/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

>>184952
first for taliban pride world wide

2nd for dead kikes.

fresh OC

>outer pol is being invaded by literally JIDF cope patrol
wew, guess the pali must have hit them good

>>184978
?
>>184975
lel

>>184979
4chan is being flooded with pro israel threads

>>184980
lmao

>>184980
You think?

Xth for Shitmaps

>>184986
what are you implying?

I dont know if this place cross threads
>>184831 → Alabama>Texas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Arkansas

>>184622 →
fucking kek, nice one Pingu

>>185056
Ehehehehehhehehehehehehe, that ANA pocket is being squeezed in.

>>185127
kek

Ahh.... the moderate revolution...

>>185165
consider the following, when you're between such two groups (SAA, ISIS) you're de facto moderate
>b-b-but muh islamist
the Overton window is different in ME

>>185166
Indeed Doc, wonder if they will name themselves as secular too. ;^)

>>185168
only if there are people willing to pay for it
even amongst pseudo jihadis, the rules of politics apply

>Taliban routs commando company in one of Afghanistan’s most secure rural districts
Last week, the Taliban launched an assault on the district of Jaghuri in the embattled eastern Afghan province of Ghazni. Reports in the Afghan press downplayed the severity of happenings in Jaghuri, which is considered to be the most secure rural district in all the country due to the demographics and geography.

However, reporters from The New York Times who were on the scene saw something much different and far more terrifying than what was reported in the Afghan press: an Afghan Special Forces commando company that was sent to bolster defenses was routed, while security forces and government officials were attempting to flee the scene as Taliban forces advanced.

As The New York Times noted, Jaghuri, which is considered to be “Afghanistan’s Shangri-La,” has until now been immune from the Taliban’s insurgency, despite that fact that it is located in Ghazni province, which has been a hotbed of Taliban activity. Jaghuri’s population of 600,000 is predominantly Hazara and are opposed to the Taliban. The Taliban has isolated the remote district by cutting off roads, but refrained from attacking it.

Until now.

Last week, Taliban fighters (more than 1,000 of them, according to the Times) pressed their attack into Jaghuri while also assaulting other districts in Ghazni. Reports from Ghazni, such as this one from Khaama Press on Nov. 7, parroted the official Afghan government line that the Taliban was “pushed” from the district as military reinforcements arrived. TOLONews echoed this sentiment on Nov. 7, when it quoted Interior ministry spokesman Najib Danish.

“Enough equipment has arrived via air to our forces and backup forces have been deployed there. The situation is under our control, but clashes are still ongoing,” said Danish told the news agency.

Yet, as the Times reported, by Nov. 11, the situation in Jaghuri was in disarray. Security forces have all but collapsed. An Afghan Army Special Forces commando company which was sent to Jaghuri to help shore up the local militia that secured the district, was rendered combat ineffective. Of the 50 members of the Special Forces commando company, 30 were killed and 10 more were wounded.

The commander of the Hazara militia was killed and three of his sons are missing. Local Afghan officials pleaded with a delegation from Kabul to send reinforcements, but none came, despite promises. An official from the Ministry of the Interior downplayed the deaths of the commandos, and claimed they were local militiamen, despite the fact that the bodies of the soldiers being stacked in front of him were wearing commando uniforms.

As of Nov. 11, Afghan officials and all those who could leave the district were attempting to do so. The Taliban are said to be just miles from the district center, where the remaining security forces and militia are holed up.
>Afghan forces seemingly on the brink of collapse

The Taliban’s rout of the commandos and collapse of Afghan forces in Jaghuri, and the government’s inability to send reinforcements, should come as no surprise. The Afghan military and police forces have been unable to defend Afghanistan’s rural areas and have been overrun at a host of bases, outposts, and checkpoints throughout the country over the past several years. The Taliban overran four significant bases in the first six days of this month. Since the beginning of this year, the Taliban has routed a commando company in Ajristan district Ghazni, and inflicted heavy casualties on Afghan Special Forces in Farah.

To remedy the problem, the US military and Resolute Support – NATO’s command in Afghanistan – advised Afghanistan’s ministries of defense and interior to pull back from rural areas and defend more populous areas. In theory, this should have preserved Afghan forces and defended the bulk of Afghanistan’s population from the predations of the Taliban. In practice, it has resulted in a degraded security situation and has put the Taliban in an even better position to threaten and attack Afghanistan’s population centers.

While US and Afghan military officials have claimed that Afghanistan’s remote areas are strategically insignificant, the Taliban has used its mastery of them as a springboard to take the fight to more populated areas. In these remote districts, the Taliban has established its shadow government, which it uses to spread its ideology and further its military aims. Here, the Taliban taxes the local populations, recruits fighters, establishes training camps and military stockpiles, while using these areas as staging points to attack neighboring districts. In the south, the Taliban controls and hotly contests a band of districts, panning from Ghazni and Zabul in the east all the way into Helmand, Nimruz, and Farah in the west that it uses to take the fight to the Afghan government. Over the past six months, this safe haven was used to launch major incursions into Ghazni and Farah cities.

The Afghan military has been unable to halt the Taliban’s slow but inexorable attacks that have taken place in all regions of the country. The size of the Afghan military has decreased at a time when more, and not less, soldiers and policemen are needed to stave off the Taliban assault. Over the past year, the size of the Afghan security forces has decreased by almost 9,000 personnel due to casualties, desertions, and failure to reenlist.

The Taliban clearly has the initiative and Afghan forces are on the defensive in many areas in Afghanistan. It is unclear how long the Afghan security forces can suffer losses such as the one in Jaghuri. Casualties are at an all time high, and the cumulative effect on morale of Afghan forces cannot easily be measured since elite forces and military and police bases are overrun with shocking regularity, at this point on a near daily basis.

>>185235
Source: https://www.longwarjournal.org/archives/2018/11/taliban-routs-commando-company-in-one-of-afghanistans-most-secure-rural-districts.php

>Russia, Jordan and Egyptian Delegation Blame Israel For Gaza Violence
DAMASCUS, SYRIA (11:30 P.M)- Russia has joined in on condemning Israel for Gaza violence, following a covert Israeli assassination mission.

Russia, Jordan and an Egyptian Delegation, have all declared that Israel is responsible for the violence in Gaza. The Russian condemnation comes after an Egyptian delegation to Gaza, set up with the purpose of creating a ceasefire, place the blame on Israel for starting the violence.

More than 10 Palestinians are dead, as a result of Israeli airstrikes and violent attacks. 50 Israelis have allegedly been injured, by Hamas rocket fire, although the large majority of the injuries are panic attacks.

It is claimed by the Israeli Military, that 80 targeted strikes have been launched against Gaza. Hamas claim that over 300 rockets have been fired into Israeli held territory.

Israel bombed the ‘Al-Aqsa TV’ Palestinian media building, in Gaza, also recently striking and destroying the Al-Amal Hotel (Gaza City).

Updated statistics on the dead are not yet available, although the Palestinian Ministry of Health puts the number at 10, within around 24 hrs.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russia-jordan-and-egyptian-delegation-blame-israel-for-gaza-violence/

>>184952
Thanks for baking, m8

Which one of you guys made this?
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVjGgjQSdEo [Embed]

>>185460
I have been a bit out of the loop, when did Ivan get back Pingu?

>>185461
few days ago, people him a fake though
https://twitter.com/syria_true/status/1061193521846198273 [Embed]

>>185462
calling*

>Assad regime and its militias are sending reinforcements towards Tall Rifat and Minag airport.
https://twitter.com/op_shield/status/1062281253855072256 [Embed]

Video in link

>S. #Syria: battery of 4th Division launchers shelling #ISIS-held #Safa Volcanic Field w/ improvised "Golan" rockets (IRAM).
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1062329219924013056 [Embed]

Video in link

>>185462
kek, calling him a spy for sharing the same pics the Selfie Arab Army publicly share.

>>185462
why did he leave to begin with?

>>185481
Someone he was trying to buy game skins from got his Twitter password and tried to blackmail him into sending nude pics in exchange for giving Ivan his Twitter account back. Not kidding.

>>185505
kek

>>185507
>Someone he was trying to buy game skins from got his Twitter password and tried to blackmail him into sending nude pics in exchange for giving Ivan his Twitter account back. Not kidding.
where to begin
>game skins
how old is he again? 14?
>he had to take a hiatus instead of just moving on to another account
is he retarded?
also
sauce me on that since i struggle to believe it

>>185512
I never saw a sauce on it, but the info came from snus, so I would say it was reliable. if you ask him he can probably fill you in, Maghrebois also said the same shit, for what it's worth

>>185514
archive links?

>>185516
I will try to find some

>>185521
thanks

Well, this is going to leave a mark...
>https://www.reddit.com/r/YemeniCrisis/comments/9wpj0z/houthis_ambush_prosaudi_forces_with_ied_near_kilo/

>>185527
>>185526
thanks fam

>>185524
>>185526
I remember somebody doxxed him(his name and info) in /sg/ but can't find those posts in archive

>>185530
talk about being blown the fuck out

>>185533
any news since the sanctions?
is there discontent or people just can't be bothered to give a fuck about america anymore?

>>185535
Nothing has changed for people.
Before nuclear deal rouhani promised many things but after reaching nuclear deal and repeal of sanctions nothing changed for people and economy.
Looks like sanctions have no effect on our shitty and broken economy.

>>185539
i see
thanks for the insights

>>185532
np Doc

>>185572
busy days at work?

>>185540
You can't sanction people who doesn't deal with your economy.

>>185539
>>185540
It would have taken a while for Iran to integrate into the world economy again, so of course there would be little improvement. It also was always unlikely that over seas investment would have come to the rescue anyhow. To hot a spot considering the region. The reimposing of sanctions will likely do little to actually make things worse.

https://twitter.com/Zabihullah_4/status/1062210884473368576 [Embed]
>#AlKhandaq CP overrun in Patang area of Sayedabad #Wardak last night, 7 gunmen killed (corpses left behind) as rest managed to flee. Another CP overrun in Kalachi area of Jalrez district, enemy fled after losses. Sizable amount weapons/equipment seized by Mujahidin in ops.

https://twitter.com/Zabihullah_4/status/1062209095246188545 [Embed]
>#AlKhandaq Outpost in Shah Hassan Khelo area of Shahjoi #Zabul attacked, dozens gunmen killed/wounded (9 corpses left behind), weapons seized by Mujahidin - Ahmadi

https://twitter.com/Zabihullah_4/status/1062210224046723072 [Embed]
>#AlKhandaq CP overrun in Khakrez district #Kandahar, 10 hireling police killed (corpses left behind), pickup truck/14 unit weaponry/NVG/generator/equipment seized - Ahmadi

Laughing in Pashto heard all across Afghanistan

Btw, I did several changes.
On the Shitmap, I changed some of the frontlines to be more in line with the Districtmap for the sake of consistency (Look at Ghazni!)
On the Districtmap, I made districts with the provincial capital off-coloured.

>>185619
Fixed Helmand/Kandahar

>>185577
aye, busy season combined with picking up another department I am now responsible for. One positive is it helped me cut back on smoking.

https://twitter.com/Zabihullah_4/status/1062566325321646080 [Embed]
>#AlKhandaq Newly built DHQ, police HQ & CPs in Gerni, Ganjabad & Shewan areas of Bala Baluk district #Farah attacked last night. Ahmad Shah Khan CP overrun during operation, 6 enemy corpses left behind, 4 personnel detained & 11 unit weaponry seized - Ahmadi

https://twitter.com/Zabihullah_4/status/1062568958371475457 [Embed]
># Al-Khandq: A key post was concluded in the fifth district center and Zartar area in the Nawabad area of Ghazni province last night. 14 soldiers and police were killed, seven others wounded. Many weapons and ammunitions flee to Mujahidin. 3 Mujahidin were also injured in clashes.

Naw Abad is directly north of Ghazni City. The Taliban are moving on Ghazni City

>>185634
I see.
>>185708
I think you should keep the area b/w malistan and jaghatu red, the ANA is preparing another offensive to take it back
https://twitter.com/RisboLensky/status/1062455307484491776 [Embed]
https://www.khaama.com/army-chief-arrives-in-malistan-as-armed-forces-prepare-for-a-large-scale-offensive-02733/

>>185712
>ANA chief in Malistan
Means ANA is already in Malistan.
>I think you should keep the area b/w malistan and jaghatu red
I dunno, it would look like a big long bulge from Jaghuri to Malistan; or even worse, an ugly bulge area that bottlenecks between Jaghuri and Moqor(Muqur).
Take note that Khaz Uruzgan is contested, so it's simpler to shift around the frontlines in east Uruzgan province, and then have it like the ANA is attacking from east Uruzgan.
My personal rule is "Go the simplest way for maps and minimize border gore". Fair?

Unless you have proof that the ANA are present in the area between Malistan and Jaghuri.

>>185764
>Unless you have proof that the ANA are present in the area between Malistan and Jaghuri.
Malistan and Jaghatu*
shite, I'm all over the place.

Taliban are in Farah city.
>#Taliban at the entrance of #Farah city. With Govt. focused on #Ghazni province, this place is again on the verge to fall in #IEA hands...the only thing which represents the real obstacle for insurgents is nearby #NATO base
https://twitter.com/RisboLensky/status/1062755785942462465 [Embed]

>#Farah : Sh●ts from Fresh Video from Bagh e Pul Area of #Farah City under #Taliban Control
https://twitter.com/DRKNURPAKT1/status/1062658763147145216 [Embed]
https://twitter.com/DRKNURPAKT1/status/1062659965540884480 [Embed]

>Baghpul bazar, a strategic location 2 km west of #Farah city have fallen to Taliban control.
https://twitter.com/Pashtunist/status/1062787031598841856 [Embed]

Video: https://youtu.be/OK7bSWCuSDs [Embed]

>>185777
https://twitter.com/Zabihullah_4/status/996389127837888513 [Embed]
didn't they try (and fail) a few months ago to capture it?

>>185778
Aye, back in May. And they have been slowly creeping up the city again. Bear in mind though the Americans have deployed soldiers there after the recent attempt to take over the city. Officially they are there to train Afghan forces and will not take part in combat.
https://www.presstv.com/Detail/2018/08/06/570345/Afghanistan--US-Special-Forces

>>185782
so how's the situation in farah? no opposition to taliban?

>>185784
Clashes going on almost every day.
1. https://twitter.com/DRKNURPAKT1/status/1062388014435885062 [Embed]
2. https://twitter.com/DRKNURPAKT1/status/1062415579867475968 [Embed]
3. https://twitter.com/aip_news/status/1062675669685948417 [Embed]

>>185787
any nato action so far?(asking since it's what defeated them before in farah)

>>185789
Personally I haven seen or read any report about that but they will be responding soon enough.

>>185791
they sure don't seem in a hurry
is this a sign that the NATO leadership already giving up on doing anything?

>>185777
Checked. It seems the Taliban are faster than the ANA.
ANA focuses on one place, Taliban attacks another place, then ANA arrives to defend that place, the Taliban attack yet another place.
Just like Vietcong against the South Vietnamese Army.
>>185787
Pingu, you member when we talked about the Taliban's endgame - taking the countryside while the ANA retreats to the populated areas, then the Taliban raid/besiege the populated areas and begin taking over one by one?
Do you think the Taliban have already or are entering this endgame? I mean, look at the Districtmap - 7 districts containing the provincial capital are contested by the Taliban with them contesting two capital cities (Farah and Ghazni) this year alone, and actively closing in on Maymana, Tarinkot, Pul-i-Alam with minimal NATO involvement afaik.
>>185792
IIRC, NATO has advised the ANA to retreat to the populated areas and let the rural areas fall to the Taliban since the ANA is being overstretched.
Of course, this plays right into the Taliban's hands since their short-term goal is to seize the countryside and then use the countryside to launch attacks on the populated areas after cutting them off from each other.

>>185797
>IIRC, NATO has advised the ANA to retreat to the populated areas and let the rural areas fall to the Taliban since the ANA is being overstretched.
in a majority rural country where most of the income is from agriculture and subsistence farming, the afghan government is set to lose (or be heavily reliant on mutt gibsmedats which will make them more easily influenced by said mutts)

>>185798
Never said they were smart. ANA is screwed no matter what they do:
>If they take the fight into the rural areas, they overstretch and the Taliban can surround/rout them and the cities fall faster
>If they don't take the fight into the rural areas, Taliban takes the rural areas, delivering a crippling economic blow to the gov't leading to increasing desertion, and lay siege to the cities.
Btw, I remember some reports about ANA deserting/defecting due to low to zero pay and low willingness to fight for the gov't due to them being a lost cause.

>>185801
ANA defectors going full rampage on unsuspecting NATO troops is a common occurrence and a taboo subject
ask any of your vet

>Salvini is bas-
the absolute state of european (((nationalists)))

>>185803
To save non-Italian reading Anons the trouble, here's the direct translation from Google Translate:
Migrants, Salvini welcomes 51 arrived with a humanitarian corridor from Niger: "These children will become Italians"

>>185803
>>185804
F (for Italy)

>>185806
more like S

>>185776
I did the snus for awhile but I started using it more than cigarettes

>#AlKhandaq Key CP overrun in Lashmak area of #Ghazni capital last night, 11 police killed (5 corpses left behind), 9 wounded & sizable amount weapons/equipment seized by Mujahdin. Enemy sustained more losses in attack on CP in Zergaro area.
https://twitter.com/Zabihullah_4/status/1062950107346362368 [Embed]

Moving on the provincial capital again!

>>185792
Well the current coalition commander has admitted that the war cannot be won militarily so take from that what you will.
>>185797
>Pingu, you member when we talked about the Taliban's endgame - taking the countryside while the ANA retreats to the populated areas, then the Taliban raid/besiege the populated areas and begin taking over one by one?
Aye the do seem to be nearer to their desired outcome. Like you said next year is going to be really crazy. Also

>Regarding situation in #Ghazni-a lots of conflicting reports. Malistan district is under #ANDSF / militia control after #Taliban briefly seized it, but Govt. officials escaped. Clashes ongoing not very far. Air strikes, fighting, dozens of dead and wounded, thousands displaced
https://twitter.com/RisboLensky/status/1062784969444089856 [Embed]

>Farah : U.S Troops have Reached FOB Farah after Deadly #Taliban Attacks on Security Forces in Past week which Hundreds of them were kiled.
Latest Major Attack killed 67 in Two Districts , Small attacks too not stopped in Main City .
https://twitter.com/DRKNURPAKT1/status/1063010565919068160 [Embed]

>Breaking: Intense clashes erupt along Idlib-Hama axis
BEIRUT, LEBANON (6:00 P.M.) – A series of intense clashes broke out this afternoon between the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) and jihadist rebels in the southern countryside of the Idlib Governorate.

The clashes broke out when scouts from the pro-government National Defense Forces (NDF) caught several militants trying to move towards the Syrian Army’s lines near the town of Al-Taman’ah.

According to a military source in nearby Hama city, the Syrian Arab Army unleashed a barrage of machine gunfire and artillery shells towards the militants.

The jihadist rebels responded with heavy gunfire of their own before they backed away from the Syrian Arab Army’s lines in the southern countryside of Idlib.

This latest exchange resulted comes just hours after the Syrian Arab Army and Free Syrian Army (FSA) clashed in the northern part of Hama.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-intense-clashes-erupt-along-idlib-hama-axis/

>Houthis denies any ceasefire in Hodeidah, battle continues
BEIRUT, LEBANON (6:20 P.M.) – The Houthis Movement has denied the reports that claimed the Saudi Coalition and their allies have halted the battle in Hodeidah.

According to the official media wing of the Houthis, the Saudi Coalition and their allies have not halted their heavy bombardment of Hodeidah, despite announcing that a ceasefire was established between both sides.

The Saudi Coalition has reportedly launched several airstrikes over Hodeidah this afternoon, targeting a number of sites controlled by the Houthis.

While no ground advances have been made, the Houthis have reported that they are remaining on high alert in Hodeidah.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/houthis-denies-any-ceasefire-in-hodeidah-battle-continues/

>>185981
>All News Confirmed . Local Farah Official admitted Death of around 60 ANP/ALP killed by #Taliban Last Night in Khak e Safed & Farah Rood District . Zabihullah Mujahid Confirmed Missing 90 ALP Soldiers Joined Taliban
https://twitter.com/DRKNURPAKT1/status/1063010013814362112 [Embed]

W E W

>>186005
>#Kabul govt lose another battalion in #Farah province, Taliban attacked last night the battalion with the help of 6 infiltrators and killed 30 #ANDSF.

The battalion was placed in Farah Rod district, Taliban seized all weapons and equipments and overrun the base completely.
https://twitter.com/Zulmai_Afghan/status/1062995217090072577 [Embed]

>#ANP officers message:

Never trust govt officials and they will never send you reinforcement, surrender to #Taliban, we are here like guests.

Taliban released and handed over wounded officers to @ICRC_af in #Farah province.
https://twitter.com/Zulmai_Afghan/status/1062999372621848577 [Embed]

>I tried to locate approximate points of recent #Taliban offensive in #Farah province. Qala i Kah (west of Farah), Pusht Rod (N), Khaki Safed (NE), Bala Buluk (E) all on the verge of collapse #Afghanistan
https://twitter.com/RisboLensky/status/1063134910209318913 [Embed]

ON
THE
VERGE

Real talk: The Taliban have seriously intensified their operations recently. Do you think they're taking advantage of weaknesses in the gov't, or is it just wrapping things up before the winter sets in?

https://twitter.com/TheHawksOps/status/1062935469732847618 [Embed]
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsBOK_WWwAAHb8V.jpg

Not gonna lie, this is actually impressive.

>>186011
> Do you think they're taking advantage of weaknesses in the gov't
ofcourse they are
>wrapping things up before the winter sets in?
I really cant say they got the government on the backfoot if they stop now they will give the ANA and coalition forces some breathing room(that is not to say that fighting completely stops in winter but the tempo is not the same as the spring and summer seasons). I expect them to keep attacking atleast in the southern regions.

>>186027
I see. Thanks for the insights Pingu.

>>186029
>>186029
np
also confirm one thing for me the encircled in red is location of Baghpul as reported here
https://twitter.com/Pashtunist/status/1062787031598841856 [Embed]
yes?

R&U video
>Syrian Army using "Golan-1000" missile systems against ISIS in al Safa region
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b09IXl3Ncq0 [Embed]

>Syrian Army pounds rebel defenses in northern Hama
BEIRUT, LEBANON (8:30 P.M.) – The Syrian Arab Army (SAA) has launched another attack in the northern countryside of Hama, today, after relatively quiet afternoon at this front.

Using surface-to-surface missiles and artillery shells, the Syrian Army struck Jaysh Al-‘Izza’s positions near their headquarters in the key town of Al-Lataminah.

The Syrian Arab Army reportedly targeted the vast network of trenches that were dug by Jaysh Al-‘Izza along the Idlib-Hama axis.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/syrian-army-pounds-rebel-defenses-in-northern-hama/

>Kurdish-led SDF chasing Baghdadi in Euphrates River Valley
The Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) are fighting Daesh leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’s followers and family members in Hajin, an eastern Syrian town about 50 km west of the Iraqi border, a Sun correspondent embedded with the militia has reported.

“In other battles, the jihadists had other places to run to, but in Hajin they have nowhere to go,” SDF commander Havel Ronnie Walat told the outlet. “Here it is only the true believers left and they will fight to the death,” he said.

Earlier, Moscow accused the US-led coalition of resuming airstrikes in the area using white phosphorus bombs, and said the attacks were causing casualties among civilians trapped in the area. On Wednesday, Syrian media reported that the coalition used cluster bombs in Hajin and the nearby town of al-Sha’afa, leading to multiple civilian deaths. The coalition has repeatedly denied using cluster and white phosphorus munitions in populated areas in eastern Syria.

Commenting on rumors that al-Baghdadi may be hiding out in the Hajin, Walat revealed that the terrorist head honcho’s brother “was in the area recently (and) he was holding a meeting encouraging people to fight. Also, about a month and a half ago, we got intelligence that we killed (one of) Baghdadi’s sons,” the commander said.

The SDF commander said that “significant numbers” of foreign fighters remain trapped in the area, including fighters of Afghani, British, Chechen, unidentified European, Iraqi and Saudi origin. He added that the fight against the terrorists for the area has turned into a crawl, with Daesh using vehicles in suicide bombings, building tunnels and placing improvised explosive devices everywhere.

“[Daesh] have had over five years to prepare,” Walat said. “It’s very slow work [and] we are having to take [territory] house by house, metre by metre.”

“We will begin the offensive against Hajin soon…but I don’t think this battle will be done quickly. This is not a war that can be won quickly,” Walat emphasized.

Over the course of the war against Daesh in Syria and Iraq, al-Baghdadi repeatedly evaded assassination attempts by the Russian, US and Iranian militaries.

In September, Iraqi media reported that al-Baghdadi narrowly escaped death after showing up late to a meeting of terrorist commanders. The terrorist issued his latest address to followers in August, urging them to continue the jihad and to “burn” the infidels.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/kurdish-led-sdf-chasing-baghdadi-in-euphrates-river-valley/

>>186011
> The Taliban have seriously intensified their operations recently
yeah, what a weird coincidence

>>186078
lel
also use pic for next bread if you bake next

>>186080
i'll try
btw what languages do you speak?

>>186081
thanks
>what languages do you speak?
urdu(Punjabi is very similar to it so I can understand most of it too) and english
why?

>>186087
wanted to know if you could understand any of the common afghan languages
how close urdu is to pashto? and to farsi/dari?

>>186089
All three have some similar words but differences are quite large to fully understand.

>>186096
i see
thanks for the insights

>>186098
np

>>186100
look what i found
funny

>>186102
aye bolandis came here during ww2 helped us alot after the Independence

>>186037
Apparently, they're right in Farah
https://twitter.com/RisboLensky/status/1062960803391963136 [Embed]
>Current #Taliban positions in #Farah city. Bagh e Pul and Bagh e Now neighborhoods/villages on the western outskirts are under their control #Afghanistan

I dunno, seems like it's either two places with nearly the same name which would tie in with his distance of 2km or there's been a fuckup somewhere.
However, I think that is the place as reported in your link.

>>186104
>However, I think that is the place as reported in your link.
the one you encircled or I did?

>>186109
lel

>>186107
The one you encircled. The one I encircled is roughly the one reported in the link I posted.

>>186111
I see thanks.

>>186114
np Pingu.

>>186111
>>186109
Also this is a questions for both of you what you think is the future of the US? I mean should exist in a powerful state to balance the Russians and Chinese or should it be cease to exist and be divided into different states?

>>186125
i'll answer tomorrow
sleepy time for me

>>186128
alright mate good night

>Saudi Coalition within 5km of Hodeidah Port
BEIRUT, LEBANON (11:10 P.M.) – The Saudi Coalition and their allies have captured a large chunk of southern Hodeidah over the last two weeks, putting them within striking distance of the port for the first time since they lost the provincial capital.

Led by the UAE-backed Southern Resistance Army and Yemeni Republican Guard, the pro-government forces scored a big advance inside Hodeidah city after they managed to overrun the Houthi troops near the municipal hospital.

Once the municipal hospital was under their control, the pro-government troops set their sights on the strategic Hodeidah Port, which is heavily fortified by the Houthi forces and their allies at the northwestern part of this western Yemen city.

According to the latest map from the Islamic World News, the Saudi Coalition and their allies are now withing 5km of Hodeidah Port.

Should the Houthi forces lose this site, they will no longer have a major Red Sea port under their control; this would leave them under a land, air, and sea siege.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/saudi-coalition-within-5km-of-hodeidah-port-map/

>Militants and moderates still not separated in Idlib: Russia
The separation of radical militants from moderate opposition groups in the demilitarized zone in Syria’s Idlib region has not yet been successfully achieved, Russia’s Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said on Thursday.

The process, which was launched as part of a deal between Turkey and Russia in September, has not been successful despite efforts by Ankara, she noted.

Syrian Ambassador to Russia, Riyad Haddad, said on Thursday that the upcoming meeting on Syria in Astana, Kazakhstan to be held in the near future will be dedicated, in particular, to the implementation of the Russian-Turkish agreements on Idlib, TASS reported.

On Tuesday, Syria’s Minister of State for National Reconciliation Affairs Ali Haidar said that it was still premature to talk about a reconciliation process in the Idlib province since the situation in the militant-held region remains “fragile,” according to Sputnik.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/militants-and-moderates-still-not-separated-in-idlib-russia/

>No sleep for rebels in northern Hama as Syrian Army expands assault
BEIRUT, LEBANON (12:40 A.M.) – The rebel forces in northern Hama are likely getting little sleep after the Syrian Arab Army (SAA) expanded their assault to several areas around this volatile front this evening.

According to a military report in northern Hama, the Syrian Arab Army’s 4th and 11th divisions pounded the trenches of Jaysh Al-‘Izza, scoring a number of direct hits with their artillery shells and surface-to-surface missiles.

The report claimed that the Syrian Arab Army specifically targeted the rebel defenses in the towns of Al-Lataminah, Al-Zakat, Tal Sakhar, and Ma’rkabah.

No further details were released regarding the Syrian Army’s attack on northern Hama tonight.

This latest attack by the Syrian Arab Army comes just hours after they heavily targeted Jaysh Al-‘Izza’s trenches at Al-Lataminah.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/no-sleep-for-rebels-in-northern-hama-as-syrian-army-expands-assault/

>US Senate proposes new bill to prohibit arm sales to Saudi Arabia
A newly proposed bill in the US Senate would suspend the sale of weapons to Saudi Arabia and block refueling of Saudi warplanes bombing Yemen, as punishment for the death of a Washington Post columnist.
A group of senators on the Foreign Relations Committee, led by Bob Menendez (R-New Jersey) and Lindsey Graham (R-South Carolina) introduced the “Saudi Arabia Accountability and Yemen Act of 2018.” It was sponsored by three Democrats and two Republicans.
Menendez, who is the top Democrat on the committee, said that sanctions against 17 Saudi nationals introduced earlier on Thursday by the Trump administration were “not enough” to ensure a credible investigation of the murder of journalist Jamal Khashoggi, and pressure Riyadh into ending the war in Yemen.
“This legislation is an important way to hold Saudi Arabia accountable for various acts in Yemen as well as the death of Jamal Khashoggi,”said Graham.
“We are putting teeth behind these demands with regular oversight, sanctions and suspension of weapons sales and refueling support,”Menendez said.
https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-us-senate-proposes-new-bill-to-prohibit-arm-sales-to-saudi-arabia/

>>186179
Long overdue. Saudi Arabia has been nothing but trouble for the US for a long time, and barely anyone aside from Rand Paul and a few others even mention it.

>>186125
I think it should both remain as the united 50 states, while also being 50 seperate states to form their own alliances and unions (Confederacy for example)

I mean, each state should be granted such great autonomy to the point of being de-facto independent and free to pursue their own domestic/foreign policy with a forum for all 50 states on foreign policy matters concerning all 50 states, and this can be accomplished by shrinking the federal government to being basically only for "the common defence" against foreign threats as cited in the Constitution.
Fun fact: before the Civil War, people referred to the United States as "The United States are"
Afterwards, it became "The United States is".

But they should be kept together through a loose union (pic related) like the EAEU, and all 50 states should have a military alliance so if one is attacked, all 49 others come to the defending state's aid - just because the states aren't bound by an all-powerful federal government doesn't mean they're weak. If anything, they're stronger without a tyrannical federal government breathing down their necks.

But none of that will happen until after civil/race war resulting in the overthrow of the government and new checks for future security against corruption. I predict this war will happen within the next 5-10 years, and I'm wondering if I'm being generous with that estimate.

>>186253
>I mean, each state should be granted such great autonomy to the point of being de-facto independent and free to pursue their own domestic/foreign policy with a forum for all 50 states on foreign policy matters concerning all 50 states, and this can be accomplished by shrinking the federal government to being basically only for "the common defence" against foreign threats as cited in the Constitution.
That is how it was envisioned, considering the articles of confederation.
>But none of that will happen until after civil/race war resulting in the overthrow of the government and new checks for future security against corruption. I predict this war will happen within the next 5-10 years, and I'm wondering if I'm being generous with that estimate.
Despite the hype, things are still good in the United States. Many people are rich and despite the corruption things remain stable. There are no day to day bombings or organized groups commuting acts of terror. It will take a real depression or a bad war with China to actually make anything like that pop off. Besides, people will just leave if things get too hot. People leaving is why Venezuela is not in revolution, and why problems in Africa are not actually being solved. Unless it explodes quick the incoming American disaster will be a slow burn.

>>186253
>wishful thinking: the post
>>186256
>Despite the hype, things are still good in the United States.
THIS

>>186125
IMO as the economic problems are becoming bigger (see wealth sharing during the 50's where the average worker could have a house, healthcare and education without too much struggle vs today where the wealth is far more concentrated in the hands of the very rich who are getting more and more tax cuts while the average worker gets his job taken by robots and is struggling to pay bills (most americans are living paycheck to paycheck with little to no savings)) the societal problem will become too much for the government to bear/ignore and will have to shift it's budget to fixing the society and less to the foreign policy (monetary aid to allied countries, military expenditure to keep troops abroad etc) otherwise' they might face a venezuela style massive protest in the long term
so i'd say america will be forced to make more concessions in terms of foreign policy and be forced to cooperate more with countries they're allied to instead of imposing their will as they're doing right now. this will leave the way for other regional power to expand their influence locally and supersede american presence at the border of their empire (afghanistan, ukraine korea etc)
so although we may not see a purely isolationist america in the future (ie their presence/influence will still be seen far away from their border in europe/ME/asia), their influence will be lesser than it was in the 90's and 00's (no more unilateral invasion of countries)
IMO the people saying USA will collapse/ turn into 90's russia are over-hyping it

>>186253
>I predict this war will happen within the next 5-10 years, and I'm wondering if I'm being generous with that estimate.
Eb, we are nowhere near that level here, it would take a massive infrastructure collapse, apocalyptic natural disaster across the whole country, or outright martial law takeover of the states, etc. Right now the only war here is one of words between those who put themselves in the left vs right spectrum, and the majority of Americans are more worried about what they are eating later and how many Facejew friends they have. Consider the fact that the 60's saw massive political upheaval, assassinations, radical groups, niggers getting emboldened and rioting, and the like and it never spread outside of major cities. One could make the argument that the 60's were a lot different than it is now, but ultimately the foundation is fairly the same, and it would not spread to many areas of the country outside of major cities, mostly on the west coast.
>>186336
excellent post Doc, I would also add that as you referenced the societal problem in regards to wealth/social needs and a need for the government to shift more focus and resources away from foreign entanglements and back to domestic ones the individual states will probably lead the way on this and get some much needed separation from the Federal Government in regards to decision making. Many states openly defy the Feds on decisions at a rate that is steadily increasing, whether passing laws that the Feds don't recognize but can't enforce (see recreational marijuana laws or California defying immigration regulations) or economic deals between states, different tax laws, etc. Ultimately you will see states taking more matters into their own hands down the road, imo

>>186256
> despite the corruption things remain stable. There are no day to day bombings or organized groups commuting acts of terror
>>186352
> the 60's saw massive political upheaval, assassinations, radical groups, niggers getting emboldened and rioting
yep, america is far from having daily mass riots (read country wide riots) and bombing and political assassinations
and even if it reached such level it doesn't mean USA would collapse see northern Ireland during the troubles or Algeria in the 90's
it'll take more than a big chimp out to bring a country to it's knees
and we're very far from that in USA today
>b-but muh liberals talking about overthrowing trump
big talk, as long as no mass action is being made (im not talking about sporadic lone wolf attacks, i'm talking about organized cells going full taliban style insurgency) then you can rest assured, and even if it happens, it doesn't mean it'll necessarily lead to a civil war
people tend to underestimate the power of secret services

>>186355
>even if it reached such level it doesn't mean USA would collapse see northern Ireland during the troubles or Algeria in the 90's
Exactly.
>even if it happens, it doesn't mean it'll necessarily lead to a civil war
people tend to underestimate the power of secret services
good points as well, the USA collapsing in the next few years is r/sgay fanfic, at most you would have pockets of resistance here and there but for most life would go on

>>186376
> at most you would have pockets of resistance here and there but for most life would go on
it's already here: detroit. yet the average mutt is unaffected
people tend to forget that USA is huge. it would be like thinking the portuguese government would fall because there's war in eastern ukraine
>the absolute state of this city
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkICZmB_C0Q [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHRkeqESFmw [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztGzzvchcUQ [Embed]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOnRrA6f0sE [Embed]

>>186417
Chicago is pretty bad too, along with most California cities.

>>186419
redpill me about hamilton electors
how the fuck is that allowed in half the states?
>the absolute state of your voting system

>>186421
stop false flagging me, i'm on forced vacation

>>186450
show flag

>>186455
Je crois que non

>>186461
how do i know if you're not maghrebois?
and why even hiding it in the first place

>>186463
trop de nouvelles tapettes d'autres endroits

https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/193542110/#193542201

>>186466
>trop de nouvelles tapettes d'autres endroits

we're in a closed circle here
are you not telling me something else?

>>186466
it would be a shame if someone was usurping your identity you while talking to deepy
;^)

>>186467
>>186469
don't be a fag

>>186470
then tell me exactly why are you you flag hiding nigger, you're way too shady
>tfw taking israeli hostage
the spirit of nasrallah is surrounding me

>>186471
because maghrebois lurks here
i remembered he said months back he knows about this place
but few days ago he lied to you about it
so he's prolly the guy from the old thread pretending to be his friend gathering intel
>maghreception

>>186471
>>186469
Post his personal information

>>186473
>because maghrebois lurks here
so what nigger? he knows you're here, you were talking to him a few days ago
>but few days ago he lied to you about it
when? he clearly implied he was here for a long time
>prolly
he is, he told me about it in french

https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1063477377592889344 [Embed]

https://twitter.com/Souria4Syrians/status/1063522744913006592 [Embed]

In light of these recent gains can we get an updated Syria shitmap?

>>186475
Before you knew and before he told you, in 4/sg/. can't find the post in the archives but it's there.

>he is, he told me about it in french
nice 4d shesh besh.

>>186480
>Before you knew
i was already suspecting it a few months ago
also in which way hiding your flag is helping you against maghrebois
there are only two people here who hide flag you both know which one's which
i don't

>>186476
stop stealing and using my 14.jpg, starving faget.

>please give me my daily (you) dose that 4/sg is denying me
very cringe

>>186482
>1494190844171.jpg
Stop renaming your filenames, you paranoid fag.

>>186481
no idea

>>186483

>>186487
I don't, this place changes filenames automatically when you upload.

>>186488
>no idea
>this whole discussion to end up to that
>or maybe he's withholding info since fakeghrebois is here
BIG think
> this place changes filenames automatically when you upload.
no the original filename is on the right in parenthesis

>>186256
>>186336
>>186352
>>186355
>>186376
>>186417
Hmmm. Fair enough. Thank you guys for keeping me level-headed tbqhwy.

>>186491
Ayo hol' up
*starts importing non whites to take jobs away from poor white workers*
lemme get this straight
*star interbreeding with his imported agricultural equipment*
So huh you be sayin that huh…
*violates northern states' "state rights" with the fugitive slave act*
the war of northern aggression
*smack nigger lips inherited through interbreeding*
wasn't about huh…
*start a war killing thousands of white just to keep importing more niggers*
state's rights but huh
*attack a union fort, says the north was being the aggressor*
about slavery and huh
*complains about state rights violation now that he is on the receiving end*
white supremacy?
*pretend the cornerstone speech and the 13 ordinances of secession don't explicitly mention the fight to keep the supremacy of the white man over the negro*
SHIEEEET

>>186502
See the little arrow at the top of your post where it says anonymous? Click that arrow and delete post should be one of the options.

>>186495
Ayo hol' up
*chimps out for more rights*
lemme get this straight
*gains civil rights after leader gets killed*
So huh you be sayin that huh…
*looks at white women with lust and gets lynched by KKK*
the whitey wasn't keepin us down
*smack weaker nigger lips through generations of being bred out*
because of being waycist
*gets imported in because your tribal leaders sold you out for shekels*
or bein' afraid of us but
*nearly burns every major city to the ground during one decade*
because we can't be decen' or create anything for ourselves
*burns down a city to the ground and grabs/beats a truck driver because a cop was acquitted for excessive force against a chimping negro*
an' act worse than animals?
*pretend that MLK and civil rights grants the negro free reign to act as they wish and pretend that negros can ever be equal to the white*
SHIEEEET
>>186512
There.

Also, late Shitmaps

https://twitter.com/RisboLensky/status/1063813230865391616 [Embed]
>Reports via @leithfadel that #IS commander Abu Hajer al Shishani (Chechen militant) was killed during finishing battles on Al Safa SE #Damascus

Good, keep killing the leaders and the pocket will collapse.

https://twitter.com/leithfadel/status/1063803612030222336 [Embed]
>Reports the Syrian Army has liberated the Al-Safa region. Verifying with 4th Division now.

HUGE IF TRUE

https://twitter.com/Suriyakmaps/status/1063814979734986753 [Embed]
>#Damascus : Today #SAA launched big assault from many axis & managed to break #ISIS defenses in the area liberating Tal Safa summit. This provocked a huge withdrawal of #ISIS fighters towards E. #Homs & #Tanf areas. #OpDignity ongoing as army continue to clean the remaining area

HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE

>>186714
Wow I cannot fucking wait for ISIS to pop-up in a different place in Syria AGAIN knowing how "effective" SAA is with their clean-up ops.

>>186718
>Checking those double dubs in your ID
At least they're not taking over cities like Palmyra and Qaryatayn anymore.

>>186719
>inb4 takes Abu Kamal and SDF/Burgers magically pop up to clear the city
If that happens, the SAA deserves getting cucked like that. Especially since they would have Russian/Iranian help in the city.

>>186718
why so pessimistic? i see it as extended /sg/ time

>>186253
>>186336
>>186352
Thanks for the insights

>>186725
Oh Doc, I do belive we have at least 2 more years of fun ahead of us in case of Syria.

>Around 248 Members of Security Forces Killed in Attacks Claimed By #Taliban in Farah Province Alone in Just 2 Weeks
According to Latest Reports , 2 F16 Fighters & U.S Ground Forces have been Deployed to #Farah Province now.
Today there is a U.S Forces Raid on #Taliban .
https://twitter.com/DRKNURPAKT1/status/1063469902713905152 [Embed]

>#Farah : U.S - ANSF Joint Raid on #Taliban in Dewar e Surkh Area of Khak E Safed District .
Helicopter & Fighters Seen Filling the Sky .
https://twitter.com/DRKNURPAKT1/status/1063515722414985217 [Embed]

>#Nangarhar : ANSF Raid on #Taliban in Zawi Area of Khogyani Ongoing .
Taliban say yesterday #ISKP Again Attacked Taliban Position , Nearly 15 #ISKP Militants killed , Rest Retreated.
#Farah : US-ANSF Raid too ongoing.
https://twitter.com/DRKNURPAKT1/status/1063505806442688513 [Embed]

>Details : Around 4 #Taliban Fighters killed & 1 injured according to My Sources.
While #Taliban Claim 16 Commandos also killed & 3 Taliban killed with 3 injured.
The Raid was followed by Daesh Raid (15 #ISKP killed) ; Just after 12 Hours of Daesh Raid , 01 Unit Raid Happened.
https://twitter.com/DRKNURPAKT1/status/1063697010065313792 [Embed]

>2 #Taliban Fighters killed in Raid , 2 Other #Taliban Fighters Blew themselves on Commandos , Leaving 16 02 Unit Commandos Dead & Wounding Many Others .
Dead Bodies were immediately Lifted From BattleGround.
Zawi Hill Area , #Khogyani District .
https://twitter.com/DRKNURPAKT1/status/1063722024630145024 [Embed]

>3 way clashes in Zawi area of Khogyani between #ANDSF #Taliban and #ISKP
#ANDSF raids against #ISKP in Pachir Aw Agam and Achin districts #Nangarhar
https://twitter.com/RisboLensky/status/1063692293906022400 [Embed]

>#IS #Khurasan released the pics showing the aftermath of IED attacks on #ANDSF SOF in Bandar area near Achin #Nangarhar
https://twitter.com/RisboLensky/status/1063822685153701889 [Embed]
(Pics attached)

>#Syria: this is what looked like the "demilitarized zone" before sunset. Heavy artillery bombardment (MLRS) hit area of #Tamanah in SE. #Idlib CS. Rebels retaliating. http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=35.458153&lon=36.748924&z=12&m=w …
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1063825848879521793 [Embed]
Video in link

>#Syria: photos showing Horas Din-led Op. Room raiding SAA position on tell in NW. #Hama CS. Up to 20 soldiers were killed. Weapons were also captured. Graphic.
https://twitter.com/QalaatAlMudiq/status/1063849712829308931 [Embed]

>>186734
>pic related
Khogyani is 3-way contested between Taliban, ANA, and ISIS.

Unrelated, gookmoot's putting 4chan worksafe boards on 4channel.org domain while keeping nsfw boards on 4chan.org domain to keep them seperate.
2nd and 3rd pics related.
1st pic related still.

>>186737
>Unrelated, gookmoot's putting 4chan worksafe boards on 4channel.org domain while keeping nsfw boards on 4chan.org domain to keep them seperate.
the fuck?

>>186738
we leddit nao
>>186737
the larper is still usurping your identity

It's all good

>>186739
I don't really care tbqhwy. I gave up on that place a long time ago.
>>186738
Screencap this, 4chan pass users will have to buy a 4channel pass, you cannot use 4chan pass for 4channel domain.
>pic related

>>186744
Also, expect ads to burst through your blockers on the worksafe boards since they'll be bringing in the big guns.

>>186742
Lewd
>tfw over one year on this site has desensitized me to this content
pic unrelated

>>186742
A-any more lewds of Syriana?
Asking for a friend

The Syrian Army (SAA) and its allies have imposed their control of al-Safa amid collapse in ISIS’ positions in this heavily fortified area, a source in the SAA told SouthFront on November 17.

According to the source, the heavy rain destroyed most of the fortifications and hideouts of the terrorist group during the last few days. This forced the remaining terrorists to flee towards the eastern Homs desert, where ISIS maintain a small pocket.

The Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) confirmed that the SAA had made a significant advance in al-Safa and said that the highest positions in the area are currently under the army control.

“Our units in the southern region made significant advance in al-Safa and imposed fire control on the remaining ISIS-held positions,” the SANA quotes a military source as saying.

Meanwhile, Syrian pro-government activists reported that the SAA had killed, injured and captured dozens of ISIS fighters during its final push in al-Safa. “Abu Hajar al-Sheshani,” a senior ISIS military commander in the Damascus desert is among the terrorist killed by the army.

The SAA launched its military operation in al-Safa following a brutal ISIS attack on the southern governorate of al-Suwayda in late September. The army faced several major setbacks in the course of the operation. However, it finally achieved success in mid November.
https://southfront.org/al-safa-is-liberated-syrian-army-eliminated-last-isis-held-position-in-al-safa/

>tfw literally an act of God

>>186751
> rain destroyed most of the fortifications and hideouts of the terrorist group
Weather confirmed to be an ASS*dist

>>186758
Ok, this was actually funny, good one Lawgoy

>>186760
still depressed/melancholic in your daily life?

>>186762
Not as bad as before.

>>186764
Yes.

>>186765
Ye
https://mlpol.net/mlpol/archive/
But it's not like 4plebs or anything.

>>186772
Yeah, there's nothing liek that
Bring it up in /qa/ if you really want one JJ.

Trips lel

>>186772
I don't think there is anyone doing that. They have all the past threads there, but nothing that has been deleted. Ask a mod about it.

>>186773
Interesting….

>>186784
Show flag
>inb4 Israeli or Iranian

>>186789
Thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BN5ylBNvqic [Embed]
Surprisingly good map timelapse of Yemen

>>186775
>Bring it up in /qa/ if you really want one JJ.
huh?
ain't me dawg

>>186784
stop larping maghrebi.

>>186803
Hence >>186776

>>186811
Thanks for the memories
GONG

>>186833
Checked

>>186827
see
>>186482

>>186844
yeah and you aren't living in russia either you 2 digit IQ retard

>>186819
quick rundown

>>186848
Lemme see if I can find the 4plebs link, but basically JJ got "gong" in ID and we had fun over it.

>>186851
> it does not make sense.
i really wonder why

Found it
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/158089550/#158093703