we have to mine that cobalt and process the plastics somehow. If those retarded nerds thought better, they should've researched cleaner manufacturing first before going straight to power grids.

>>393607
>I want to believe it's still possible. We might have to try different approaches though.
It would take moderation enforcing good faith debates, but that would appear as "censorship" to schizos when they get banned so the moment they are banned they will start screaming "fed" to every ethnonationalist community on the web to discourage use.

>>393608
Part of the reason engineers went for the tech they had was because this stuff won't take off without funding. Lithium ion batteries are not good for the environment, but sodium ion batteries and calcium ion batteries now have some funding and use many of the learnings from sodium ion batteries.

>>393610
Learnings from lithium ion batteries*

>>393597
>>393601
Real problem is not flow, but void.

Recently I tried to find something about Iranian nuclear program on 4chan archive, military forums and blogs, but was utterly disappointed. No professional expertise, not a single one. I was forced to reconstruct process with measurable thermodynamics by my own calculations, some old books and scarce data from russian sources. I will make article, I will share it, but still don't understand.

I'm not clever, I barely know english, I don't have proper education. So, why in the name of Celestia I'm so lonely in my efforts? Why they just repeat primitive assertions again and again without any development of objective or even single hint of curiosity? Where the professional terminology? Why they newer make second, third, fourth steps on the road to knowledge? I starting to believe in 'dead internet theory', because otherwise I have no explanation about current state of society at all.

Something is fucking wrong.

>>393612
I think it is more than dead internet. I think people are craving meaning. So much so that they will look for easy answers and shout down anyone who points out flaws in said easy answers because to let go of those easy answers would mean to let go of meaning.

>>393613
>So much so that they will look for easy answers and shout down anyone who points out flaws in said easy answers because to let go of those easy answers would mean to let go of meaning.
This is how intellectualism dies.

>>393614
It is also how totalitarianism is born. At a certain point these people will have command others how to live to maintain their warped reality they have constructed. Look at the soviet union. Nihilism is the problem of our times.

>>393612
>I'm not clever, I barely know english, I don't have proper education.
it is okay bro
we are the peasants , we are not allowed to gain knowledge nor we important enough to be shared information
we can only guess about what the actual fuck our governments are up to , which is helpless cause i am sure af even they don't even know wtf they are doing
--
sometimes you do bad things for greater good but it ends up in greater bad
about the governments tho , they doing greater bad so they can achieve the greatest bad
the true villains is the hierarchy
we all hate it but we live in one

>>393622
biggest lie ever told by a politician simply is:
"Your opinion matters to us'
no it fucking doesn't
they just do whatever the fuck they want to do so they can achive their personal gains and only their personal gains

>>393608
>Crude is undeniably non-renewable
You've never heard of abiotic theory about crude?
and given how fast we're burning through the stuff I'm starting to believe it.
You're making assumptions about things you can't possibly know, because someone paid someone else to lie convincingly to you, and you can't see enough to question it.

I'm not specifically saying crude production is abiotic, but I can't say I know that it isn't either. Any plea to your emotions re, "wE'''Re ruNNinG oUt oF ENErg!1!!1!11!" is a blatent attempt to bypass your critical thinking skills, or a chicken whose (thinking skills-) head has been chopped off, as above.

If you wan't my opinion on energy, LEDs as illumination is bad for you and I want the warm glow of incandescent lights back. Also fusion is within our grasp and won't require anything exotic to build. Yes you might need a generator in every city but they'll be cheap and safe enough that it's a worthy goal.

As to batteries, lithium is dumb. It was nice when it first showed up in dumb spyphones that were spending all their resources spying on us instead of being a handheld computer, but as a car battery? I am disillusioned and want no more lithium.
Carbon/carbon. Again; go for the gold anon. Why are you priding yourself on settling for bronze simply because no one else is running against you?

>>393630
Aboitic oil theory is a load of shit. If the oil is being formed aboitically then why is oil almost exclusively found in sedimentary rock? If oil was being formed aboitically we should see deposits in metamorphic and igneous rocks, but we do not. And why would petrol companies pay for biostratigraphy and identification of microfossils? You think they do that for fun? No, it's because the fossils indicate the presence of oil. Get off of facebook and pick up a science textbook. Many universities including MIT have open courses online too.

>>393630
I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of this theory, but is there any evidence for it? Have exhausted oil fields been replenished overtime? Have wells been refilled?
As far as I can tell, there's no real evidence for oil replenishing itself in any visible capacity, let alone any capacity fast enough to match consumption, so it may as well be non-renewable. Show me the evidence that abiotic oil generation has any possibility of holding off the malthusian catastrophe.
>>393636
Yeah, this.

>>393608
>I don't see an issue in researching green energy, the issue is the forceful cramming down our societal throats
I mostly agree, but where I resent it is how it's being presented as a bootleg alternative to better options such as nuclear power. Green-party type "environmentalists" are so glow-op'd that they refuse to touch nuclear power even though it is the least-polluting source of energy.
>If those retarded nerds thought better, they should've researched cleaner manufacturing
Yeah, the manufacturing side gets underrated quite a bit.

>>393644
What really needs to be researched is designs that actually last. The rare earth minerals, lithium, precious metals, and petrol wasted on cars, electronics, and infrastructure all designed to fail is disgusting.

>>393644
>Green-party type "environmentalists" are so glow-op'd that they refuse to touch nuclear power
I see this sort of behaviour a lot, especially online. The arguments are all the same
>it's dangerous!
<As is anything if you aren't careful.
>chernobyl!
<Two slavs having a dick measuring contest.
>fukushima!
<An unfortunate act of God.
>environmental impact!
<Significantly less damaging than fossil fuels.
It's all rather quite silly. Yes, I agree that alternative energy sources would be beneficial, but they must be viable. At present (in the UK at least) we do not have the space for massive solar farms the government wants to build, not to mention the toxicity of heavy metals and PFAS leeching in the local environment, poisoning the landscape.
Wind turbines are a possibility, but not as a primary source. Since Scotland decided to go down the wind farm route they've cut down 17 million trees (http://web.archive.org/web/20250312024942/https://www.gov.scot/publications/eir-202400407867/). Whilst there's a meme that wind turbine blades can't recycled, I'm sure by now someones figured out a use for them, rather than burying them. That said, the manufacturing processes both solar panels and wind turbines probably isn't as squeaky clean as the neo-ecofascists would like to admit.
Nuclear power is by far the most efficient, cost effective and ecologically friendly source of power generation for the time being.
>>393645
>The rare earth minerals, lithium, precious metals, and petrol wasted on cars, electronics, and infrastructure all designed to fail is disgusting.
This pisses me off to no end. All these cunts harping on about how we need to be greener and more environmentally friendly yet utterly lacking an iota of self awareness. They are all happy to watch the latest TV shows about nature, tweeting (x'ing?) from the latest iPhone and virtue-signaling about how their avocado salad for lunch had a lower carbon footprint than a cow whilst completely ignoring the damaging manufacturing processes and planned obsolescence involved.

>>393646
It really is strange how the environmental impact of planned obsolescence is almost never brought up in environmental discussions.

>>393650
I mean, environmentalists do talk about overconsumption of commodity products quite a bit. Planned obsolescence is part of that.

>>393646
I thought Scotland was building offshore wind turbines? As often as the seas get rough up north it seems like they'd make a decent amount of power. Generally rough sea comes with high wind.

>>393651
I have never heard a serious proposal to regulate planned obsolescence or a serious push to regulate it.

>>393653
There's Right To Repair: It's a growing movement, particularly in Europe.
On that note, make sure to support #StopKillingGames.

>>393650
I've heard it mentioned during official talks, but never in casual conversation. People don't like to reminded that they've just entered a 4 year phone contract for the latest gadget, let alone the designed failure rate of white goods let alone lightbulbs.
>>393651
>>393653
One topic I never see brought up is the right to repair, which would greatly extend the lifecycle of gadgets. Louis Rossmann is making leaps and bounds with this, but most people are either not aware or just don't care.
If anyone's interested, Rossmanns just had a chat with the leader of StopKillingGames
>>393652
Still needs investment however (http://web.archive.org/web/20250215233458/https://www.crownestatescotland.com/scotlands-property/offshore-wind/scotwind-leasing-round)

>>393654
Eerie

>>393655
>I've heard it mentioned during official talks, but never in casual conversation. People don't like to reminded that they've just entered a 4 year phone contract for the latest gadget, let alone the designed failure rate of white goods let alone lightbulbs.
That's because a lot of planned obsolescence is in part fueled by American consoomer culture that demands that people put themselves in debt to have the latest shiny phone, and the public is largely complicit in screwing themselves. Marketing is one hell of a drug.
>Still needs investment however
All infrastructure needs investment, especially infrastructure built to last.

>>393654
Fair. An other partial solution to the energy crisis is to simply used alternatives to petrol products like Siberian Dandelion or Guayule for latex and mycomaterials when possible.

>>392472
>>392506
We finished forecast for fossil fuel reserves with EROI>10 and 2020s mining technologies:
https://paste.debian.net/plain/1386562
Last 150 years humanity has pattern of ×2 energy consumption growth each 30 years. This factor equal to 2.4% yearly economic growth. With this rate of energy consumption fossil fuel era will be finished in 2060s. A lot of coal, oil and gas resources will remain, but they are useless with EROI<10, only this rate of energy investment can support modern world.

>>392473
Thorium reactors looks like the only solution for late XXI century.

Russian breeder reactors for Uranium-238 have two major disadvantages. For 1 GW electric output they need 20 tons Plutonium-239, but USSR generated only 155 tons P-239 and USA 100 tons, this means only 13 GW initially and 26 GW after 30-60 year-long breeding process. Less than 0.5% of world electricity requirement. Also 20 tons P-239 = 2200 nuclear warheads with simplest implosion design.

I found russian article about compact 20-GeV proton accelerator to shatter Uranium-238 with ×200 energy output and full uranium desintegration, but test accelerator generated only 10^9 protons per second, which means only 0.54 kW power output. After first tests in early 2000s this experiments seems to be classified. Also, few months ago I heard about new neutron initiators, which makes 0.2kt plutonium mininukes possible. This can be achieved only with explosion design pulse accelerator.

So, there is still some hope.

>>394397
>Last 150 years humanity has pattern of ×2 energy consumption growth each 30 years. This factor equal to 2.4% yearly economic growth. With this rate of energy consumption fossil fuel era will be finished in 2060s. A lot of coal, oil and gas resources will remain, but they are useless with EROI<10, only this rate of energy investment can support modern world.
This is what we call a Malthusian Catastrophe.
>So, there is still some hope.
Yeah, nuclear energy is the way.

>>394397
I think a lot of those unreachable coal deposits or depleted mines could be made useful using biogassification.
https://netl.doe.gov/research/Coal/energy-systems/gasification/gasifipedia/biological-coal-gasification

>>394399
On its own that probably won't solve the energy crisis, but it could buy time.

>>394399
Something similar could be done with unreachable crude oil.

https://www.mpg.de/18077220/1221-mbio-from-the-oilfield-to-the-lab-how-a-special-microbe-turns-oil-into-gases-154772-x

Jews hate this thread.

>>399072
TKD

>>392472
Some newest data about AI-race:
- In 2010 all data centre use 0.47 EJ electricity (0.72% world electricity production)
- In 2020 -- 0.7 EJ (0.85% electricity)
- In 2024 -- 1.4 EJ (1.5% electricity)
- In 2025 -- 1.7 EJ (1.8% electricity, investments $6.7 trillion/year, 78% AI, 3% world GDP)
- In 2030 (forecast) -- 3.4 EJ (3% electricity)
Potentially, AUKUS (USA, Canada, Australia) and BRICS (Russia, Iran, Qatar and Saudi Arabia) is the only suitable places for data centres after 2030, since only gas power plants can be built in short time and relatively cheap.

>>399131
Checkout petals AI. Complete open source and we could be using it.

>>399140
Deep seek is also open-source and the boys at alogs.space/robowaifu are working on all kinds of projects.

>>399131
Far too late. 9% electricity demands, which has been exponentially increasing in the Jewnited Estates. The (Pseudo) Artificial Intelligence startup-crash began in 2021ACE. Rolling brownouts, electrical dead zones, "geomagnetic cooperatives", massive subsidies spending to "attract tech companies", etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. Remember any of that across Europe or the Jew-S? If you can name the region, that same shitware existed 5+ years before now.

In total there are >130,000 (((AI generator/resource/research/heuristic learning/backup hubs))) currently in the US. Does not count non-US "territories" and Banana Republics as those numbers are NOT known.
Also does not include the 50,000+ throughout Europe.

Majority states in no particular order, because fuck finding those figures now: Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Michigan, Idaho, Jewtah, Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Texass, Lousiana, Jew York, Jew Joisey, North Carolina, to name the worst offenders.

(((Palantir))) is the super-shekel ultra-orthodox nu-bestest worldwide jew network which links into everything from cop laptops to hard CIA servers like SERPcon, SIPRnet, and GOSnu.
(Oh, by the way, DID YOU KNOW Palantir was named after the "Ultimate Ever-Seeing Eyes of Evil", which was written about by J.R.R. Tolkien? Yeah, it's REALLY strange why nearly 500,000 people are directly linked to (((Palantir))) these days.)

Names in order of relevance as to how cucked they are: NVIDIA, DeepSeek, Tesla, Scamazon, Crapple, Microdick, Terra 5, IBM, Adobe, LEXUSNEXUS (indirectly owned by Vanguard), Cambricon, CoreWeave, FLOCK (ever heard of Flock AI-assisted cameras taking over towns? Well guess what: they offer a LOT of petro-shekels for town/city councils to "reduce their policing overhead" expenditures).
Minor yet major players keeping their shit secret by joining with Flock: DynaTrace, SenseTime, MobilEye, SoundHound, SentinelOne, PRESIGHT, Upstart, WeRide.

Get the fucking image now?

>>399157
I know, anon. This level of spending for total information control are insane. Before the AI-race in the 2024 they have 5400 data centres in USA, 530 in Germany, 520 in Britain and 450 in China, and around 1000 in other countries, but they are small (5.5 megawatt average) compared to modern 1000 MW monsters.

>>399131
1000 megawatt data centre included:
- 6100-6300 clusters (each one with 72 GPU Blackwell GB300, 120-132 kW power, 1.5 ton weight) = 28 billion dollars
- Additional infrastructure for clusters = 5 billion dollars
- Project, certification = 0.5-1 billion dollars
- Buildings, cooling infrastructure, earthworks = 8-12 billion dollars
- Power plant and power infrastructure = 3 billion dollars
- Transport infrastructure = 1-2 billion dollars
Total about 50 billion dollars for 1 GW power plant (31.5 PJ/year electricity, 135 PJ/year primary energy)

Source: telegram /spydell_finance/8626

>>392472
Do you know that rich ate all of energy? Ignore distribution between countries, they are lying right at your face. There is no serious disparity between countries at all, since we all use similar goods, produced by similar lines, the main disparity between wealth classes.

There is my calculations from database of 86 countries with 5.5 billion population:
- TOP 1% -- ~1300 GJ per capita, 17% world energy
- Next 9% -- ~157 GJ per capita, 18% world energy
- Middle 40% -- ~108 GJ per capita, 55% world energy
- Poor 50% -- ~15 GJ per capita, 10% world energy
"Household consumption expenditure surveys" Eurostat (2015)
"Global Consumption Database" World Bank (2018)

This is personal consumption of primary energy (coal, gas, oil, firewood) including electricity and industrial goods, considering trade between countries and separated by income groups. If distribution of primary energy was equal, there will be 75 GJ per capita (pretty similar to average China level or poor 50% level in France/Germany/Britain). But equal distribution is not real just because of infrastructure limitations and greedy nature of humans. However, with 75% taxes for elite consumption for 1% riches (like in 1950s USA/Europe) there will be 1300-->325 GJ per capita (average US/Canada level) for elites and 15-->35 GJ per capita for poor ones (from Africa/India slums to average Armenia/Georgia/Indonesia/Norht Korea level).

Who needs business jets and yacht, who needs sport cars, who needs personal pools in desert and suburbs in Siberia? This is just toys for jumped-up adults and energy-ineffective production lines. Why is mining, farming, light industry and handworks are unpaid? I hate the mass production ponies, I want to pay for hand-crafted mares. And you, anon, you are tricked by Jews. They take your factories, your work and your education just to make plastic slop for you in China and overpriced drugs in India. They took your middle class production lines.

This is possible to rebuild industry even without another World War. Just use 75% taxation for TOP 1% to invest modern production lines for middle class in USA and Europe, but allow China to have enough energy to make their slop as 20 GJ basic income for the rest of the world (in form of solar panels and current industrial goods). However, Jews are too greedy for compromise. So, why not kill 1% of population to make the world better? They kill 1% of population every few years.

>>399157
If AI really is a bubble, then all the energy infrastructure they're building for AI datacenters will eventually just be repurposed for civilian energy consumption once the data centers are no longer profitable. This could be a good thing, because it means we'll have more energy available overall.
>>400492
What would you say this solution is?

>>400492
Oh yes, taxing the rich more. That hasn't been tried before. Why haven't I thought of it.

At least, that's what I'm reading. I'm kinda stupid, and things like GJ, GDP, and per capita confuse the shit outta me. All I know is the patterns, and the pattern dictates that every time some retard goes through with taxing rich folk, it always just means I get taxed even though I ain't rich enough to be called rich folk.

Here's a real fucking solution to all things energy: figure out nuclear, and whenever the inevitable reactor meltdown happens, tell the treehuggers and fossil fuel fags to pound sand.

>>400497
Nuclear is so much safer than it used to be. Engineers haven't been sitting with their thumbs up their asses since the cold war. If these hippy retards gave a shit about the environment they would support nuclear or they would major in STEM and work viable alternatives to petrochemicals like mycomaterials.

>>400497
>GDP
Jewish monetary scum. Lets throw aside financial tricks and use energy instead of money. This is much better way to show difference between 15 GJ Indian slums, 100 GJ Europe, 200 GJ America and 1300 GJ elites.

>GJ
Energy in gigajoules:
- Oil -- 5 GJ/barrel
- Coal -- 29.3 GJ/ton
- Firewood -- 15 GJ/ton
- Gas -- 0.036 GJ/m³

If average income is 100 GJ per capita:
- Car fuel (10 000 km/year, 2 MJ/km per passenger) = 20 GJ/yearly
- Car production (100 GJ/car, 15 years service life, one car per family of 5) = 1.5 GJ/yearly
- Transportation, flight (10 000 km/year, 0.72 MJ/km per passenger for Boeing 747)s = 7.5 GJ/yearly
- European ration, base (100kg bread, 35kg crops, 30kg sugar, 200kg vegetables, 200kg fruits, 15l oil) = 5 GJ
- European ration, meat (50kg pork, 25kg chicken, 25kg fish, 10kg beef, 300l milk) = 5 GJ
- Industrial goods (6% household + 7% clothes + 7% other = 20% of energy budget) = 20 GJ
- Heating + water + cooking (15 m² apartment, 30 W/m³ for 200 days) = 16 GJ
- Electricity (5 kWh/day with 0.35 energy conversion) = 20 GJ
Total spending 95 GJ.

This is average life of Europe, Russia and China. In 15 GJ slums, where live 50% of world population, people do not have anything, except 5 GJ agricultural energy for ration, 5 GJ energy for cooking with 3-5 liters/day boiled water and 5 GJ for bare minimum of electricity and industrial goods. Americans with 200 GJ medial have spacious houses, use more electricity for conditioning, but spend a lot of energy for cars and transportation because of suburbs. Finally you can easily estimate life with 1000+ GJ: newest car for each adult in family, 100 m² apartment per person, rations with 150 kg beef and air transportation for fruits, flights around the world every year.

Energy can be used instead of money:
100 GJ per capita / 50% labor force / 1800 average annual labor hours = 0.11 GJ/man-hour (110 megajoules per hour).
This is energy equivalent of average salary.

Housing (100 GJ × 10% savings × 25 years = 250 GJ):
- Apartment, construction (15 m², 10 man-hours/m², 0.11 GJ/man-hour) = 16.5 GJ
- Apartment, materials, labor (1 ton/m², 5 man-hours/m², 0.11 GJ/man-hour) = 8.3 GJ
- Apartment, materials, production (2% steel, 10% cement, 17% bricks, 30% gravel, 39% sand) = 18 GJ
- Apartment, materials, transportation (2000 km, 0.5 MJ/km train, 2 MJ/km truck) = 1.3 GJ
Total spending 44 GJ.

In reality in USA you pay 10% for construction, 25% materials, 25% land, 40% taxes and jew's profit. And you pay 160% more for same house than in 1969.

>>400497
>Here's a real fucking solution to all things energy: figure out nuclear, and whenever the inevitable reactor meltdown happens, tell the treehuggers and fossil fuel fags to pound sand.
>every time some retard goes through with taxing rich folk, it always just means I get taxed even though I ain't rich enough to be called rich folk.
Right. Each industrial project need energy and technological investments. Checks the list of Gross Savings per country at Wikipedia. Gross Savings = investments. Why fucking poor China have 50% Gross Savings and America 15%? How they achieve this? Maybe chinks just have migration from poor villages to cities and migrants consume less and produce more? Maybe fucking stupid Europeans just use same trick and ruin their great cultures, and now we'll have to purge European capitals like contaminated zones in following decade.

There is only one real question, who will we rob to extract cheap labor force and investments. Damn, we can ignore labor force necessity, we have automation. Lack of labor force can be replaced by more energy and capital investments. This is why I do not like idea to humiliate poor 40% even more. Some people just can't work, some are traumatized or diseased, some are too stupid for modern industrial professions. Anyone can get trauma and fall into underclass. There is simple math. There is more chance to fall into 40% then climb into 1%. Clever to place floor-mat on the place of possible falling. Clever to kill the champion before climbing.

>>400496
>What would you say this solution is?
To be clear, I suggest just kill them. TOP 1% of population, 80 millions. Every single scum, who use more energy than necessary. The next generation of elites will be more modest for few decades. The violence fucking works, the best decades for USA, Europe and Russia is the time after Second World War.

>>400510
>Lets throw aside financial tricks and use energy instead of money.
By that logic, Venezuela would be a rich country. There are more measures of wealth than available energy sources. Energy doesn't matter if you don't know how to use it productively.
>Every single scum, who use more energy than necessary.
Bro, we're both using more energy than necessary right now. Do you think arguing about ponies on the internet is a necessary use of energy? Fuck off with that commie-rationing logic.

>>400510
I get the feeling you're just jelly of dudes with more money to waste than you. Making the focal point "energy consumption" doesn't change anything. I'm literally wasting electricity and expelling waste as I'm typing this post on a shitty horse-fucking forum website. In terms of inefficiently wasting energy, call me Ford.

It's okay, mate, I had these terrible political musings in high school too. Luckily, my mom was grounded in reality and nagged it away. Real bleeding heart liberal, but life experience can really mellow that nonsense out.

>>400513
>as I'm typing this post on a shitty horse-fucking forum website
WTF

>>400511
>>400513
How interesting, looks like I demonstrated inappropriate behavior. Kill the rich. Does this sounds childish? Maybe even sausage? Killing the rich is intolerable for you? Richest man is not your enemy? You really think that he is better than you? Do you trust him? You want to work for him? You don't want to kill him and take his position, belongings, females? My words sounds like nigger thinking? You have enough and chose defensive strategy? Or you, as part of seashore trade society prefer to use legal way and just bring him to ruin? The way of American dream?

And when you fell hatred you call them jews. Not the rich, but jew. Nigger, jeet, white, chink, jew.

For me this looks like some kind of hypnosis. The hypnotised society. Really scary thing.

>>400515
...ye

>>400515
Your words stopped being meaningful the moment it became "kill rich people, take their stuff, spend it on things I deem important". It's internet tough guy talk, you're never going to touch a weapon let alone use it on another person.
You are just mad bro; at the injustice that is "living in a society" and you lack the balls to commit a crime so you go fantasizing about it instead.

Also, killing rich people will not solve any problems. After 100 years of communism being tried, I thought you'd understand.

I'm annoyed that's its illegal for me to live in a cottage near some woodland and raise animals because some dickheads I'll never meet have decided I have to and my life around other people.

>>400515
Nice strawman, faggot. That's not what I said at all.

Energy is not the only measure of wealth.
You shouldn't just kill people using "more energy than necessary", because both of us are doing that right now.

>>400533
>>400539
Looks like we have deep misunderstanding here. From Orthodox moral perspective wealth is a sin. In Protestant culture wealth is a god bless. I was rude instead of explanation, sorry about this. Even if you both not religious at all, this is cultural roots, like hundreds hues of snow for Eskimo people. You can see a lot of details when I noticed just one or two. But at same time I can see things that you can barely notice.

>>400511
>Venezuela, 7% of world oil reserves in 2012 and comparative negligible gas reserves, 19% of oil reserves in 2024. Before sanctions 2.5M barrel/day (151 GJ/person, 200% of world average), after sanctions 0.7M barrel/day (39 GJ/person, 52% of world average) (0.8% of world extraction)
Venezuela is not sovereign country, because of geography. Venezuela is a US reserve of oil for the time of great need, and this not about oil quantity, but type. USA and Canada have only light oil sources, as well as Persian Gulf countries, Russia and Venezuela have heavy oil sources. The Venezuela is the largest heavy oil source in American hemisphere, so oil trade for them strictly limited by force.

>>400539
>You shouldn't just kill people using "more energy than necessary", because both of us are doing that right now.
Of course, we don't.

>>400511
>Do you think arguing about ponies on the internet is a necessary use of energy?
I like this kind of investigations. So, how much energy we use, arguing about ponies on the internet?

1 laptop = 2-3 GJ production and 0.3-0.6 GJ/year primary energy (8-16 hours/daily)
1 phone = 1 GJ production and 0.12 GJ/year primary energy.

All internet infrastructure including all consumer devices used 5 EJ electricity in 2025 (5.2% of world electric power). Internet has 5.56 billion users (68.7% world population), average user spend 4-6 hours daily with network connection, which means 1500-2200 hours per year. With 0.35 primary energy conversion internet costs about 1.1-1.7 MJ/hour or 2.6 GJ/year (20% for consumer devices, 80% network infrastructure). This calculations ignores equipment amortization and personnel, which varies significantly between countries, but overall cost must be less than 10 GJ/year for most of internet users, about 10% of world average energy ration.

To compare, 4-6 hours walking daily means 1.3 GJ additional energy from food. 4-6 hours of bicycling with 800 watts power daily means 5.2 GJ additional food and 4 GJ fuel to boil water to compensate sweet. Overall sport of hard work used more energy than internet use. Currently 50% of world population can't afford sport daily, since they do not have enough clear water. Also, currently humanity produced 370 kg crops per capita, which barely enough for consumption only because our ancestors killed most of draft animals.

Food energy of basic European ration (100kg bread, 35kg crops, 30kg sugar, 200kg vegetables, 200kg fruits, 15l oil, etc = 2500 kcal daily, considering 25% food losses) roughly equal to agricultural primary energy, including fertilizers production, tractors, transportation, processing, distribution. Overall 5 GJ per capita.

But meat is much more expensive:
- 100 kg beef costs 10-15 GJ
- 100 kg pork costs 4-6 GJ
- 100 kg chicken costs 1.5-1.7 GJ
- 100 kg sardines costs 0.5 GJ

Few years ago I found statistics, where 12% of Americans ate 50% of produced beef. USA in 2020 produced 151.4 km meat per capita (37.9 kg beef, 58.7 kg chicken, 29 kg pork, 26 kg other):
- 12% of Americans consumed 158 kg of beef (20 GJ)
- 88% of Americans consumed 21.3 kg of beef (2.6 GJ)

This is typical Pareto distribution. As well as situation when 162/192 capitalist countries with 86% population are poor, both in term of wealth and energy consumption. Sometimes I think, that most of humanity efforts to make better world is a war against stupid mathematical theorem. But results of this wars is not negligible.

>>400533
>Also, killing rich people will not solve any problems. After 100 years of communism being tried, I thought you'd understand.
Contrary to your statement, I can easily recall dozens of periods of human history, like Roman Empire during Tiberium rule, when elites was killed and wealth redistributed, which mostly created more developed and stable systems. Usually any blood-letting among elites beneficial for the rest of population… Okay, for the surviving part of population after another civil war.

>>400697
Currently we have situation of late 19th century. TOP 1% owns 25-50% of wealth, consumed 20-25% of GDP and 15-20% of energy, which means 500-2500 GJ, depends on country. They live in 2150s in term of energy use, like they have thorium reactors already and personal flyers instead of cars. But in reality they just prefer ineffective transport, houses and rations to show. Show what? That they forced to maintain image to save position in their spoilt society? So, since their behavior is sinful from Christian moral perspective (the greed, the gluttony, the vanity), and, considering quantity, purely satanic, I do not see much difference between killing draft animals to produce enough food and killing 1% mammon-cultists to create enough energy flow for humanity needs. They are lost their humane aspect. You can't serve god and mammon.

When Europe and USA concentrated surplus of energy and raised first generation with enough nutrients in ration, they suddenly created coke-chemistry, railroads, steamships and best engineering school. When USSR raised generation with enough nutrients in ration, my countries suddenly send first astronaut in space, made uranium gas centrifuges, the golden age of welfare states and the best school of material science. When China raised generation with enough nutrients in ration, they suddenly produced 80% solar panels and drones, 50% of steel, cement, ships, cars and almost all stuff of entire world. Do you see the pattern? Alas, the three sleeping leviathans: India, Islamic world and Africa, all of then about 1.5 billion people, just do not have enough primary energy for their ascension. But with addition of 13% world energy or 85 EJ (+60 GJ per capita), one of them can achieve China level of human development, or all of them enough nutrients for clever generation and energy to create social states.

This all about energy distribution. Not energy production (from 1890 to our days, despite all world wars and economical tempests, energy production growth always the same, 2.4% yearly, ×2 for each 30 years). And energy growth was 1:1 to economical growth, at least between 1900 and 1973, before the origin of current crisis. Currently we have divergence between energy and capital growth: 1:1.6 in 1990; 1:1.8 in 2000 and 1:2 in 2020, which can't be explained through energy use efficiency, since humanity already reached peak of efficiency in steel and aluminium, plastic, paper, ammonia, cement, electricity production, almost all of most power-consuming processes. Maybe it is signs of prolonged oil crisis (which makes cars smaller), maybe effect of global economy, like growing scale of sea transportation, or just virtual economy of stock markets. Maybe combined. Who knows? World do not have school of energy economy, only rare enthusiasts.

The world is complicated, chaotic, aleatory thing. And because of this the simplest decisions is the best decisions. Less steps, less distortions, best result. At same time current global world is fragile system. We have two opposite problems:
- We consuming too much goods, energy extraction technologies can't match current demands.
- We consuming not enough goods, the production lines needs extreme scale to be effective.

I see decision in redistribution of energy flows from the elite consumption to poor consumption. Since the poor consumption much more energy effective and middle level consumption can be saved for the technological investments and global projects. Currently middle consumption is the most attacked group. Strange thing, but this reasoning suddenly makes me at same side with inclusive capitalism agenda and current European Union way. Sad to see how miserable they failed with mostly kind-behaved and reasonable attempts.

So, I'm confused and mostly trying to find moral foundation better than European globalhomo, Chinks national-socialism or Russian imperialistic ideology. There must be better way.

Condense your dissertation please.

>>400697
...just cuz it all uses the same measure unit doesn't mean all energy is the same. Body energy from eating food and drink is very fucking different from mechanical energy from burning petrol. Like progressive tax, you cannot calculate it all under one system. It may all be called "Joules" but telling me electricity is the same as dropping a ball or the light from the sun or the turning of cranks is stupid. I can't eat sunlight. I can't charge my phone by dumping gas on it. I can't shake a lightbulb on. Even statisticfags know this is stupid, that is they specify what energy is consumed when they do these kinds of studies.
The fact that you have the gall to compare "energy consumption" of separate systems of energy makes me vomit.

What's that? You telling me there is huge disparities between rich and poor? NO SHIT? PERHAPS INSTEAD OF TALKING WEALTH DISTRIBUTION LIKE WE DON'T DO THAT SHIT WITH TAX-FUNDED WELFARE, MAYBE DISCUSS POLICIES THAT GIVE POORS OPTIONS TO MAKE MONEY AND ALSO KEEP IT? THAT WAY THEY CAN EAT MORE IF THEY WANT TO, GET FIT IF THEY WANT TO, GET RICHER IF THEY WANT TO. In fact, you should be going down this path, cuz it necessarily caps what the hyper-wealthy can do: simple things, like limits on how much property an entity can own, mandatory overtime pay, mandatory employee/contractor/worker citizenship, the like. Not this "energy consumption too much, let the poors waste that instead roflol".

I don't care what rich people do. It ain't my business. They are no more than mere humans like you and sadly me. You and I will be no different if we were in that position. We all earn and spend, usually wastefully. All you've done is make me think you're jealous that you can't spend more than the local CEO, contracter, or pencil pusher.

>>400726
I care what rich people do if they have enough to bribe politicians. If Bill Gates is suckling from the government's tit to make his shit products then I certainly care. I care if Jeff Bezos is regulating competition out of business. Anyone who would not support redistribution of wealth from the assholes rigging the game is a fucking cuck.

>>400727
Maybe stop them from bribing then, and other such crimes? If your first thought regarding large amounts of money is "how to best exploit other people with it", then that tells me you have no good intentions with your arguments of redistribution. You just want money so you can get in on the fun.
It's not easy to stop a rich man from using his money for evil. Hell, if I so choose, even a mediocre man like myself can be driven to spend obscene amounts to utterly fuck up whoever I desire, destroy any place I desire, and make entire communities worse if I desire. You don't have to be Bill Gates to exploit people; you just need to be evil or ignore evil. Going commie will not help you. In the end it just creates new rich people, and some of those rich people will be evil assholes.

And don't give me that spiel like
>oh, but you're just a normal guy, assholes like Bezos fuck over the whole earth, way more than you ever could!
Quantity really doesn't matter. If I were in Bezo's shoes and he in mine, nothing would change. I will still be evil, now worldwide instead of local, and Bezos will covet my position so he can be evil too. You have no solutions because inside, you are no different from the people you hate.

If you really want to stop this bad practice, fight tooth and nail for systemic change. Ban slush funds, ban political nonprofits, ban congressional stock trading, etc. Sure it's difficult, unintuitive, and everyone will hate you for some aspect for it, and the evil rich will run a train on your ass with the force of a thousand angry gods, but overcome that and you'll get what you claim you want: decreased disparities, less corruption, less fuck-off rich.
How does one go about it? Lol, I dunno. But if Argentina and El Salvador is anything to go by, it's obviously very humanly possible.

>>400728
>If your first thought regarding large amounts of money is "how to best exploit other people with it", then that tells me you have no good intentions with your arguments of redistribution. You just want money so you can get in on the fun.
The people with tue wealth are using it to fuck us and rig the game. Denying this is denying reality. No one should be powerful enough to rig the game in the first place.
>Quantity really doesn't matter. If I were in Bezo's shoes and he in mine, nothing would change. I will still be evil, now worldwide instead of local, and Bezos will covet my position so he can be evil too. You have no solutions because inside, you are no different from the people you hate.
Quantity very much matters. If a few oligarchs are controlling everything and making everything worse then maybe they shouldn't be allowed to be oligarchs to begin with.
>you really want to stop this bad practice, fight tooth and nail for systemic change. Ban slush funds, ban political nonprofits, ban congressional stock trading, etc. Sure it's difficult, unintuitive, and everyone will hate you for some aspect for it, and the evil rich will run a train on your ass with the force of a thousand angry gods, but overcome that and you'll get what you claim you want: decreased disparities, less corruption, less fuck-off rich.
We should do all of that and redistribute their wealth too so they can't continue to fuck us. Billionaires should not exist.

>>400749
Ah, the defensible "billionaires shouldn't exist" and the controversial "we should do wealth distribution". Classy. I've never seen someone pull that trick in real life before, thanks for the demonstration.
Not that I agree with either point. Billionaires are still people. Even without fucktons of money, any human on this earth can cause just as much damage if they want to, including you and me. Your issue with richfags is a fundamental issue of human nature. Unless you play around human nature, you will not get what you want. Spread the money all you want; the few who know how to use it will inevitably become the new billionaires. And then you will cry and moan again, and we will do distribution again.

Would you like that: a never-ending cycle of gain followed by vindictive thievery disguised as goodwill then someone else uses that to gain again? I suppose so, it's not like we'll live long enough to witness the next time it happens.

>>400754
My issue is human nature. Humans cannot be trusted with that much power. If you don't support dictators then you should support billionaires.

>>400754
And the billionaires are the fucking thieves. Cock suckers like Bill Gates and Jeff Bezos lobby for more poz, immigration, and outsourcing. They can eat shit.

>>400754
And we can and should put caps on wealth to prevent billionaires from happening again. This world doesn't need anymore Larry Finks.

You really are no different. Damn shame.

>>400759
No different from the parasites who were using their positions of power fuck over the rest of the population? Spare me you fucking cuck.

>>400760
Hey man, you're the one wanting to steal shit, not me. I don't care how much your target deserves it, it's still a crime.
Maybe instead of being low-T and debating on forums all the time, go actually do something? Be the Robin Hood you so desperately want to be, boy. It won't solve anything, but at least you'll play with some fun loot before you get arrested.

>>400762
Nigga this is a forum for politics and ponies. What are you doing here if you don't wanna talk politics?

>>400765
Yeah, I wanna talk politics. "Go touch grass" is a valid political argument, especially if the opposing argument is "I want to steal his shit".

>>400765
>What are you doing here
Ponies, of course.

>>400766
Boomer capitalism has failed. Let's all be real here.

>>400769
you mean boomers pulled out of capitalism

>>400726
Of course, all energies are different. The joule is abstraction. But, unlike finances, we have accurate, stable and predictable conversion rates. And since the humanity almost achieved peak of energy efficiency for both production and transportation the whole financial system can be based on energy instead of balance between coinage and commodity weight. At least for statistical needs.

>MAYBE DISCUSS POLICIES THAT GIVE POORS OPTIONS TO MAKE MONEY AND ALSO KEEP IT?
They can't. They are stupid or sick people, this is why they are poor. But they used less energy commodities and because of this they can be better customers for energy effective modern industry. The core idea of my program is to make 4 billion class with enough funds to maintain this industry (to be clear I mean current Chinese industry) and rebuild mid tier factories in Europe and America for richsest 50% of world population and global energy projects like thorium energy plants.

I can suggest plan for political party. "The Ostracism strategy". This strategy presumed wealth redistribution through Basic Inheritance. Not basic income, but inheritance. For example, USA currently have 30.5 trillion GDP, 170 trillion wealth, and 343 million population (2.5 people per hosehold average). If we forced 5% yearly wealth taxation for TOP 1% who owns 35% wealth this created flow of 3 trillion dollars or 10% GDP wealth redistribution:
- The possible basic income will be 8k dollars/yearly (20k per household, better than 20% poorest households currently)
- The possible basic inheritance for 25 years old will be 0.7 million dollars (1.4 per new family household, like property of 3.1% of richest households)

Unlike basic income basic inheritance means initial capital for rare clever ones among poor class and at least own home and saving deposit for others. This is direct bribe for most revolutionary class. Just vote for me, protect me, kill my enemies and I give you a lot of money. And damned landlords will pay for it. At same time 3 trillion dollars flow is pretty similar to dollar emission and spending during COVID-19 times, so expected inflation should be not higher, especially if this money will be used mostly to compensate mortgage and make deposits, which can be used to invest infrastructure projects. Also 50% of this basic inheritance will be pretty enough Initially and other 50% distributed as reward for white families with 3 children, for military service, or just to make army of Jewburner-9000 walking crematory robots.

But fundamental purpose of this strategy is deeper. The Ostracism in Ancient Athens is method of politic power limitation and colonization at same time. The TOP 1% used 2500 GJ in energy rich societies like USA with 250 GJ average, but just 500 GJ in energy poor societies like Armenia, Azerbaijan, Turkey, Indonesia. Usually rich have about 7-10% capital income yearly, the devastating 5% wealth taxation will force them to send capitals into offshores. If we forced major offices of bigtech and financial companions to move from one energy poor offshore to another, this will be similar to energy consumption limitation even for first year of reforms!

Since elite consumption industry and houses owned by rich cannot be transferred to offshores, this taxation forced rich to use energy for colonization, for development of offshores, instead of personal consumption. So, preferences for energy poor offshores and sanctions for energy rich offshores is necessary. You can tell that wealth taxation means capital loses for USA. And pretty high losses. But as major energy supplier USA can bring back these losses quite easily as LNG and oil infrastructure projects in energy poor offshores, like they already doing in European Union. The major goal is to separate wealth from energy consumption, to make wealth virtual, like stock markets. And to make energy poor countries richest to buy more mass produced goods.

When elite consumption will be limited, as well as elite industry, this will reduce energy prices and created superfluous energy, capital and workforce flow in USA for reindustrialisation. You have 15% Gross Savings, compared to 30% in Russia and 50% in China. You can raise this base for industry investments to 30% just because poor classes prefer savings than spendings and stupid enough to entrust their deposits to government. Nazi used this trick pretty well, as well as Stalin during 1930s Industrialisation.

The tricky way without rivers of blood is possible. But Jewish resistance will be extreme. You need party based on young revolutionary generation and alliance with spics, jeets and even chinks to make such kind of reforms. You can make alliance with spics and jeets through transition of bigtech and financial offices to their offshores. With chinks through agreement about energy and consumers for their industry.

>>400771
>wealth tax
I understand you did a lot of thinking, but it will not work. First of all, what exactly are you taxing? You want wealth to be "virtual", when the richest that you're explicitly targeting already do that. They hold assets that were transacted years ago and ideally has grown more valuable. Net worth has nothing to do with the number in the bank accounts for these people. That value only manifests when it's sold, and only then is there something taxable. Are you suggesting we tax money that doesn't exist yet? Might as well just print at that point.

I don't get your fixation on "energy consumption". So what if rich folk do their rich folk things? Are they committing crimes? That's the only reason to care about other people, particularly ones I'll never physically see in my life. You want them to waste less energy? Like you're one to talk, but also, considering you're advocating for energy projects anyway, just... make more? Money is never a problem for government if they are determined enough, just ask democrat-run cities, when they aren't laundering that tax money and becoming the rich folk you definitely are thinking of when you made such an argument.

You seem to also want to persuade (threaten) wealthy people to develop lesser places. Noble effort, go watch Empire of Dust.
Jests aside, are you insinuating we spread out and let the likes of Bill Gates and Larry Fink perform their vile jew magicks on other countries as an act of helping them develop and make use of their untapped resources (like they weren't already lol)? I guess it's a strategy, good luck to... Yemen... I hope they will grow up strong by our western machinations.

>>400773
>Are they committing crimes?
Yes they are. They are importing illegals (see amazon), turning healthcare into pill pushing schemes (see johnson and johnson), engaging in planned obsolescence (see jewgle), and manipulating markets (see black rock) These people are criminals and their gains come at the expense of the rest of society. I want to see them in prison sucking dick for a hit of crack for this shit.

>>400771
The wealth tax is best summed up as follows:
>oh goy oh goy oh goy oll uv deez petro-shekel taxez frum durr Jewnited Estates MUZT be hueg!!!
Reality: the (((elites))) pay less than 5% of all taxes due to the following:
Foreign investment bonds, shareholder stocks, corporate stocks, corporate stocks, corporate bonds, corporate tax breaks, shareholder (((codes))), (((corporate))) codes, international (((bonds))), (((green investments))), (((carbon tax offsets))).. among 5,000+ more means, methods, measures, codes, laws, and ways that the (((elites))) simply do not pay.

Your entire post fails to account for the ultimate kike stopgap: "when X can vote for Y (to improve their capital and GAINS from said capital), then Z has no chance but to suffer".

I suggest read the following books:
Prolonging the Agony: How the Anglo-American Establishment Deliberately Extended WW1 by Three-and-a-Half Years
Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, by Antony Sutton
After the Reich, by Giles MacDonogh
The Assassination of James Forrestal, by David Martin

After those, you might begin to understand how goyim are controlled by their worst halves.

>>400773
>First of all, what exactly are you taxing?
>Are you suggesting we tax money that doesn't exist yet?
You are clever! You are understand! To make jews cry we must tax the debts. The flow of added debts. Just like added value, but added debts.

>I don't get your fixation on "energy consumption". So what if rich folk do their rich folk things? Are they committing crimes?
They not only used too much energy, they generated financial flow to create ineffective factories, like a tumour on the industrial system:
Cheap private issuance --> enormous financial system --> rich bankers --> elite consumption --> financial flow into industry --> elite production industry
This is fucking visible. This production lines pretty similar to military–industrial complex. Small scale, neglible efficiency, enormous prime cost. They used ×15-20 times more energy and workforce, compared to basic production complex, but quality of elite houses, cars and rations no more than ×2-4 times better. Worse than this, they leeched most educated workforce by better salaries just to make useless yachts and personal design for cars.

>Money is never a problem for government if they are determined enough
What does a government need: forecasting and control. Goods must be produced, flows must be predictable. Sovereign government have control over central bank and used money issuance as urgent taxes, which much more tolerable for general population than unexpected direct taxes or compulsory loans like during World War 2. During 19th century governments seized monopoly over money issuance, but they still needs private banks as money multipliers. Better to have bank runs than revolt.

There is basic mathematical pattern in Fisher's equation:
Capital = debts + moneys + goods
Debts > moneys + goods

This elements is different parts of economy:
- Moneys represents population. We have salaries, we use moneys to buy goods.
- Goods represents industry. Energy and transport infrastructure, factories, buildings and lands.
- Debts represents banking. Bankers cheat the system through fractional-reserve banking to make ×6 debts compared to monetary base and have percent from each one.

The debts is a cheating, based purely on social psychology, but powerful mechanisms for government to concentrate capital. The Atlantic civilization created 19th century steamships and railroads mostly because of this cheating. Huge monetary base with gold-based currencies wasn't enough to maintain this level of investments, only money multiplier make possible to buy lands from aristocracy and reorganize land-based wealth into industrial capital without rivers of blood.

Monetary part of economy currently ruined. Real money is a thing. Real money can't be blocked. Currently you do not have money, your salary is a government debt. But since we have cryptocurrencies this is not a problem at all. Debts actually more flexible instrument than moneys and can be used instead of money to buy goods. Moreover, banking is the unnecessary middleman. We do not need banking at all to use debts.

So, there is possible to make system, when general population used debts instead of money without bankers.

>>400779
I can suggest banking system without middleman:
Capital = debts + goods
Debts = stock market × future-goods multiplier

Since society do not need money anymore, let's ruin this part completely and meld money to goods and debts:
1. Each corporation, factory or even farm can create own money with 100% reserve banking (based on current stocks/production and block-chain as reputation system). Like gold-based dollar, oil-based dollar, corn-based dollar, etc. Historically dollar is just banknote with 1/20 oz gold currency, so there is the same thing with same coverage. About 15-20% of GDP will be enough, like current monetary base.
2. Instead of monopoly over money issuance government can use phantom currency. Each Friday night all of private money lose specified share of their reserves (since the stocked goods will be sold to consumers next week). For the whole economy each week companies will create about 2% of new private moneys and old moneys lost 2% of their real coverage. This 2% of GDP is phantom currency, like the abstract international dollar, intended for foreign trade and to be converted into deposits. So 2% of money will be transformed to deposits each week and 0.3-0.5% redistributed to government spending. Then rest of phantom currency will be erased next Friday, the deals must be closed fast.
3. The rest of finances can be debts of federal reserve (like US Treasuries) or stock market, based on future-produced goods, since we already have instrument of private money emission. The GDP to wealth rate is about ×5, this multiplier can be used for stock market without the middleman like banks. Instead of bank reputation we can use reputation of industrial producers. The society, considering the relatively small revenue of federal deposits, can be forced to use stock market of private moneys, but this is not necessary, the stock market can be automatized.
4. Stock market, combined with automatic forecasting system, can be used like sovereign fund with 10% revenue (25% real and 75% redistribution). The government can utilize interferences in forecasting (even without any flaws in forecasting AI, just because of control over energy and transport flows) to concentrate private capital for major projects. This can be used instead of taxation. The term is targeted project emission.

The private stock-based currencies with 100% reserve banking is the solid foundation and the phantom currency is the major trick. Private moneys have lifespan of months, rarely years, just like real consumable goods; the phantom money is weekly balancer. Through this good-money-debt transitions government can extract the whole date about current economy, which makes possible extremely precious taxes: like general consumption tax with progressive scale, or debt-added tax, possible only when data about Gross Domestic Debt will be available like Gross Domestic Product. Actually the taxation is not necessary for 90% of population, they prefer savings than profit and just leave money in federal deposits, in other words to tax themselves completely willingly. At same time foreign trade can be controlled up to level of government monopoly, since phantom currency much more suitable for international transactions than national moneys.

This is modern variation of soviet two contour economical system, currently used for debt transactions between government corporations in Russia, China and other BRICS countries. The phantom currency is the new, but promising thing. The protection layer between national currencies. The phantom currencies extreme inflatable, flawed by design, but considering fast conversations to national currencies and shadow-economy possibilities no one cares about this. For example, lets make two shell companies. You can generate coffee-dollar, I can generate oil-based ruble. If you want to buy my private money as investment, I will point the amount and rate of production, the both governments will provide insurance for this deal (they have profit from value-added tax). The third side can't see anything, since the private money can be created without public share and officials only have standardized reports about production and phantom money transactions without data about current transportation mechanism. In reality there is long trees of transactions between various private moneys with limited lifespan to create various goods and close the debts, where phantom moneys only used for conversions between national currencies when it's necessary.

It works, even for shadow fleet insurance. And without any bankers as middleman.

That's some words. I think it's all logical and shit.
Me? I only advocate for overtime pay. That alone solves half of society's woes.

>>392472
I made research about wartime economy for current alliances and possible configurations in future world:
https://paste.debian.net/plain/1411810

There is markdown tables with population, primary energy flows, steel and cereals production, agricultural lands. In Russian military science information about population and steel production considering enough to compare countries, since all military related data can be estimated from this numbers. Country with 100Mt steel production can't achieve victory against 1000Mt industrial empire. Industrial output means more than any military or political efforts.

Currently world have a rift between G7 and BRICS countries:
- G7 -- 29% GDP, 774 million population, 164/141 EJ energy, 248Mt steel, 714Mt cereals, 243/1400M ha fields.
- G7+ -- 43% GDP, 1443 million population, 245/202 EJ energy, 418Mt steel, 1120Mt cereals, 418/1400M ha fields.
- BRICS -- 40% GDP, 3861 million population, 306/301 EJ energy, 1328Mt steel, 1515Mt cereals, 517/1400M ha fields.
- BRICS+ -- 48% GDP, 4558 million population, 348/359 EJ energy, 1419Mt steel, 1741Mt cereals, 658/1400M ha fields.
- G7 -- $76k and 182 GJ energy per capita, 320kg steel, 923kg cereals (2.9 ton with 3.2 man per hectare)
- G7+ -- $62k and 140 GJ energy per capita, 290kg steel, 776kg cereals (2.7 ton with 3.5 man per hectare)
- BRICS -- $21k and 78 GJ energy per capita, 344kg steel, 392kg cereals (2.9 ton with 7.5 man per hectare)
- BRICS+ -- $22k and 79 GJ energy per capita, 311kg steel, 382kg cereals (2.7 ton with 6.8 man per hectare)
This is basic alliances and alliances with all possible allies. Other 25% of world population are insignificant because of tiny energy flow and lack of industrial capacities.

Both alliances surprisingly balanced, even considering lack of energy supply for G7 countries (especially European Union) to maintain current needs. BRICS economy more energy-effective, because of Chinese modern industry with river-based transportation, surplus of workforce and relatively undemanding population, but possible energy flow for wartime investments not that high. With 50 GJ per capita to maintain life standards BRICS+ can allocate 25 GJ per capita or 115 EJ overall, compared to 75 GJ per capita or 110 EJ for G7+ countries.

Currently Russia spends about 5 EJ for wartime economy, which allowed to allocate 5 million personal (3.5M Industrial and 1.5M military) and produce 36M standard shells annually. This means 20k artillery shells daily, 60 Su-34 bomber strike sorties, 40 army aviation sorties, 10 cruise and ballistic missiles, 300 shaheds, 16k FPV-drones (10% fiber optic type). For possible war against NATO in Europe we expected 15 EJ flow and ×3 allocated forces. In the case of tactical nuclear strikes, you can assume 1 strike of 15-50kt bomb as 2.4k standard shells, equal to 8 Iskander missiles with cluster warheads. Nuclear weapon not so effective against modern armies, there is no vulnerable concentrations. For possible conflict in South-East Asia we expected flow of 30 EJ. Which means 10-15 million military personal, 20-40M industrial workforce, 220M standard shells annually. About 120k artillery shells daily, 360 strike sorties, 240 army aviation sorties, 60 cruise and ballistic missiles, 2000 shaheds, 100k FPV-drones (30% fiber optic type). About 15k losses daily (7k wounded, 5k crippled, 3k killed).

This is maximized picture of World War 3. Overall 60/115 EJ flow for 2 major conflicts and about 6 minor conflicts around (Turkey, Israel and Persian Gulf, North Africa, Middle Asia, South Africa, South America). Reserve of 55/115 EJ will be needed to rebuild and reinforce industry under constant drone barrage and possible nuclear strikes against major industrial centers, but without scale of total nuclear war. But since nothing even happened real war between G7 and BRICS will be series of slow and boring conflicts for 10-30 following years. Mostly conventional, maybe even with limitations for FPV-drones and long-range drone barrage.

>>392472
>>401111
Multi-polar world will crumble in next two decades, when rifts will grow into ravines. The most possible future of our world is pan-regions, the reborn empires, which will be hostile to each other. Modern technologies allow full localization of current world industry inside 500-1000 million core of urbanized population with energy flow about 150 exajoules (EJ), 300Mt steel and 300Mt food. This reindustrialization will need about 20-30 years and 20-40 EJ energy surplus over consumption. Considering current flow of 650 EJ and 1300 EJ in 2050s there is possibility for 3 strong alliances in future world.

Best possible strategy for USA is Latino-America:
- AUKUS+ -- 1134 million population, 156/182 EJ energy, 156Mt steel, 939Mt cereals, 389/1400 ha fields.
- AUKUS+ -- 161 GJ energy per capita, 138kg steel, 698kg cereals (2.4 ton with 2.9 man per hectare)
In this scenario spics from republican party control USA. Both Americas united in trade union to kick out Chinese influence. Surplus of energy used for wartime economy. AUKUS replaced NATO to maintain prolonged war against China in South-East Asia.

Most vulnerable part of G7 is European Union:
- EU and Norway -- 454 million population, 60/28 EJ energy, 127Mt steel, 317 Mt cereals, 100/1400M ha fields.
- EU and Norway -- 62 GJ energy per capita, 280kg steel, 698kg cereals (3.2 ton with 4.5 man per hectare)
There is no possible future for confederation with energy consumption two times bigger than production. In AUKUS+ scenario Europe collapsed to 50% of current GDP, when all energy, currently delivered to Europe, will be used for war economy.

Before the war we made a lot of efforts to build Euro-Russia confederation:
- Euro-Russia -- 749 million population, 108/99 EJ energy, 214Mt steel, 572Mt cereals, 274/1400M ha fields.
- Euro-Russia -- 132 GJ energy per capita, 286kg steel, 764kg cereals (2.1 ton with 2.7 man per hectare)
This variant still possible to save Europe, but Russia change attention to make alliance with southern anti-China countries.

Currently Russia focus diplomatic efforts to southern strategy:
- India-Russia -- 2393 million population, 150/140 EJ energy, 463Mt steel, 924Mt cereals, 430/1400 ha fields.
- India-Russia -- 59 GJ energy per capita, 194kg steel, 386kg cereals (2.2 ton with 5.6 man per hectare)
This alliance also includes Japan, North and South Korea, Vietnam, Iran. All nations who do not want to be seized by China or USA. But lack of energy supply makes industrialization impossible if China doesn't collapsed during war.

Confederation of Islamic nations also possible with same objective:
- Islamic world -- 1171 million population, 80/148 EJ energy, 136Mt steel, 285Mt cereals, 178/1400 ha fields.
- Islamic world -- 126 GJ energy per capita, 116kg steel, 243kg cereals (1.6 ton with 6.6 man per hectare)
They must be friendly with USA, Europe or Russia just because of food security, otherwise their efforts will failed. Except only tricky opportunity, if they manages to provoke global nuclear war, the next century will be century of Islamic world.

Finally, major candidate for world domination:
- Chinese empire -- 3220 million population, 336/349 EJ energy, 1376Mt steel, 1334Mt cereals, 463/1400M ha fields.
- Chinese empire -- 108 GJ energy per capita, 427kg steel, 414kg cereals (2.9 ton with 7 man per hectare)
This world possible if China occupy South-East Asia (Taiwan, Japan, Korea, Indonesia) and seize full control over energy flows from Persian Gulf and Russia. India totally fucked, Europe unimaginable fucked, Russia and Iran losing their industry and Latino-America closed inside their pan-region.

>>392472
>>401112
The two major forces will be China, if they achieved at least some control over maritime routes, and Latino-American United States. Spics currently major force in US politics and when they seized full power, they immediately make confederation with South American states to kick out Chinese influence from region. In 2050s both sides should reach 6th technical formation with full-automatic factories, which will make all other industrial countries uncompetitive. If each small factory in 100k city can produce most of industrial goods in hours after order, then long industry chains can't compare just because of transportation cost. Sea trade will decline.

In the world of pan-regions there is no good future for both Europe and Russia, even if confederation still possible. Europe currently under occupation, and even if zogdogs will be kicked out, national governments do not have energy surplus to start reindustrialization. Russia don't have enough population and forced to maintain excessive army. Finally, both sides have endless confrontations with muslims. Even if this issues will be resolved in next two decades, Euro-Russia Confederation will reach 2050s two times weaker than Chinese Empire and Latino-American United States. And still without 6th formation industry.

But if alliance between Muslims and Christians is possible:
- Euro-Islamic world -- 1920 million population, 188/247 EJ energy, 350Mt steel, 857Mt cereals, 452/1400 ha fields.
- Euro-Islamic world -- 129 GJ energy per capita, 182kg steel, 446kg cereals (1.9 ton with 4.3 man per hectare)

This is the best configuration for all three sides. For Russia, because of safety guarantees from west and south. For Europe, because of biggest possible energy flow and big market for reindustrialization. For Middle East, because of technology investments, food security and control over all major trade routes. Just imagine confederation from Spain to Indonesia, the third pan-region, that is capable to build biggest trade fleet in the world and stand against China and America both economically and military.

Unimaginable? I know. Our pride and vanity will crush us all. We utterly need new Messiah, to make this glimpse of better world possible.

>>401113
What do you think this new messiah will look like?

>>401116
i don't think it matters how the dude looks like, he is very late.
i don't even care what religion or region he comes from,
we really do need someone to fix this shitole of a planet ASAP.

sorry if i'm interrupting but i really need a miracle and i'm tired of waiting.

>>401119
What I meant is what kind of ideas will he bring to the table.

>>401126
oh oops...i guess i was just projecting.
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i am 100% sure these motherfuckers already invented better and cleaner energy fuel for replacing the oil or even nuclear fuels.
but the oil mafia companies and world-wide organizations won't allow them to publicize it, it was a dirty job from a beginning and there is so soooo much money going around here.
also people don't realize how much power these black gold diggers have and i don't think it is a regional thing anymore.
they'll assassinate whoever that tries to act like a Messiah in these situation.
>>401113
do you ever realize why countries with oils other than some few exceptions like arabic countries always end up being poor?
colonizing has not stopped yet, they will start coups,wars,conflicts to always keeps these countries under the pressure to never stand on their own, because countries with such national resources would become super rich and super powerful in a spam of time.

anyway sorry if all of these that i said here are nonsense or i am just retardedly writing obvious unrelated shit for no reason