https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c20x5xn1g92o
US Secretary of State Marco Rubio has warned that the United States will abandon trying to broker a Russia-Ukraine peace deal unless clear signs that a truce can be reached appear soon.
"We're not going to continue with this endeavour for weeks and months on end," Rubio said, adding that the US had "other priorities to focus on".
Russia are now over 3 years into their 3 day special military operation with still no end in sight.
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need to stop supplying weapons and it will be over in about 3 months
>>384684
>the United States will abandon trying to broker a Russia-Ukraine peace deal unless clear signs that a truce can be reached appear soon
To begin with, Trump has no cards to play in this game.
And the peace deal is propaganda, the Americans want a cease fire, the Russians a final perpetual peace, even if they have to kill everyone. In other words Victory.
According Mr Putin, the beef between Russia and NATO will be solved when NATO retreats to the 1997 borders, that means Germany. That said, the Russians are not in a hurry because they know Europe is finished economically and demographically. According to projections, by 2050 the French Nation will be a distant idea and Germany and England perhaps sooner.
On the side of America, Mr Trump is fucking everything up by lying to the voters and refusing to actually cut expending on the bureacracy/military complex and instead raising money with tariff indirect taxes to finance the same shit as previous presidents, all while chest thumping on the quest to attack Iran and China. Totally clownword.
>the United States will abandon trying to broker a Russia-Ukraine peace deal unless clear signs that a truce can be reached appear soon
To begin with, Trump has no cards to play in this game.
And the peace deal is propaganda, the Americans want a cease fire, the Russians a final perpetual peace, even if they have to kill everyone. In other words Victory.
According Mr Putin, the beef between Russia and NATO will be solved when NATO retreats to the 1997 borders, that means Germany. That said, the Russians are not in a hurry because they know Europe is finished economically and demographically. According to projections, by 2050 the French Nation will be a distant idea and Germany and England perhaps sooner.
On the side of America, Mr Trump is fucking everything up by lying to the voters and refusing to actually cut expending on the bureacracy/military complex and instead raising money with tariff indirect taxes to finance the same shit as previous presidents, all while chest thumping on the quest to attack Iran and China. Totally clownword.
I'm so fucking sick of everyone making this shitty ass proxy war everyone's problem. Nations should honestly stop supporting Ukraine or Russia all together.
>>384684
Zelensky wants all the Ukranians dead. Peace will never be achieved as long as the cocaine hog remains (in power).
Zelensky wants all the Ukranians dead. Peace will never be achieved as long as the cocaine hog remains (in power).
>>384684
Why would Russia even bother negotiating? Ukraine is going to lose without support from the U.S. and then Russia can get everything it wants.
Why would Russia even bother negotiating? Ukraine is going to lose without support from the U.S. and then Russia can get everything it wants.
>>384697
We have the only cards to play. Ukraine isn't going to last a week without US aide, we can cut their coms, and even at maximum output the entirety of Europe would only be able to supply about half the support that the US can.
The Jewish comedian is just willing to lose every man woman and child in Russia to maintain his image as a tough guy.
We have the only cards to play. Ukraine isn't going to last a week without US aide, we can cut their coms, and even at maximum output the entirety of Europe would only be able to supply about half the support that the US can.
The Jewish comedian is just willing to lose every man woman and child in Russia to maintain his image as a tough guy.
>>384684
Ukraine is either going to be our bitch or Russia's, this is the most pointless retarded and gay war ever.
Ukraine is either going to be our bitch or Russia's, this is the most pointless retarded and gay war ever.
>>384941
It's not like he would somehow have have his '91 borders and reparations in 666 godzillion dollars because Trump and the Reps like him (they don't).
It's not like he would somehow have have his '91 borders and reparations in 666 godzillion dollars because Trump and the Reps like him (they don't).
>>384967
>He will abandon Ukraine because Putin told him to.
Nope. Trump will exit Ukraine because America lost the war. The cease fire deal is absurd because America is co-belligerent in the conflict and not a neutral party. Another reason of leaving is that America is scrapping the button of the warehouses because ran out of weapons and has no capacity to produce more. Add to that that America is on a schedule to deliver the Iran war to Israel and then by 2028, the war with China for the American banksters.
>He will abandon Ukraine because Putin told him to.
Nope. Trump will exit Ukraine because America lost the war. The cease fire deal is absurd because America is co-belligerent in the conflict and not a neutral party. Another reason of leaving is that America is scrapping the button of the warehouses because ran out of weapons and has no capacity to produce more. Add to that that America is on a schedule to deliver the Iran war to Israel and then by 2028, the war with China for the American banksters.
All I'm reading in this is Trump telling Zelensky to fuck off if he will keep being stubborn and a greenlight for Putin to win.
Well, hello, this is a pony with a weird two-color flag reporting. So to speak, an opinion from the first hooves from the front row of this tragicomedy of a farce, multiplied by a circus performance. My country is fucked in any scenario. While the US first helped both morally and physically, and then suddenly decided that they were tired of being the leading country on the planet, a quiet but distinct fuck-up happened in Ukraine. The country "put on eternal pause" the constitution, human rights, common sense. The slave trade has flourished in the country, and corruption (which has been the foundation of the country for more than 30 years) has reached such levels that African countries will still have to learn and adopt from us. Zelensky has seized power completely. There is no opposition in the country. At all. None. Not even a hint. Now it's a new Putin, but small, compact and with the voice of a sniffing drug addict. The people are left to survive between ballistic missile strikes and attempts to get to the nearest store, bypassing patrols of human hunters.
Ukraine no longer exists. It is the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which is fighting for the money of its enslaver with the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic. That's how it is.
Ukraine no longer exists. It is the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which is fighting for the money of its enslaver with the Russian Soviet Socialist Republic. That's how it is.
>>385174
do you have any plans about leaving the country? From what I know it's a matter of $10k just for the border control
>Russian Soviet Socialist Republic
aksuali it's RSFSR
do you have any plans about leaving the country? From what I know it's a matter of $10k just for the border control
>Russian Soviet Socialist Republic
aksuali it's RSFSR
>>385174
>and then suddenly decided that they were tired of being the leading country on the planet
I believe that the real story is a bit more complicated. The Americans are facing bankruptcy and had a plan to take over the natural resources of Russia and then to take control of the Chinese factories, all which would transform America in the master of the universe in the XXI century.
Unfortunately, the Russian part flopped badly and the Chinese part doesn't look like is going to pan out well either.
>Ukraine... That's how it is.
I remember Maidan and the 2014/2015 bombings of civilians in Donbass. The ukro hatred for the moskals came back like a boomerang. Just saying.
>and then suddenly decided that they were tired of being the leading country on the planet
I believe that the real story is a bit more complicated. The Americans are facing bankruptcy and had a plan to take over the natural resources of Russia and then to take control of the Chinese factories, all which would transform America in the master of the universe in the XXI century.
Unfortunately, the Russian part flopped badly and the Chinese part doesn't look like is going to pan out well either.
>Ukraine... That's how it is.
I remember Maidan and the 2014/2015 bombings of civilians in Donbass. The ukro hatred for the moskals came back like a boomerang. Just saying.
>>385176
>do you have any plans about leaving the country?
The problem is that no country wants them anymore and see them as a terrorist threat.
>do you have any plans about leaving the country?
The problem is that no country wants them anymore and see them as a terrorist threat.
>>385180
To be fair though, that's also how the rest of the world views Americans.
There will be nowhere to flee to when (((they))) are finished looting the treasury and the hollow shell thet remains collapses under the weight of its own hypocrisy.
To be fair though, that's also how the rest of the world views Americans.
There will be nowhere to flee to when (((they))) are finished looting the treasury and the hollow shell thet remains collapses under the weight of its own hypocrisy.
>>385174
So... you guys jumped around and found out.
What happened with "we can do that again if we don't like the new president"?
As a "moskal'" I can only say "told you so".
But that's in general.
What about you specifially, got any way out of this?
So... you guys jumped around and found out.
What happened with "we can do that again if we don't like the new president"?
As a "moskal'" I can only say "told you so".
But that's in general.
What about you specifially, got any way out of this?
>>385174
a missionary I know lived in ukraine for ~40 years, moved out shortly after. He still has all his contacts over there. I could give you his email address if you want.
There was also a pony matrix server that was hosted over there in ukraine on a raspberry pie or something. sunbutt.faith
https://web.archive.org/web/20210128012455/https://sunbutt.faith/InnerEq.org I hope that guy is alright.
a missionary I know lived in ukraine for ~40 years, moved out shortly after. He still has all his contacts over there. I could give you his email address if you want.
There was also a pony matrix server that was hosted over there in ukraine on a raspberry pie or something. sunbutt.faith
https://web.archive.org/web/20210128012455/https://sunbutt.faith/InnerEq.org I hope that guy is alright.
>>385191
>I could give you his email address if you want.
Don't be naive. SBU glowniggers are crawling these boards.
>I could give you his email address if you want.
Don't be naive. SBU glowniggers are crawling these boards.
>>385194
Ukraine was always a jewish enclave.
That's why the tsars carried out their pogroms there.
That's why Stalin repeatedly curb-stomped the region.
That's why they were the first territory to break away from the collapse of the USSR.
That's why there's an ongoing shitflinging contest there since 2014.
Well, that and NATO encroachment.
Ukraine was always a jewish enclave.
That's why the tsars carried out their pogroms there.
That's why Stalin repeatedly curb-stomped the region.
That's why they were the first territory to break away from the collapse of the USSR.
That's why there's an ongoing shitflinging contest there since 2014.
Well, that and NATO encroachment.
>>385179
>>2014/2015 bombings of civilians in Donbass
Stop eating propaganda. It's already a meme about "8 лет донбили бамбас"
>>385176
45k was in 2024 now it's more like 60+
And yes I am leaving. My terrible health is a bonus in this situation. So I am "Unfit for military service with exclusion from military service" I spent 3 years collecting all the documents and proving it.
>>385182
>>So... you guys jumped around and found out.
It would have happened anyway. Putler has an open anal wound from the collapse of the Soviet Union, and this devil will stop at nothing to heal it.
>>385191
Thank you
>>385192
They are more busy persecuting rebellious bloggers and taking away other people's property.
>>385196
Yes, yes, that's why strategic bombers have been redeployed to a new base and are being equipped with missiles. Putin is a Satanist, he jerks off to war crimes on church holidays.
>>385203
oy vey, have you seen my missing free shekel yet?
>>385194
Of all of them, only Zelensky is Jewish. But even the Jews hate him fiercely.
>>2014/2015 bombings of civilians in Donbass
Stop eating propaganda. It's already a meme about "8 лет донбили бамбас"
>>385176
45k was in 2024 now it's more like 60+
And yes I am leaving. My terrible health is a bonus in this situation. So I am "Unfit for military service with exclusion from military service" I spent 3 years collecting all the documents and proving it.
>>385182
>>So... you guys jumped around and found out.
It would have happened anyway. Putler has an open anal wound from the collapse of the Soviet Union, and this devil will stop at nothing to heal it.
>>385191
Thank you
>>385192
They are more busy persecuting rebellious bloggers and taking away other people's property.
>>385196
Yes, yes, that's why strategic bombers have been redeployed to a new base and are being equipped with missiles. Putin is a Satanist, he jerks off to war crimes on church holidays.
>>385203
oy vey, have you seen my missing free shekel yet?
>>385194
Of all of them, only Zelensky is Jewish. But even the Jews hate him fiercely.
>>385223
>Pay 60k to leave your country
I feel like we're going to be in the same boat soon, minus the war.
>Pay 60k to leave your country
I feel like we're going to be in the same boat soon, minus the war.
>>385239
I'm not sure about UK but UA officially stops all male citizens from leaving the country
(you can obviously bribe your way out of the country, see Papich)
I'm not sure about UK but UA officially stops all male citizens from leaving the country
(you can obviously bribe your way out of the country, see Papich)
>>385194
<Kravchuk
>Attributing the global HIV pandemic
>Pointing out something common across all post-Soviet states at the time
<Kuchma
>Glossing over (i.e. not mentioning) the Russian aspect of the Multi-Vector Policy
>"Look, they trained their soldiers with some of the strongest armies there are!!"
<Yushchenko
>2010 - Orange revolution (it was in 2004)
>"We call our opponents Jewrope (ignore the above part where we don't do that), so they must indeed by Jews!"
>Mentions BLM despite it only starting ~2013
>"Banned Holocaust deniers" (actually happened in 2021, whereas the Russian equivalent of the law was passed ~2014)
>"Proclaimed Holodomor as genocide" (>>>/leftypol/)
<Yanukovych
>Forgetting he's in Russia right now
>"Muh Bandera!" (ignores that Yanukovych stripped away his Hero of Ukraine award)
>Glossing over how diverse (politically) Euromaidan was (including right-wing organisations like the Right Sector)
<Poroshenko
>"Look, now we're spelling Bandera as Transdera!"
>"Allowed LGBTQ" (he just let one random march happen, not his best moment to be honest)
>Implying Ukies started the war in Bombas
<Zelensky (the only actual Jew)
>"Allowed transhit for children" (being a tranny is still considered a mental illness)
>Implying Ruskies killing Ukies is somehow the fault of Ukies
>"Kikes are fighting alongside the right-wing units!" (only source I could find is some Kike article denying the accusations)
>"Bandera Values" (whatever those are supposed to be)
>"Cocaine addicted" (he was talking about coffee, look it up)
>"Allowed gay marriage" (hasn't been legalised yet)
>"Banned Orthodox [...] Churches" (only banned the Russian one, just follow a different patriarch for fuck's sake)
>Gay(n't)
>"Infinite gay funerals and [etc.]" (if referring to actual fags, wouldn't this be a good thing? If referring to regular soldiers, do you really think they support the fags?)
>>385174
No matter what happens after the war, another election will be held. As long as he's not reelected (assuming he even goes for a second term), his fuck-ups can be undone in time.
<Kravchuk
>Attributing the global HIV pandemic
>Pointing out something common across all post-Soviet states at the time
<Kuchma
>Glossing over (i.e. not mentioning) the Russian aspect of the Multi-Vector Policy
>"Look, they trained their soldiers with some of the strongest armies there are!!"
<Yushchenko
>2010 - Orange revolution (it was in 2004)
>"We call our opponents Jewrope (ignore the above part where we don't do that), so they must indeed by Jews!"
>Mentions BLM despite it only starting ~2013
>"Banned Holocaust deniers" (actually happened in 2021, whereas the Russian equivalent of the law was passed ~2014)
>"Proclaimed Holodomor as genocide" (>>>/leftypol/)
<Yanukovych
>Forgetting he's in Russia right now
>"Muh Bandera!" (ignores that Yanukovych stripped away his Hero of Ukraine award)
>Glossing over how diverse (politically) Euromaidan was (including right-wing organisations like the Right Sector)
<Poroshenko
>"Look, now we're spelling Bandera as Transdera!"
>"Allowed LGBTQ" (he just let one random march happen, not his best moment to be honest)
>Implying Ukies started the war in Bombas
<Zelensky (the only actual Jew)
>"Allowed transhit for children" (being a tranny is still considered a mental illness)
>Implying Ruskies killing Ukies is somehow the fault of Ukies
>"Kikes are fighting alongside the right-wing units!" (only source I could find is some Kike article denying the accusations)
>"Bandera Values" (whatever those are supposed to be)
>"Cocaine addicted" (he was talking about coffee, look it up)
>"Allowed gay marriage" (hasn't been legalised yet)
>"Banned Orthodox [...] Churches" (only banned the Russian one, just follow a different patriarch for fuck's sake)
>Gay(n't)
>"Infinite gay funerals and [etc.]" (if referring to actual fags, wouldn't this be a good thing? If referring to regular soldiers, do you really think they support the fags?)
>>385174
No matter what happens after the war, another election will be held. As long as he's not reelected (assuming he even goes for a second term), his fuck-ups can be undone in time.
>>385223
>It would have happened anyway.
You could have had a normal election in a month or two and Yanukivhch would have lost. The whole maidan is an artificial escalation
>It would have happened anyway.
You could have had a normal election in a month or two and Yanukivhch would have lost. The whole maidan is an artificial escalation
>>385259
>>another election will be held
There will be no elections. Elections for Zelensky mean losing power. And now he has ALL the power in the country. Absolute. At the same time, there is no opposition. Who will force him to hold elections? No one. Who will force him to stop the war even under enslaving conditions for Ukraine? Elections and loss of power are his death. He will wriggle like a snake until the last Ukrainian.
>>385272
>>You could have had a normal election in a month or two and Yanukivhch would have lost. The whole maidan is an artificial escalation
You forget that in Ukraine itself there were and are oligarchs who took one side or the other. There was an initial spark (the cops beat up the students on the Maidan), and then this spark was picked up and fanned into a revolution. Just like with Floyd and BLM
>>385259
>>Muh Bandera
I am half Russian and half Moldovan, and I have never cared about these Banderas.
Ukraine got what it had been working towards throughout its entire period of independence with its eyes wide closed.
This in no way cancels the genocide of Ukrainians, by the hands of Russians and Ukrainians themselves. Everything here is very cursed, Anon.
>>another election will be held
There will be no elections. Elections for Zelensky mean losing power. And now he has ALL the power in the country. Absolute. At the same time, there is no opposition. Who will force him to hold elections? No one. Who will force him to stop the war even under enslaving conditions for Ukraine? Elections and loss of power are his death. He will wriggle like a snake until the last Ukrainian.
>>385272
>>You could have had a normal election in a month or two and Yanukivhch would have lost. The whole maidan is an artificial escalation
You forget that in Ukraine itself there were and are oligarchs who took one side or the other. There was an initial spark (the cops beat up the students on the Maidan), and then this spark was picked up and fanned into a revolution. Just like with Floyd and BLM
>>385259
>>Muh Bandera
I am half Russian and half Moldovan, and I have never cared about these Banderas.
Ukraine got what it had been working towards throughout its entire period of independence with its eyes wide closed.
This in no way cancels the genocide of Ukrainians, by the hands of Russians and Ukrainians themselves. Everything here is very cursed, Anon.
>>385223
>Stop eating propaganda. It's already a meme about "8 лет донбили бамбас"
Yeah right, it's not like half of the country didn't hate the other one's guts for 20 years before that and it wasn't excerbated by the gubbermint laundering money while refusing to standardize the Ukrainian language and keeping Russian as an another official language.
Донбасс не бомбили, но даже если таки бомбили то это потому что клятые соскали это заслужили. И вообще они там все агенты Путлерморта.
>Stop eating propaganda. It's already a meme about "8 лет донбили бамбас"
Yeah right, it's not like half of the country didn't hate the other one's guts for 20 years before that and it wasn't excerbated by the gubbermint laundering money while refusing to standardize the Ukrainian language and keeping Russian as an another official language.
Донбасс не бомбили, но даже если таки бомбили то это потому что клятые соскали это заслужили. И вообще они там все агенты Путлерморта.
If you ask me about the reason of the whole jazz, it's fucking Srushev's fault. Because of him, all the Galician bantuderafags, which were granted amnesty, became CPSU members raving about communism in two more weeks and friendshit of peoples right until the USSR shat the bed, then immediately became the biggest anti-Russian shills out there. Farion was a CPSU member btw.
Exact same shit with Spratland, too.
Exact same shit with Spratland, too.
Fuck Zelensky, there will never be peace until he is swinging from a lamppost.
>>385360
At first it was just grumbling of Western Ukrainians (Galicians) and now it has grown into real fascism. Like if you don't speak Ukrainian you are not a person and an enemy. And this schizophrenia is only growing.
Divide people, scare them and you will get a controlled herd with which you can do anything.
>>385394
So bucking true and based
At first it was just grumbling of Western Ukrainians (Galicians) and now it has grown into real fascism. Like if you don't speak Ukrainian you are not a person and an enemy. And this schizophrenia is only growing.
Divide people, scare them and you will get a controlled herd with which you can do anything.
>>385394
So bucking true and based
>>385478
>ranting about fascism on /mlpol/ of all places
In either way, say there's no more Zelensky. Who does that leave you with? Poroshenko, Zaluzhny, Budanov? At "best", you may get a socialist in charge. Doesn't matter who's in charge, the policy regarding war isn't changing.
>ranting about fascism on /mlpol/ of all places
In either way, say there's no more Zelensky. Who does that leave you with? Poroshenko, Zaluzhny, Budanov? At "best", you may get a socialist in charge. Doesn't matter who's in charge, the policy regarding war isn't changing.
>>385490
>>Doesn't matter who's in charge, the policy regarding war isn't changing.
And this is the saddest thing about this situation. The country is finished.
>>Doesn't matter who's in charge, the policy regarding war isn't changing.
And this is the saddest thing about this situation. The country is finished.
>>385494
is there an option to move to russia or some other country? work at a Pon Pushka close by in one of the other countries?
is there an option to move to russia or some other country? work at a Pon Pushka close by in one of the other countries?
>>385223
>Stop eating propaganda.
Frankly, I prefer russian propaganda to ukrainian propaganda. Does that offend you? I hope it does. Maybe your stupid faggot leader shouldn't have come to the god damn White House and directly threaten the American people; talking mad shit about how "it's easy when there's an between the continents" and how "the war will reach the US" while not even wearing fucking suit. Fuck you Zelensky, the war will end on your doorstep and that's fucking that. That threat was where your epic card meme came from by the way, which you stole from President Trump like the kike piggy you are. Ukraine nationals in other countries ARE terrorists and legitimate security risks because they WILL try and start shit once Ukraine is finally dead and buried and they will be put down by the law.
>Stop eating propaganda.
Frankly, I prefer russian propaganda to ukrainian propaganda. Does that offend you? I hope it does. Maybe your stupid faggot leader shouldn't have come to the god damn White House and directly threaten the American people; talking mad shit about how "it's easy when there's an between the continents" and how "the war will reach the US" while not even wearing fucking suit. Fuck you Zelensky, the war will end on your doorstep and that's fucking that. That threat was where your epic card meme came from by the way, which you stole from President Trump like the kike piggy you are. Ukraine nationals in other countries ARE terrorists and legitimate security risks because they WILL try and start shit once Ukraine is finally dead and buried and they will be put down by the law.
>>385174
I've heard that some ukrainians literally go into prostitution rings to go out of the country. Apparently, some are ready to be a (gay) prostitute in my shithole of a city just to not get bombed by russians.
It's sad, but it does apparently very well in terms of revenue. Much to the delight of the lebanese and corsican mafias.
If anything, Ukraine sure looks like it has a future in human trafficking, a promising industry to be sure.
Also, I know it's easy when to say when I don't live in the country, but a leader taking a more authoritarian hand during a war is not only normal, it's necessary, no? I'm not even pro ukrainian, but it does seem normal that Zelensky consolidates it's grasp on power to win the war, even if he isn't going to win it.
I've heard that some ukrainians literally go into prostitution rings to go out of the country. Apparently, some are ready to be a (gay) prostitute in my shithole of a city just to not get bombed by russians.
It's sad, but it does apparently very well in terms of revenue. Much to the delight of the lebanese and corsican mafias.
If anything, Ukraine sure looks like it has a future in human trafficking, a promising industry to be sure.
Also, I know it's easy when to say when I don't live in the country, but a leader taking a more authoritarian hand during a war is not only normal, it's necessary, no? I'm not even pro ukrainian, but it does seem normal that Zelensky consolidates it's grasp on power to win the war, even if he isn't going to win it.
If quads, war ends before 2026 with Putin engaging in the zigger tradition of becoming an hero, every Russian being dragged into the streets and shot, and Zelensky denouncing his Jewish heritage and giving control of the country to Azov Battalion, who then take over Europe. Oh, and every nigger dying.
>>385478
>At first it was just grumbling of Western Ukrainians (Galicians) and now it has grown into real fascism
Not Fascism, but Jewish Totalitarianism. They are not the same, the former is meant to serve The People, the later to serve the jewry.
>At first it was just grumbling of Western Ukrainians (Galicians) and now it has grown into real fascism
Not Fascism, but Jewish Totalitarianism. They are not the same, the former is meant to serve The People, the later to serve the jewry.
>>385223
>Stop eating propaganda. It's already a meme about "8 лет донбили бамбас"
The Ukrainian crimes against civilians are widely documented and you are not going to deceive us.
For example:
Ukraine on Fire: The Real Story – 2014 Full Documentary by Oliver Stone
https://rumble.com/v4a5n5t-ukraine-on-fire-the-real-story-2014-full-documentary-by-oliver-stone.html
Or taking a look at the separatist militias and their fighters: Strelkov, Motorola, Givi, Batman.
>Stop eating propaganda. It's already a meme about "8 лет донбили бамбас"
The Ukrainian crimes against civilians are widely documented and you are not going to deceive us.
For example:
Ukraine on Fire: The Real Story – 2014 Full Documentary by Oliver Stone
https://rumble.com/v4a5n5t-ukraine-on-fire-the-real-story-2014-full-documentary-by-oliver-stone.html
Or taking a look at the separatist militias and their fighters: Strelkov, Motorola, Givi, Batman.
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>>385630
I wonder if you're one of the cuckeanians who fled to USA and who is certain USA should fight your war for you while you're relaxing on a beach.
I wonder if you're one of the cuckeanians who fled to USA and who is certain USA should fight your war for you while you're relaxing on a beach.
>>385697
>I wonder if you're one of the cuckeanians who fled to USA
Let's face it, most of these refugees used the underground railroad set by the jewry to flee the country. They did it before in soviet times and after WW2, now a new wave of parasites is settling among us.
>I wonder if you're one of the cuckeanians who fled to USA
Let's face it, most of these refugees used the underground railroad set by the jewry to flee the country. They did it before in soviet times and after WW2, now a new wave of parasites is settling among us.
>>384693
why would they do that? War in shitholes is the most convoluted money laundering scheme in history
why would they do that? War in shitholes is the most convoluted money laundering scheme in history
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To all Ukrainians who can see this, never forget you were a gullible tool, used and now forgotten. A throw away pawn in the game of large powers. Your sacrifice meant nothing, 1 mil dead men for what?
- 25% territory lost
- No NATO
- The fucking EU won’t even admit you
- 25% territory lost
- No NATO
- The fucking EU won’t even admit you
>Finland
1) Join NATO for the singular purpose of stretching Russian military resources by forcing them to build military infrastructure on a new front
2) Russia builds military infrastructure on that new front
3) Cry about Russia building military infrastructure on the new front
1) Join NATO for the singular purpose of stretching Russian military resources by forcing them to build military infrastructure on a new front
2) Russia builds military infrastructure on that new front
3) Cry about Russia building military infrastructure on the new front
British Mercenary, Christopher Garrett has been confirmed eliminated by a Russian mine.
Unilateral NATO proposal for a ceasefire that will involve Russia retreating, a NATO boots on the ground contingent, and a NATO controlled non-fly zone. Just because they say so.
The ruskies are obviously bewildered for this display of the west leadership consuming hallucinogens. Like they live in La La Land, for real.
https://x.com/M_Simonyan/status/1922318566067458469
The ruskies are obviously bewildered for this display of the west leadership consuming hallucinogens. Like they live in La La Land, for real.
https://x.com/M_Simonyan/status/1922318566067458469
BREAKING NEWS: HUNGARY MOVING TROOPS, TANKS-ARTILLERY TO UKRAINE BORDER
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/breaking-news-hungary-moving-troops-tanks-artillery-to-ukraine-border
https://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php/news-selections/world-news/breaking-news-hungary-moving-troops-tanks-artillery-to-ukraine-border
>>390100
>ceasefire
Reportedly, the Russian delegation said that the Ukrainians need to withdraw from the four new annexed regions if they want a ceasefire. Ukrainian delegation said no. The Russian side stood up, said “Next time, it’ll be five”, and left the room.
>ceasefire
Reportedly, the Russian delegation said that the Ukrainians need to withdraw from the four new annexed regions if they want a ceasefire. Ukrainian delegation said no. The Russian side stood up, said “Next time, it’ll be five”, and left the room.
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Why This Russian Drone Developer Isn’t Impressed by U.S. Tech
>In this exclusive interview, I sit down with a Russian military drone developer inside his secret workshop to talk about the future of drone warfare. From FPV kamikaze drones and fiber-optic guidance systems to jamming tactics and the rise of interceptor drones — we cover it all. We also discuss how Russia and Ukraine have become the world’s most advanced drone war laboratories, what makes Chinese tech fall short, and why the West is struggling to catch up.
[YouTube] Why This Russian Drone Developer Isn’t Impressed by U.S. Tech![]()
This is truly a master class in drone technology.
>In this exclusive interview, I sit down with a Russian military drone developer inside his secret workshop to talk about the future of drone warfare. From FPV kamikaze drones and fiber-optic guidance systems to jamming tactics and the rise of interceptor drones — we cover it all. We also discuss how Russia and Ukraine have become the world’s most advanced drone war laboratories, what makes Chinese tech fall short, and why the West is struggling to catch up.
[YouTube] Why This Russian Drone Developer Isn’t Impressed by U.S. Tech
This is truly a master class in drone technology.
>>390622
Boring. Just another technician without understanding of situation.
FPV drone manufacturing cost between 3.5-18 manhours vs 1.7-5.1 manhours for 152-mm artillery shell. Artillery usually spend 50 shells to injure one soldier in trenches/hideouts (only 1/6 of injuries are deadly). Efficacy of FPV drones can be compared to artillery shells, both sides lost around 85% drones before they reach target location, only 3% drones actually injure enemy (data from September 2024). Drones 150% better than artillery shells with same distance, same number of personnel, and comparable numbers of sorties per day.
Major difference is weight. Basic 152-mm artillery ammunition is 3OF25, 44 kg shell, 80 kg case, this is almost 10 times heavier than drone. In addition howitzer much more vulnerable than drone team. Ukrainians still don't understood, what type of weapon they actually created. FPV drone teams almost invulnerable to aviation strikes, you can spread them, you can make them looks like infantry, you can use Starlink or our Orbit communication system. During Kursk offensive we estimated around 80 teams, but manage to kill just 10 of them. Drones totally counter NATO advantage in airforce.
Boring. Just another technician without understanding of situation.
FPV drone manufacturing cost between 3.5-18 manhours vs 1.7-5.1 manhours for 152-mm artillery shell. Artillery usually spend 50 shells to injure one soldier in trenches/hideouts (only 1/6 of injuries are deadly). Efficacy of FPV drones can be compared to artillery shells, both sides lost around 85% drones before they reach target location, only 3% drones actually injure enemy (data from September 2024). Drones 150% better than artillery shells with same distance, same number of personnel, and comparable numbers of sorties per day.
Major difference is weight. Basic 152-mm artillery ammunition is 3OF25, 44 kg shell, 80 kg case, this is almost 10 times heavier than drone. In addition howitzer much more vulnerable than drone team. Ukrainians still don't understood, what type of weapon they actually created. FPV drone teams almost invulnerable to aviation strikes, you can spread them, you can make them looks like infantry, you can use Starlink or our Orbit communication system. During Kursk offensive we estimated around 80 teams, but manage to kill just 10 of them. Drones totally counter NATO advantage in airforce.
>>390821
>wacky drone defense prototypes
I don't expect much. Too complex problem, especially with fiber optic drones. We try explosive electromagnetic generators, but effective range just around 50-100 meters for 152 mm shell. We try lasers, but they effective only around 100-150 meters. We try turrets, but they can't detect drones effectively with only visual/thermal channels, and radars too expensive. New trend is drone-interceptors around assault troops, but they still have problem with automatic detection.
>>390810
We don't have save button, you know. United States, European Union and Russia can't mobilize more than 2% population, because of agreement. If we do this, other countries do this too, which make major war inevitable in following years just because of cost of maintainance for such armies. Fortunately, we all don't have ammunition for major conflict.
Actually during first stages of this war Russia used just same forces and number of shells per day as during second Chechen war (150k army, 50k shells per day). This started as demonstration, like Georgian campaign, but during following years we spend more than half of USSR shell stocks without significant results, they just mobilize more mans. First world war was ended, when Germany mobilize around 5% of population (20% mans). Ukraine still can mobilize around 300k soldiers, but army already crumbling.
Maybe year or two and we force them to peace deal. Peace agreement has exploit (confederation for eastern regions) which make disintegration of Ukraine inevitable. But we certainly not want to occupy them. Russia already spend around 6% GDP for this war, we just don't have more resources to support hostile population. Current condition of infrastructure of new regions so bad than we prefer resettlement than reconstruction.
>wacky drone defense prototypes
I don't expect much. Too complex problem, especially with fiber optic drones. We try explosive electromagnetic generators, but effective range just around 50-100 meters for 152 mm shell. We try lasers, but they effective only around 100-150 meters. We try turrets, but they can't detect drones effectively with only visual/thermal channels, and radars too expensive. New trend is drone-interceptors around assault troops, but they still have problem with automatic detection.
>>390810
We don't have save button, you know. United States, European Union and Russia can't mobilize more than 2% population, because of agreement. If we do this, other countries do this too, which make major war inevitable in following years just because of cost of maintainance for such armies. Fortunately, we all don't have ammunition for major conflict.
Actually during first stages of this war Russia used just same forces and number of shells per day as during second Chechen war (150k army, 50k shells per day). This started as demonstration, like Georgian campaign, but during following years we spend more than half of USSR shell stocks without significant results, they just mobilize more mans. First world war was ended, when Germany mobilize around 5% of population (20% mans). Ukraine still can mobilize around 300k soldiers, but army already crumbling.
Maybe year or two and we force them to peace deal. Peace agreement has exploit (confederation for eastern regions) which make disintegration of Ukraine inevitable. But we certainly not want to occupy them. Russia already spend around 6% GDP for this war, we just don't have more resources to support hostile population. Current condition of infrastructure of new regions so bad than we prefer resettlement than reconstruction.
Ukraine Launches Massive Drone Swarm Attack On Russian Airfields
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukrainian-drone-swarm-attacks-hit-russian-long-range-bombers
Ukraine successfully attacked numerous air bases in Russia.
Forty Russian combat aircraft were reportedly destroyed, including nuclear-capable aircraft. The Ukrainian drone attacks took place deep inland, some 1,800 km from Ukraine.
Lots of the attacks' videos on the link. Let's see what polite Putin gonna do.
https://www.zerohedge.com/military/ukrainian-drone-swarm-attacks-hit-russian-long-range-bombers
Ukraine successfully attacked numerous air bases in Russia.
Forty Russian combat aircraft were reportedly destroyed, including nuclear-capable aircraft. The Ukrainian drone attacks took place deep inland, some 1,800 km from Ukraine.
Lots of the attacks' videos on the link. Let's see what polite Putin gonna do.
>>391369
>Lots of the attacks' videos on the link.
Can you post them all here? Quite hard to estimate damage during first days after operation, but when they finally post all videos I can ask frens and estimate repair time in man-hours. Also, they attack two railroad bridges too. Looks like our summer offensive just started.
By the way, attack against strategic aircrafts it is attack against our private drone manufacturing. I heard all drone parts were imported through legal channels. I hope magus Belousov don't close our supplies after this.
>Lots of the attacks' videos on the link.
Can you post them all here? Quite hard to estimate damage during first days after operation, but when they finally post all videos I can ask frens and estimate repair time in man-hours. Also, they attack two railroad bridges too. Looks like our summer offensive just started.
By the way, attack against strategic aircrafts it is attack against our private drone manufacturing. I heard all drone parts were imported through legal channels. I hope magus Belousov don't close our supplies after this.
Russia really took a huge L this weekend.
A visual representation of the last 24 hours.
>>391369
realistically speaking how much does this actually set Russia back, though? People are always clickbaiting that it's THE END OF RUSSIA whenever Ukraine pulls something like this off, then Ukraine continues to get raped on every front and that's downplayed if not completely unreported.
realistically speaking how much does this actually set Russia back, though? People are always clickbaiting that it's THE END OF RUSSIA whenever Ukraine pulls something like this off, then Ukraine continues to get raped on every front and that's downplayed if not completely unreported.
>>391420
>People are always clickbaiting that it's THE END OF RUSSIA whenever Ukraine pulls something like this off
Ikr. It's like the boy who cried wolf. I can never tell anymore.
This does seem substantial though.
>People are always clickbaiting that it's THE END OF RUSSIA whenever Ukraine pulls something like this off
Ikr. It's like the boy who cried wolf. I can never tell anymore.
This does seem substantial though.
>>391420
>>391425
Ukraine is not going to win no matter what. That should be clear to anyone. This attack is more of a blow to Russia's reputation.
If more of these operations are carried out, they could leave Russia's capabilities fairly diminished by the end of the war. And that could embolden NATO. China would also expand more in Central Asia at Russia's expense.
>>391425
Ukraine is not going to win no matter what. That should be clear to anyone. This attack is more of a blow to Russia's reputation.
If more of these operations are carried out, they could leave Russia's capabilities fairly diminished by the end of the war. And that could embolden NATO. China would also expand more in Central Asia at Russia's expense.
>>391428
>Ukraine is not going to win no matter what.
Then who will? Russia? Their forces have been stuck in eastern ukraine for 3 years with almost no markable territorial changes
I think they should just give up at this point
>Ukraine is not going to win no matter what.
Then who will? Russia? Their forces have been stuck in eastern ukraine for 3 years with almost no markable territorial changes
I think they should just give up at this point
>>391435
>I think they should just give up at this point
Why? 6% GDP is not too expensive. Our army rapidly reforming because of wartime economy. Ukrainian engineers works for us, NATO works for us. All pre-war armament completely outdated already, but enemy still respect pre-war agreements and didn't start mobilization. This is perfect opportunity, despite quite dire situation. We must prolong this war as long as possible and avoid any escalation.
Time has not come yet. Comfy occurrence in Strait of Malacca first.
>I think they should just give up at this point
Why? 6% GDP is not too expensive. Our army rapidly reforming because of wartime economy. Ukrainian engineers works for us, NATO works for us. All pre-war armament completely outdated already, but enemy still respect pre-war agreements and didn't start mobilization. This is perfect opportunity, despite quite dire situation. We must prolong this war as long as possible and avoid any escalation.
Time has not come yet. Comfy occurrence in Strait of Malacca first.
>>391438
>We must prolong this war as long as possible and avoid any escalation.
And that's because... ?
>We must prolong this war as long as possible and avoid any escalation.
And that's because... ?
>>391438
Well, before germans can fight in the trenches again you'll have to fight out of the trenches of bureaucracy that all your neighbors imposed, probably for the express purpose of preventing that sentiment of your's.
I'm so very rooting for you, foreigner.
Well, before germans can fight in the trenches again you'll have to fight out of the trenches of bureaucracy that all your neighbors imposed, probably for the express purpose of preventing that sentiment of your's.
I'm so very rooting for you, foreigner.
>>391435
They took more territory from Ukraine, their army earned experience and Ukraine won't be able to join NATO. It's still a W, even if it's not that impressive.
I don't think they'll be able to push beyond the Dnieper tho.
>I think they should just give up at this point.
Neither side wants peace.
They took more territory from Ukraine, their army earned experience and Ukraine won't be able to join NATO. It's still a W, even if it's not that impressive.
I don't think they'll be able to push beyond the Dnieper tho.
>I think they should just give up at this point.
Neither side wants peace.
>>391438
>We must prolong this war as long as possible and avoid any escalation.
Why the fuck would you want to prolong any kind of war? That only maximizes human death and suffering.
Also, Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition: it's a population issue. The best result for both parties would be if the war ends with a deal as soon as possible.
>We must prolong this war as long as possible and avoid any escalation.
Why the fuck would you want to prolong any kind of war? That only maximizes human death and suffering.
Also, Ukraine cannot win a war of attrition: it's a population issue. The best result for both parties would be if the war ends with a deal as soon as possible.
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>>391439
>>391449
Because of strategical goal. Russia has 35M industrial workforce (except women and unskilled migrants), we need around 80M labor force in next 20-30 years to build new cities in southern Siberia and Eastern coast, to make industry around coal mining (modern industrial technologies mostly based on coal because of China). Time is very limited. Russia need to create confederation with 350M population and force labor force to move east, or we lost this territories and our future.
Best potential allies for this project is European countries, if we manage to destroy globalhomo EU or transform it to some kind of fascist confederation. Friendly or hostile, it doesn't matter. With friendly countries we make a coalition (we ready to serious concessions like free energy and special economic zones), with hostile EU, separated from US, we desperate enough to start local nuclear war. Destruction of western Russian metropolises like Moscow and Petersburg is admissible loses, they useless in future anyway.
Backup variant is eastern anti-China coalition. We already make a deal with Vietnam, South and North Korea. They clearly don't want to be battleground between US and China and ready to share workforce. We fail with Japan because of Shinzo Abe assassination and territorial conflict.
Subsidiary variant №1 is Central Asia, Iran and India. But this is limited source of workforce because of enormous expenditures to stabilize Central Asia and almost unavoidable wars in Ferghana Valley and Kazakhstan.
Subsidiary variant №2 is Africa. We throw out France from Africa just because of labor force. A lot of Africans ready to work in Siberia, and we already reform many technical school for them.
Overall we need police state + prolonged war to force internal workforce migration from west to east and numerous entirely Russian army to protect coalition.
This is official and public conception. "Концепция внешней политики Российской Федерации" 23 March 2023. Less official form lecture for intelligence service "Новый глобальный ландшафт и вызовы для России" Андрей Безруков:
[YouTube] Лекция А.О.Безрукова «Новый глобальный ландшафт и вызовы для России»![]()
>>391449
Because of strategical goal. Russia has 35M industrial workforce (except women and unskilled migrants), we need around 80M labor force in next 20-30 years to build new cities in southern Siberia and Eastern coast, to make industry around coal mining (modern industrial technologies mostly based on coal because of China). Time is very limited. Russia need to create confederation with 350M population and force labor force to move east, or we lost this territories and our future.
Best potential allies for this project is European countries, if we manage to destroy globalhomo EU or transform it to some kind of fascist confederation. Friendly or hostile, it doesn't matter. With friendly countries we make a coalition (we ready to serious concessions like free energy and special economic zones), with hostile EU, separated from US, we desperate enough to start local nuclear war. Destruction of western Russian metropolises like Moscow and Petersburg is admissible loses, they useless in future anyway.
Backup variant is eastern anti-China coalition. We already make a deal with Vietnam, South and North Korea. They clearly don't want to be battleground between US and China and ready to share workforce. We fail with Japan because of Shinzo Abe assassination and territorial conflict.
Subsidiary variant №1 is Central Asia, Iran and India. But this is limited source of workforce because of enormous expenditures to stabilize Central Asia and almost unavoidable wars in Ferghana Valley and Kazakhstan.
Subsidiary variant №2 is Africa. We throw out France from Africa just because of labor force. A lot of Africans ready to work in Siberia, and we already reform many technical school for them.
Overall we need police state + prolonged war to force internal workforce migration from west to east and numerous entirely Russian army to protect coalition.
This is official and public conception. "Концепция внешней политики Российской Федерации" 23 March 2023. Less official form lecture for intelligence service "Новый глобальный ландшафт и вызовы для России" Андрей Безруков:
[YouTube] Лекция А.О.Безрукова «Новый глобальный ландшафт и вызовы для России»
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>>391461
Also, this is map of economical effective territory. All northern regions completely useless (all effective Earth civilizations live in climate of ±10°C January isoterm). Russia is separated country: western cluster does not have cheap energy, southern Siberian cluster doesn't have population, eastern cluster just tiny line of towns near China border. Meanwhile greatest coal deposit on Earth are located in Eastern Siberia, around dotted line.
South China Sea is the center of maritime trade, 1/3 of world trade already and it will be around 2/3 after 2040s. When China solve their problems with Malacca, they undoubtedly focus attention at energy resources. This is why we need to build new cities, ports and military bases in this region. No one can withstand against 15 million army, but with enough population, modern nuclear weapon and strong routes we can keep control and use situation to create new industrial center in Southern Siberia and growing economical zone on Eastern shore.
This is why we ready to sacrifice infrastructure of western cluster and all western trade routes for much more stable situation in nearest future.
Also, this is map of economical effective territory. All northern regions completely useless (all effective Earth civilizations live in climate of ±10°C January isoterm). Russia is separated country: western cluster does not have cheap energy, southern Siberian cluster doesn't have population, eastern cluster just tiny line of towns near China border. Meanwhile greatest coal deposit on Earth are located in Eastern Siberia, around dotted line.
South China Sea is the center of maritime trade, 1/3 of world trade already and it will be around 2/3 after 2040s. When China solve their problems with Malacca, they undoubtedly focus attention at energy resources. This is why we need to build new cities, ports and military bases in this region. No one can withstand against 15 million army, but with enough population, modern nuclear weapon and strong routes we can keep control and use situation to create new industrial center in Southern Siberia and growing economical zone on Eastern shore.
This is why we ready to sacrifice infrastructure of western cluster and all western trade routes for much more stable situation in nearest future.
>>391461
>Because of strategical goal.
So you would sacrifice millions of Ukrainians and Russians alike artificially prolonging a war for your own goals? Cool.
>if we manage to destroy globalhomo EU or transform it to some kind of fascist confederation
Do that first.
>Destruction of western Russian metropolises like Moscow and Petersburg is admissible loses
That would lead to intercontinental nuclear war.
>Overall we need police state + prolonged war to force internal workforce migration from west to east and numerous entirely Russian army to protect coalition.
This is ZOG logic.
>>391471
>we can keep control and use situation to create new industrial center
Who is this "we"? Who are you?
>Because of strategical goal.
So you would sacrifice millions of Ukrainians and Russians alike artificially prolonging a war for your own goals? Cool.
>if we manage to destroy globalhomo EU or transform it to some kind of fascist confederation
Do that first.
>Destruction of western Russian metropolises like Moscow and Petersburg is admissible loses
That would lead to intercontinental nuclear war.
>Overall we need police state + prolonged war to force internal workforce migration from west to east and numerous entirely Russian army to protect coalition.
This is ZOG logic.
>>391471
>we can keep control and use situation to create new industrial center
Who is this "we"? Who are you?
>>391461
Nigger, this isn't hearts of iron. Russia can survive a nuclear war, but it would be too diminished to try anything in Siberia afterwards.
Even without nuclear war, do you know how long it would take to get logistics up to speed in Siberia of all places? Moscow sits at the heart of Russia's rivers system. You can't easily replace it either.
And if your plan is to bring 100's of millions of niggers to replace radiated Slavs you might as well try draconian policies to increase birthrates instead. That is way better than negrifying Russia.
Nigger, this isn't hearts of iron. Russia can survive a nuclear war, but it would be too diminished to try anything in Siberia afterwards.
Even without nuclear war, do you know how long it would take to get logistics up to speed in Siberia of all places? Moscow sits at the heart of Russia's rivers system. You can't easily replace it either.
And if your plan is to bring 100's of millions of niggers to replace radiated Slavs you might as well try draconian policies to increase birthrates instead. That is way better than negrifying Russia.
>>391475
>So you would sacrifice millions of Ukrainians and Russians alike artificially prolonging a war for your own goals? Cool.
Better to die for Imperium, than live for yourself.
Every single campaign, from Syria and Africa to Ukraine, is direct operation to contain NATO and reshape EU. Real problem that European military still don't have real power to make long lasting decisions. We fail miserable any cooperation with European economical and ideological parties after 2008, but usually can made agreements with nationalistic military elites. They are opposition, after all. Also, we can made agreement with Ukrainian military: we attack hohols because they are enemy, not because they are hohols. And we are grateful for lessons.
>Who is this "we"? Who are you?
Evil imperialistic party, of course. And humble zealot, who is tired of conformity of opinions in Russian military and limited understanding of our strategical goals from adversarial side. Quite sad, that confrontation with Europe can be resolved by diplomacy, but we still prefer prolonged military solution just to compensate technological gap and reform army for future conquests.
Also, we are quite ZOGish here. Maybe it is just self-assurance, but I do not see any problems with barbarians. Any human being can be friend, if he is ready to be part of our spiritual kin, or valuable resource, if not.
>So you would sacrifice millions of Ukrainians and Russians alike artificially prolonging a war for your own goals? Cool.
Better to die for Imperium, than live for yourself.
Every single campaign, from Syria and Africa to Ukraine, is direct operation to contain NATO and reshape EU. Real problem that European military still don't have real power to make long lasting decisions. We fail miserable any cooperation with European economical and ideological parties after 2008, but usually can made agreements with nationalistic military elites. They are opposition, after all. Also, we can made agreement with Ukrainian military: we attack hohols because they are enemy, not because they are hohols. And we are grateful for lessons.
>Who is this "we"? Who are you?
Evil imperialistic party, of course. And humble zealot, who is tired of conformity of opinions in Russian military and limited understanding of our strategical goals from adversarial side. Quite sad, that confrontation with Europe can be resolved by diplomacy, but we still prefer prolonged military solution just to compensate technological gap and reform army for future conquests.
Also, we are quite ZOGish here. Maybe it is just self-assurance, but I do not see any problems with barbarians. Any human being can be friend, if he is ready to be part of our spiritual kin, or valuable resource, if not.
>>391503
>Nigger, this isn't hearts of iron. Russia can survive a nuclear war, but it would be too diminished to try anything in Siberia afterwards.
>Even without nuclear war, do you know how long it would take to get logistics up to speed in Siberia of all places?
Hearts of Iron is good game and Russia did HoI-level feats twice last century. First time during WW2, when USSR evacuated half of heavy industry to southern Siberia. Second time after collapse of Soviet Union, when Russia lost around 40% economy again just to rebuild industry and infrastructure in ten years (from 8 to 13 tons metal stock per capita). We are fucking experts.
Nuclear war is just humorous scenario nowadays, but maybe fastest way to refresh European security agreements. We just waste time, trying to break drone-centric defense without proper weapon. Nuclear stratospheric explosion generate EMP strong enough to destroy civil electronics in radius around 25 km, 2000 km² (all drones, sensors, starlink satellites), and normal offensive doctrine expected to use 5-8 special ammunition per division every day.
But nope, this is forbidden thinking. No escalation before active phase of US-China war.
>And if your plan is to bring 100's of millions of niggers to replace radiated Slavs you might as well try draconian policies to increase birthrates instead.
Every single country nowadays avoid high birthrates. Young population = political instability. Especially when oil golden age already turns to energy autumn. Migrants will be expelled after robotisation, but what will we do with native teenagers who doomed to poverty. Russia is overpopulated country for our climate (Kursk is equivalent of Canadian Ontario). Peak of abortions in USSR had a serious reason.
>Nigger, this isn't hearts of iron. Russia can survive a nuclear war, but it would be too diminished to try anything in Siberia afterwards.
>Even without nuclear war, do you know how long it would take to get logistics up to speed in Siberia of all places?
Hearts of Iron is good game and Russia did HoI-level feats twice last century. First time during WW2, when USSR evacuated half of heavy industry to southern Siberia. Second time after collapse of Soviet Union, when Russia lost around 40% economy again just to rebuild industry and infrastructure in ten years (from 8 to 13 tons metal stock per capita). We are fucking experts.
Nuclear war is just humorous scenario nowadays, but maybe fastest way to refresh European security agreements. We just waste time, trying to break drone-centric defense without proper weapon. Nuclear stratospheric explosion generate EMP strong enough to destroy civil electronics in radius around 25 km, 2000 km² (all drones, sensors, starlink satellites), and normal offensive doctrine expected to use 5-8 special ammunition per division every day.
But nope, this is forbidden thinking. No escalation before active phase of US-China war.
>And if your plan is to bring 100's of millions of niggers to replace radiated Slavs you might as well try draconian policies to increase birthrates instead.
Every single country nowadays avoid high birthrates. Young population = political instability. Especially when oil golden age already turns to energy autumn. Migrants will be expelled after robotisation, but what will we do with native teenagers who doomed to poverty. Russia is overpopulated country for our climate (Kursk is equivalent of Canadian Ontario). Peak of abortions in USSR had a serious reason.
>>391461
>if we manage to destroy globalhomo EU or transform it to some kind of fascist confederation
I'm sorry for ruining your vatnik fantasy but this is just not possible, if russia can't even successfully invade ukraine alone then it's no where near destroying or transforming the entire EU
>if we manage to destroy globalhomo EU or transform it to some kind of fascist confederation
I'm sorry for ruining your vatnik fantasy but this is just not possible, if russia can't even successfully invade ukraine alone then it's no where near destroying or transforming the entire EU
>>391566
>First time during WW2, when USSR evacuated half of heavy industry to southern Siberia.
They already had existing infrastructure there. They had industrial capacity.
>Second time after collapse of Soviet Union, when Russia lost around 40% economy again just to rebuild industry and infrastructure in ten years (from 8 to 13 tons metal stock per capita).
Kikes privatized everything and were syphoning wealth out of the country. Putin stopped them. Oil prices skyrocketed.
This is irrelevant to your point.
>Every single country nowadays avoid high birthrates. Young population = political instability.
Bringing millions of muzzies to gay liberal nations full of kikes is not the best recipe for political stability. It's industrialization and modernity in general what it's driving down the fertility rate.
>Migrants will be expelled after robotisation, but what will we do with native teenagers who doomed to poverty.
This is literally e/acc astroturfed bs. The AI revolution is not on the horizon. Certainly not the kind that Russia would need in order to afford expelling these people.
And Russia is too far behind on that game anyways, it's the last country that should be banking on it.
>Russia is overpopulated country
You just want to wipe out slavoids. Just be honest about it.
>First time during WW2, when USSR evacuated half of heavy industry to southern Siberia.
They already had existing infrastructure there. They had industrial capacity.
>Second time after collapse of Soviet Union, when Russia lost around 40% economy again just to rebuild industry and infrastructure in ten years (from 8 to 13 tons metal stock per capita).
Kikes privatized everything and were syphoning wealth out of the country. Putin stopped them. Oil prices skyrocketed.
This is irrelevant to your point.
>Every single country nowadays avoid high birthrates. Young population = political instability.
Bringing millions of muzzies to gay liberal nations full of kikes is not the best recipe for political stability. It's industrialization and modernity in general what it's driving down the fertility rate.
>Migrants will be expelled after robotisation, but what will we do with native teenagers who doomed to poverty.
This is literally e/acc astroturfed bs. The AI revolution is not on the horizon. Certainly not the kind that Russia would need in order to afford expelling these people.
And Russia is too far behind on that game anyways, it's the last country that should be banking on it.
>Russia is overpopulated country
You just want to wipe out slavoids. Just be honest about it.
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