Attempted Lee Harvey Oswald v2.
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>>374855
>DJT stocks went up after the assassination attempt. You lose money by shorting a stock that goes up in value. You go long on a stock that you expect to rise in value, you short a stock that you expect to go down.
Are you trolling? Where would the stock have gone if that 'one' bullet was a mm or two to the left?
Theres plenty of possibilities that apparently (you) arent willing to entertain, including:
- Blackrock hired the kid expecting/knowing he'd fail
- Blackrock hired the kid and he still fucked it up
- SS is blatantly incompetent
- SS has become victim of weaponized incompetence
- SS is maliciously incompetent
... and many more!
I know, the world is scary when you entertain ideas outside your own beliefs and preconceptions
>DJT stocks went up after the assassination attempt. You lose money by shorting a stock that goes up in value. You go long on a stock that you expect to rise in value, you short a stock that you expect to go down.
Are you trolling? Where would the stock have gone if that 'one' bullet was a mm or two to the left?
Theres plenty of possibilities that apparently (you) arent willing to entertain, including:
- Blackrock hired the kid expecting/knowing he'd fail
- Blackrock hired the kid and he still fucked it up
- SS is blatantly incompetent
- SS has become victim of weaponized incompetence
- SS is maliciously incompetent
... and many more!
I know, the world is scary when you entertain ideas outside your own beliefs and preconceptions
>>374897
>where would the stock have gone if he hadn’t missed?
Even higher. When people die, people tend to be more sympathetic towards them. When they are blatantly martyred, as Trump would have been, even more so.
>BlackRock hired him expecting he would fail
No, they wouldn’t have, because trying always carries the risk of success. While Matthew Crooks missed in multiple shots, 125 yards is still very close. He almost hit, and in fact very likely would have if Trump hadn’t turned his head.
>SS hired the kid and he fucked it up.
They would have hired someone who can shoot
>SS is blatantly incompetent
Correct.
>SS has become the victim of weaponized incompetence
Possible, though I think it’s more likely that it’s just regular incompetence
>SS is maliciously incompetent
Possible
>the world is scary when you entertain ideas outside your own beliefs and preconceptions
K. But if you believe that Blsckrock is this hyper competent organization that paid a 20 year old inbred who doesn’t know how to hide or shoot a gun to kill a former president, all so they can lose money on their short of Donald Trump’s company, then you’re believing what you want to believe, and not what facts and logic would suggest
>where would the stock have gone if he hadn’t missed?
Even higher. When people die, people tend to be more sympathetic towards them. When they are blatantly martyred, as Trump would have been, even more so.
>BlackRock hired him expecting he would fail
No, they wouldn’t have, because trying always carries the risk of success. While Matthew Crooks missed in multiple shots, 125 yards is still very close. He almost hit, and in fact very likely would have if Trump hadn’t turned his head.
>SS hired the kid and he fucked it up.
They would have hired someone who can shoot
>SS is blatantly incompetent
Correct.
>SS has become the victim of weaponized incompetence
Possible, though I think it’s more likely that it’s just regular incompetence
>SS is maliciously incompetent
Possible
>the world is scary when you entertain ideas outside your own beliefs and preconceptions
K. But if you believe that Blsckrock is this hyper competent organization that paid a 20 year old inbred who doesn’t know how to hide or shoot a gun to kill a former president, all so they can lose money on their short of Donald Trump’s company, then you’re believing what you want to believe, and not what facts and logic would suggest
>>374898
>Even higher. When people die, people tend to be more sympathetic towards them. When they are blatantly martyred, as Trump would have been, even more so.
No, no, no. The only reason Truth Social has any value is because Donald Trump uses it. The only reason anybody uses Truth Social instead of Twitter is because Donald Trump uses it. The only reason DJT has any projected value is because people anticipate that Donald Trump will use it for the entirety of his presidency and announce all of his policies through it like he did on Twitter throughout his first term.
If Trump were gone, Truth Social would be worthless and nobody would buy it. Everyone would sell because they would know that the app would have no further potential to expand and would implode as the person people went there to see stopped using it.
>They would have hired someone who can shoot
He was able to shoot. Had Trump not turned his head in the split second that the trigger were pulled, it would have been a perfect headshot.
>Even higher. When people die, people tend to be more sympathetic towards them. When they are blatantly martyred, as Trump would have been, even more so.
No, no, no. The only reason Truth Social has any value is because Donald Trump uses it. The only reason anybody uses Truth Social instead of Twitter is because Donald Trump uses it. The only reason DJT has any projected value is because people anticipate that Donald Trump will use it for the entirety of his presidency and announce all of his policies through it like he did on Twitter throughout his first term.
If Trump were gone, Truth Social would be worthless and nobody would buy it. Everyone would sell because they would know that the app would have no further potential to expand and would implode as the person people went there to see stopped using it.
>They would have hired someone who can shoot
He was able to shoot. Had Trump not turned his head in the split second that the trigger were pulled, it would have been a perfect headshot.
>>374898
>Even higher. When people die, people tend to be more sympathetic towards them. When they are blatantly martyred, as Trump would have been, even more so.
I need to talk to your dealer, cuz hes got the good shit
The dude bled yo. I dont see how you can claim incompetence when by all metrics it should have succeeded.
The DC on that evasion diceroll was a nat 20. Yes, Trump landed it, but let's not pretend that cracking jokes about the failed shooter was the probable outcome OR that because he landed it that its impossible that this wasn't a more complicated instance
Never attribute to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity
- Hanlon's Razor
Never dismiss as stupidity, that which can be substantiated as malice
- Adeline's Retort
>Even higher. When people die, people tend to be more sympathetic towards them. When they are blatantly martyred, as Trump would have been, even more so.
I need to talk to your dealer, cuz hes got the good shit
The dude bled yo. I dont see how you can claim incompetence when by all metrics it should have succeeded.
The DC on that evasion diceroll was a nat 20. Yes, Trump landed it, but let's not pretend that cracking jokes about the failed shooter was the probable outcome OR that because he landed it that its impossible that this wasn't a more complicated instance
Never attribute to malice, that which can be explained by stupidity
- Hanlon's Razor
Never dismiss as stupidity, that which can be substantiated as malice
- Adeline's Retort
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>>374902
>The DC on that evasion diceroll was a nat 20.
Trump really rocked that Uncanny Dodge. This is what Legendary Unarmored AC looks like.
>The DC on that evasion diceroll was a nat 20.
Trump really rocked that Uncanny Dodge. This is what Legendary Unarmored AC looks like.
>>374904
I can't help but sympathize with people who called it an act of God. He literally, unironically dodged a bullet in real time.
I can't help but sympathize with people who called it an act of God. He literally, unironically dodged a bullet in real time.
>>374905
Yeah, don't you worry, the book of revelationists are gonna have a field day about that whole "struck a felling blow but survived" part
Yeah, don't you worry, the book of revelationists are gonna have a field day about that whole "struck a felling blow but survived" part
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>>374900
>>374902
The question you really have to ask yourself is, does this look more like someone who is in a position of power with much foresight and planning put him up to it, or does this look more like the school shooter decided to try his hand at political assassinations?
>It would have been the perfect headshot but for luck
>losing wasn't the probable outcome
But luck works the other way, too.
Matthew Crooks was damned lucky to get as far as he got, and there were several instances were a very marginally more competent shooter (like a PTSD afflicted suicidal veteran our country has thousands of) would have done better
First and most importantly, Crooks had no stealth at all. He was noticed by spectators, who even filmed him. He was noticed by law enforcement. There was even a Secret Service sniper trained on his position, who shot him a couple seconds after he shot at Trump. The only reason Crooks got as far as he did, I am sure, is because the Secret Service really did not want to kill a kid, and wanted to resolve the issue without shooting him. If that sniper had not hesitated, and shot Crooks as soon as the threat was beyond obvious, he would not have made off that first shot. A law enforcement officer is said to have even gone up, and then retreated when Crooks pointed his rifle at him. Crooks got lucky they did not take the situation more seriously. A more competent shooter probably would have used a longer range rifle and good have shot from further away. Or perhaps they would have been hidden. Or perhaps they would have had a plausible cover story as to why they were on the roof, like being a construction worker. Anything other than gambling on the secret service doing nothing.
The question really is, do you think that if BlackRock had put a shooter up, they would have bet on him just being allowed to sit on a roof with a rifle? No. They would not have. But if this were just a school shooter trying to be Brutus, would they do this? Yes. Yes they would.
The second thing to keep in mind is that Crooks didn't take one shot. He took about four shots. And after the first shot, which missed, he didn't come close. The type of gun and caliber that Crooks was using, the 5.56 and the AR15, is basically designed to allow for accuracy in rapid fire. Making accurate follow up shots on the AR15 is not that hard. And he failed at it. Had he been actually trained to use a 5.56 caliber rifle - like literally any veteran would have been - he likely would have been at least closer to hitting Trump on the follow up shots. Remember that Lee Harvey Oswald made the headshot on the third shot, not the first.
Ask yourself, if this was a shooter hired by an analyst company, would they be poor at double tapping and follow up shots? Maybe, but there's no reason to think that they would. And if it were just a school shooter, would they suck at follow up shots. Well... yeah, probably.
And as for the shot that missed, yes, if Trump hadn't moved his head, he probably would have been hit in the skull by the bullet, and he maybe would have died from it. However, the shot was not well positioned in the center of his head. A shooter who was a better shot would likely not have missed on that first shot anyways, even with the slight turn of the head. And a better centered shot is more likely to cause fatal brain damage rather than a (serious) wound.
Again, do you think that this suggests a hired shooter, or a school shooter?
And finally, why use his daddy's AR15 at all? The 5.56 bullet is pretty deadly, but this is an operation you can't afford to fuck up. Why not use a 7.62 bullet from an M1A or AR10? A 7.62 would be surer to kill in the event of a hit. It would have been less moved by the wind, which may have been why the bullet missed. And it would be accurate at a longer range, which would have allowed for a shot from further away. Also, a proper scope could have allowed for adjustments for windage.
BlackRock wouldn't need daddy's gun. But if you're just a wanna be assassin, no shit you use daddy's gun. It's what you have, and it's right there.
And no, I don't think that the Secret Service were trying to allow Trump to be killed. And for a simple reason. They shot the shooter shortly after he made his first few shots. If they wanted him to succeed, all they had to do was nothing for a bit longer, and let him have a fifth, sixth, or so chance to hit Trump. And it's not like Trump was running away to hide. He stood up again after the shots and gave the shooter another chance, or would have if the Secret Service hadn't already shot Crooks
So again, if someone had hired a shooter to kill Trump, is this what it would have looked like? No. There is so much room for improvement, it strains belief. Just look at Lee Harvey Oswald, the excellent-shot former marine who posed as a worker, and who was hidden from view basically until after he killed a cop in his escape. And if Matthew Crooks were basically a school shooter, it would look like... exactly what we got.
>>374902
The question you really have to ask yourself is, does this look more like someone who is in a position of power with much foresight and planning put him up to it, or does this look more like the school shooter decided to try his hand at political assassinations?
>It would have been the perfect headshot but for luck
>losing wasn't the probable outcome
But luck works the other way, too.
Matthew Crooks was damned lucky to get as far as he got, and there were several instances were a very marginally more competent shooter (like a PTSD afflicted suicidal veteran our country has thousands of) would have done better
First and most importantly, Crooks had no stealth at all. He was noticed by spectators, who even filmed him. He was noticed by law enforcement. There was even a Secret Service sniper trained on his position, who shot him a couple seconds after he shot at Trump. The only reason Crooks got as far as he did, I am sure, is because the Secret Service really did not want to kill a kid, and wanted to resolve the issue without shooting him. If that sniper had not hesitated, and shot Crooks as soon as the threat was beyond obvious, he would not have made off that first shot. A law enforcement officer is said to have even gone up, and then retreated when Crooks pointed his rifle at him. Crooks got lucky they did not take the situation more seriously. A more competent shooter probably would have used a longer range rifle and good have shot from further away. Or perhaps they would have been hidden. Or perhaps they would have had a plausible cover story as to why they were on the roof, like being a construction worker. Anything other than gambling on the secret service doing nothing.
The question really is, do you think that if BlackRock had put a shooter up, they would have bet on him just being allowed to sit on a roof with a rifle? No. They would not have. But if this were just a school shooter trying to be Brutus, would they do this? Yes. Yes they would.
The second thing to keep in mind is that Crooks didn't take one shot. He took about four shots. And after the first shot, which missed, he didn't come close. The type of gun and caliber that Crooks was using, the 5.56 and the AR15, is basically designed to allow for accuracy in rapid fire. Making accurate follow up shots on the AR15 is not that hard. And he failed at it. Had he been actually trained to use a 5.56 caliber rifle - like literally any veteran would have been - he likely would have been at least closer to hitting Trump on the follow up shots. Remember that Lee Harvey Oswald made the headshot on the third shot, not the first.
Ask yourself, if this was a shooter hired by an analyst company, would they be poor at double tapping and follow up shots? Maybe, but there's no reason to think that they would. And if it were just a school shooter, would they suck at follow up shots. Well... yeah, probably.
And as for the shot that missed, yes, if Trump hadn't moved his head, he probably would have been hit in the skull by the bullet, and he maybe would have died from it. However, the shot was not well positioned in the center of his head. A shooter who was a better shot would likely not have missed on that first shot anyways, even with the slight turn of the head. And a better centered shot is more likely to cause fatal brain damage rather than a (serious) wound.
Again, do you think that this suggests a hired shooter, or a school shooter?
And finally, why use his daddy's AR15 at all? The 5.56 bullet is pretty deadly, but this is an operation you can't afford to fuck up. Why not use a 7.62 bullet from an M1A or AR10? A 7.62 would be surer to kill in the event of a hit. It would have been less moved by the wind, which may have been why the bullet missed. And it would be accurate at a longer range, which would have allowed for a shot from further away. Also, a proper scope could have allowed for adjustments for windage.
BlackRock wouldn't need daddy's gun. But if you're just a wanna be assassin, no shit you use daddy's gun. It's what you have, and it's right there.
And no, I don't think that the Secret Service were trying to allow Trump to be killed. And for a simple reason. They shot the shooter shortly after he made his first few shots. If they wanted him to succeed, all they had to do was nothing for a bit longer, and let him have a fifth, sixth, or so chance to hit Trump. And it's not like Trump was running away to hide. He stood up again after the shots and gave the shooter another chance, or would have if the Secret Service hadn't already shot Crooks
So again, if someone had hired a shooter to kill Trump, is this what it would have looked like? No. There is so much room for improvement, it strains belief. Just look at Lee Harvey Oswald, the excellent-shot former marine who posed as a worker, and who was hidden from view basically until after he killed a cop in his escape. And if Matthew Crooks were basically a school shooter, it would look like... exactly what we got.
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>>374913
>>374913
Investment firms have been trying to short-sell DJT for months. Just do a google search. Here's one from May talking about mass-shorting of Trump Media shares
https://www.barrons.com/articles/djt-trump-media-stock-price-buy-sell-66bf9310
Here's an article from April about short selling Trump Media
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/business/trump-media-short-selling.html
Another article from March of this year
https://investorplace.com/2024/03/trump-media-pop-is-giving-djt-stock-short-sellers-a-run-for-their-money/
And 12 Million shares is also a pitifully small about of money to be gained, relative to how big an assassination is. In a short, the most that you could possibly make from it is the full value of the stock, and you'd never make that much. It's worth about $36 a share. That means that the most to be made off of that is about $43 Million. That's the same amount that Elon Musk pledged to donate to the Trump campaign each month after the assassination attempt. Joe Biden raises about half that much in a single donor meeting. And the cost of the political campaigns is in the billions. $43 million is pitifully small by comparison. There are much better ways to make money off a political assassination that short selling a moderately popular social media site. And again, they've been short selling it for a while.
>>374913
Investment firms have been trying to short-sell DJT for months. Just do a google search. Here's one from May talking about mass-shorting of Trump Media shares
https://www.barrons.com/articles/djt-trump-media-stock-price-buy-sell-66bf9310
Here's an article from April about short selling Trump Media
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/03/business/trump-media-short-selling.html
Another article from March of this year
https://investorplace.com/2024/03/trump-media-pop-is-giving-djt-stock-short-sellers-a-run-for-their-money/
And 12 Million shares is also a pitifully small about of money to be gained, relative to how big an assassination is. In a short, the most that you could possibly make from it is the full value of the stock, and you'd never make that much. It's worth about $36 a share. That means that the most to be made off of that is about $43 Million. That's the same amount that Elon Musk pledged to donate to the Trump campaign each month after the assassination attempt. Joe Biden raises about half that much in a single donor meeting. And the cost of the political campaigns is in the billions. $43 million is pitifully small by comparison. There are much better ways to make money off a political assassination that short selling a moderately popular social media site. And again, they've been short selling it for a while.
>>374915
>Functionally-illiterate people should not be allowed to use computers
We agree
>>374917
You seem resolved to the idea that theres nothing to see here, so good luck with that. Regardless what your precious interpretation suggests, DT has a pillow where part of his ear was. That alone suggests that the threat was more credible than you in the very clear aftermath are willing to accept.
>Functionally-illiterate people should not be allowed to use computers
We agree
>>374917
You seem resolved to the idea that theres nothing to see here, so good luck with that. Regardless what your precious interpretation suggests, DT has a pillow where part of his ear was. That alone suggests that the threat was more credible than you in the very clear aftermath are willing to accept.
>>374923
You're not getting it. This absolutely could have resulted in Trump dying, and almost did. That's why I am sure that it wasn't staged by Trump's campaign or anyone to be a failed assassination attempt - the risk that Trump could have died was too great. But if it was intended to be a real assassination, there are so many places that they could have done better, that they certainly would have done better.
It's like getting a 65 on a test. You "almost" passed. But if you were trying to pass, you almost certainly would have done better than a 65, at least with the resources available to BlackRock or a well funded assassin group. But if you were trying to fail, you would have done worse than a 65, because 65 is very nearly passing. Ergo, the most likely scenario is that someone who didn't have access to decent resources - like a lone gunman, or a gaggle of leftist youths in conspiracy - was trying to assassinate Trump, rather than a conspiracy by well connected and well funded individuals either to assassinate Trump or to fail to assassinate him.
You're not getting it. This absolutely could have resulted in Trump dying, and almost did. That's why I am sure that it wasn't staged by Trump's campaign or anyone to be a failed assassination attempt - the risk that Trump could have died was too great. But if it was intended to be a real assassination, there are so many places that they could have done better, that they certainly would have done better.
It's like getting a 65 on a test. You "almost" passed. But if you were trying to pass, you almost certainly would have done better than a 65, at least with the resources available to BlackRock or a well funded assassin group. But if you were trying to fail, you would have done worse than a 65, because 65 is very nearly passing. Ergo, the most likely scenario is that someone who didn't have access to decent resources - like a lone gunman, or a gaggle of leftist youths in conspiracy - was trying to assassinate Trump, rather than a conspiracy by well connected and well funded individuals either to assassinate Trump or to fail to assassinate him.
>>374925
>That's why I am sure that it wasn't staged by Trump's campaign
Who suggested it was?
Are you suggesting that the only explanation for a failed assassination on Trump is that Trump (or someone close) orchestrated it? Are you mental?
>That's why I am sure that it wasn't staged by Trump's campaign
Who suggested it was?
Are you suggesting that the only explanation for a failed assassination on Trump is that Trump (or someone close) orchestrated it? Are you mental?
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>>374876
Reality is stranger. Also at times simple.
Many who seek positions of power are unburdened by morals, except as a tool for public support.
People have high points and low points, in cognition and efficacy.
Long term planning can be done by whoever wants it (satan jews and muslims and any one else that can contented with those two interest groups for that long) in exchange for immoral short term gains.
Now sometimes the short term gains fuck up the long term and vis versa.
However the short term actors get their fix from the long term planners they just do a general guideline sometimes with specific instructions.
Getting into the loop is a matter of who you know, how useful you are and if you meet their criteria.
Useful retards are given extremely short term gains, such as antifa. They get feeling and most of that psychological conditioning. Just as easily disposed of... usually.
The longer term asset against how short term gains that they can get is how disposable they are.
There are differing factions within those groups and between short term and long term and various counter workings with long term vs long term.
They all think (You) as you currently are is a problem, especially if you have children raised in a loving environment.
Short term, because they can't enslave, diddle or sacrifice them ect. ect. as easily as they want.
Long term, because either you or your successors will fuck them up.
With the mentally unhinged as easy to grow and dispose pawns it's a matter of which long term group can more readily move them to do their bidding.
That's not to say the short term groups don't band together more often then not, but it's based on all them maintaining their place and ready to backstab till they expire.
Expanding this to each connected chain where subordinates have subordinates or call on useful idiots.
Some with totally legal moves. And others that just need to never be caught.
The competence of the chain is more like mercenary or auction work, whoever can get it done, their reputation of getting stuff done and the price of payment. A fluid sort of structure of sorts.
New talents can come in, and old talents and bring in some into the family trade.
Some are actually talented at what they do. More often than not is the low skill but long term positioning to do one thing. Some can't do it.
If they can't they get removed one way or another or they get to try again.
Also groups can subcontract out to other groups.
Thus in short the web of intrigue with a wide array of skill, competence, morals, desires and micro-networks.
Some are retards, some have to not be totally retarded to keep the wheels greased.
So yes it is possible to have a vast conspiracy full of fuck tards and lock step competence.
Maintaining that needs some dark deeds done daily. The logistics network for that, can be broken.
If the short term fucks don't get their fix, they turn to whoever can, and if not they become more self destructive.
Up and up the chain and networks it goes the consequences of a ruined logistics network.
One thing to note is that interpersonal rivalries or enemies can and do occur, but being less useful to others means they're more likely to be replaced and the rival or personal enemy wins.
Reality is stranger. Also at times simple.
Many who seek positions of power are unburdened by morals, except as a tool for public support.
People have high points and low points, in cognition and efficacy.
Long term planning can be done by whoever wants it (satan jews and muslims and any one else that can contented with those two interest groups for that long) in exchange for immoral short term gains.
Now sometimes the short term gains fuck up the long term and vis versa.
However the short term actors get their fix from the long term planners they just do a general guideline sometimes with specific instructions.
Getting into the loop is a matter of who you know, how useful you are and if you meet their criteria.
Useful retards are given extremely short term gains, such as antifa. They get feeling and most of that psychological conditioning. Just as easily disposed of... usually.
The longer term asset against how short term gains that they can get is how disposable they are.
There are differing factions within those groups and between short term and long term and various counter workings with long term vs long term.
They all think (You) as you currently are is a problem, especially if you have children raised in a loving environment.
Short term, because they can't enslave, diddle or sacrifice them ect. ect. as easily as they want.
Long term, because either you or your successors will fuck them up.
With the mentally unhinged as easy to grow and dispose pawns it's a matter of which long term group can more readily move them to do their bidding.
That's not to say the short term groups don't band together more often then not, but it's based on all them maintaining their place and ready to backstab till they expire.
Expanding this to each connected chain where subordinates have subordinates or call on useful idiots.
Some with totally legal moves. And others that just need to never be caught.
The competence of the chain is more like mercenary or auction work, whoever can get it done, their reputation of getting stuff done and the price of payment. A fluid sort of structure of sorts.
New talents can come in, and old talents and bring in some into the family trade.
Some are actually talented at what they do. More often than not is the low skill but long term positioning to do one thing. Some can't do it.
If they can't they get removed one way or another or they get to try again.
Also groups can subcontract out to other groups.
Thus in short the web of intrigue with a wide array of skill, competence, morals, desires and micro-networks.
Some are retards, some have to not be totally retarded to keep the wheels greased.
So yes it is possible to have a vast conspiracy full of fuck tards and lock step competence.
Maintaining that needs some dark deeds done daily. The logistics network for that, can be broken.
If the short term fucks don't get their fix, they turn to whoever can, and if not they become more self destructive.
Up and up the chain and networks it goes the consequences of a ruined logistics network.
One thing to note is that interpersonal rivalries or enemies can and do occur, but being less useful to others means they're more likely to be replaced and the rival or personal enemy wins.
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Classy as always.
>>374926
Dude, read the post.
I am saying that the best explanation for the result that we got is that Matthew Crooks, acting alone, or in conspiracy with people of talent and resources similar to his own, tried to kill Donald Trump. The evidence is not consistent with a failed attempt by a well-funded and well-connected conspiracy to kill Donald Trump. The evidence is also not consistent with a staged assassination attempt.
>Who
People have suggested that it was staged. It's not a popular opinion in this thread, but people have said it.
Dude, read the post.
I am saying that the best explanation for the result that we got is that Matthew Crooks, acting alone, or in conspiracy with people of talent and resources similar to his own, tried to kill Donald Trump. The evidence is not consistent with a failed attempt by a well-funded and well-connected conspiracy to kill Donald Trump. The evidence is also not consistent with a staged assassination attempt.
>Who
People have suggested that it was staged. It's not a popular opinion in this thread, but people have said it.
>>374929
>the evidence is not consistent with a failed assassination attempt OR a legitimate assassination attempt
I'm eager to hear you validate that point
>the evidence is not consistent with a failed assassination attempt OR a legitimate assassination attempt
I'm eager to hear you validate that point
>>374930
It's not consistent with a failed or legitimate assassination attempt by someone with resources and connections. I'm pretty sure we are in fact looking at a failed, legitimate assassination attempt, carried out by a 20 year old leftist activist whose most notable accomplishment is a math award, and who was blessed with a very not-trigger happy Secret Service detail to be up against.
Where am I wrong in >>374917 >>374898
>>374855 ? Do you have any arguments as to why we should believe this is a failed assassination attempt by a group with solid connections and resources? Or in the alternative, that this was staged?
It's not consistent with a failed or legitimate assassination attempt by someone with resources and connections. I'm pretty sure we are in fact looking at a failed, legitimate assassination attempt, carried out by a 20 year old leftist activist whose most notable accomplishment is a math award, and who was blessed with a very not-trigger happy Secret Service detail to be up against.
Where am I wrong in >>374917 >>374898
>>374855 ? Do you have any arguments as to why we should believe this is a failed assassination attempt by a group with solid connections and resources? Or in the alternative, that this was staged?
>>374931
>I'm pretty sure
Oh, well that makes all the difference in the world, doesnt it?
>Where am I wrong in
Because you assume a comprehensive perspective, while ignoring perpsectives
>I'm pretty sure
Oh, well that makes all the difference in the world, doesnt it?
>Where am I wrong in
Because you assume a comprehensive perspective, while ignoring perpsectives
No one (that I know of) said "believe" anything, except you who's mind seems quite made up. Im just offering different perspectives. Thats still allowed, yes?
>>374929
Plausible deniability.
A mostly useless asset was in position. On the off chance they fuck up, which they shouldn't it's some radical nutjob which is true but the ties can be discredited via the usual means and methods.
Mostly cheap and easy to give it a shot. And either way won't have to be paid because he's dead either way. On the off chance he survives it's worth it for them to remove such a strange player.
That doesn't mean all the long term groups were on board or short term groups, but enough to have the ball rolling and fuck it up.
Enough to try it with whatever they pulled.
>Staged.
Then there's some strange bedfellows making it look staged and real enough.
>Deliberately miss (which could actually kill the president) or have an alternative means to wound and kill the bystanders.
Which would require a higher order of competence from more people, and equipment and with all the other potential digital recordings accounted for.
<reality is a strange place.
Plausible deniability.
A mostly useless asset was in position. On the off chance they fuck up, which they shouldn't it's some radical nutjob which is true but the ties can be discredited via the usual means and methods.
Mostly cheap and easy to give it a shot. And either way won't have to be paid because he's dead either way. On the off chance he survives it's worth it for them to remove such a strange player.
That doesn't mean all the long term groups were on board or short term groups, but enough to have the ball rolling and fuck it up.
Enough to try it with whatever they pulled.
>Staged.
Then there's some strange bedfellows making it look staged and real enough.
>Deliberately miss (which could actually kill the president) or have an alternative means to wound and kill the bystanders.
Which would require a higher order of competence from more people, and equipment and with all the other potential digital recordings accounted for.
<reality is a strange place.
>>374937
The thing is that there were alternative possible shooters that would have had an equal amount of plausible deniability, but would have had a greater chance at success that it's very hard to believe that Crooks would have been chosen by a larger conspiracy. Of course someone like a former Navy Seal Sniper would have drawn attention, but that's unnecessary. There are so many better options
Look at Lee Harvey Oswald; he's a pretty good example. Lee Harvey Oswald was a former US Marine who undertook actual firearms training. He was trained as a shooter, and qualified as a "sharpshooter. It is a well known story that a shot that was graded as a "miss" in a test was very likely a hit that went through the hole of previous bullet. He was employed at the Texas School Book depository. Lee Harvey Oswald was all around a more likely candidate to succeed at assassinating a president than Crooks ever was, but still plausibly just a cooky communist.
I went to school with a former US Airforce security guard who was a hell-bent committed Democrat. I know several Democrats who are avid gun owners and shooters. People who hate Trump but also actually know how to use a gun are not that uncommon. There are tens of thousands, and likely millions of liberals who own firearms, know how to use them, or even have military experience using firearms.
Matthew Crooks didn't have much range experience. He was not in the ROTC, he wasn't a veteran. He didn't even have his own gun. The price of failing at this assassination attempt for anyone trying is very high - they would have taken it seriously and wouldn't have risked it on Matthew Crooks. There are so many better candidates that are equal in plausible deniability, like that old classmate of mine.
The thing is that there were alternative possible shooters that would have had an equal amount of plausible deniability, but would have had a greater chance at success that it's very hard to believe that Crooks would have been chosen by a larger conspiracy. Of course someone like a former Navy Seal Sniper would have drawn attention, but that's unnecessary. There are so many better options
Look at Lee Harvey Oswald; he's a pretty good example. Lee Harvey Oswald was a former US Marine who undertook actual firearms training. He was trained as a shooter, and qualified as a "sharpshooter. It is a well known story that a shot that was graded as a "miss" in a test was very likely a hit that went through the hole of previous bullet. He was employed at the Texas School Book depository. Lee Harvey Oswald was all around a more likely candidate to succeed at assassinating a president than Crooks ever was, but still plausibly just a cooky communist.
I went to school with a former US Airforce security guard who was a hell-bent committed Democrat. I know several Democrats who are avid gun owners and shooters. People who hate Trump but also actually know how to use a gun are not that uncommon. There are tens of thousands, and likely millions of liberals who own firearms, know how to use them, or even have military experience using firearms.
Matthew Crooks didn't have much range experience. He was not in the ROTC, he wasn't a veteran. He didn't even have his own gun. The price of failing at this assassination attempt for anyone trying is very high - they would have taken it seriously and wouldn't have risked it on Matthew Crooks. There are so many better candidates that are equal in plausible deniability, like that old classmate of mine.
>>374866
Oh, heck, I'm retarded. Forget about it.
On a side note. It would be kinda surprising if the remotely detonated explosives were actually in a functional state. I wouldn't call it a lone wolf hit if that's the case.
Oh, heck, I'm retarded. Forget about it.
On a side note. It would be kinda surprising if the remotely detonated explosives were actually in a functional state. I wouldn't call it a lone wolf hit if that's the case.
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some other crap developing
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/trump-rally-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks-discord-account-deleted-company-issues-statement-article-111737768
>shitcord roleplays police and decides to delete suspects account declaring nothing to see there
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/15/trump-rally-shooting-suspect-phone-fbi
>Phone cracked
https://www.timesnownews.com/world/us/us-news/trump-rally-shooter-thomas-matthew-crooks-discord-account-deleted-company-issues-statement-article-111737768
>shitcord roleplays police and decides to delete suspects account declaring nothing to see there
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/jul/15/trump-rally-shooting-suspect-phone-fbi
>Phone cracked
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and as speculations have started to fly from all sides to all directions, lets add some stuff in that pile
>>374939
Another theory is that a minor section wanted to be more influential called the resources it has on call, but didn't want to pay an exorbitant price for a suicide mission so penny pinched to a minimum viable stooge. Or for a ritualistic purpose. Or for reputation.
Another theory is that a minor section wanted to be more influential called the resources it has on call, but didn't want to pay an exorbitant price for a suicide mission so penny pinched to a minimum viable stooge. Or for a ritualistic purpose. Or for reputation.
>>374928
>staged
>when literally people died
>when bullets have to fly in the general direction of the man
No matter how competent one is with a gun, both are just such massive coin flips that no sane human being/org would ever cook it up. Now who's the one all conspiracy-theorizing?
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that this whole event is genuinely divine intervention, cuz the reverberations knocking off the masks of these evil people all through the world borders on supernatural.
>staged
>when literally people died
>when bullets have to fly in the general direction of the man
No matter how competent one is with a gun, both are just such massive coin flips that no sane human being/org would ever cook it up. Now who's the one all conspiracy-theorizing?
I'm becoming increasingly convinced that this whole event is genuinely divine intervention, cuz the reverberations knocking off the masks of these evil people all through the world borders on supernatural.
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https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2024/07/18/former-classmate-shooter-insinuated-he-was-stupid-for-supporting-trump/
>another classmate said the shooter wasn't a loner and hung out with friend group that threatened to shoot up their school
>also was a know-it-all
>another classmate said the shooter wasn't a loner and hung out with friend group that threatened to shoot up their school
>also was a know-it-all
>>374963
Oy vey goy twelve millions? Wasn't it twleve thousands? Overcharging twelve hundreds?
How much was it Moshe?
As yes it was twleve uhhh shares.
It was some goys falt too.
We did it on the... twelfth.
Yes goy it's all just a big misunderstanding, nothing to see here.
Oy vey goy twelve millions? Wasn't it twleve thousands? Overcharging twelve hundreds?
How much was it Moshe?
As yes it was twleve uhhh shares.
It was some goys falt too.
We did it on the... twelfth.
Yes goy it's all just a big misunderstanding, nothing to see here.
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Time Magazine has removed the Evan Vucci picture of former President Trump from their upcoming issue, claiming it is "photoganda"
Combined with Wikipedia making frantic moves to ban any uploading or display of that image, I look forward to it becoming the photo that never happened and every effort being made to just delete it from reality.
Considering the massive newsstand surges of previous "Event Covers" such as 9/11, the Kennedy assassination, Princess Diana's funeral, etc., it is interesting that Time is willfully forfeiting tens of millions of dollars in revenue from checkout sales to stand by their political principles.
Axios has an interesting piece interviewing numerous journalists saying that Vucci was wrong to even release the photo and should have simply discarded it when he realized how much it would help Trump, but he is a freelancer and needed a paycheck
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/16/trump-shooting-photos-photographers-view
Combined with Wikipedia making frantic moves to ban any uploading or display of that image, I look forward to it becoming the photo that never happened and every effort being made to just delete it from reality.
Considering the massive newsstand surges of previous "Event Covers" such as 9/11, the Kennedy assassination, Princess Diana's funeral, etc., it is interesting that Time is willfully forfeiting tens of millions of dollars in revenue from checkout sales to stand by their political principles.
Axios has an interesting piece interviewing numerous journalists saying that Vucci was wrong to even release the photo and should have simply discarded it when he realized how much it would help Trump, but he is a freelancer and needed a paycheck
https://www.axios.com/2024/07/16/trump-shooting-photos-photographers-view
>>374855
Most points seconded. Any chucklefuck could have easily caused far worse. This entire situation is far too fluid to have been planned large scale in any manner.
Also fuck everyone at Uvalde and all acorn copniggers.
>>374876
THIS. zog is utter nepotism that encourages complete laziness, extreme ignorance, extreme arrogance, and blind devotion, combined with the ultimate inferiority-superiority conflict.
Most points seconded. Any chucklefuck could have easily caused far worse. This entire situation is far too fluid to have been planned large scale in any manner.
Also fuck everyone at Uvalde and all acorn copniggers.
>>374876
THIS. zog is utter nepotism that encourages complete laziness, extreme ignorance, extreme arrogance, and blind devotion, combined with the ultimate inferiority-superiority conflict.
>>374928
>Fucking Chatoyance here to bitch about the assassination attempt being a failure.
Faggot, you created a giant fanfiction series about ponies doing dystopian human-to-pony-conversion bullshit that was completely antithetical to the message of Friendship. You're one to fucking talk.
>Fucking Chatoyance here to bitch about the assassination attempt being a failure.
Faggot, you created a giant fanfiction series about ponies doing dystopian human-to-pony-conversion bullshit that was completely antithetical to the message of Friendship. You're one to fucking talk.
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