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Is there any hope for the world anymore? It seems like the western world has just given up, and everyone is just hoping to die before they'd have to see its collapse. Our own governments are against us, and it's impossible to even discuss the problem without being censored or arrested. And that's not even getting into how people would rather choose comfort right now over fighting for future good anyway.
There's no future, and I don't even know anyone, male or female, who'd want to have children. Is this our last generation before our world collapses forever?
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I do not hold any delusions or presumptions that victory will be ours in the end, but it is much worse to surrender to evil than to fight it and die. Honor and love are what our ancestors fought for and we must carry on this tradition or become martyrs. Even if society forgets us and descends into oblivion we will attain the companionship of angels.
Your thoughts echo the sentiments of the dying Roman culture as it perished. Yet, it was not the end of hope and, though it took hundreds of years, civilization was rekindled in a brighter light.
I do not hold any delusions or presumptions that victory will be ours in the end, but it is much worse to surrender to evil than to fight it and die. Honor and love are what our ancestors fought for and we must carry on this tradition or become martyrs. Even if society forgets us and descends into oblivion we will attain the companionship of angels.
Your thoughts echo the sentiments of the dying Roman culture as it perished. Yet, it was not the end of hope and, though it took hundreds of years, civilization was rekindled in a brighter light.
>>120764
There probably is no hope. The west will make it through, but will not be the bastions of power and liberty they once were. There is no going back, unfortunately.
There probably is no hope. The west will make it through, but will not be the bastions of power and liberty they once were. There is no going back, unfortunately.
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>>120764
We're not there yet, and people have a way of fighting savagely right when it appears to be the very end. You think this is new? It's not, this is similar to the circumstances faced by those who lived through the great depression, and not only did they break out of it, they rocketed (literally) into the future. It was deemed to be impossible, the end of western civilisation. There's a storm coming, and when it comes, I think you'll find that last bit of hope you didn't even know you had will refuse to go quietly into that good night.
We're not there yet, and people have a way of fighting savagely right when it appears to be the very end. You think this is new? It's not, this is similar to the circumstances faced by those who lived through the great depression, and not only did they break out of it, they rocketed (literally) into the future. It was deemed to be impossible, the end of western civilisation. There's a storm coming, and when it comes, I think you'll find that last bit of hope you didn't even know you had will refuse to go quietly into that good night.
>>120764
sorry to be that annoying Christian anon that spams Bible verses
Well, I don’t know if you have religious beliefs, but my source of hope come from knowing everything is already planned out. The world was predicted from a couple thousand years ago to fall apart:
2 Timothy 2:1-7
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:3-18
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
I know that the Creator of the universe knows about our struggles. He guides us in these hard times to make us stronger and to show others the truth. Some people are so blind to truth, it takes disaster to wake them up to what is happening to them. That’s how I find hope.
Ecclesiastes 12:8,13-14
8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
If you don’t believe in God, I simply encourage you to read the Bible and learn what you can from it, even if you refuse to believe it.
sorry to be that annoying Christian anon that spams Bible verses
Well, I don’t know if you have religious beliefs, but my source of hope come from knowing everything is already planned out. The world was predicted from a couple thousand years ago to fall apart:
2 Timothy 2:1-7
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.
2 Peter 3:3-18
3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.
I know that the Creator of the universe knows about our struggles. He guides us in these hard times to make us stronger and to show others the truth. Some people are so blind to truth, it takes disaster to wake them up to what is happening to them. That’s how I find hope.
Ecclesiastes 12:8,13-14
8 Vanity of vanities, saith the preacher; all is vanity.
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.
If you don’t believe in God, I simply encourage you to read the Bible and learn what you can from it, even if you refuse to believe it.
>>120790
To add onto this:
“Do not be deceived, Wormwood. Our cause is never more in danger than when a human, no longer desiring, but still intending, to do our Enemy's will, looks round upon a universe from which every trace of Him seems to have vanished, and asks why he has been forsaken, and still obeys.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
To add onto this:
“Do not be deceived, Wormwood. Our cause is never more in danger than when a human, no longer desiring, but still intending, to do our Enemy's will, looks round upon a universe from which every trace of Him seems to have vanished, and asks why he has been forsaken, and still obeys.”
― C.S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters
>>120764
Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic are setting themselves up to be the bastions of Western civilization, peoples, and culture.
Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic are setting themselves up to be the bastions of Western civilization, peoples, and culture.
>>120966
There's currently a bill in Iceland to ban male circumcision. Watch that. If that becomes law, it'll be stunningly fantastic news.
The US is ultimately doomed due to the demographic shift, but what gives me hope is the light of a few other countries. When Poland criminalized blaming Poland for the holocaust, I was walking on a cloud all day.
There's currently a bill in Iceland to ban male circumcision. Watch that. If that becomes law, it'll be stunningly fantastic news.
The US is ultimately doomed due to the demographic shift, but what gives me hope is the light of a few other countries. When Poland criminalized blaming Poland for the holocaust, I was walking on a cloud all day.
>>120764
I feel the same. But I still have hope that once it becomes too bad, and I think it will become "too bad", there will be a backlash that will be remembered for eons. I still have hope that people will wake up and see what they are doing to Europe. If all fails there will be pockets of European countries holding off the horde of immigrants from Africa. And as long as they exist there is hope for Europe.
I feel the same. But I still have hope that once it becomes too bad, and I think it will become "too bad", there will be a backlash that will be remembered for eons. I still have hope that people will wake up and see what they are doing to Europe. If all fails there will be pockets of European countries holding off the horde of immigrants from Africa. And as long as they exist there is hope for Europe.
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>>120764
No matter how much they can repeat a lie, truth always surfaces. Even if we are a small (but growing) chunk of the population of our countries that knows the truth, have accepted that the rainbow LGBT flag is just a blanket over the Ingsoc flag; we can convince more and more people our vision, albeit bitter, is bitter as a beer is bitter.
Once people stop victimize and blame themselves for things they don't do, they start believing in themselves and get power they didn't think they had. That's a powerful experience. The experience of liberty, the power of making yourself responsible for the things that happen in your life and solve them yourself.
As I said it's bitter as a beer is bitter, because all human beings want to be right, because not being right requires reprogramming certain aspects of your convictions, opinions, and life; and that's the hard part of a redpill.
No doubt it will be a hard path and we may fail in our attempt, but there will be people in the path that will resonate with us. I'm currently engaging in a local protest group to stop our country being flooded with people from the shittiest places they could think of; orchestated directly by Government, our President and Jesuits.
Do what you need to do. Think in ways your opponents can fragment and fight each other. It's easy to put feminists against LGBT groups; so try find groups big enough to rally people, I don't know: identitarian, patriotic, ethnocentrists, libertarians, whatever rocks your boat. You may not agree in 100% with them but remember, the foe of your foe is your ally. Use Alinsky tactics against the groups destroying your country. When your government is against your nation, the right thing to do is subvert it.
t. Former leftist
No matter how much they can repeat a lie, truth always surfaces. Even if we are a small (but growing) chunk of the population of our countries that knows the truth, have accepted that the rainbow LGBT flag is just a blanket over the Ingsoc flag; we can convince more and more people our vision, albeit bitter, is bitter as a beer is bitter.
Once people stop victimize and blame themselves for things they don't do, they start believing in themselves and get power they didn't think they had. That's a powerful experience. The experience of liberty, the power of making yourself responsible for the things that happen in your life and solve them yourself.
As I said it's bitter as a beer is bitter, because all human beings want to be right, because not being right requires reprogramming certain aspects of your convictions, opinions, and life; and that's the hard part of a redpill.
No doubt it will be a hard path and we may fail in our attempt, but there will be people in the path that will resonate with us. I'm currently engaging in a local protest group to stop our country being flooded with people from the shittiest places they could think of; orchestated directly by Government, our President and Jesuits.
Do what you need to do. Think in ways your opponents can fragment and fight each other. It's easy to put feminists against LGBT groups; so try find groups big enough to rally people, I don't know: identitarian, patriotic, ethnocentrists, libertarians, whatever rocks your boat. You may not agree in 100% with them but remember, the foe of your foe is your ally. Use Alinsky tactics against the groups destroying your country. When your government is against your nation, the right thing to do is subvert it.
t. Former leftist
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Don’t have much hope my self still rooting for a nuclear holocaust to cleanse this world and make it anew
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>>121391
Even better but it will take some more until fuel for the rockets starts paying by itself in that case.
Even better but it will take some more until fuel for the rockets starts paying by itself in that case.
>>120983
My greatest hope is that European countries are brought low, and as soon as the Haber process begins failing (and nitrogen stops being turned into fertilizer), that all the invaders starve to death.
They will be comfy times.
My greatest hope is that European countries are brought low, and as soon as the Haber process begins failing (and nitrogen stops being turned into fertilizer), that all the invaders starve to death.
They will be comfy times.
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I find it hard to believe that the modern people would ever rise up to fight for themselves. They will rather not think about a problem than do something about it, and there are more people who are willing to fight for that illusion than there are people willing to fight for their own future.
Waiting for people to wake up and things to turn around has never worked. I don't even know how we could stop muslims from taking over our country when they breed like roaches and gain citizenships with no questions asked. At this rate Europe will have more muslims than whites in it within our lifetime, and trying to get rid of them is getting more and more impossible as their numbers increase.
And that's just for fighting with lawful means. If things ever got to the boiling point where people actually armed themselves, the military would as a default be on the side of the government. EU also wouldn't take that sitting down, so you bet any other nation would send in "peacekeepers" to quell the "neo-nazi uprising".
While the muslim invasion is the single greatest threat to the world as we know it, I feel like even that is more symptom than the underlying cause. The west had already given up trying to improve itself, or even uphold its own future. Everyone, literally everyone I know intends to be the last of their family and simply enjoy the rest of their lives without spending it on kids and family. We were already going extinct from sheer apathy before the muslims even started settling in our soon-to-be-vacant lands.
>>120790
No offense, but I don't understand the concept of religion. If you look at the world and what's happening, wouldn't that mean Mohammad was right as the world really is falling into muslim hands? Even at best, God would appear to be more like a Dwarf Fortress player laughing at his minions bloody deaths than anything you'd call benevolent.
However, some people have said that the reason west is bending over backwards for muslims is that without it's own religious convictions it doesn't have anything to base itself on. Compared to the modern world, around 50's there definitely was a more purposeful drive towards the future, so it would seem that humans do need a religion to keep them going.
Now the question is, how can you believe in something you know to be false? How do you ignore the contrary evidence and just believe in one of all the equally groundless religions?
Waiting for people to wake up and things to turn around has never worked. I don't even know how we could stop muslims from taking over our country when they breed like roaches and gain citizenships with no questions asked. At this rate Europe will have more muslims than whites in it within our lifetime, and trying to get rid of them is getting more and more impossible as their numbers increase.
And that's just for fighting with lawful means. If things ever got to the boiling point where people actually armed themselves, the military would as a default be on the side of the government. EU also wouldn't take that sitting down, so you bet any other nation would send in "peacekeepers" to quell the "neo-nazi uprising".
While the muslim invasion is the single greatest threat to the world as we know it, I feel like even that is more symptom than the underlying cause. The west had already given up trying to improve itself, or even uphold its own future. Everyone, literally everyone I know intends to be the last of their family and simply enjoy the rest of their lives without spending it on kids and family. We were already going extinct from sheer apathy before the muslims even started settling in our soon-to-be-vacant lands.
>>120790
No offense, but I don't understand the concept of religion. If you look at the world and what's happening, wouldn't that mean Mohammad was right as the world really is falling into muslim hands? Even at best, God would appear to be more like a Dwarf Fortress player laughing at his minions bloody deaths than anything you'd call benevolent.
However, some people have said that the reason west is bending over backwards for muslims is that without it's own religious convictions it doesn't have anything to base itself on. Compared to the modern world, around 50's there definitely was a more purposeful drive towards the future, so it would seem that humans do need a religion to keep them going.
Now the question is, how can you believe in something you know to be false? How do you ignore the contrary evidence and just believe in one of all the equally groundless religions?
>>122299
>I find it hard to believe that the modern people would ever rise up to fight for themselves. They will rather not think about a problem than do something about it, and there are more people who are willing to fight for that illusion than there are people willing to fight for their own future.
There is still hope in Italy, Hungary, and Poland. These nations are rejecting multiculturalism and globalism. Things are bad and we may lose some European nations to the disease, but there is still hope.
>I find it hard to believe that the modern people would ever rise up to fight for themselves. They will rather not think about a problem than do something about it, and there are more people who are willing to fight for that illusion than there are people willing to fight for their own future.
There is still hope in Italy, Hungary, and Poland. These nations are rejecting multiculturalism and globalism. Things are bad and we may lose some European nations to the disease, but there is still hope.
>>122299
Europe will not go quietly, and things are changing in the US so the "neo nazi uprisings" would most likely succeed.
Europe will not go quietly, and things are changing in the US so the "neo nazi uprisings" would most likely succeed.
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>>122299
If you don’t understand religion, this will fall on deaf ears, but I will try to explain anyway.
>isn’t Muhammad right?
No, God is punishing us because we hold so many Jews and gays as well as us declaring him non existent in many cases, such as removing prayers, removing Ten Commandments, ect.
If you study the Bible, you see signs a nation that rejects god will have right as they face the wrath of God.
Isaiah 9:9-11
9 And all the people shall know, even Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria, that say in the pride and stoutness of heart,
10 The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.
11 Therefore the LORD shall set up the adversaries of Rezin against him, and join his enemies together;
This means God sees this pride of rebuilding in face of judgement and will be against the nation that does this. Need an example? Research the verse used at 9/11. Then what did they do afterwards? They had a little prayer and rebuilt with these exact signs, the stone was replaced with cut stone, the trees replaced with cedar. This represents our pride. We trust in ourselves to win. So God will let us do it on our own, without His help, because we clearly have things under control. We have science and rational thinking to aid us...
>why believe in something you know is false
I don’t believe in what I know to be false. From all my research, I know the Bible to be true. If you can’t see it, I can’t change your mind, but I don’t believe in anything I don’t know to be true.
>sounds like anything but a benevolent God
He is the God of Justice as much as love. I assume you like harsh punishments on those that do wrong? Like the jews should be gassed for their evil plague on our society. God is no different. He gassed those that do evil before, such as Sodom and Gomorrah, but He says that he waits patiently to do this because He wants us to turn from our sin first before judging. Well, we have had our time as far as I can tell, and so now we face the hordes that we should be able to stop with our human devices by now. So why can’t we? Our corruption. We have let evil men come in and take control and we have not stopped it. So God is letting this happen, but it brings Him no joy to punish those He calls His friends.
John 15:13-15
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
And Jesus laid down His life for us. Like I said, if you don’t understand religion, then this will make no sense. I can’t prove it to you, I can only give you what I can see, which is a nation that is falling away from its origins in faith in God. Whether that is the reason everything is the way it is, well that’s up to your belief.
If you don’t understand religion, this will fall on deaf ears, but I will try to explain anyway.
>isn’t Muhammad right?
No, God is punishing us because we hold so many Jews and gays as well as us declaring him non existent in many cases, such as removing prayers, removing Ten Commandments, ect.
If you study the Bible, you see signs a nation that rejects god will have right as they face the wrath of God.
Isaiah 9:9-11
9 And all the people shall know, even Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria, that say in the pride and stoutness of heart,
10 The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.
11 Therefore the LORD shall set up the adversaries of Rezin against him, and join his enemies together;
This means God sees this pride of rebuilding in face of judgement and will be against the nation that does this. Need an example? Research the verse used at 9/11. Then what did they do afterwards? They had a little prayer and rebuilt with these exact signs, the stone was replaced with cut stone, the trees replaced with cedar. This represents our pride. We trust in ourselves to win. So God will let us do it on our own, without His help, because we clearly have things under control. We have science and rational thinking to aid us...
>why believe in something you know is false
I don’t believe in what I know to be false. From all my research, I know the Bible to be true. If you can’t see it, I can’t change your mind, but I don’t believe in anything I don’t know to be true.
>sounds like anything but a benevolent God
He is the God of Justice as much as love. I assume you like harsh punishments on those that do wrong? Like the jews should be gassed for their evil plague on our society. God is no different. He gassed those that do evil before, such as Sodom and Gomorrah, but He says that he waits patiently to do this because He wants us to turn from our sin first before judging. Well, we have had our time as far as I can tell, and so now we face the hordes that we should be able to stop with our human devices by now. So why can’t we? Our corruption. We have let evil men come in and take control and we have not stopped it. So God is letting this happen, but it brings Him no joy to punish those He calls His friends.
John 15:13-15
13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
And Jesus laid down His life for us. Like I said, if you don’t understand religion, then this will make no sense. I can’t prove it to you, I can only give you what I can see, which is a nation that is falling away from its origins in faith in God. Whether that is the reason everything is the way it is, well that’s up to your belief.
>>122326
Amen brother.
>>122299
Just like to add in response to
>God would appear to be more like a Dwarf Fortress player
God gives us free will to do as we want (though we must accept the consequences of our actions). If God was to intervene every time someone committed evil then he would be actively restricting our free will. Muslims deserve a chance to convert, and more and more disillusioned Muslims are. Regardless, God might not be stopping the Muslim invasion right now but make no mistake, they will get what they deserve; either in this life or the next.
Also bear in mind that "evil" and "good" mean nothing without an objective moral standard, which you cannot have without God. Subjective morality is meaningless. If you are an atheist you cannot find something "unjust" or "evil", as in a purely materialistic world those words mean nothing.
Amen brother.
>>122299
Just like to add in response to
>God would appear to be more like a Dwarf Fortress player
God gives us free will to do as we want (though we must accept the consequences of our actions). If God was to intervene every time someone committed evil then he would be actively restricting our free will. Muslims deserve a chance to convert, and more and more disillusioned Muslims are. Regardless, God might not be stopping the Muslim invasion right now but make no mistake, they will get what they deserve; either in this life or the next.
Also bear in mind that "evil" and "good" mean nothing without an objective moral standard, which you cannot have without God. Subjective morality is meaningless. If you are an atheist you cannot find something "unjust" or "evil", as in a purely materialistic world those words mean nothing.
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>>122326
Why did god create so much evidence against him that the true religion is indistinguishable from fake ones? How do you even know yours is the right one? If god wanted everyone to believe in him, why did he create Mohammad in the first place? Did he let countless of millions of people get led astray just so that he could later punish them all for falling into his trick? That doesn't seem like justice any more than poisoning someones drink and then blaming them for killing themselves.
Again, I don't mean to offend you, but I am honestly bitter about the idea that someone omnipotent is out there and deliberately creating everything from geology to fossil record to ongoing evolution to essentially cheat people into hell, and we're still expected to praise him for his benevolence. I used to pray that if there was a god, he'd help me figure what was right and protect me from going the wrong way, yet here I am having completely lost my faith. Is this all part of his plan? Because if it is, then it sure sounds like he's just a manipulative sadist.
>>122360
>Muslims deserve a chance to convert
Then why are they born in islamic families, raised by islamic teachers and quite often die without ever even hearing why they should choose christianity instead? Why are there so many objectively verifiable scientific theories that go against the bible, while literally nothing to set the bible apart from torah or quran?
Why did god create so much evidence against him that the true religion is indistinguishable from fake ones? How do you even know yours is the right one? If god wanted everyone to believe in him, why did he create Mohammad in the first place? Did he let countless of millions of people get led astray just so that he could later punish them all for falling into his trick? That doesn't seem like justice any more than poisoning someones drink and then blaming them for killing themselves.
Again, I don't mean to offend you, but I am honestly bitter about the idea that someone omnipotent is out there and deliberately creating everything from geology to fossil record to ongoing evolution to essentially cheat people into hell, and we're still expected to praise him for his benevolence. I used to pray that if there was a god, he'd help me figure what was right and protect me from going the wrong way, yet here I am having completely lost my faith. Is this all part of his plan? Because if it is, then it sure sounds like he's just a manipulative sadist.
>>122360
>Muslims deserve a chance to convert
Then why are they born in islamic families, raised by islamic teachers and quite often die without ever even hearing why they should choose christianity instead? Why are there so many objectively verifiable scientific theories that go against the bible, while literally nothing to set the bible apart from torah or quran?
>>122400
>nothing sets the Bible apart
Well... then I can’t help you there. If you think that, you haven’t read the Bible, or if you did, not the main part of need out of it. That God died in your place. He died so you don’t need to have to suffer, no one has to. Why did God not just kill us all and start over? The Bible says it is because He is trying to reach you.
You say you want to find Him, but are looking at fossils and saying: guess God didn’t make me believe by magic, guess I’m going to believe I am just an animal without purpose, without a real soul. Guess God must be fake if He isn’t turning the world upside down to get me to believe. God has predicted this kind of response.
Luke 16:27-31
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Even if God sent the dead to tell people to trust in Him, they will not listen. They must hear the Word of God and decide if it is true. No amount of flash or flare will help someone believe this book. And if they did hear them out, they would be sooner worshiping the dead than God who will punish those for sin.
>why create Muhammad?
He made Muhammad and gave him the choice to form his own religion or seek out God. God isn’t interested in robot/zombie slaves. He wants someone that will seek Him and believe despite what the masses say. For every evidence of evolution, there is damning evidence against, such as the lies they pushed like Lucy the link between ape and man. This was a fraud that was readily accepted by the communities that pushed evolution. Same with Islam. Why do follow the writings of someone that was supposedly illiterate? He allowed everyone to follow him to falsehood because that was their desire. Would you like it if God said that you may only choose to follow my teachings? You would hate it and seek something else.
To sum up, that is why it is called FAITH. If it was proven without doubting, then we wouldn’t be having arguments to begin with. One would be true, end of story. Why hasn’t evolution been accepted as truth by everyone if it is so obviously right? Is it because the very core belief, that man evolved, is unknowable? It can’t be fully tested and seen to be true? It takes a little faith that the science backs it up without seeing it first hand? I believe so.
I can’t help you see anything, especially from a few paragraphs on a pony politics board. It isn’t going to happen. If you really want to believe in God, you read the Bible and see if it is true. If you have given up, then study the world and see what worth you can get from it.
>nothing sets the Bible apart
Well... then I can’t help you there. If you think that, you haven’t read the Bible, or if you did, not the main part of need out of it. That God died in your place. He died so you don’t need to have to suffer, no one has to. Why did God not just kill us all and start over? The Bible says it is because He is trying to reach you.
You say you want to find Him, but are looking at fossils and saying: guess God didn’t make me believe by magic, guess I’m going to believe I am just an animal without purpose, without a real soul. Guess God must be fake if He isn’t turning the world upside down to get me to believe. God has predicted this kind of response.
Luke 16:27-31
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house:
28 For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Even if God sent the dead to tell people to trust in Him, they will not listen. They must hear the Word of God and decide if it is true. No amount of flash or flare will help someone believe this book. And if they did hear them out, they would be sooner worshiping the dead than God who will punish those for sin.
>why create Muhammad?
He made Muhammad and gave him the choice to form his own religion or seek out God. God isn’t interested in robot/zombie slaves. He wants someone that will seek Him and believe despite what the masses say. For every evidence of evolution, there is damning evidence against, such as the lies they pushed like Lucy the link between ape and man. This was a fraud that was readily accepted by the communities that pushed evolution. Same with Islam. Why do follow the writings of someone that was supposedly illiterate? He allowed everyone to follow him to falsehood because that was their desire. Would you like it if God said that you may only choose to follow my teachings? You would hate it and seek something else.
To sum up, that is why it is called FAITH. If it was proven without doubting, then we wouldn’t be having arguments to begin with. One would be true, end of story. Why hasn’t evolution been accepted as truth by everyone if it is so obviously right? Is it because the very core belief, that man evolved, is unknowable? It can’t be fully tested and seen to be true? It takes a little faith that the science backs it up without seeing it first hand? I believe so.
I can’t help you see anything, especially from a few paragraphs on a pony politics board. It isn’t going to happen. If you really want to believe in God, you read the Bible and see if it is true. If you have given up, then study the world and see what worth you can get from it.
>>122439
>Why hasn't evolution been accepted as truth by everyone if it is so obviously right?
You might want to practice some introspection on that one, Christian Anon.
>Why hasn't evolution been accepted as truth by everyone if it is so obviously right?
You might want to practice some introspection on that one, Christian Anon.
>>122440
If by this you mean why have people not all accepted God, then that is also explained in the Bible.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
All I can do is show why I believe what I do. It is up to you to take it or leave it.
If by this you mean why have people not all accepted God, then that is also explained in the Bible.
2 Timothy 4:3-4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
All I can do is show why I believe what I do. It is up to you to take it or leave it.
>>122442
I meant looking within yourself, and your own religion: its history, it beliefs, your own reasons for why you believe.
I meant looking within yourself, and your own religion: its history, it beliefs, your own reasons for why you believe.
>>122444
Nice digits.
And yes. I have extensively, personally. I have asked myself, what if my belief is a jewish lie? What if it is all worthless. I have explored that. I traced the Bible’s stories with that of history. I have questioned if it was true. I, personally, have found that answer. It is true from what I have found. It has predicted the rise of Alexander the Great and his Greek Empire that was split into four kingdoms when his sons split the inheritance, just as the Bible said. I have studied the signs around me in a world that increasingly was the Bible is fake and they quote the Bible more and more it seems. Just take a look at modern music videos and tell me there isn’t some kind of theme of some sort of religious significance. it is from the devil And I believe it because I am powerless to save myself. I know that the way to heaven is not through works or living right, because we are not good enough. We need God to let us in despite that, so He sent Jesus Christ.
The more I look into it, the more confident I become. I am sorry to here this anon didn’t find this when studying. I find a strange peace even when the world seems to fall apart. I believe it is God comforting me though his Holy Spirit. This is why I shared this on the topic of feeling hopeless. I rarely feel hopeless when I trust in God.
Nice digits.
And yes. I have extensively, personally. I have asked myself, what if my belief is a jewish lie? What if it is all worthless. I have explored that. I traced the Bible’s stories with that of history. I have questioned if it was true. I, personally, have found that answer. It is true from what I have found. It has predicted the rise of Alexander the Great and his Greek Empire that was split into four kingdoms when his sons split the inheritance, just as the Bible said. I have studied the signs around me in a world that increasingly was the Bible is fake and they quote the Bible more and more it seems. Just take a look at modern music videos and tell me there isn’t some kind of theme of some sort of religious significance. it is from the devil And I believe it because I am powerless to save myself. I know that the way to heaven is not through works or living right, because we are not good enough. We need God to let us in despite that, so He sent Jesus Christ.
The more I look into it, the more confident I become. I am sorry to here this anon didn’t find this when studying. I find a strange peace even when the world seems to fall apart. I believe it is God comforting me though his Holy Spirit. This is why I shared this on the topic of feeling hopeless. I rarely feel hopeless when I trust in God.
>>122450
Certainly an interesting take on the subject.
At its core, I believe Christianity is a blueprint for a better, more virtuous life, when you read the stories told in the Bible and look at the morals told within. Many are lessons that I feel we as a people have forgotten. That it could, hypothetically, serve as a guiding beacon for people to better ourselves and truly heads towards a future of peace and prosperity.
But Christianity has long since lost that light. Not since the days of the old Roman Empire, I feel, has Christ's message been told faithfully. I feel it was when Constantine wrote Christ's name on his helmet and standard, and made his way across the Milvian Bridge into Rome victorius against Maxentius, that the religion lost its way, that it went from being a way for someone to better themselves, to being the sword and shield of an empire. It became politicized, a weapon against the State's enemies. And any attack on Christianity was no longer just an attack on Christianity, but an attack on the State, and could no longer be tolerated.
It is no secret that during the Middle Ages any and all knowledge that ran counter to the Church and its beliefs was deemed heretical, and, with the power of the State to support the Church, banned. So many books from ancient times that we now regard as classics were reviled back then, as they ran counter to what the Church believed and taught. Just reading one page would be enough to make you a heretic in their eyes. To answer your question from earlier, this is the reason that not everyone looks at evolution as undeniable fact. The Church teaches that God made every single creature on Earth, and that it isn't possible for a creature on Earth to exist that God did not create himself. That all life has been exactly the same from the moment the Earth was made. If you regard the Bible in its entirety as truth, non-fiction, then any idea counter to this would be considered denying reality. So when evolution was proven to be more than just hypothesis, but theory, people were outraged: how is it that there are creatures that God did not create, that horses didn't used to be horses, and that birds did not always exist? It was blasphemy to them, and many people refused to believe that it could be fact. But it was. Even now, when it has largely been accepted as common knowledge, there are people who still teach that God created all life as we see it. Much as the Church used to teach that the Earth, not the Sun, was the center of the solar system, and how people believed any heliocentric ideas were heretical and only gradually was such an idea accepted into common knowledge. And how the Church used to teach that the Earth was only a few thousand years old, and how people could not believe it when we could prove that the Earth is far, far older. Evolution is but the newest of the ideas to run counter to Church teachings.
As for what gives me hope, I look inside myself, and inside what it means to be human. I see a balance between good and evil, right and wrong. I look at the world around me and see this in action. I realize that we as humans, unlike any other being, have the capacity to do both. And that there are people out there who choose to do good despite any detriment to themselves. This is what gives me hope. That we still choose to do good, and choose to fight evil wherever it rears its ugly head, even in such dark times as these.
Certainly an interesting take on the subject.
At its core, I believe Christianity is a blueprint for a better, more virtuous life, when you read the stories told in the Bible and look at the morals told within. Many are lessons that I feel we as a people have forgotten. That it could, hypothetically, serve as a guiding beacon for people to better ourselves and truly heads towards a future of peace and prosperity.
But Christianity has long since lost that light. Not since the days of the old Roman Empire, I feel, has Christ's message been told faithfully. I feel it was when Constantine wrote Christ's name on his helmet and standard, and made his way across the Milvian Bridge into Rome victorius against Maxentius, that the religion lost its way, that it went from being a way for someone to better themselves, to being the sword and shield of an empire. It became politicized, a weapon against the State's enemies. And any attack on Christianity was no longer just an attack on Christianity, but an attack on the State, and could no longer be tolerated.
It is no secret that during the Middle Ages any and all knowledge that ran counter to the Church and its beliefs was deemed heretical, and, with the power of the State to support the Church, banned. So many books from ancient times that we now regard as classics were reviled back then, as they ran counter to what the Church believed and taught. Just reading one page would be enough to make you a heretic in their eyes. To answer your question from earlier, this is the reason that not everyone looks at evolution as undeniable fact. The Church teaches that God made every single creature on Earth, and that it isn't possible for a creature on Earth to exist that God did not create himself. That all life has been exactly the same from the moment the Earth was made. If you regard the Bible in its entirety as truth, non-fiction, then any idea counter to this would be considered denying reality. So when evolution was proven to be more than just hypothesis, but theory, people were outraged: how is it that there are creatures that God did not create, that horses didn't used to be horses, and that birds did not always exist? It was blasphemy to them, and many people refused to believe that it could be fact. But it was. Even now, when it has largely been accepted as common knowledge, there are people who still teach that God created all life as we see it. Much as the Church used to teach that the Earth, not the Sun, was the center of the solar system, and how people believed any heliocentric ideas were heretical and only gradually was such an idea accepted into common knowledge. And how the Church used to teach that the Earth was only a few thousand years old, and how people could not believe it when we could prove that the Earth is far, far older. Evolution is but the newest of the ideas to run counter to Church teachings.
As for what gives me hope, I look inside myself, and inside what it means to be human. I see a balance between good and evil, right and wrong. I look at the world around me and see this in action. I realize that we as humans, unlike any other being, have the capacity to do both. And that there are people out there who choose to do good despite any detriment to themselves. This is what gives me hope. That we still choose to do good, and choose to fight evil wherever it rears its ugly head, even in such dark times as these.
>>122496
Admirable, but I believe it to be flawed. Although mankind is capable of good, that good is not good enough. Our evil can’t be outweighed by a few simple good deeds. It isn’t a scale to balance, but a record with a stain on it. When this record is read, it will prove our guilt, regardless of how small it is. The heart of man will always default to evil if it there is something to gain.
Oh, and I still believe the earth is only around 6,000 years old. But hey, don’t let me rain on your parade.
Admirable, but I believe it to be flawed. Although mankind is capable of good, that good is not good enough. Our evil can’t be outweighed by a few simple good deeds. It isn’t a scale to balance, but a record with a stain on it. When this record is read, it will prove our guilt, regardless of how small it is. The heart of man will always default to evil if it there is something to gain.
Oh, and I still believe the earth is only around 6,000 years old. But hey, don’t let me rain on your parade.
>>122512
>The heart of man will always default to evil if it there is something to gain.
>will always default
>always
So, could you prove to me that it will happen 100% of the time? If you asked 1000 random people off the street to help you with a task that had nothing in it for them, will every single one of those 1000 people decline?
Also, I really do hope you're kidding when you say you think the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
>The heart of man will always default to evil if it there is something to gain.
>will always default
>always
So, could you prove to me that it will happen 100% of the time? If you asked 1000 random people off the street to help you with a task that had nothing in it for them, will every single one of those 1000 people decline?
Also, I really do hope you're kidding when you say you think the Earth is only 6,000 years old.
>>122534
>spoiler
Nope, not kidding.
>always
I said always defaults. This means the average response is evil intent when there is something to gain. This is proved when you ask a kid if he stole something when clearly he did. He will default to lying. Will each and every one? No. But it is a default I believe everyone has that most fail to overcome. Some do, so good for them.
>spoiler
Nope, not kidding.
>always
I said always defaults. This means the average response is evil intent when there is something to gain. This is proved when you ask a kid if he stole something when clearly he did. He will default to lying. Will each and every one? No. But it is a default I believe everyone has that most fail to overcome. Some do, so good for them.
>>122542
in what situation would there be no satisfaction gained from doing something? I'm gonna need examples.
in what situation would there be no satisfaction gained from doing something? I'm gonna need examples.
>>122542
I see them messing with the numbers, so no, I don’t believe this evidence. They measured Mnt St. Helens’ volcanic eruption dome it left after that incident back in the 80’s. It was measured to be over 2 million years. That screams foul play. Scientists will scream it was only an error caused because it was young, but that kind of error? I’m not buying it.
I see them messing with the numbers, so no, I don’t believe this evidence. They measured Mnt St. Helens’ volcanic eruption dome it left after that incident back in the 80’s. It was measured to be over 2 million years. That screams foul play. Scientists will scream it was only an error caused because it was young, but that kind of error? I’m not buying it.
>>122544
Moving a bed by yourself up three flights of stairs, and around four sharp corners. The only things I felt were relief at the fact that I didn't have to do it again, and pain from having moved a bed up three flights of stairs and around four sharp corners by myself.
>>122545
Do you mean the age of the mountain, or the age of its volcanic activity?
Moving a bed by yourself up three flights of stairs, and around four sharp corners. The only things I felt were relief at the fact that I didn't have to do it again, and pain from having moved a bed up three flights of stairs and around four sharp corners by myself.
>>122545
Do you mean the age of the mountain, or the age of its volcanic activity?
>>122550
As far as I can tell, there was no dome to the volcano before the eruption, then after the incident, there was one from the eruption. They went and measured this to get a indication of what their scales for dating should say at near 0 age, because magma resets the dating.
At least, that’s how I understood it. When the scientists measured the dome that was left, the dating said it was over 2 million years. The scientists are quick to point out that near age 0 the measurements can be wacky because of the way they use the measuring system. I just don’t buy an error of that magnitude to be an acceptable means to date all of the discoveries we make. Everything could potentially be off 2 million years, and that assumes the inaccuracy doesn’t grow with time.
As far as I can tell, there was no dome to the volcano before the eruption, then after the incident, there was one from the eruption. They went and measured this to get a indication of what their scales for dating should say at near 0 age, because magma resets the dating.
At least, that’s how I understood it. When the scientists measured the dome that was left, the dating said it was over 2 million years. The scientists are quick to point out that near age 0 the measurements can be wacky because of the way they use the measuring system. I just don’t buy an error of that magnitude to be an acceptable means to date all of the discoveries we make. Everything could potentially be off 2 million years, and that assumes the inaccuracy doesn’t grow with time.
>>122552
>Everything could potentially be off 2 million years
While I have no way of verifying that number, I think you just explained why you prefer to believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old: you dislike uncertainty.
>Everything could potentially be off 2 million years
While I have no way of verifying that number, I think you just explained why you prefer to believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old: you dislike uncertainty.
>>122554
>can’t verify
Look up Mount St. Helens eruption, it was all over the news for lighting back up debates over Bible vs science
>uncertainty
Not as much as the Bible lays out a genealogy of the people who lived up to the point of recorded history in the days of Moses, someone verified to be a real person through historical site discoveries. It seems to point to an age of around 6,000 years. This and the world wide flood is what scientists seem to try endlessly to debunk.
But uncertainty is annoying, ill give you that much. Isn’t the goal of science to make stuff known? I just think they are doing it the wrong way.
>can’t verify
Look up Mount St. Helens eruption, it was all over the news for lighting back up debates over Bible vs science
>uncertainty
Not as much as the Bible lays out a genealogy of the people who lived up to the point of recorded history in the days of Moses, someone verified to be a real person through historical site discoveries. It seems to point to an age of around 6,000 years. This and the world wide flood is what scientists seem to try endlessly to debunk.
But uncertainty is annoying, ill give you that much. Isn’t the goal of science to make stuff known? I just think they are doing it the wrong way.
>>122556
>up to the point of recorded history in the days of Moses
Recorded history extends a few hundred years before Moses, actually. The Sumerian King's List is thought to have been first committed to clay tablet in around 2100 BC, but it's unsure of just how far back the List was maintained before it was written down. Moses was born in the reign of the Egyptian pharaoh Akhenaten, who ruled between 1349 and 1334 BC. In addition, thanks to inscriptions made by the Sumerians, the first date that can be assigned to a Sumerian king (Enmebaraggesi) is around 2700 BC.
>world wide flood
There is actually evidence for the Great Flood, though it was definitely not to the scale the Bible claimed it was. It could likely refer to one of two events:
1. The end of the last glacial age around 6,000 BC.
2. A freak period of heavy flooding in Sumer, around 3,000 BC.
>Isn't the goal of science to make stuff known?
It's funny how you don't realize exactly the scale of what you don't know until you start to figure things out. I find it comforting: it means we have room to grow and learn, yet.
>>122557
Turns out stairs aren't very good for bed frames.
>up to the point of recorded history in the days of Moses
Recorded history extends a few hundred years before Moses, actually. The Sumerian King's List is thought to have been first committed to clay tablet in around 2100 BC, but it's unsure of just how far back the List was maintained before it was written down. Moses was born in the reign of the Egyptian pharaoh Akhenaten, who ruled between 1349 and 1334 BC. In addition, thanks to inscriptions made by the Sumerians, the first date that can be assigned to a Sumerian king (Enmebaraggesi) is around 2700 BC.
>world wide flood
There is actually evidence for the Great Flood, though it was definitely not to the scale the Bible claimed it was. It could likely refer to one of two events:
1. The end of the last glacial age around 6,000 BC.
2. A freak period of heavy flooding in Sumer, around 3,000 BC.
>Isn't the goal of science to make stuff known?
It's funny how you don't realize exactly the scale of what you don't know until you start to figure things out. I find it comforting: it means we have room to grow and learn, yet.
>>122557
Turns out stairs aren't very good for bed frames.
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>>122556
There are certain inconsistencies with that and the archaeological record. There are ten generations after Adam who live for almost a millennium, with each generally having children after a century. Keep in mind that all other human beings other than Noah perished in the Deluge, which is documented in multiple, disparate cultures. Because of this, every single civilization, including the one that built the Tower of Babel, had to be descended from Noah's children.
Of course, it takes a long time, centuries, for a large population to grow from a small one. Already in 3000 B.C. the seeds of civilization had taken root in Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Indus Valley. How could thousands of people have already migrated to these places if the world was supposed to be flooded at this point? What about all the barbaric tribes that by then had inhabited the corners of the world? This isn't even to speak of the land animals, which would have to repopulate, migrate and genetically diverge into the species we know today.
I have nothing against Young Earth Creationists. As a contrarian myself, I admire that they stand against the official narrative and test evolutionary theories. However, 6000 years is ridiculously young. 8000 is the line where it becomes absurd, with 10,000 or older more hypothetically possible.
There are certain inconsistencies with that and the archaeological record. There are ten generations after Adam who live for almost a millennium, with each generally having children after a century. Keep in mind that all other human beings other than Noah perished in the Deluge, which is documented in multiple, disparate cultures. Because of this, every single civilization, including the one that built the Tower of Babel, had to be descended from Noah's children.
Of course, it takes a long time, centuries, for a large population to grow from a small one. Already in 3000 B.C. the seeds of civilization had taken root in Egypt, Mesopotamia, and the Indus Valley. How could thousands of people have already migrated to these places if the world was supposed to be flooded at this point? What about all the barbaric tribes that by then had inhabited the corners of the world? This isn't even to speak of the land animals, which would have to repopulate, migrate and genetically diverge into the species we know today.
I have nothing against Young Earth Creationists. As a contrarian myself, I admire that they stand against the official narrative and test evolutionary theories. However, 6000 years is ridiculously young. 8000 is the line where it becomes absurd, with 10,000 or older more hypothetically possible.
>>122560
>history before Moses
Sorry, old church answer habit where all of that time frame is referenced as days of Moses for simplicity’s sake in discussion
>not the scale of the Biblical flood
And that’s the rub. The Bible states that people will deny the world was completely covered in water to destroy and reshape it. So you can understand my skepticism to those claims that it isn’t the same scale the Bible claims. They admit there was flooding, but deny the possibility it was over the whole earth.
>>122561
I’m not sure if you heard the verse before.
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
I will never have all the answers. I may seem incredibly dumb for my beliefs, but I believe what I find in the Bible. There have been arguments that the genealogy points toward 10,000 years, so I don’t mind either way. I just know that what the Bible claims is true as it all seems to line up with what I see in the world. So if it was indeed 6,000 years, it was done regardless of how plausible it sounds to us today. That’s where my faith kicks in.
>history before Moses
Sorry, old church answer habit where all of that time frame is referenced as days of Moses for simplicity’s sake in discussion
>not the scale of the Biblical flood
And that’s the rub. The Bible states that people will deny the world was completely covered in water to destroy and reshape it. So you can understand my skepticism to those claims that it isn’t the same scale the Bible claims. They admit there was flooding, but deny the possibility it was over the whole earth.
>>122561
I’m not sure if you heard the verse before.
Matthew 19:26
But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.
I will never have all the answers. I may seem incredibly dumb for my beliefs, but I believe what I find in the Bible. There have been arguments that the genealogy points toward 10,000 years, so I don’t mind either way. I just know that what the Bible claims is true as it all seems to line up with what I see in the world. So if it was indeed 6,000 years, it was done regardless of how plausible it sounds to us today. That’s where my faith kicks in.
>>122566
The issue is that, while there's no evidence that a flood covered the entire Earth in water at that time, there is evidence that large localized floods happened at the same time in every cradle of human civilization, large enough that, to them, it was as if the entire Earth was flooded.
You don't really seem all that dumb, but to someone who doesn't believe as fervently in the Bible and its historical credence as you do, it would appear as if you were gripped with blind faith.
I mean, I view the stories in the Bible about as historical as I would consider the tales from the old Greek and Roman cults to be historical. Some of it might be true, but I take it all with a grain of salt.
The issue is that, while there's no evidence that a flood covered the entire Earth in water at that time, there is evidence that large localized floods happened at the same time in every cradle of human civilization, large enough that, to them, it was as if the entire Earth was flooded.
You don't really seem all that dumb, but to someone who doesn't believe as fervently in the Bible and its historical credence as you do, it would appear as if you were gripped with blind faith.
I mean, I view the stories in the Bible about as historical as I would consider the tales from the old Greek and Roman cults to be historical. Some of it might be true, but I take it all with a grain of salt.
>>122570
I definitely disagree with blind faith. I am not blind to the facts, I simply disagree with the conclusions of them. The thin layers of earth and stone people count for years of the age of the earth for example, can be formed like the Galápagos Islands, rather quickly in comparison. The localized floods are better explained by a global event, which could account for the destruction of Pangea should that model be correct. The lists could go on. The problem is that science would have you believe only one theory to be true, which is ludicrous. Ever wonder why scientists get to decide the held theories to begin with? They can’t even decide if chocolate is good for you or not, they change the stats nearly every year.
I don’t want to attack you for trusting science. It is a logical enough of a choice. You see evidence and determine a conclusion. The problem I have is that the evidence isn’t pointing to one theory and one alone here. Science has its own type of “blind faith” too. It can’t ever accept that there is a supreme God, or it loses credibility in the eyes of its followers. If evidence would be brought to light of that possibility, it is reasoned away to dismiss it. Some scientists even hold that aliens could have help terraform earth during its creation, but a God goes too far.
I definitely disagree with blind faith. I am not blind to the facts, I simply disagree with the conclusions of them. The thin layers of earth and stone people count for years of the age of the earth for example, can be formed like the Galápagos Islands, rather quickly in comparison. The localized floods are better explained by a global event, which could account for the destruction of Pangea should that model be correct. The lists could go on. The problem is that science would have you believe only one theory to be true, which is ludicrous. Ever wonder why scientists get to decide the held theories to begin with? They can’t even decide if chocolate is good for you or not, they change the stats nearly every year.
I don’t want to attack you for trusting science. It is a logical enough of a choice. You see evidence and determine a conclusion. The problem I have is that the evidence isn’t pointing to one theory and one alone here. Science has its own type of “blind faith” too. It can’t ever accept that there is a supreme God, or it loses credibility in the eyes of its followers. If evidence would be brought to light of that possibility, it is reasoned away to dismiss it. Some scientists even hold that aliens could have help terraform earth during its creation, but a God goes too far.
>>122588
Receding polar ice caps at the end of the last glacial period can also explain the localized flooding. But Pangea? If Pangea managed to break up and form the continents we have today in such a short timescale, then they would be moving fast enough that we would have noticed a lot more changing in the past few thousand years than just sea levels.
As for why scientists get to "decide the held theories", it's because they're the experts in scientific fields, so people leave it up to them. But even then they don't really "decide" what theories to uphold. They just test out varying hypotheses until one of them manages to remain consistently true. Though sometimes I will admit, when they do decide that something is true without it being able to be tested, they fuck up. Pluto is a planet, dammit.
Receding polar ice caps at the end of the last glacial period can also explain the localized flooding. But Pangea? If Pangea managed to break up and form the continents we have today in such a short timescale, then they would be moving fast enough that we would have noticed a lot more changing in the past few thousand years than just sea levels.
As for why scientists get to "decide the held theories", it's because they're the experts in scientific fields, so people leave it up to them. But even then they don't really "decide" what theories to uphold. They just test out varying hypotheses until one of them manages to remain consistently true. Though sometimes I will admit, when they do decide that something is true without it being able to be tested, they fuck up. Pluto is a planet, dammit.
>>122593
>spoiler
At least that is one thing I can agree with you on.
As for Pangea, I believe in a God that in the Bible says split the water of the Red Sea for the jews to walk across the dry water bed below. The whole impossible angle for events of such magnitude is no problem in my book.
>spoiler
At least that is one thing I can agree with you on.
As for Pangea, I believe in a God that in the Bible says split the water of the Red Sea for the jews to walk across the dry water bed below. The whole impossible angle for events of such magnitude is no problem in my book.
>>122602
Would some of the feats in ancient Roman and Greek tales be plausible in your book, then?
I will say, it's refreshing having a discussion with a Christian such as yourself who doesn't bring up the topic of souls and spirits.
Would some of the feats in ancient Roman and Greek tales be plausible in your book, then?
I will say, it's refreshing having a discussion with a Christian such as yourself who doesn't bring up the topic of souls and spirits.
>>122628
>spoiler
You need to learn to stop when your ahead my friend. I believe in those too.
>ancient feats
Perhaps. Sometimes there is more truth to stories than what we think. No doubt most isn’t true as they built those stories off of idealistic versions of themselves and what they dreamed of.
>spoiler
You need to learn to stop when your ahead my friend. I believe in those too.
>ancient feats
Perhaps. Sometimes there is more truth to stories than what we think. No doubt most isn’t true as they built those stories off of idealistic versions of themselves and what they dreamed of.
>>120764
Try enjoying the small things every so often. This centuries-old war you're ruminating about won't stop just because you decide to give yourself an ulcer. You have been given agency as a human being, go ahead and enjoy that privilege.
Try enjoying the small things every so often. This centuries-old war you're ruminating about won't stop just because you decide to give yourself an ulcer. You have been given agency as a human being, go ahead and enjoy that privilege.
>>122629
I believe in spirits as well, it's why it annoys me that most bring it up immediately as an argument in favor of their faith.
I believe in spirits as well, it's why it annoys me that most bring it up immediately as an argument in favor of their faith.
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>>122657
>Try enjoying the small things every so often.
I can't. The little good things aren't enough to make life worth suffering all the massive bad things. I'm depressed, and aside from ponies there haven't really been things that bring me joy in years. What good there even is in life?
Browsing this board is again making it hard to feel hope for anything. People are watching the progress of our enemies all the while believing that someday things will get to the point where we strike back and win, as opposed to just getting to the point where fighting back is too late.
What broke my back years ago was when someone answered to my redpilling with "So what? Even if everyone in the country knew that was the truth, what do you think we could do?". I had no answers. Americans still hold up the bravado that at some point they'll have had enough and rise against their oppressors, but I know it's never going to happen because people will always choose to pretend that things aren't that bad *yet*.
I have always tried to cheer people on, but I just can't keep it up anymore. How can I keep living in a world like this?
>Try enjoying the small things every so often.
I can't. The little good things aren't enough to make life worth suffering all the massive bad things. I'm depressed, and aside from ponies there haven't really been things that bring me joy in years. What good there even is in life?
Browsing this board is again making it hard to feel hope for anything. People are watching the progress of our enemies all the while believing that someday things will get to the point where we strike back and win, as opposed to just getting to the point where fighting back is too late.
What broke my back years ago was when someone answered to my redpilling with "So what? Even if everyone in the country knew that was the truth, what do you think we could do?". I had no answers. Americans still hold up the bravado that at some point they'll have had enough and rise against their oppressors, but I know it's never going to happen because people will always choose to pretend that things aren't that bad *yet*.
I have always tried to cheer people on, but I just can't keep it up anymore. How can I keep living in a world like this?
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>>123649
/pol/ and its derivatives are a hurtbox and you are affected by it. Knowledge is meant to make you stronger, but if it's causing trauma it may be wise to take a step back and analyze your own life rather than look at all the evil in the world.
Individually as a random bloke on a computer you are weak but you have potential. When you read a book, work out, learn a language, establish a friendship, or get a job you are making yourself stronger. You shouldn't have to worry about the big picture, as there are others in our movement who are better judges of the situation. However, by giving yourself essential skills, raising wealth, and establishing the family, you are building a bulwark in the West.
You should keep in mind that we are as of yet a nascent movement; we lack the organization, resources, and planning of our enemy. However, we have passion and truth on our side and nothing can take those away. Build yourself up personally, stockpile supplies, and teach others and you will be better prepared whenever the day comes.
"So, too you also must be prepared, for at an hour you do not expect, the Son of Man will come." –Matthew 24:44
While I do not greatly admire Diogenes, he does have a point. If all is for naught and I wind up rotting in a barrel or jail cell, I'll still laugh to my death at the folly of the world. Earth is not our home anyway.
/pol/ and its derivatives are a hurtbox and you are affected by it. Knowledge is meant to make you stronger, but if it's causing trauma it may be wise to take a step back and analyze your own life rather than look at all the evil in the world.
Individually as a random bloke on a computer you are weak but you have potential. When you read a book, work out, learn a language, establish a friendship, or get a job you are making yourself stronger. You shouldn't have to worry about the big picture, as there are others in our movement who are better judges of the situation. However, by giving yourself essential skills, raising wealth, and establishing the family, you are building a bulwark in the West.
You should keep in mind that we are as of yet a nascent movement; we lack the organization, resources, and planning of our enemy. However, we have passion and truth on our side and nothing can take those away. Build yourself up personally, stockpile supplies, and teach others and you will be better prepared whenever the day comes.
"So, too you also must be prepared, for at an hour you do not expect, the Son of Man will come." –Matthew 24:44
While I do not greatly admire Diogenes, he does have a point. If all is for naught and I wind up rotting in a barrel or jail cell, I'll still laugh to my death at the folly of the world. Earth is not our home anyway.
>>123653
I'm feeling Finnbro.
Your post gave me a bit of spirit.
Thanks.
Also a Christfag, can't go wrong with that Matthew quote when feeling down on the world.
I'm feeling Finnbro.
Your post gave me a bit of spirit.
Thanks.
Also a Christfag, can't go wrong with that Matthew quote when feeling down on the world.
>>123649
>this image
Who wants a sad? Get your sad RIGHT here! We have all kinds of sads to choose from!
>this image
Who wants a sad? Get your sad RIGHT here! We have all kinds of sads to choose from!
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I have taken a break from mlpol for a while to hang out at 8chan, but now that 4chan has reached its breaking point I've been coming back here to collaborate in order to get the posters away from that site that's intentionally suppressing them and wasting their time.
It's depressing to see how many are still staying there, and why. The only positive side of /mlp/ is that it has a lot of users, but instead of them all moving and bringing their traffic with them, they're content to sit in their censored, malevolently-moderated hellhole because everyone around them does that. They're like a herd of sheep dying in a wasteland because the green pasture nearby doesn't have other sheep in it and they don't want to be the first ones there.
Do you really expect these people to get up in arms against absolutely anything when they won't even post on a different forum to save their own community? These are the same people who are talking about committing suicide when G4 ends, yet even asking them to stop being a part of the problem is too much for them.
It's depressing to see how many are still staying there, and why. The only positive side of /mlp/ is that it has a lot of users, but instead of them all moving and bringing their traffic with them, they're content to sit in their censored, malevolently-moderated hellhole because everyone around them does that. They're like a herd of sheep dying in a wasteland because the green pasture nearby doesn't have other sheep in it and they don't want to be the first ones there.
Do you really expect these people to get up in arms against absolutely anything when they won't even post on a different forum to save their own community? These are the same people who are talking about committing suicide when G4 ends, yet even asking them to stop being a part of the problem is too much for them.
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>>123649
A Swede and a Finnbro are both depressed. Can't say I am surprised.
Are you also waiting to die?
A Swede and a Finnbro are both depressed. Can't say I am surprised.
Are you also waiting to die?
>>128661
There's no politics. If you've read this thread, they're the main reason I tried to stay away from this place for now. I need pony without constant reminders of how doomed we are.
>>128670
I was already planning a similar image for mlpol too (ponies in a 4chan concentration camp with a text "Don't take it like a jew, come to mlpol!"), but seeing how hard it is to mobilize people even on a matter like this made me lose all will to try.
There's no politics. If you've read this thread, they're the main reason I tried to stay away from this place for now. I need pony without constant reminders of how doomed we are.
>>128670
I was already planning a similar image for mlpol too (ponies in a 4chan concentration camp with a text "Don't take it like a jew, come to mlpol!"), but seeing how hard it is to mobilize people even on a matter like this made me lose all will to try.
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>>128723
Think about when we "hypothetically" win the race war and "Hypothetically" get revenge on the (((Rootless cosmopolitans))) and hate fuck their women just like (((they))) did to ours in 45.
Think about when we "hypothetically" win the race war and "Hypothetically" get revenge on the (((Rootless cosmopolitans))) and hate fuck their women just like (((they))) did to ours in 45.
read siege
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>>128633
To an extent I understand that feeling, of wanting to keep your mind off of /pol/ related stuff, I tried to do the same with other things but it always ends up going back to it. People say its because /pol/ can't keep to their own containment board, and even in different communities this is the case so I'd say it isn't /pol/ but its that the world is on fire and its hard to escape the light being omitted from it.
At this point I just try to laugh at it, but even then its not great because no matter how funny this messed up world is it scares me. Guess that's why I like fandom s so much, they give me any easy way out, but even they degenerate into it. Wish things could be simpler. To an extent when I watch shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek3aeUhHaFY
I wonder why I don't just learn to do this all myself and live away from everything. But guess they'd ketch up to me eventually…
To an extent I understand that feeling, of wanting to keep your mind off of /pol/ related stuff, I tried to do the same with other things but it always ends up going back to it. People say its because /pol/ can't keep to their own containment board, and even in different communities this is the case so I'd say it isn't /pol/ but its that the world is on fire and its hard to escape the light being omitted from it.
At this point I just try to laugh at it, but even then its not great because no matter how funny this messed up world is it scares me. Guess that's why I like fandom s so much, they give me any easy way out, but even they degenerate into it. Wish things could be simpler. To an extent when I watch shit like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ek3aeUhHaFY
I wonder why I don't just learn to do this all myself and live away from everything. But guess they'd ketch up to me eventually…
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>>128633
Taking a break once and a while is good, but don’t let the world scare you into a fantasy land of which you refuse to come out of. Discussion about what matters to us and what effects us can help you through tough times in life. It’s good to know that other anons are experiencing similar problems and to see what they think is the best solution.
Here is an edit of your picture to get you in the spirit to enjoy our board.
Taking a break once and a while is good, but don’t let the world scare you into a fantasy land of which you refuse to come out of. Discussion about what matters to us and what effects us can help you through tough times in life. It’s good to know that other anons are experiencing similar problems and to see what they think is the best solution.
Here is an edit of your picture to get you in the spirit to enjoy our board.
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>>128881
Well how do other people deal with this? All I've seen are unfounded bravado and religious faith that despite our enemies winning on every front, someday a deus ex machina from heavens is gonna solve everything.
This is already the end game. We're being censored from every media so that we'll be the last generation able to even hear that white men weren't the cause of all the evil in the world. And these are the people we'd have to win with; people so pathetic they can't get away from their oppressors even when all it would take is not going to the site they know to be slowly snuffing them out.
If you have any solutions to dealing with this, the please help me find them.
>>128688
Yes. At this point, my greatest wish is to just die so I won't have to suffer as things keep getting worse.
Well how do other people deal with this? All I've seen are unfounded bravado and religious faith that despite our enemies winning on every front, someday a deus ex machina from heavens is gonna solve everything.
This is already the end game. We're being censored from every media so that we'll be the last generation able to even hear that white men weren't the cause of all the evil in the world. And these are the people we'd have to win with; people so pathetic they can't get away from their oppressors even when all it would take is not going to the site they know to be slowly snuffing them out.
If you have any solutions to dealing with this, the please help me find them.
>>128688
Yes. At this point, my greatest wish is to just die so I won't have to suffer as things keep getting worse.
>>128911
Maybe you are a coward, willing to end your life so that you do not see the putrefaction of your ideals.
You are frustrated, and you lost your will to fight, your motivation, you are getting desperate.
Just calm down man, no one is expecting you to lift the world over your shoulders, there is a time to do stuff, there's also usually a plan involved.
Worst case scenario you end up raising a few children of your own teaching them what is right.
You don't need your life to be shaped around a political movement.
Maybe you are a coward, willing to end your life so that you do not see the putrefaction of your ideals.
You are frustrated, and you lost your will to fight, your motivation, you are getting desperate.
Just calm down man, no one is expecting you to lift the world over your shoulders, there is a time to do stuff, there's also usually a plan involved.
Worst case scenario you end up raising a few children of your own teaching them what is right.
You don't need your life to be shaped around a political movement.
>>128911
>Well how do other people deal with this? All I've seen are unfounded bravado and religious faith that despite our enemies winning on every front, someday a deus ex machina from heavens is gonna solve everything.
They're not winning on every front, many fronts, yes, but not all and not in all parts of the world. I deal with this by looking back on history and seeing that this is not a first for the world, and those folks back then, no matter how hopeless it seemed, no matter how fucked everything was, they managed to pull through every time. Even if it was only for a brief shining moment, before they found some new institution, some new technology, some new means to hide themselves.
Every time they've been beaten back, they learn a little more on how to subjugate us better, and every time they do, we learn a little more about how to fight it. That's why I don't believe we'll see this ended in our lifetimes, but we can pave the way for those that come after us to do more.
>Well how do other people deal with this? All I've seen are unfounded bravado and religious faith that despite our enemies winning on every front, someday a deus ex machina from heavens is gonna solve everything.
They're not winning on every front, many fronts, yes, but not all and not in all parts of the world. I deal with this by looking back on history and seeing that this is not a first for the world, and those folks back then, no matter how hopeless it seemed, no matter how fucked everything was, they managed to pull through every time. Even if it was only for a brief shining moment, before they found some new institution, some new technology, some new means to hide themselves.
Every time they've been beaten back, they learn a little more on how to subjugate us better, and every time they do, we learn a little more about how to fight it. That's why I don't believe we'll see this ended in our lifetimes, but we can pave the way for those that come after us to do more.
Read Siege
>>128938
Thing is, the time is running out. And yet the most we can do is talk about it to other people who can't do anything either and most likely choose to disbelieve our message precisely because there is plan of what to do beside spreading our downer facts to other people too. The question of "Even if everyone knew the truth, what could do?" is why the sheeple choose not to listen to us, and I don't have an answer to that would satisfy even myself.
>>128952
Our survival isn't a guaranteed fact like in movies and videogames. Rome collapsed before, as did Babylonia, and I bet they thought they were the heroes in the story of life as well. You can't just say we'll automatically win when there's nothing to back that up. How COULD we win at this point even in the best of scenarios?
Thing is, the time is running out. And yet the most we can do is talk about it to other people who can't do anything either and most likely choose to disbelieve our message precisely because there is plan of what to do beside spreading our downer facts to other people too. The question of "Even if everyone knew the truth, what could do?" is why the sheeple choose not to listen to us, and I don't have an answer to that would satisfy even myself.
>>128952
Our survival isn't a guaranteed fact like in movies and videogames. Rome collapsed before, as did Babylonia, and I bet they thought they were the heroes in the story of life as well. You can't just say we'll automatically win when there's nothing to back that up. How COULD we win at this point even in the best of scenarios?
>>128959
The modern Rome and Babel WILL collapse again, there is no saving it. It took hundreds of years but civilization reached new heights because selfless monks dedicated their lives to copying and storing information.
I don't know about you but I am working out, educating myself, trying to become successful. Then I will arm myself, raise a family, and hide treasure troves of tools, weapons, and information. Have a personal plan of where you'll be in 10 years and what you'll do when it's happening.
The modern Rome and Babel WILL collapse again, there is no saving it. It took hundreds of years but civilization reached new heights because selfless monks dedicated their lives to copying and storing information.
I don't know about you but I am working out, educating myself, trying to become successful. Then I will arm myself, raise a family, and hide treasure troves of tools, weapons, and information. Have a personal plan of where you'll be in 10 years and what you'll do when it's happening.
>>128959
Time is not running out, you are running out of life, that's why I told you, worst case, have a nice family and live by your ideals.
Time doesn't stop and stuff is always changing.
If everyone knew the truth, that won't change anything, but if everyone understood the implications of our claims, then you would see actual change.
Yet, don't expect the general population to act by themselves, they need a leader, as they are sheep.
Time is not running out, you are running out of life, that's why I told you, worst case, have a nice family and live by your ideals.
Time doesn't stop and stuff is always changing.
If everyone knew the truth, that won't change anything, but if everyone understood the implications of our claims, then you would see actual change.
Yet, don't expect the general population to act by themselves, they need a leader, as they are sheep.
>>128959
I never said we'll automatically win, it's not easy, it's not guaranteed. Rome collapsed yes, but the romans were not killed to the last man woman and child. Babylonia fell, but their people did not, Nazi Germany fell, but there are still germans despite the Allies' and Jews' best efforts to see them utterly crushed. This is not the first crisis the world has ever seen, nor even the worst, it always seems that way to people who live in such times. Simply giving up just because it's hard to continue is for the weakest of people, at which point you might as well kill yourself if you haven't the strength of will to at least try to save yourself.
How could Trump have been elected? He literally had the world against him, the establishment, all the money, political sway and might they had to throw at him to make him go away, and yet he's in office. No one ever thought the Russians would free themselves of communism, but there they are, more democratic than any European nation today. How about Hungary? Tiny nation, should have folded easy beneath the weight applied to them by the EU, and yet they've kept the immigrants out of their country, they refuse to bow.
You ever wonder what people thought during the great depression? Jews and corporations exploiting them mercilessly, rampant homelessness, crime, suffering, many were close to giving up, many more did. Yet those times are behind us.
Lines on the map may be redrawn, our enemies may take victory here or there, but our people will survive, one way or another. The status quo never lasts.
If you don't think your own future is worth fighting for in whatever way you can manage, then they have beaten you and you should kill yourself right now like they want. If not, then do whatever you can, cast your vote, have your say, even if it lands you in prison, educate whoever you can and disregard those who can't. The power of government is derived from the people, and it's those people they fear more than anything else, not any individual, but the people as a collective. Which is why this extreme individualism is being peddled so hard, an individual is easier to control than a united group.
"Rome wasn't built in a day.", it also wasn't built by one man.
I never said we'll automatically win, it's not easy, it's not guaranteed. Rome collapsed yes, but the romans were not killed to the last man woman and child. Babylonia fell, but their people did not, Nazi Germany fell, but there are still germans despite the Allies' and Jews' best efforts to see them utterly crushed. This is not the first crisis the world has ever seen, nor even the worst, it always seems that way to people who live in such times. Simply giving up just because it's hard to continue is for the weakest of people, at which point you might as well kill yourself if you haven't the strength of will to at least try to save yourself.
How could Trump have been elected? He literally had the world against him, the establishment, all the money, political sway and might they had to throw at him to make him go away, and yet he's in office. No one ever thought the Russians would free themselves of communism, but there they are, more democratic than any European nation today. How about Hungary? Tiny nation, should have folded easy beneath the weight applied to them by the EU, and yet they've kept the immigrants out of their country, they refuse to bow.
You ever wonder what people thought during the great depression? Jews and corporations exploiting them mercilessly, rampant homelessness, crime, suffering, many were close to giving up, many more did. Yet those times are behind us.
Lines on the map may be redrawn, our enemies may take victory here or there, but our people will survive, one way or another. The status quo never lasts.
If you don't think your own future is worth fighting for in whatever way you can manage, then they have beaten you and you should kill yourself right now like they want. If not, then do whatever you can, cast your vote, have your say, even if it lands you in prison, educate whoever you can and disregard those who can't. The power of government is derived from the people, and it's those people they fear more than anything else, not any individual, but the people as a collective. Which is why this extreme individualism is being peddled so hard, an individual is easier to control than a united group.
"Rome wasn't built in a day.", it also wasn't built by one man.
>>128911
Yes no questions and nothing detailed.
Perkele do you have a job?
Perkele do you have a EU-Finnish passport?
Perkele are you willing to pay and take a trip to Stockholm for a day to drink alcohol and talk shit about life? (I recommend that your age is 21 or over) If so give me a burner e-mail or something where I can send you a general adress and we will set a date and time to meet up and roll around in misery together. I will be wearing something to identify myself with. We will not show eachother our ID's nor will we exchange names or anything like that and no photos. Just talk shit and drink until we can drink no longer.
That is if you are alone, if you already have friends to hang with then fuck it. I am just waiting to get my ID card and the next income check and then I am going to start drinking again most likely.
Yes no questions and nothing detailed.
Perkele do you have a job?
Perkele do you have a EU-Finnish passport?
Perkele are you willing to pay and take a trip to Stockholm for a day to drink alcohol and talk shit about life? (I recommend that your age is 21 or over) If so give me a burner e-mail or something where I can send you a general adress and we will set a date and time to meet up and roll around in misery together. I will be wearing something to identify myself with. We will not show eachother our ID's nor will we exchange names or anything like that and no photos. Just talk shit and drink until we can drink no longer.
That is if you are alone, if you already have friends to hang with then fuck it. I am just waiting to get my ID card and the next income check and then I am going to start drinking again most likely.
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>>128959
Finanon, If there is one thing I've learned from any person in this movement is that everyone who has our ideals will need to hold fast and wait until the time is right and prepare for it. When George Lincoln Rockwell was killed here in the states the movement here fell into infighting and squabbling. Men like William Luther Pierce that carried the flame of our ideals and philosophy to the grave here in the states didn't know that the internet would give rise to a new birth of the movement. It is up to us in the present to continue to preserve what we have and what we will fight for verbally and physically. A core ideal in our movement is preservation and continuation of what we have. Our peoples, our nations, our families our ideals, all of it. I'm not telling you to be a leader or fighter or anyone. You can sit and be complacent and rant how the enemy is winning on all fronts or how the world is rapidly changing. And you are right to say that we the west are charging towards its own destruction. The point is, nothing will happen unless you do something. You the average, the worker, the student, must get of your ass and become a fanatic for your ideas.
The Nordic Resistance Movement is active in most Scandinavian nations and think if even a small percentage of the depressed, self loathing, hedonists we call citizens of these nations begun to support causes like a true National Socialist Organization. You must do your own part for the survival of Western Civilization. What many of most of us need to do is using the power we have on the internet and project it in the real world. Small gatherings, book clubs, parties. Like what TRS and the Dailystormer do here in the states. Even what that Swedanon is suggesting.
>>128968
If we all continue to be complacent and do nothing for our ideals nothing will happen and our enemies will still be on the march. The time is nearly upon us and we must prepare for it. Engage in camaraderie, make friends and have fun. If not you then who?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZsv4RiThJo
Finanon, If there is one thing I've learned from any person in this movement is that everyone who has our ideals will need to hold fast and wait until the time is right and prepare for it. When George Lincoln Rockwell was killed here in the states the movement here fell into infighting and squabbling. Men like William Luther Pierce that carried the flame of our ideals and philosophy to the grave here in the states didn't know that the internet would give rise to a new birth of the movement. It is up to us in the present to continue to preserve what we have and what we will fight for verbally and physically. A core ideal in our movement is preservation and continuation of what we have. Our peoples, our nations, our families our ideals, all of it. I'm not telling you to be a leader or fighter or anyone. You can sit and be complacent and rant how the enemy is winning on all fronts or how the world is rapidly changing. And you are right to say that we the west are charging towards its own destruction. The point is, nothing will happen unless you do something. You the average, the worker, the student, must get of your ass and become a fanatic for your ideas.
The Nordic Resistance Movement is active in most Scandinavian nations and think if even a small percentage of the depressed, self loathing, hedonists we call citizens of these nations begun to support causes like a true National Socialist Organization. You must do your own part for the survival of Western Civilization. What many of most of us need to do is using the power we have on the internet and project it in the real world. Small gatherings, book clubs, parties. Like what TRS and the Dailystormer do here in the states. Even what that Swedanon is suggesting.
>>128968
If we all continue to be complacent and do nothing for our ideals nothing will happen and our enemies will still be on the march. The time is nearly upon us and we must prepare for it. Engage in camaraderie, make friends and have fun. If not you then who?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tZsv4RiThJo
>>128981
I was destroyed mentally. I literally cannot be fixed. Unless you know of a way to remove all my memories and trauma and wipe the slate clean and then re-teach me the essentials, then yes maybe.
I do not like being a burden on society, but my dad insists that I stay alive and thus I shall do so until he is gone, after that I am going to stop existing one way or another.
I was destroyed mentally. I literally cannot be fixed. Unless you know of a way to remove all my memories and trauma and wipe the slate clean and then re-teach me the essentials, then yes maybe.
I do not like being a burden on society, but my dad insists that I stay alive and thus I shall do so until he is gone, after that I am going to stop existing one way or another.
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