/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

>>400712
2022 vibes. Totally different time, totally different war. Like eons has passed.

>>400715
Do you heard a story about The Count of Kharkov Monte-Cristo? Some unknown militant from ukrainian army, we found him chained to concrete post near road to Kharkov with RPG in arms and two empty tubes around. No visible wounds, maybe frozen to death. Next day the press make a story about this. Next two days some vtubber, then another. The snow has passed, the snow has melted, but this poor soul still chained there. I want to checks this place, when army group North finally throw back enemy from Kharkov outskirts.

>>400716
>That looks like fighters from the Mad Max movie.
And we have this video right on national TV. Just imagine, how press wriggled to explained this Gypsy Band to general public. Fucking hilarious.

>>400717
>Gypsy Band
Indeed.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8756970/ukrainian-marines-surrender-in-mariupol-russia-claims/
https://voennoedelo.com/en/posts/id4727-mass-surrenders-reported-among-ukraine-s-57th-brigade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JgwyTJIuD9A
new reports shows a massive surrender of Ukrainian soldiers at pokrovsk.
(allegedly) An entire platoon of Ukraine's 38th Marine Brigade surrendered south of Myrnohrad. They were completely isolated and abandoned by their commanders.
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At the same time some ukrainian news outlets claim that the videos related to the mass surrenders are all fake or AI generated
https://tsn.ua/en/ato/withdrawal-of-ukrainian-forces-from-pokrovsk-and-mass-surrender-russia-spreads-fake-videos-2955443.html

>>384684
>fuckboi mutt immigrant named WhoreCo Rube.io claims Jewnited Estates needs to send more weapons & ammunition to jewkraine
>Rube.io also claims that JewS must back jewkraine or else """you're a nazi"""
>fails to mention a kike in 1923 creates the term 'nazi' to mean: "a person whom knowingly, unknowingly, willing, AND/OR unwillingly supports (NA)tional (ZI)onism"
>claims Jewkraine needs moar petro-shekels to (((fight against nazis)))
>Rube.io screeches to AIPAC & ADL after his wife's real husband gets outed for being a methhead muttoid jew
>Rube.io tries to kvetch but gets told off by ADL that he's "not stirring the salad bowl hard enough"
>declines to answer ANY questions regarding anti-Constitutional activities by Louisiana state Sooper Troopers, Keystone Kopps, or Meal Team Six Gravy Squeals committing felonies on camera
>supports his wife's boyfriend's claims that pissrahell dindunuffinwrong

Fix'd all of that for you.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/11/18/world/europe/zelensky-russia-ukraine-talks-turkey.html
Zelensky Will Try to Revive Peace Talks With Russia During turkey visit.
https://news.az/news/us-holding-secret-peace-talks-with-moscow-to-end-russias-war-in-ukraine
U.S. holding secret peace talks with Moscow to end Russia’s war in Ukraine (not confirmed)
https://eadaily.com/en/news/2025/11/19/economist-witkoff-and-ermaks-talks-in-turkey-canceled
Economist: Witkoff and Ermak's talks in Turkey canceled (not confirmed)
Russian sites claim that due to corruption scandals in ukraine the meeting between them has been cancelled.
https://prm.ua/en/witkoff-and-yermaks-meeting-in-turkey-canceled-due-to-corruption-scandal-journalist/

Contradictory information is coming from all corners, but it seems that there are some sparkles of the peace that is about to be seen in future days.

>>400863
>Contradictory information is coming from all corners
Because is globohomo bullshit.
The parameters of any negotiation were established many years ago and the Russians named them Root Causes.
1) Ukraine will not be part of the EU or NATO.
2) Ukraine will commit to neutrality.
3) Ukraine will disarm and disband the army
4) A new government friendly to Moscow will take over.
5) America will remove the missile bases in Poland and Romania.
6) NATO will retreat to the German border.

>>400866
7) Giving the russian populated states back to russia
i know honestly i really hope this war to end.
soldiers are trapped in pokrovsk surrounded by death, and zelen tzu is doing nothing but live to his name to make it even worse.

i know that the whole war was because of retardation of Nato to push Ukraine ,a supposed neutral land that seperated Russia and Nato like a third wheel to join them, and despite constant warnings from putin, they didn't listen. fuck this planet and its elites honestly

>>400868
There is a conspiracy still more sinister that may explain why Putin is not taking Odessa and deny to what is left of Ukraine access to the sea.
Take a look >>358136 →

>>400869
so it comes back to (((Chosen ones))) again.
i am reading the comments on the video, so some of the Russians believe that the coup in Ukraine was under the influence of many hydra heads of the Jews to do a racial cleansing, so they started a war between slavs so they can create another khazarian region. does not help that the fact that zelen tzu is a jew, not sure how zio but nonetheless it is weird that he has to become the president of ukraine, a comedian actor.
interesting conspiracy,
i am not sure how to feel about it, on a hand i agree that the jews definitely have something to do with it on some extent., on the other hand i don't really want to believe jews are this much of strong villains that are powerfully will do whatever the fuck they want without any prevention.

but if it's true, this just adds another demonic bitumen ink to the long list of sins of rotten in hell jews. need another level of inferno worthy of their crimes.

>>400870
>Russians believe that the coup in Ukraine was under the influence of many hydra heads of the Jews to do a racial cleansing, so they started a war between slavs so they can create another khazarian region
>racial cleansing
Pretty much this. And if the Israel project fails and the jews need to evacuate, what better place than Ukraine that needs to be repopulated.

>>400863
>Contradictory information is coming from all corners
Well the explanation is out. The Russian government denies any negotiation and rumors point at a Russian official having talks with the Americans on his own, without any capacity or authorization; and it would look like this guy was chatting with the Americans on behalf of the (((Russian oligarchs))) to resume business as usual and therefore he leaked the American proposal to the media to press the issue in Russia. As expected, this Russian freelancer envoy was shunned by Putin on the spot.

>>400906
>video
that faggot nima is an iranian anti-US propagandist, do not listen to their shitty potcasts,i know it gives different view but it still is full of misinformation.
there are many of this low subscribed english channels made by my government.

>>400909
>that faggot nima is an iranian
I didn't know that, but I do know that he and most of his guests are anti-White.

>>400913
i would say anti-west, our propagandas are mostly ragional than being racial.
also avoid prof.marandi, danny haiphong, kim iversen, open minded reporter as well.
there are few indian news channels (wion ,timexp,indian times) as well that are for some reason very pro-iranian, pajeets usually shouldn't be like that ,so i suspect those are secretly funded by my gov.

>>400916
>i would say anti-west
I was referring to their views on White People refusing to integrate non-Whites or consider them as equals. The guests like to cry out raaaaaaaaaacism, like we give a damn about it.

>>400917
okay, just don't forget who is your enemy, i think that is a huge problem with many americans, they forget that russia,china and iran are still against everything they stand for and they will do their best harm you guys if they had a chance.
also remember, don't become soften just because me as an iranian act kindly and respectfuly , there are still a lots of jihadi-tards here that are blood thirsty toward western people (not just their government alone).
be careful.

>>400918
>they will do their best harm you guys if they had a chance.
I know, they don't like us a bit and fantasize on a vendetta.

>>400715
most of ukrainian/russian inner propaganda is in Telegram, not yt. yt mostly for boomers and foreigner boomers

>>400996
>Telegram
That's a no-no. You need a phone hard linked to a flesh and blood faggot and it is not possible to embed its videos in this board.

>>400996
using telegram for propaganda is useless cause 90 percent of the European won't use nor americans , unless you wanna shove it in russian's eyes.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2025/11/25/ukraine-peace-plan-us-russia/87461645007/
Ukraine agrees to the US peace plan
i am not sure if it is a EU modified version or not but seems like they're waiting if russia will agree to it as well. chances are chaotic but we'll see.
there is might be chance that finally this bloody war will be over.

>>401013
>Ukraine agrees to the US peace plan
I don't think Russia would agree.

>>384684
>Russia are now over 3 years into their 3 day special military operation with still no end in sight.
and all that's been accomplished is you kike fucks have murdered 100s of thousands or even millions of whites.

>>400906
>geopolitical analyst
where do you apply for this position? what are the prereq's? and what's the pay range?

>>401017
Some numbers.

>>401018
MSM has a lot of them and are portraited as "experts", I guess the position depends of who has the bag to pay the talking mouths.

>>384684
>>401019
I want to share my little investigation about this war from munition perspective.

In Russian military science we used term standard shell (SS) (Расчётный Боеприпас, РБ), which means most common 152-mm HE shell:
- 10 SS = 1 wounded (infantry in open terrain)
- 50 SS = 1 wounded (fortified infantry)
- 100 SS = 1 destroyed IFV/Tank (open terrain)
- 200 SS = 1 destroyed IFV/Tank (fortified)
This estimations from southern front in 2024. Most of targets, more than 90% are fortified infantry, fireteams of 2-4 soldiers. In USSR's artillery guides stated 150 SS/wounded for this type of targets. During World War 1 on the western front there is 32-43 SS/wounded for fortified infantry. Pretty similar situation, but only because of reconnaissance drones. This numbers are stable, because as soon as loses from some weapon leave 'comfortable' zone, the army react with various countermeasures. The homeostasis of war.

We have tables of various weapons, compared to standard shell:
- Ballistic missile (Iskander / ATACMS) = 300-600 SS
- Guided missile (Tornado / GMLRS) = 30-120 SS (×0.8 >15 km, ×0.4 >20 km)
- Sortie of Su-34 with 4 glide bombs = 300-600 SS (×0.6 >15 km, ×0.2 >20 km)
- Sortie of Ka-52 with LMUR missiles = 300 SS
- 152-mm guided shell (Krasnopol / Excalibur) = 20-50 SS (×0.6 >15 km)
- 152-mm cluster shell = 3 SS
- 152-mm HE shell = 1 SS
- 122-mm HE missile (Grad) = 0.7 SS
- 120-mm HE mortar shell = 0.6 SS
Electric warfare coefficient added for GMLRS and glide bombs, since both sides have strong EW-coverage after 15 and 20 km after frontline. Actually, there is a lot of coefficients (weather, interferences, recon, time, errors, etc), but if weapon less effective than mentioned range, then weapon will not be used in most of situations. The homeostasis, as I said.

Drones compared to standard shells:
- FPV-drone, fiber-optic = 9 SS (30 SS × 30% reached target)
- FPV-drone (2025) = 1.5 SS (30 SS × 5% reached target)
- FPV-drone (2024) = 2.5 SS (20-30 SS × 10% reached target)
- FPV-drone (2023) = 6 SS (10-30 SS × 30% reached target)
- Light multicopter (2024) = 2-4 SS (2-5 sorties lifespan)
- Heavy multicopter (2024) = 10-40 SS (5-7 sorties lifespan)
- Shahed / Geran = 50-100 shells (a little worse than glide bombs)
Currently reusable multicopters rarely used because of 5-10 km distance between sides, light ones can't reach target and return, heavy ones too slow and perfectly visible through thermal cameras of air defense drones. But multicopters are insane effective mine-layers, in 2022-2023 we had 30% losses from mines and most of them lied by multicopters.

Economy, prime cost of:
- 152-mm HE shell -- $500 dollars
- FPV-drone, basic -- 400-600 dollars
- FPV-drone, thermal -- 1000 dollars
- FPV-drone, fiber-optic -- 800 dollars
- FPV-drone, AI seeker -- 10k dollars
- Shahed / Geran, basic -- 5-10k dollars
- Shahed / Geran, GPS Comet -- 20k dollars
We have pretty good AI-seekers, but they used mostly with ordinary fiber-optic ambushes on the roads and for air defense drones. No one want to send swarm of expensive drones behind enemy lines, if you can't confirm hit.

All weapon have different capacities. Like 10 HE shells to destroy nets around hideout, then 6 fiber-optic drones to make sure that 2 of them reached target and second one check the result. Or 10 cluster shells to wound 2-3 of soldiers during rotation in the open terrain and then barrage of FPV-drones to kill slowed ones. Conversion to standard shells mostly used for operative planning, considering limitations of time and supply.

>>384684
>>401019
After collapse of Soviet Union about 40-60M artillery shells (50-80M abstract standard shells) with expiration 2017-2040 went to Russia, about 20M SS of them were stored in the depots before the war. In 2022 this war planned as artillery campaign with 3-6 months expectation and 12M SS allocated, which was spent in a 10 months from March 2022 to January 2023 (1.2M SS/month, 40k SS/day).

Standard shell expenses:
- Russia (2025) -- 36M SS (20% artillery, 50% aviation and shaheds, 40% FPV)
- Russia (2024) -- 23M SS (40% artillery, 40% aviation, 20% FPV and multicopters)
- Russia (2023) -- 18M SS (60% artillery, 30% aviation, 10% FPV and multicopters)
- Russia (2022) -- 17M SS (70% artillery, 30% aviation)
- Ukraine (2025) -- 12M SS (80% FPV, 10% multicopters, 10% artillery)
- Ukraine (2024) -- 7M SS (60% FPV, 20% multicopters, 20% artillery)
- Ukraine (2023) -- 10M SS (20% FPV, 30% multicopters, 50% artillery 1/6 GMLRS)
- Ukraine (2022) -- 4M (40% multicopters and infantry, 60% artillery 1/8 GMLRS)
This number quite tricky to estimate, I expected ±25% distortion, despite numerous sources. Major problem is drone conversion to standard shells. We know that Ukraine allocated 300k FPV-drones in 2023, 1.6M in 2024 and about 4.5M in 2025. Russia about 6M in 2025 with 10% fiber-optic type. Practically, FPV-drones is the new standard of measure. Also, in 2025 shaheds have share about 6M SS (34% of air strikes), they rapidly displace aviation for both long range and frontline strikes.

Artillery shell flows:
Russia (2025) -- 7M allocated, 6M produced, 1M from NK = 5-10M reserve.
Russia (2024) -- 9M allocated, 4.5M produced, 2-4M from NK, 0.3M Iran = 0-5M reserve.
Russia (2023) -- 11M allocated, 2.7-3.5M produced, 2-3M from NK = 3-5M reserve.
Russia (2022) -- 12M allocated, 1-2M produced = 9-10M reserve.
Russia (2021) -- 0.3M produced, 20M reserve.
Russia (1991) -- 2M produced, 50-80M reserve.
Ukraine (2024) -- 1M allocated, 2M USA and EU = 1-2M reserve.
Ukraine (2023) -- 3M allocated, 2M USA, 1M EU, 0.2 Pakistan = 0-1M reserve.
Ukraine (2022) -- 2M allocated, 1M USA (plus 6-12k GMLRS, 2-3k Excalibur) = 1M reserve.
Ukraine (2021) -- 3M reserve.
Ukraine (1991) -- 30M reserve.
To be exact, this is data from public sources, most of them not specify types of shells and even calibre. Hard to estimate number of correct standard shells, but ×1.3 multiplier can be used for 2023, since both sides started to use cluster shells and reserves of guided munition during counteroffensive.

About prewar US arsenals. In the 1994 USA had reserve of 23 million unguided artillery shells (105-mm M1 HE -- 9.7M; 155-mm M107 HE -- 3.8M; 155-mm M483A1 DPICM -- 5.4M) which similar to 27M SS in our classification. But modern US doctrine absolutely prefer aviation over artillery, the 2021 production of SCAAP degraded to 0.1M when ammo plant was designed for 2.4M shells yearly and barely recovered to 0.8M in 2025. So, stocks can be exhausted to 5-10M SS before the war. Guided weapon stock consist of 30-50k GMLRS, 10-24k Excalibur 5-16k Copperhead, 1600 ATACMS, which similar to 3-5M standard shells. I think most of stocked GMLRS was sent to this war, we started to notice 2023 production in early 2024.

>>384684
>>401019
Ukraine population about 33 million in 2021, pretty similar to 41.6 million France in 1914:
- 1914 France mobilized 2/12 million man 15-60 years (16.7%)
- 1917 France mobilized 7.9/9.5 million man (83%)
- 2022 Ukraine mobilized 0.7/12 million man 15-60 years (5.8%)
- 2025 Ukraine mobilized 1.9/7 million man 15-60 years (27%)
By 2025 Ukraine lost 7M refugees. Currently they have 9M workforce (both man and woman) and 0.5M of them still possible to mobilize.

Russian army in Ukraine:
- February 2022 -- 150k (+120k contractors during summer, +230k reservists at the end of year)
- January 2023 -- 300-370k (+540k contractors, mostly from reservists, during year)
- January 2024 -- 520-700k (+490k contractors and volunteers during year)
- January 2025 -- 600-650k (+??? contractors)
Total 625/1530k, 41% of mentioned numbers, 1.5/38 million man 15-60 years (4%).

Expected losses:
- Ukraine (2022-2025) -- 2.5M wounded (352k killed, 504k crippled)
- Ukraine (2025) -- 860k wounded (120k killed, 172k crippled)
- Ukraine (2024) -- 660k wounded (92k killed, 132k crippled)
- Ukraine (2023) -- 510k wounded (71k killed, 102k crippled)
- Ukraine (2022) -- 490k wounded (69k killed, 98k crippled)
- Russia (2022-2025) -- 940k wounded (134k killed, 188k crippled)
- Russia (2025) -- 340k wounded (50k killed, 68k crippled)
- Russia (2024) -- 200k wounded (28k killed, 40k crippled)
- Russia (2023) -- 290k wounded (41k killed, 58k crippled)
- Russia (2022) -- 110k wounded (15k killed, 22k crippled)
I do not have data for each year and used best available from 2024 for both sides. Currently we have more killed per wounded, because of heavy fiber-optic drones compared to 2024, but statistics for 2025 still not available.

Both sides have about 1 killed per 7 losses (2 times less compared to World War 2 mostly because of body armor), 40% of wounds are heavy and 50% of heavy wounds means amputation. The TOOORNERS are insane. Not all amputations means leg or hand, of course, but the tourniquets are some kind of Nurgle-level demonic mind-virus (even Jews currently suffer from it!) The hemostatics is second mind-virus, ×5 times more complicated wounds, acid-like burns, even embolia, when soldiers too lazy for tamponade. Also, both sides suffer with delayed medical evacuation, but not like in late 2024. Land drones replaced medical evacuation teams. If wound can be stabilized for 48 hours, then wounded will be saved for sure, but sometimes by the cost of risky false attack to distract enemy from medevac.

Now some stats from psychological perspective. Ukraine have minor desertion problem, 24k in 2023 and 90k in 2024. Russian army suffer from desertion much worse, 41/150k in 2022, 27% of initial forces. But we have different kind of desertion: "Fuck all of this" after month or two of frontline, but then "Nope, we haven't finished yet" after few months of civil life. Some soldiers already make a third way through this hopeless cycle. The ukrainians withe their propaganda helps a lot, their call centers are insane. The 1 billion of phone calls in 2023, hundreds of thousands victims, mostly grandparents. This is engine of rage. And quite suspicious method. Do they really need it? This is really their national entertainment, or influence of third force, who used simple-minded and desperate population, ready to work in call center to prolong their refugee status.

I know who is responsible for this phone calls and leaks from government databases. We all know. They will be next.

Singing no khokhol (ukrop) in sigh.

>>384684
>>401026
Also, territorial component:
- 5 km after frontline is "grey zone". Since most of FPV drones have fight radius of 10 km and speed of 1-2 km/minute, there is nothing: no soldiers, no vehicle, no activity. Except zones of operations like Pokrovsk.
- 5-10 km is zone of attrition. About 5-15 soldiers per square kilometer, 70% of all drone and artillery strikes against them. Soldiers have rotation after 7-14 days and in this time they dig the dugouts like moles.
- 10-15 km is artillery zone. Howitzers have fire range of 15-20 km, most of them have positions in this zone, as well as tanks and infantry reserves. About 20% of all strikes against this zone.
- 15-20 km is supply zone. Numerous hideouts with ammunition, battalion command center, bikes on the roads. Still dangerous zone, 10% of all strikes, but this strikes much less effective because of EW and air defense coverage.

In 2025 we used about 36M SS per year, 100k SS per day, 65 standard shells per kilometer of frontline. This means 1 wounded infantry soldier (1/100 of company) per day in 5-10 km zone and 30% chance of wound for drivers and artillery crews in following zones. May be ×3 times more during active operations like Pokrovsk or much less in calm places like most of positions on southern and northern fronts, where we have 5-10 km of empty fields and mined treelines between sides.

We have about 150 soldiers in infantry battalions per kilometer of frontline, 225k line infantry. Also about 50k stormtroopers in deeper zone. The other 2/3 of army are supply, engineering, long range artillery and drone, air defense, electric warfare, intelligence, military police. Then reserves to replace 1% of infantry every day, since rare maniacs willing to play this roulette after 1-2 wounds. Infantry suffer 80% of strikes, which means inevitable wound for most of them. Chance of death for line infantry is 15% for 2025 year and 1.2% for other units. Ukraine suffer ×3 pressure, their remarkable steadfast infantry already degraded to shadow of former self, but their drone units can compensate this weakness at least in defense.

Quite sad, that in entire internet we do not have a single piece of operative level military expertise. At least in numerical form. The sources are scarce, combinatorics forgotten, and looks like most of officers too lazy to be curious about entire situation, expect their small part of frontline. Sometimes I make data dumps of military-related blogs and forums to extract posts with numbers and terms. But there is nothing scientific, nothing at all.

If you are military (I know, you scan the internet for terms and numbers just like me) you can be a little more unwary with your professional knowledge. This war will be finished, but military history will remain. War is not art. War is not squad company tactics. War is not about maps. War is the science about logistic, pressure and time.

>>401055
Pinche nigga

https://www.reuters.com/world/russias-putin-told-frontline-liberation-pokrovsk-vovchansk-kremlin-says-2025-12-01/
Pokrovsk has fallen.
Kremlin claims the capture of Pokrovsk and Vovchansk

Behold manmade horrors beyond our comprehension. The new Gerbera, shahed-like drone with 25 kg weight, 5 kg payload, 500 km range and AI-seeker, capable to react to incoming gunfire. Prime cost about 5-10k dollars.

>>401122
what iran army was thinking when they came up with those shahed drones.
joke aside these are very deadly and useful while being hella cheap.

>>401123
Iranian engineering school are cool, especially in hardest military art to make things cheap. With assemblage cost about 50 man-hours and full production cost between 250-500 man-hours there is just no competitors. I heard that jews spends 1000 man-hours for similar type of drones.

Original shaheds surprisingly steady against air defense because of sponge-like fuel tanks, where air pressure of wind during flight used to inject fuel into engine. Their speed and form imitate low clouds on the radar, when shaheds fly about 100 meters above cloud layer they not so easy to aim for air defense, especially black ones, with radar-absorbent coating. This is why ukrainians used acoustic detectors and jets with gunfire in dangerously short range instead of quite numerous air-to-air missiles. And to make things totally unfair we started to attach old R-60 missiles on some remote-controlled shaheds against light airplanes and use AI-seeker for swarm coordination and evasive maneuvers. The AI sees stripes on the wings and use this patterns for coordination. If one of drones was destroyed the whole group immediately change course and altitude.

Both sides copy advanced tactics and engineering ideas from each other every single day. I think, daily drone barrage will become normal part of life in following years. Actually, this is either diplomatic agreement, or some Kremlin black magic, that ukrainian drones still failed to attack Moscow.

Also, interesting, how cata-eaters from Yemen chuckles when sees our warbands of wasteland bikers. Literally the most modern infantry for most advanced war.

>>401125
>And to make things totally unfair we started to attach old R-60 missiles on some remote-controlled shaheds against light airplanes
This is confirmed by the Moskal internet.

HOERS UNDER ATTACK.

Ukrainians LURE military recruiter from his Nikolaev home then SHOOT HIM.

>>401676
As we approach year five of the seventy-two-hour "special military operation," I would like to take this opportunity to observe that everybody wants to recreate the Soviet Empire until it's time to do Soviet things. СУКА БЛЯТ!

>>401711
I heard that there is discontent inside Russia as the rich kids don't enroll in the army and in every town there are less men available to work, be for fighting in Ukraine or for being already dead. All which creates the need to import foreign workers to fill positions. Then the creeping discontent.

Otaku meme warfare just got real among ruskie soldiers.

>>402021
Kek

News about some eliminated NATO fighters.

Naval drone warfare with fiber-optic FPV:
https://files.catbox.moe/jtun11.mp4

>>402288
>"eliminated NATO fighters"
>no photos or names for confirmation
>...
>.ru news domain
that checks out

Kiev's copium.

Watching the Russia-Ukraine war is like watching two bums kick the shit out of each other over a bottle of cheap vodka. Basically two burnt-out alcoholic train wrecks are fighting to the death over something that most people would consider completely stupid and not worth fighting about, but each bum is convinced that he has a moral right to that bottle of McCormick's and neither one of them will back down. Meanwhile a crowd is gathering all around them, mostly because watching two bums fight to the death is a spectacle you don't get to see every day. The bums now believe that just because they have an audience, it means their conflict has some kind of macro significance to the world at large. So in addition to kicking the shit out of each other, they each try to make a moral case for why they, and not the other bum, deserve to be the sole owner of this half-empty 750 ml bottle of hobo-mouthwash. People start getting into the fun of it, taking sides and placing bets and having arguments with each other over whether the vodka rightfully belongs to Bum #1 or Bum #2. Sooner or later one of the bums will do the other one in. Either that, or both bums will keel over from exhaustion. It is entirely possible that both of them will die and neither one will get the bottle of vodka. However it ends, once it does, for a very brief moment, we will all feel a little bad about ourselves. Then the world will move on.

>>406134
>Basically two burnt-out alcoholic train wrecks are fighting to the death over something that most people would consider completely stupid and not worth fighting about
Ew, no.
Your statement is utter ignorant about the "root causes": NATO expansion toward the Russian border.

>>406142
NATO is a useless alliance that finished serving its purpose 30 years ago, and yes, they obviously provoked the war. That doesn’t mean that Russia is automatically noble or worth supporting. It’s okay to not pick a side.