/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

But yeah this is just something i thought of, whatever i don't really care

I support anti-natalism amongst jews

Gay, retarded, self-loathing thread for retarded, self-loathing gays.

Anon, are you depressed?

Are you looking for an excuse to commit suicide or what?

>>405853
I am actually very comfortable with my life
>>405854
Why would there be a need for an excuse?

>>405855
>Why would there be a need for an excuse?
Then what are you waiting for? Go die. Right now.

>>405857
Well i'm not going to do that because as i said i'm comfortable with my life

And don't get me wrong i'm not implying that people should be allowed to kill themselves ONLY if their life completely sucks, that's a whole different subject

Think of it more like you do with drug addicts, they realize drugs are not good for them but you can't just tell them "well if you know they're not good for you then quit it right now", it's not that simple for everyone

Drug addicts are drug addicts because drugs give them this fake temporary nourishment feeling, this is the same way for me and alot of other people who share this philosophy but replace "drugs" with "life" and "fake temporary nourishment" with "enjoyment" and you'll get what i mean

>>405858
Then why are you here telling other people to die and spreading "pro-death philosophy" if you won't take your own advice?

>>405863
I literally just answered this

Babby's first existential crisis

>>405848
Ah, OP the agent provocateur posts again.

>>405848
Not sure what all the angry responses to OP are about, whatever his motivations are for posting this all sounds pretty reasonable to me. From a certain view life is pointless, but on the other hand it doesn't really need a point and can just be enjoyed or not enjoyed for whatever it is. For the people who don't enjoy it, there's not really any obligation to procreate or even to continue living if they don't want to.

>>405891
>For the people who don't enjoy it, there's not really any obligation to procreate or even to continue living if they don't want to.
And yet so many of these assholes keep on living while making it their mission to bring others down to their level of despair. There's no obligation for them to inflict their teen angst on to others on the internet. There's no obligation for them to try to convince young, impressionable, hormonally unstable boys that this emo blackpill shit is the sole truth and that being a depressed self-loathing retard in to adulthood is anything besides hilarious. But they do! And just like queers, they manage to procreate vicariously by converting other peoples' kids in to followers of their gay little death cult. Unfortunately the internet makes it too easy for these types to whine and mope about things that would get them swirly'd IRL.
>>405891
>whatever his motivations are for posting this all sounds pretty reasonable to me.
What are those motivations? To let everyone know that he's just read the Wikipedia article for 'Buddhism' and now he believes that people who find purpose in life are "infected and brainwashed"?

>>405893
Larping as stoic doesn't make you intellectually superior over blackpillers you retarded leaf nigger, you have nothing and your life has no purpose it's literally all in your head, if you weren't mentally raped by culture you wouldn't be this triggered over basic realism
No matter how much you cope with life and tell yourself to keep grinding your fate will still be permanent unconscious and nothing you ever said would bother anyone anymore, you are not some primal warrior or a form of some indomitable human spirit, you are just a soulles organism addicted to horse porn browsing a shitty dead meme imageboard and i doubt you even bring any man-made value to your own cultural environment that you keep defending

>>405848
Life's value comes from meaning. Like a poem with no clear meaning, it doesn't really matter until you attach one. Values build our goals, but the meaning of life is bigger than life itself, like how an interpretation goes beyond the plain text. We're just a small part of life, a subset of that larger meaning. If you're only part of the whole, it's unlikely you can fully grasp something beyond it. So maybe the true meaning of life is beyond our understanding, and our values and goals are just products of our limited minds.
Does that mean life is meaningless? I don't know. I can't claim certainty about things beyond my understanding. What I do know is I exist (that's REAL), and guesses about death are mostly blind speculation. It's not logical to make final decisions about something you don't understand and aren't even sure about.
I don't know wtf you're trying to prove, but if you're thinking that because you can't find grand meanings for life you should kill yourself, that's a fucking dumb, illogical thnig.
Nobody can say for sure what happens after death, so don't think suicide is an interesting thing for skipping your so-called meaningless life, that's just a retarded shit.

>>405897
>you're larping
>you're coping
>This shitty site is dead
Like clockwork, wow.

I'm not even strongly attached to these beliefs, as i said i don't really care and i'm just another alive being seeking for nourishment but you people have to make it seem like i do

>>405902
You literally made a new thread for something this stupid and talk as these things is an absolute truth. Don't be surprised if others see you that way.

>>405902
You can't write this >>405897 and then say you're "not strongly attached to these beliefs"

>>405900
>Life's value comes from meaning
Lol no
>>405903
I made this thread because it's a subject i was interested in
>>405904
But i can

>>405897
>Larping as stoic
Nothing about anon's post would indicate that's what he's doing. Do you understand what stoicism is?

>No matter how much you cope with life and tell yourself to keep grinding your fate will still be permanent unconscious and nothing you ever said would bother anyone anymore
Because a stoic wouldn't be bothered by this. Just sayin.

>>405907
Yeah because stoics don't exist, someone can pretend like they are one but they can't be

>>405905
>Lol no
Can you tell me, then, where the values of life come from? Your ass??
I gave a simple example so you would get my point, but your retarded mind still didn't understand.
Let me make it clearer: imagine I read you a very deep japanese haiku, you probably won't tell the difference between that meaningful poem and some random scribbles until I explain its meaning. The value of the writing becomes clear when I reveal its meaning. So values are ultimately defined by meaning. Understood?
>I made this thread because it's a subject i was interested in
You're defending it so hard, that's not just interest...

>>405908
Now you're just being silly. There have been plenty of stoics, and they all existed.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Stoic_philosophers

>>405909
>Can you tell me, then, where the values of life come from?
Nowhere because values are imaginary nigga
>You're defending it so hard, that's not just interest...
If all the arguments against are pure mental retardation then of course it's gonna seem like i'm defending it so hard

>>405910
All of these people are larpers, it is literally not possible to achieve true stoicism

>>405911
>values are imaginary nigga
If someone believes in something, then the existence or nonexistence of whatever they believe in is beside the point. The belief is what motivates them.

>>405912
>All of these people are larpers
How do you know this? Did you speak with them personally to confirm this?

>it is literally not possible to achieve true stoicism
Explain your reasoning.

>>405911
>Nowhere because values are imaginary nigga
Mf that's what I said:

>>405900
>and our values and goals are just products of our limited minds.

You can't just get my point cause you are retarded, waste of time for making you understood...
>If all the arguments against are pure mental retardation then of course it's gonna seem like i'm defending it so hard
You're just proving my point that you really think that's absolute truth. Ok if you think that's based and everything against it is all retarded, go kill yourself and have a good death, bye.

>>405914
>The belief is what motivates them.
And where the fuck is the "value" or "meaning" in that? You're just moving towards nothing
>How do you know this? Did you speak with them personally to confirm this?
>Explain your reasoning.
I know this because i am a human being and i know how the human mind works, "the endurance of pain or hardship without the display of feelings and without complaint" Is literally just impossible, it contradicts with human nature
You will always be somwhat intolerant to somewhat pain, you will always feel it, you will always complain

>>405916
>Mf that's what I said
Then you know what i'm saying is right, cool

>>405918
kys

>>405917
>And where the fuck is the "value" or "meaning" in that? You're just moving towards nothing
My point is that it's only moving towards nothing if you believe it's nothing. If you believe it's something, you're moving towards that. If it's actually nothing, then you're technically correct that there's no point, but in practical terms it doesn't matter if the believer believes there is one. This actually reminds me a little of a conversation I had with some fedora-tipper once, who was saying that Christians are wasting their lives believing in heaven because it's not real and when you die you just disappear. My point was simply that regardless of whether or not this is true, to a Christian it wouldn't matter. If Heaven is not real, the belief in Heaven provides the same amount of practical benefit to the believer that it would if it did exist.

The basic essence of what you're saying I don't disagree with. A person experiences the world through consciousness. Even though the world can exist without you in it, from the perspective of your own consciousness the world begins at your birth and ends at your death. The state on either side of consciousness is a state of formlessness.

What I disagree with are the conclusions you draw from it. In the formless state there's nothing to concern yourself with, because "you" don't exist and aren't conscious of your own non-existence. So you can't concern yourself with anything. In the period where you do exist, you're here in the world one way or the other. So the way I see it, you may as well concern yourself with the stuff that's here, in whatever way suits you the best. If you don't want to concern yourself with anything you don't have to, but if that's the case then it's odd that you would be concerned with what other people are concerned with. If everything is a waste of time, then nothing you're doing with your life is any more or any less of a waste of time than what anyone else is doing. So why would you even care whether or not another person has values, or whether those values are even real? What do you gain from proving to another person that their values don't exist? Why does it make you so butthurt that nobody with values seems to care whether or not you believe in them?

Let's return to stoicism for a minute:
>"the endurance of pain or hardship without the display of feelings and without complaint" Is literally just impossible, it contradicts with human nature
Let's say for the sake of argument that this is true; the goals of stoicism are impossible. It still doesn't negate stoicism as an approach to life. The stoic isn't necessarily a person who has attained this state, the stoic is a person who holds this state as an aspirational value and orders their life around the pursuit of it. It's an approach to life, and by following this particular path the stoic gives meaning and purpose to his own life. He doesn't need anything external to himself to acknowledge the purpose in order for it to provide benefit. The same thing can be said for any path a person might choose. The path of the warrior, the path of the monk, the path of the guy who writes clever shitposts on the internet. All paths have exactly as much meaning and purpose as the person walking the path chooses to give it. Whether or not it produces any permanent result is beside the point.

All of this is true even from your point of view. You don't have to follow any path if you don't want to; if all paths lead to oblivion and nothing matters, then following a path is the same as not following one. But this also means there are no negative consequences to choosing to follow a path, as opposed to, say, being some smug faggot with a saudi flag who despite believing in nothing goes out of his way to announce to the world that he believes in nothing.

If everything is a waste of time, then nothing is any more of a waste of time than anything else. So you may as well do whatever gives you meaning.

>>405925
>My point is that it's only moving towards nothing if you believe it's nothing. If you believe it's something, you're moving towards that.
No dude no, this is so wrong, just because you imagine in your head that something is true doesn't mean you're moving towards it nor are you moving towards anything because it'ssimply non-existent, you're not doing anything, no one is doing anything, we're all just stuck in this zeroth dimension and there's no movement towards anything because that's just how life is
>If it's actually nothing, then you're technically correct that there's no point, but in practical terms it doesn't matter if the believer believes there is one.
I agree, but my main root of argue is that, also in practical terms, what the believer believes in is simply pointless and moves towards nothing
>My point was simply that regardless of whether or not this is true, to a Christian it wouldn't matter. If Heaven is not real, the belief in Heaven provides the same amount of practical benefit to the believer that it would if it did exist.
Can you tell me what exactly is the practical benefit to the believer when it doesn't exist? What does it move towards? What does it achieve by the time their consciousness has escaped the mortal vessel? Nothing.
>So you can't concern yourself with anything. In the period where you do exist, you're here in the world one way or the other. So the way I see it, you may as well concern yourself with the stuff that's here, in whatever way suits you the best.
And why the fuck would i do that? What do i benefit from it? How does it help me at the end? All of this constant worrying and marching towards nothing has no point or meaning once all of this is over, so it's better to just take the short way out and escape this vessel via self-inflicted death
>If you don't want to concern yourself with anything you don't have to, but if that's the case then it's odd that you would be concerned with what other people are concerned with.
I am not "concerned" about anything really
>If everything is a waste of time, then nothing you're doing with your life is any more or any less of a waste of time than what anyone else is doing.
True
>So why would you even care whether or not another person has values, or whether those values are even real? What do you gain from proving to another person that their values don't exist? Why does it make you so butthurt that nobody with values seems to care whether or not you believe in them?
Because i exist, i am conscious and i have my own will just like anyone else, i personally don't judge people who have killed themselves without telling other people what i'm telling right now before they killed themselves, because these people have already freed themselves, there is nothing to inform them about, unlike people who are in the same state i'm in
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Oh and about stoicism i don't really give a shit about that and i don't wanna talk about it anymore, consider that you won on this topic or whatever

>>405848
why is this dogshit blackpilling slide thread on page 1?

>>405848
There's a lot in this thread so if i say something already said, im sry.
I hope u dont feel ganged up on, but imo, u give ur statements on what reality is and i feel like none of us know it.

Otherwise, i think ur string of logic is very logical. If we die and it is as you say making up meanings on ur own, feels pretty meaningless to me, just imo.
However, its based on the premise that u know what happens of death but don't know reality that well.

Take this argument that I feel if u pose people get dishonest somewhat. Let me explain.
So the question is: "How come reality is?" or "How come there is something rather than nothing?"
and depending on which camp u r, u will answer it differently. "A superintelligence created the universe," "The universe come to and goes out in a endless cycle," or "the universe has always existed."
These are fine hypthesises, the problem becomes when people act like its obvious. And from my experince, I'll just be honest here, mostly athesist (againt from my experince) will act (but it doesn't matter who does it tho) like its obvious.
But it isn't.

Like, which one of these three ideas for how hte world was created do you honestly think make sense? I think, none of them make sense. I can't wrap my around either of them.
And I feel like that's just part of the truth of being human. (Humility over our lack of understanding of realities mysteries, not dig against anyone here, just how I try to live) Just because we know so much more than animals about things, I feel sometimes like we believe ourself to understand reality better than them, which we kinda of do. But how far of this iceberg called reality have we really uncovered? Sometimes, I get the impression people feel like we know most rather than just the tip.
And there's also another aspect to this, there is knowledge a human can understand and ones we can't. Like, we know of some of these. For example, a jigsaw puzzle, with limited but ridiculously huge pieces, can be solved by a human because it make sense to us. It will just take time.
Utlraviolet light is light that we can't see. We think about it as another type of violet, but it isn't. Its a color outside of the colors we know. We can't describe that. We can't imagine it, cause its outside of our understanding.

I also don't think that, we cant think ourselves into being okay with death. You talked about how culture has influenced us into wanting to live, yet I feel like I disagree. Most stories are and such is about accepting death, sort of.
that's kidna the problem I have with the arguements that circulate in our culture, that people can find themselves "okay with death".
I think the ego is a psycho-chemical phenoma which first priority is to live. And that's why every creature ever, fights to survive.
I think its kinda like a stockholm syndrome were people are aware that they are going to die someday, and therefore say something like, "well it would be boring to live forever". Basically, trying to make it their choice, instead of it being something out of their hands, in order to placate their need for control that stems from the ego. "The illusion of the the ego is control" -- Pat.

I prefer my position, "Since I haven't killed myself, I want to live. I never want to die, but one day I will, against my wishes."

That's part of why I have been skeptical towards stocism myself, from what I understand but I might just lack proper knowledge about it. Basically, I view my body is a bit outside of my control, and thusly my emotions. I can't control, that I feel fear over death, or other things, but that's fine.

Anyway, that was it. Thanks for reading my long winded-rambling. HAve a good day c:

>>405934
>I think the ego is a psycho-chemical phenoma which first priority is to live. And that's why every creature ever, fights to survive.
I did write, "I think". I'm not claiming I know how others functions in their head. To me, it just seems to be the most reasonable explanation. I could be wrong however.

>>405934
>which one of these three ideas for how hte world was created do you honestly think make sense?
I don't know because i don't care, i might seriously put thought into it later tho
>I also don't think that, we cant think ourselves into being okay with death.
We can, either way intentional self-inflected death wouldn't be so common
These are the only small bits of your wall of text that i thought it would be enough to mention in my response, sorry if this made it seem like you wasted your time lol

>>405936
>We can, either way intentional self-inflected death wouldn't be so common
This is good point. One which I have been pondering for a while, now that you mention it. I'm not certain exactly... Like, I have been suicidal before, but at that time it felt more, like na escape from the pain rather than a rational, I accept death sort of thing. Idk, maybe it was. Its hard to exactly, understand. I feel like I'm on the cusp of a breakthrough here but I can't figure it out yet.
So, in short: You might be right.
>I don't know because i don't care, i might seriously put thought into it later tho
That's fine. Take you time. ^^
>These are the only small bits of your wall of text that i thought it would be enough to mention in my response, sorry if this made it seem like you wasted your time lol
>sorry if this made it seem like you wasted your time lol
^^ It's fine, dude. Hehe. I get that writing a whole page isn't something one is always up to. Like, just because you don't respond, it doesn't prove me right or anything, just because I go the last word. Proofs are needed for statements and stuff.
Also, don't worry about me wasting my time. I do that all the time anyway. ^^

>>405897
>you are just a soulles organism
....Yes? Personally, I believe that people are just brains who control bags with meat and bones.

>>405947
I love rick and morty too !!!!!

Feel free to exit existence whenever. The chance I can get ahold of your meager assets is low but not zero.

>>406088
>"sage"
>still bumped the thread
You saged every field except for the one that actually matters, dumbass.

>>406089
>You saged every field except for the one that actually matters
>except for the one that actually matters
You don't know that.

>>406099
If he saged in the email field, the thread would not have bumped.