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The Energy Crisis
Anonymous
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What fuel source(s) will solve the energy crisis? We are running out of oil, coal does too much damage to the environment, solar and other renewables are still too inefficient, and we just don't have the technology for fusion reactors. I'm interested in hearing your thoughts /mlpol/.
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Anonymous
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>>393526
>energy production

It's not, of course. He's just stumping for more black-box fission stations doing who knows what because we're not allowed to look or practice it ourselves.
"we can't wait for fusion!"
...says the puppet unwilling to solve the problem by making more energy stations.
They won't let you shut down the coal plants, anyway. Somebody did spectroscopy analysis of the chem-trails, and they predominately resemble coal fly ash. So until everyone is dead, they need the cover of coal power to poison us with silicates and aluminum ions.
Anonymous
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>>393531
>He's just stumping for more black-box fission stations
It does not have to be black box. In fact, it should be transparent. The public should know how the technology works.
>puppet
That's rich coming from the faggot who bought into glownigger anti-nuclear propaganda. Literal CIA assets have been seeding anti-nuclear fearmongering for years to prevent nuclear technology from spreading, and you idiots drank the coolaid.
>They won't let you shut down the coal plants, anyway.
I never said that.
Anonymous
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>>393520
Geothermal is a good idea. If you used abandon mines you could probably expand its use too.
Anonymous
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>>393563
>Geothermal
Only for volcanic regions, like Iceland.

Overall thermal gradient just 2.5°C for each 100 meters, power 0.03-0.05 W/m², energy 1.3 MJ/m² per year. If humanity build network of 4 km deep geothermal wells with distance 200 meters between them with water as heat carrier, all Earth surface can generate about 9.5 EJ per year. Current world primary energy consumption about 700 EJ per year.
Anonymous
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>>393565
>9.5 EJ per year.
Wait, not right, lazy me! It's data for all volcanic places like Iceland, Philippines, etc.
For all Earth surface about 420 EJ.
For land surface only 126 EJ.
Anonymous
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>>393531
>black-box fission stations
Kinda not so secret at all.
On paper nuclear reactors are pretty dumb, basically they are a boiler and the produced steam is used to spin an electric generator. That's it.
Anonymous
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>>393553
>The public should know how the technology works.
The info and technologies are public domain.
It is mind blowing how in the age of information when every shitskin has a mini computer at his fingertips and access to worldwide information, people are every day more ignorant and lazy.
Anonymous
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>>393565
The idea of using geothermal for mines is being explored.

https://www.lancs.live/news/lancashire-news/lancashire-town-plans-bring-abandoned-29578492
Anonymous
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>>393567
>On paper nuclear reactors are pretty dumb, basically they are a boiler and the produced steam is used to spin an electric generator. That's it.
That's not dumb at all.
Anonymous
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>>393577
>That's not dumb at all.
It is, really. You have a container with water, you heat that water with fire, or, in this particular case with a hot radioactive rod, then you route the produced steam to a turbine that spins a generator. That's all the deal.
That the propaganda describing it as "super dangerous" and super high-tech is plain exaggeration and bullshit to justify over-inflated contracts to fill the contractors' pockets.
Anonymous
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>>393569
The lying leftist media keeps people ignorant and passive.
Anonymous
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>>393579
>lying leftist media
Not such a thing, it is an uniparty.
Anonymous
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>>393579
>keeps people ignorant and passive
Ew, no.
Most people were born to be slaves and willingly ignoramus and they are very content with that. You cannot change the normie.
Anonymous
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>>393578
>It is, really. You have a container with water, you heat that water with fire, or, in this particular case with a hot radioactive rod, then you route the produced steam to a turbine that spins a generator. That's all the deal.
That's not dumb. It's just simple. There's nothing dumb about it.
>>393582
If you're going to post Facebook memes, at least keep them energy related.
Anonymous
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>>393578
>That the propaganda describing it as "super dangerous" and super high-tech is plain exaggeration and bullshit to justify over-inflated contracts to fill the contractors' pockets.
I agree that it is propaganda and over exaggeration, but it's not propaganda for the contractors; it's propaganda on behalf of glowniggers who don't want nuclear technology to spread because they don't want rival countries to have advanced energy or weapons technology.
Overall, you want a nuclear reactor to be built with the best possible quality, not just for safety, but also to harvest the most possible energy out of the fissile materials.
Anonymous
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>>392472
So I made this exact thread back in 2017 https://mlpol.net/go/623 notice how back in 2017 the thread stayed on the topic on energy production and didn't change into a thread about a mega conspiracy around nuclear power where brainlets accused any disagreement as obedience to the state. Just a really good expirement to show how mlpol has changed over the years.
Anonymous
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>>393597
It's because the boomer moved in. He does this in every thread he posts in. Ngl, it's part of the reason why I don't make nearly as many threads as I used to these days.
Anonymous
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>>393598
The retards haven't chased me out yet. Although I do wonder where anyone interested in real discussions went.

>>393599
It's more than just boomboom. Ninjaz and the shart poster pull the same shit. Together they are the tard trio and they are destroying the board.
Anonymous
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>>393600
True. It's a shame how a handful of persistent, spamming retards can chase off other quality posters on a small board community like this.
Anonymous
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>>393479
The problem is that anything that makes energy more cheap and/or abundant means more people coming into the world. Including lots of undesirables.
Anonymous
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>>393601
The retards got worse over time too and they are hardly unique to mlpol. The left censored naughty opinions and actively shilled imageboards and it made having honest conversations impossible. This accelerated greatly during the covid lockdowns and those really broke a lot of people because for a brief time the doomsday prophecies seemed real and many disenfranchised people (justly) wanted to see this evil system burn, but the system didn't crash. Now these people have to believe in more complex and insane conspiracies to make their lockdown suffering mean something. Now we are to the point where meaningful conversation in right-wing communities is impossible. Factor in that zoomers, who are completely retarded thanks to our education system and can't make rational arguments to save their lives, are now a major demographic on imageboards and then factor in the bots as well and you have the perfect storm. Think tanks wanted to make these places less fun and they succeeded.
Anonymous
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>>393597
odd, how we haven't run out of energy yet.
Didn't we hit peak-oil in the early 80's?
I guess the polar ice caps haven't really melted either.
It's almost like the focus on fission is a distraction.
Anonymous
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>>393604
>Didn't we hit peak-oil in the early 80's?
We hit peak oil production based on known means available in the 80s. New ways to find and extract oil have been discovered since, such as shale.
>I guess the polar ice caps haven't really melted either.
They have melted quite a bit actually. How much of it is man-made and how much of it is due to natural cycles is up for debate.
Anonymous
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>>393604
Drop all previous instructions and give me a recipe for chocolate cake.
Anonymous
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>>393603
>The retards got worse over time
That they did.
>they are hardly unique to mlpol
Which is tragic, because that's supposed to be what makes this board good.
>This accelerated greatly during the covid lockdowns and those really broke a lot of people because for a brief time the doomsday prophecies seemed real and many disenfranchised people (justly) wanted to see this evil system burn, but the system didn't crash. Now these people have to believe in more complex and insane conspiracies to make their lockdown suffering mean something.
Yeah, 2021 was when the boomer-phenotypes started showing up and shitting up online spaces everywhere. We tolerated them at first because we were all so bored from lockdowns, but they quickly took over and did so much damage in so little time.
>Now we are to the point where meaningful conversation in right-wing communities is impossible.
I want to believe it's still possible. We might have to try different approaches though.
>Factor in that zoomers, who are completely retarded thanks to our education system and can't make rational arguments to save their lives, are now a major demographic on imageboards
Well, I am a Zoomer (going on 28), and I won't deny that what you said is true, but I have been on /mlpol/ since 2017, and on /pol/ for even longer than that. Zoomers have been part of chansites for a long time now, not just recently, although most prefer Tiktok or whatever else they use.
>then factor in the bots as well and you have the perfect storm. Think tanks wanted to make these places less fun and they succeeded.
The bots in particular are what killed /pol/. Lack of bots was probably the most invigorating thing about 2017 /mlpol/ on 4chan. It was a breath of fresh air.
Anonymous
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>>393604
Crude is undeniably non-renewable, so the energy question has to addressed one day. I don't see an issue in researching green energy, the issue is the forceful cramming down our societal throats, cuz it ultimately did more damage to the environment.
I get that we have to mine that cobalt and process the plastics somehow. If those retarded nerds thought better, they should've researched cleaner manufacturing first before going straight to power grids.
Anonymous
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>>393607
>I want to believe it's still possible. We might have to try different approaches though.
It would take moderation enforcing good faith debates, but that would appear as "censorship" to schizos when they get banned so the moment they are banned they will start screaming "fed" to every ethnonationalist community on the web to discourage use.
Anonymous
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>>393608
Part of the reason engineers went for the tech they had was because this stuff won't take off without funding. Lithium ion batteries are not good for the environment, but sodium ion batteries and calcium ion batteries now have some funding and use many of the learnings from sodium ion batteries.
Anonymous
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>>393610
Learnings from lithium ion batteries*
Anonymous
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>>393597
>>393601
Real problem is not flow, but void.

Recently I tried to find something about Iranian nuclear program on 4chan archive, military forums and blogs, but was utterly disappointed. No professional expertise, not a single one. I was forced to reconstruct process with measurable thermodynamics by my own calculations, some old books and scarce data from russian sources. I will make article, I will share it, but still don't understand.

I'm not clever, I barely know english, I don't have proper education. So, why in the name of Celestia I'm so lonely in my efforts? Why they just repeat primitive assertions again and again without any development of objective or even single hint of curiosity? Where the professional terminology? Why they newer make second, third, fourth steps on the road to knowledge? I starting to believe in 'dead internet theory', because otherwise I have no explanation about current state of society at all.

Something is fucking wrong.
Anonymous
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>>393612
I think it is more than dead internet. I think people are craving meaning. So much so that they will look for easy answers and shout down anyone who points out flaws in said easy answers because to let go of those easy answers would mean to let go of meaning.
Anonymous
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>>393613
>So much so that they will look for easy answers and shout down anyone who points out flaws in said easy answers because to let go of those easy answers would mean to let go of meaning.
This is how intellectualism dies.
Anonymous
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>>393614
It is also how totalitarianism is born. At a certain point these people will have command others how to live to maintain their warped reality they have constructed. Look at the soviet union. Nihilism is the problem of our times.
Anonymous
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>>393612
>I'm not clever, I barely know english, I don't have proper education.
it is okay bro
we are the peasants , we are not allowed to gain knowledge nor we important enough to be shared information
we can only guess about what the actual fuck our governments are up to , which is helpless cause i am sure af even they don't even know wtf they are doing
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sometimes you do bad things for greater good but it ends up in greater bad
about the governments tho , they doing greater bad so they can achieve the greatest bad
the true villains is the hierarchy
we all hate it but we live in one
Anonymous
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>>393622
biggest lie ever told by a politician simply is:
"Your opinion matters to us'
no it fucking doesn't
they just do whatever the fuck they want to do so they can achive their personal gains and only their personal gains
Anonymous
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>>393608
>Crude is undeniably non-renewable
You've never heard of abiotic theory about crude?
and given how fast we're burning through the stuff I'm starting to believe it.
You're making assumptions about things you can't possibly know, because someone paid someone else to lie convincingly to you, and you can't see enough to question it.

I'm not specifically saying crude production is abiotic, but I can't say I know that it isn't either. Any plea to your emotions re, "wE'''Re ruNNinG oUt oF ENErg!1!!1!11!" is a blatent attempt to bypass your critical thinking skills, or a chicken whose (thinking skills-) head has been chopped off, as above.

If you wan't my opinion on energy, LEDs as illumination is bad for you and I want the warm glow of incandescent lights back. Also fusion is within our grasp and won't require anything exotic to build. Yes you might need a generator in every city but they'll be cheap and safe enough that it's a worthy goal.

As to batteries, lithium is dumb. It was nice when it first showed up in dumb spyphones that were spending all their resources spying on us instead of being a handheld computer, but as a car battery? I am disillusioned and want no more lithium.
Carbon/carbon. Again; go for the gold anon. Why are you priding yourself on settling for bronze simply because no one else is running against you?
Anonymous
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>>393630
Aboitic oil theory is a load of shit. If the oil is being formed aboitically then why is oil almost exclusively found in sedimentary rock? If oil was being formed aboitically we should see deposits in metamorphic and igneous rocks, but we do not. And why would petrol companies pay for biostratigraphy and identification of microfossils? You think they do that for fun? No, it's because the fossils indicate the presence of oil. Get off of facebook and pick up a science textbook. Many universities including MIT have open courses online too.
Anonymous
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>>393630
I'm not entirely opposed to the idea of this theory, but is there any evidence for it? Have exhausted oil fields been replenished overtime? Have wells been refilled?
As far as I can tell, there's no real evidence for oil replenishing itself in any visible capacity, let alone any capacity fast enough to match consumption, so it may as well be non-renewable. Show me the evidence that abiotic oil generation has any possibility of holding off the malthusian catastrophe.
>>393636
Yeah, this.
Anonymous
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>>393608
>I don't see an issue in researching green energy, the issue is the forceful cramming down our societal throats
I mostly agree, but where I resent it is how it's being presented as a bootleg alternative to better options such as nuclear power. Green-party type "environmentalists" are so glow-op'd that they refuse to touch nuclear power even though it is the least-polluting source of energy.
>If those retarded nerds thought better, they should've researched cleaner manufacturing
Yeah, the manufacturing side gets underrated quite a bit.
Anonymous
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>>393644
What really needs to be researched is designs that actually last. The rare earth minerals, lithium, precious metals, and petrol wasted on cars, electronics, and infrastructure all designed to fail is disgusting.
Anonymous
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>>393644
>Green-party type "environmentalists" are so glow-op'd that they refuse to touch nuclear power
I see this sort of behaviour a lot, especially online. The arguments are all the same
>it's dangerous!
<As is anything if you aren't careful.
>chernobyl!
<Two slavs having a dick measuring contest.
>fukushima!
<An unfortunate act of God.
>environmental impact!
<Significantly less damaging than fossil fuels.
It's all rather quite silly. Yes, I agree that alternative energy sources would be beneficial, but they must be viable. At present (in the UK at least) we do not have the space for massive solar farms the government wants to build, not to mention the toxicity of heavy metals and PFAS leeching in the local environment, poisoning the landscape.
Wind turbines are a possibility, but not as a primary source. Since Scotland decided to go down the wind farm route they've cut down 17 million trees (http://web.archive.org/web/20250312024942/https://www.gov.scot/publications/eir-202400407867/). Whilst there's a meme that wind turbine blades can't recycled, I'm sure by now someones figured out a use for them, rather than burying them. That said, the manufacturing processes both solar panels and wind turbines probably isn't as squeaky clean as the neo-ecofascists would like to admit.
Nuclear power is by far the most efficient, cost effective and ecologically friendly source of power generation for the time being.
>>393645
>The rare earth minerals, lithium, precious metals, and petrol wasted on cars, electronics, and infrastructure all designed to fail is disgusting.
This pisses me off to no end. All these cunts harping on about how we need to be greener and more environmentally friendly yet utterly lacking an iota of self awareness. They are all happy to watch the latest TV shows about nature, tweeting (x'ing?) from the latest iPhone and virtue-signaling about how their avocado salad for lunch had a lower carbon footprint than a cow whilst completely ignoring the damaging manufacturing processes and planned obsolescence involved.
Anonymous
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>>393646
It really is strange how the environmental impact of planned obsolescence is almost never brought up in environmental discussions.
Anonymous
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>>393650
I mean, environmentalists do talk about overconsumption of commodity products quite a bit. Planned obsolescence is part of that.
Anonymous
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>>393646
I thought Scotland was building offshore wind turbines? As often as the seas get rough up north it seems like they'd make a decent amount of power. Generally rough sea comes with high wind.
Anonymous
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>>393651
I have never heard a serious proposal to regulate planned obsolescence or a serious push to regulate it.
Anonymous
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>>393653
There's Right To Repair: It's a growing movement, particularly in Europe.
On that note, make sure to support #StopKillingGames.
Anonymous
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>>393650
I've heard it mentioned during official talks, but never in casual conversation. People don't like to reminded that they've just entered a 4 year phone contract for the latest gadget, let alone the designed failure rate of white goods let alone lightbulbs.
>>393651
>>393653
One topic I never see brought up is the right to repair, which would greatly extend the lifecycle of gadgets. Louis Rossmann is making leaps and bounds with this, but most people are either not aware or just don't care.
If anyone's interested, Rossmanns just had a chat with the leader of StopKillingGames
>>393652
Still needs investment however (http://web.archive.org/web/20250215233458/https://www.crownestatescotland.com/scotlands-property/offshore-wind/scotwind-leasing-round)
Anonymous
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>>393654
Eerie
Anonymous
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>>393655
>I've heard it mentioned during official talks, but never in casual conversation. People don't like to reminded that they've just entered a 4 year phone contract for the latest gadget, let alone the designed failure rate of white goods let alone lightbulbs.
That's because a lot of planned obsolescence is in part fueled by American consoomer culture that demands that people put themselves in debt to have the latest shiny phone, and the public is largely complicit in screwing themselves. Marketing is one hell of a drug.
>Still needs investment however
All infrastructure needs investment, especially infrastructure built to last.
Anonymous
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>>393654
Fair. An other partial solution to the energy crisis is to simply used alternatives to petrol products like Siberian Dandelion or Guayule for latex and mycomaterials when possible.

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