This thread is to discuss the one ideology founded on the principles of Christianity that can build a civilization that will stand the test of time. Discuss the technology, techniques, and policies necessary to implement pic related.
/mlpol/ - My Little Politics
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I want to state right now that the bioreactor will be a central technology for this movement and I know there will need to be ethical and spiritual debate on how to use that tech. So I am welcoming suggestions and criticism.
One would need to futureproof it. The last few civilisations did, but only linguistically.
>>395974
AI would need to be a central component of it. The boys at alogs.space/robowaifu are working on such things.
AI would need to be a central component of it. The boys at alogs.space/robowaifu are working on such things.
>>395951
>No one will willingly give up the comforts of industrial society
Ask to Uncle Ted and the Amish.
>No one will willingly give up the comforts of industrial society
Ask to Uncle Ted and the Amish.
>>395984
Yeah individuals and small communities. The majority of people depend on industrial society.
Yeah individuals and small communities. The majority of people depend on industrial society.
>>395984
And you have options to become less dependent on the system. Biogas, Stirling engines, solar power, ect.
And you have options to become less dependent on the system. Biogas, Stirling engines, solar power, ect.
DIY culture could be integrated into neo-distributism. DIY is inherently political.
>>396468
I see your bump, and I raise you an individually piqued interest.
DIY, distributism and Christian ethos applied to civilisation are very high on my list of interests (I am a robotics and theology enthusiast.)
I've always found distributism to be a reasonable conjecture that wedges itself between the coalescing of capital until it becomes too weighty to be supported by public interests, and a stripe of Communism that inevitably greases the wheels of the revolution with the blood of its most fervent adherents (and their kin.)
I favour what this thread mentions because it not only enables the fostering of countless, autocephalous coooperatives, it too can establish entire Independencies that can obtain privileges from the state rather than leverage their resources against it.
I'm immediately reminded of the Twenties, when some infrastructure was developed in such a fashion (think pneumatically powered instruments, appliances, et cetera) despite the quasi-corptocracy of the Gilded Age looming over the working class and poors in America. It was also a time in the West when daring minds and cut-throats of very large firms competed over the very applications we take for granted today.
I think that a future based upon cooperation, decentralisation and a multitude of various projects for the life, health and safety of a national mass is something to look forward to.
To keep the discussion forward, what methods, techniques and technology do you see on the horizon that is of keen pertinence to the above? I've always been keen on arcologies but think them far too massive to properly manifest in most nations.
I see your bump, and I raise you an individually piqued interest.
DIY, distributism and Christian ethos applied to civilisation are very high on my list of interests (I am a robotics and theology enthusiast.)
I've always found distributism to be a reasonable conjecture that wedges itself between the coalescing of capital until it becomes too weighty to be supported by public interests, and a stripe of Communism that inevitably greases the wheels of the revolution with the blood of its most fervent adherents (and their kin.)
I favour what this thread mentions because it not only enables the fostering of countless, autocephalous coooperatives, it too can establish entire Independencies that can obtain privileges from the state rather than leverage their resources against it.
I'm immediately reminded of the Twenties, when some infrastructure was developed in such a fashion (think pneumatically powered instruments, appliances, et cetera) despite the quasi-corptocracy of the Gilded Age looming over the working class and poors in America. It was also a time in the West when daring minds and cut-throats of very large firms competed over the very applications we take for granted today.
I think that a future based upon cooperation, decentralisation and a multitude of various projects for the life, health and safety of a national mass is something to look forward to.
To keep the discussion forward, what methods, techniques and technology do you see on the horizon that is of keen pertinence to the above? I've always been keen on arcologies but think them far too massive to properly manifest in most nations.
>>396474
Checkout alogs.space/robowaifu. A lot of the technology we would need to pull this off exists there.
Checkout alogs.space/robowaifu. A lot of the technology we would need to pull this off exists there.
Distributist fairies.
And ponies
I understand the pros of distributism. Just the mere access to producing for my own needs is great for me and the people around me. My only gripe is the simple fact that when you give the means of production to everyone, it inevitably flows back into the people who proactively make use of it, which more often than not is the rich and sometimes the ambitious. A lot of, perhaps most, people legitimately are not cut out for DIY.
That is to say, I am doubtful that this system will actually move the status quo.
That is to say, I am doubtful that this system will actually move the status quo.
>>396825
Yeah. Also, what's to prevent large owners from buying up land again after it's distributed?
Yeah. Also, what's to prevent large owners from buying up land again after it's distributed?
>>396828
I don't like the idea of wealth caps. It just sounds like socialism with extra steps. Why should the government stop you from expanding your business when you worked hard to grow it?
I don't like the idea of wealth caps. It just sounds like socialism with extra steps. Why should the government stop you from expanding your business when you worked hard to grow it?
>>396837
You really shouldn't stop people from accumulating wealth. Stop money from being used for evil, sure, but stopping wealth itself leads to stagnation and encourages nefarious usage of money. Would you like it if you worked a hard week plus overtime and saw your paycheck got skimmed extra hard by the state cuz you made "too much" money?
On that note, who the fuck determines this "wealth cap"? Set it high, it does jack shit, a rich class will still emerge, just Jeff Bezos rich, not Elon Musk rich, like that means anything.
Set it low, and you'll see communist level economic stagnation cuz no one will want to produce any more than bare minimum to avoid the penalty.
I actually take it back: I don't see the pros of distributism, not if dumbass concepts like capping wealth is on the table.
You really shouldn't stop people from accumulating wealth. Stop money from being used for evil, sure, but stopping wealth itself leads to stagnation and encourages nefarious usage of money. Would you like it if you worked a hard week plus overtime and saw your paycheck got skimmed extra hard by the state cuz you made "too much" money?
On that note, who the fuck determines this "wealth cap"? Set it high, it does jack shit, a rich class will still emerge, just Jeff Bezos rich, not Elon Musk rich, like that means anything.
Set it low, and you'll see communist level economic stagnation cuz no one will want to produce any more than bare minimum to avoid the penalty.
I actually take it back: I don't see the pros of distributism, not if dumbass concepts like capping wealth is on the table.
>>396837
>Because no one should have unchecked power in any form including wealth.
But your solution is to give all of that power to the state to control and distribute wealth.
>Because no one should have unchecked power in any form including wealth.
But your solution is to give all of that power to the state to control and distribute wealth.
>>396839
The one thing I agree with is the idea of applying distributism to counteract consolidation schemes. Megacorpos like Blackrock should not be allowed to own 99% of homes just so that they can force everyone to rent.
The one thing I agree with is the idea of applying distributism to counteract consolidation schemes. Megacorpos like Blackrock should not be allowed to own 99% of homes just so that they can force everyone to rent.
>>396841
No it would be to families and guilds to control. The state would be heavily intertwined with a guild system that was connected to families. One vote per family.
No it would be to families and guilds to control. The state would be heavily intertwined with a guild system that was connected to families. One vote per family.
>>396843
The state still enforces the law, and therefore has all of the power and discretion.
How do you determine what counts as a single family? What if members of a larger (((tribe))) band together to consolidate land under their rule?
The state still enforces the law, and therefore has all of the power and discretion.
How do you determine what counts as a single family? What if members of a larger (((tribe))) band together to consolidate land under their rule?
>>396845
>How do you determine what counts as a single family?
One man one woman and kids
>What if members of a larger (((tribe))) band together to consolidate land under their rule?
The words separation of church and state do not appear in the U.S. constitution and if the church will keep the jews at bay then I'm not opposed to using a church to keep foreign institutions at bay.
>How do you determine what counts as a single family?
One man one woman and kids
>What if members of a larger (((tribe))) band together to consolidate land under their rule?
The words separation of church and state do not appear in the U.S. constitution and if the church will keep the jews at bay then I'm not opposed to using a church to keep foreign institutions at bay.