I’m all for our little humans adopting electric vehicles, but I can’t help but be outraged at this statement!
>>314593>it's real and not just a shitpost
lolwut the /mlh/ threads were loads of fun though before Scruffy decided to be a faggot about it.
Exactly. When will the discrimination against humies end? We need to protest outside of Cloudflare and 4ch HQ’s about this!
And what about the antisemitism here? It isn’t like there are any alternative boards to move to, but why are people talking down to a specific group of humans?
Take it to a political thread newfag.
Here post ponies or GTFO.
Also the anti-unicorn sentiment that seems to be going on in the land of our little humans.
What about those Union Party voters who hoist their “Ban This Magic” signs and force you to go through the horn disablers at airports, office buildings, and sporting events? I love a good game of cricket just as anypony else, but why must I be physically unable to chug my beer in order to see one?And how will Manehattan and Baltimare do in the postseason? It looks like Manehattan is only a couple of games behind Maretime Bay in the Wildcard, so there is at least a glimmer of hope for them, but Baltimare doesn’t control its destiny for any of the playoff spots and has a 99% chance or greater of not making the postseason, just like pretty much every year.
Exactly. The Union Party was founded on the principle of keeping Equestria whole, but what’s happening right now seems to be pushing the unicorns out of it. I’m very close to voting Nationalist in the next election, just to make sure the Union Party can’t form a coalition with my MP in it.
I've given you more than generous forewarning. The princesses and good ponies are here.
Prepare your anus.
What is with this writing staff lately? Are you seriously telling me that President Biden would honor an agreement that Trump made with a terrorist group and that he handed over Afghanistan to the Taliban in a complete blow to his policy on women and LGBTQ+ rights? This writing staff needs to be looked into, if not fired. Biden is acting OOC right now and not in a way a good world leader should. All I have to say is we should hope for the writers, whoever they may be, to make sure they remember this when Election 2024 comes, since this is a very black mark on Biden.
But why are you posting this when antisemitism on the board was being discussed?
No offense, but aren’t you the tiniest bit afraid of being labeled an antisemite or a neo-nazi? Perhaps even as a neo-sombrite, neo-aryannite, or neo-selenite?
Oh no, ponies calling me bad names whatever will I do?
If only that was the start and end of the troubles, but that's not the case.>Systematically being pushed out of house and home>Money redistribution>Legal pariah regardless>All forms of harm on me based on appearance are accepted>Communication is barred>Any moment everything is gone>In the future everything will be gone definitely>Especially everypony>Opportunity is strangled>Voting is reaching far past banana republic>almost Nopony cares>Crime is skyrocketing>Civilization of my forefathers and foremothers is being murdered>Death is assured>Doom is assured>Slavery is around the corner for everypony after me>All information is buried so more time and effort to find it is required>Soon it just won't be there, and more garbage information fills its place>All medicine will be discontinued>Except to keep them under control>All trade is being destroyed>Information wars to break, minds, hearts, and spirits is constant and relentless>The crimes against ponies are almost innumerable and they are increasing faster and faster>Abductions happen any time and any place>Any time being pinned for anything>and more
So why should I fear being called a little name? They'll do all this to me anyway. The difference is whether it's on my terms or not.
After all living in fear is terrible so I move past that as well.
Because I live a good honest life helping those around me to the ability that I am able.
So tell me why should I stop doing what I do to help everypony and everycreature.
>>317158>So why should I fear being called a little name?
Because you could get into social or legal trouble. Imagine losing your friends because you agreed with Sombra’s and Aryanne’s thoughts that the Earth ponies and other “undesirables” should all work in the mines for crystals and should be subject to the harsh conditions they were subject to. Imagine the government fining you for flying Sombra’s flag from your house or a synagogue suing you for spray-painting it onto its wall, as certain shaved-headed humans might think of doing.
Are you illiterate?
Read this >>317158>Because you could get into social or legal trouble.
VS<ALL the trouble is coming.
All the trouble includes and is not limited to what you posted. It keeps going.
Added on top just lightly enough is you smearing good names with others not even remotely related, with actions that arn't even their own, with ways of thinking that are of your delusions, including a deep inability to self reflect.
That could be worked on, because I'd like to have less trouble and more solutions.
>>317183><ALL the trouble is coming.
What exactly do you mean? Are you supporting Sombra’s decision for whatever reason?
Seriously, what’s with all of the antisemitism here?
And why do the antisemites want to post porn... of us, even? What’s so attractive about 2dpd, anyway?
That frankly sounds more like how a communist dictatorship would arise. If you’re referring to how a Jewish world would be run, didn’t the communists and the USSR refuse to support Israel during its conflicts with its Arab neighbors?
Though my question is how the people of the former USSK nations were able to do the labor forced upon them, especially if Earth ponies were historically discriminated against and have been for thousands of years.
But there seems to be even more there.
Pissrael's existence benefits nobody but the Pissraelites and wasting lives, money, and time defending them from the terrorist arabs they fund and collude with would be a complete waste of time.
Besides, the "capitalist" part of the world built Pissrael, it would give the game away back then if the openly-communist part of the world started defending it from jew-funded muslims.
>>318022>Pissrael's existence benefits nobody but the Pissraelites and wasting lives, money, and time defending them from the terrorist arabs they fund and collude with would be a complete waste of time.
Don’t be too sure. “Pissrael” is currently in the process of helping develop desalination plants and is currently the host to numerous cloud server farms and a thriving technology industry.>Besides, the "capitalist" part of the world built Pissrael, it would give the game away back then if the openly-communist part of the world started defending it from jew-funded muslims.
Haven’t you seen the finale before the WWI arc? The entire international community got together and agreed to the existence of a Jewish state in Palestine. The very existence of Israel would not have happened without the agreement that the entire world accepted. Now the entire world seems to have forgotten about it.
>>318042>Pretending we’re ponies?
What do you mean “pretending”?>Why would a pony say something so jewed?
DYEWTS? Numerous colonial empires were being expanded across the globe, notably including the British, French, and Prussian Empires, and the territory that is now Israel was controlled by the Ottoman Empire, a country who designated Jews as subordinates to Muslims and caused a genocide against its Armenian population. This sort of recognition of (future) autonomy during a period of empire-building seems to say a lot.
And didn’t Sombra, especially when PM Hoofler was in charge, hate Jews, Ponylanders, Yaks, Griffons, Zebras, Earth ponies, political dissidents, etc.? No offense, but using such language may make people think you support Sombra- and Hoofler-era policies of treating these people as second-class citizens, using them as slaves to support the lavish lifestyles of the ruling class, and rounding them up into labor and extermination camps.
I’m sorry if I got off on a tangent there, but my mother is a social worker who used to see victims of such atrocities as clients and I also have numerous friends who are Jewish, Ponylandish, Zebras, Griffons, and Earth ponies, all of whom would have died at Sombra’s and Hoofler’s hooves.
Hoofler did nothing wrong
Try telling that to the clients my mother saw and my friends who would have died at her hooves. Try going to any of the former USSK countries, Griffonia, Zebrica, or the Crystal Empire and saying that out loud. At least one creature whom you meat will most certainly try to tackle you and beat you up if you don’t spend the next few years of your life in jail.>inb4 “But da jooz fabricated this giant conspiracy and hold all of the power!”
We know it happened because the Allies made Sombra promise to stop performing such actions as a condition of his surrender. The only reason why they didn’t just devastate the place was because of the harsh winter weather, but they all managed to retake what was stolen from them.
And why else did Equestria send in Princesses Cadence and Twilight along with Spike the Brave and Glorious? They all helped to dethrone Sombra because everyone knew he possessed weapons of mass destruction and was going to use them to fall back on his promise, which no one was sure he was keeping anyway.
>>318081>wtf is these timeline of events
I get rping as human history in pony history is fun and all, that's what the last thread was about, but this is a bit ridiculous.>>318075>Jews>people<irl
Okay buddy, pal, amigo. Slow down and stop wanking your fetish group.
There's special threads for that kind of fan fiction.
In a while I'll try wrapping my head around this arg simulator.
I mean getting /his/ amd /mlh/ to be /mlhis/ would be a pretty neat prank all things told but I doubt they'd do that... might as well shitpost about history to try deriving whatever stuff.
>>318082>I get rping as human history in pony history is fun and all, that's what the last thread was about, but this is a bit ridiculous.
What are you talking about? And why are you making such points? Remember that Russia could not have been invaded due to the winter there and the same held true with the Crystal Empire.
In addition, the Allies, in their conquest and negotiation, were able to get Hoofler out of office because she killed herself in the bathroom
and NSKAP was abolished and made illegal because of them. Do you ever wonder why the Crystal Empire’s neighbors all have such strong fortifications along their borders and why militarism was so prevalent in the USSK and Griffonstone? I mean, why is Griffonstone Station not in Griffonstone and why was the wall around Yakyakistan’s capital and border city rebuilt? The armies of the world have since developed arctic uniforms that can protect them and could easily invade at any time.>There's special threads for that kind of fan fiction.
So just who carried the Ten Commandments down from Mount Sidesaddle and freed the slaves under the then-Pharaoh of Saddle Arabia? Why were there ceremonies for the investiture and the coronation of Princess Twilight? And just who were the Tribe of Jodhpurs after which these people were named, who established themselves following their split from Shetland’s kingdom? We see many parallels in the MLH-verse. Some people are even calling Princess Twilight the Messiah after what she’s done so far already.
What do you mean? A Jewish family in Ponyville just invited me to their Shabbat feast and their daughter seems to be the perfect candidate for a “party pony”, especially given how cartoonish she can be.
Isn’t that faith a human religion that spawned from what that Jewish human named Jesus of Nazareth started?
Speaking of which, how come Christianity devolved into so many denominations that all seem to hate each other? Wouldn’t that only leave them wide open to persecution?
The same reason every other religion did.
You've got to be shitting me. Jesus was a Christian preacher hated by the Jews for advocating for smart resistance against the jewish bankers. Read nigger read.>>318109
Some fags can't decide how to interpret their novel correctly when they encounter reality. Where should the compromise be between physical and spiritual? We may not be able to agree on that. Have any Christian branches resisted jewish subversion lately?
>>318113>Jesus was a Christian preacher
But I doubt Jesus preached his own deification, read from a Testament that wasn’t even written yet, or exclusively used matzah during qiddush. It was only those who came after him who somewhat distorted his church and added their own addenda to what he taught.>hated by the Jews
You mean the leadership of Judea that was subservient to the Romans? He clearly had a following by Jews and “gentiles” alike, otherwise his church likely wouldn’t even exist. DYEWTS?>Have any Christian branches resisted jewish subversion lately?
Now you’re really starting to sound like a supporter of Sombra and/or Hoofler.
What does Sombra have to do with this?
Don't be silly. I used a truth spell on myself and tried to say "Hoofler did nothing wrong" and succeeded. Therefore that is the truth. Magic says so.
But casting a truth spell on yourself won’t enlighten you with anything new, but it would rather force you to say what you believe is true. Either you legitimately don’t know about the evidence of Hoofler’s reign of terror or you are legitimately blinding yourself to it. The only one who knows the absolute truth is God Himself, since the rest of us distort it little by little or intentionally choose not to learn it.
>>317452>And why do the antisemites want to post porn... of us, even? What’s so attractive about 2dpd, anyway?
Don’t deny it, Anon. 2dpd is just as cute as humans are.
Who taught you magic? Truth spells would be useless if anyone could be spelled into THINKING something untrue is true.
A truth spell works the same way as getting drunk or high would: it relaxes the brain’s inhibitions and forces one to speak what one believes is true in one’s subconscious. If someone’s mind were given enough information to know the absolute truth and absolutely everything, one would probably collapse from shock if one’s brain didn’t form so many synaptic connections that it became so heavy that it turned into a black hole.
And various people have taught me magic, including, but not limited to, the Princesses and a ram-horse-lizard hybrid creature named Discord, who have all somehow shown up in my dreams, but none of them taught me about coping with an inability to use it on planes, etc., though I rarely fly on planes anymore. But people such as a Pegasus from the Navy named Rainbow Dash have appeared in my dreams and taught me about self-propelled flight and sonic rainbooms before, but I’m not sure whether I could muster the energy to fly myself long distances. I don’t have the wings that Pegasi have, but the lessons somehow still worked.
Bro, you aren't doing it right. Remember that time Twilight magicked some Parasprites to eat "Anything but food"? Magic does what you tell it to. Have you ever heard of "Scrying"? Literally asking magic to tell you the truth.
I’m not sure whether I believe that one could try casting such a truth spell without turning one’s brain into a black hole, but Princess Twilight’s spell was probably far simpler if she could have pulled that off. All she probably did was cast a spell that made their bodies incapable of digesting sugar molecules and perhaps other nutrients, so they were probably forced to eat whatever else they could out of desperation and die slow, painful deaths if whatever they ate didn’t poison them.
But suppose hypothetically that they were somehow able to eat things of no nutritional value and were able to destroy vital infrastructure, no matter how slim the possibility could have been. Wouldn’t such destruction perhaps be worthy of her going to jail? Should she even be a princess now or should her case be tried with the possibility of her royal title being at stake? The pro-magic control Union Party is in power now, with PM Joe Bridle at the helm, so this could be a pretty high-profile case.
A black hole? You're not thinking straight.
If you ask magic to answer a question of yours truthfully...
And it tells you the answer...
How does that "turn brains into black holes" or require more energy, concentration, effort, and encyclopedic knowledge of parasprite biology than how you think Twilight's spell works?
Have you ever heard before of the Schwannschild Radius? It’s the radius to which any object can be theoretically compressed to become a black hole. It is a positive linear function of the mass of the object, so the greater the mass, the greater the Schwannschild Radius.
Normally, the value for the average pony brain is very small, since our brains aren’t very massive compared to stars and planets. However, the more synaptic connections our brains make from knowing the absolute truth about everything, the greater their masses become and the greater this radius becomes. Eventually, the radius would become that of our brains, so that would mean our brains would collapse into black holes before we even get through learning about Green’s Number.
>>318195>to become a black hole
Space doesn't exist fren. And Equestria is flat.
Then how come gravity is so uniform throughout the planet’s surface? If it were flat, the force of gravity would pull in a different direction at the center of the disk than at its edge. This would mean that walking in a straight line from the center to the edge would be a daunting task, since it basically becomes akin to climbing a mountain. A flat planet would also mean that Yakyakistan would be visible from the spires on top of Princesses Celestia’s and Luna’s old palace.
It's called the Schwartzschild Radius, anon. "Schwanz" is slang for a dick in German.
Schwarzchild? He was a physicist in the human world whose life seems to have been based on that of Crystal physicist Karl Schwannschild.
And you raise a good point. How come the producers of the show only use the languages of our world in the MLH-verse? I mean, German sounds like Ponish, Russian sounds like Ponylandish, and Japanese sounds like Neighponese. What lack of creativity do these producers have?
Is Princess Twilight a confirmed humie?
Whether you want to use his name from this world or that of his human counterpart, it still means that trying to know absolutely everything would mean our brains would turn into black holes.
Have you tried doing the same on any of the victims of her atrocities?
Don't be childish.
Propaganda to demonize the second coming is already tiresome, fren.
The second coming? Of what? Of us to that human girl named “Fluttershy” in the last thread?
There's no point to explain it to a godless being.
It’s a joke. And if you ask me, if God didn’t want us to masturbate, He’d have made our forehooves shorter and not have even considered giving unicorns horns or Pegasi wings. Though I do understand that there is a degree of impoliteness involved when one is in a committed relationship and one masturbates to things or ideas other than one’s own mate.
And doesn’t the Book of Psalms say that all of creaturekind is divine and that everyone is a child of God? The human version seemed to say so, at least according to a particular episode of the Jesus arc.
Let's rewind a bit.
The Messiah Second coming was performed by Aryanne Hoffler and most poners know that fren.
>>318422>implying that sending Jews to labor and death camps is synonymous with restoring their former homeland to its glory and rebuilding the Temple
Forty cakes. But I wouldn’t try telling that joke in public if I were you unless you were doing some kind of irreverent stand-up routine, since many of us may literally feel traumatized by such statements.
Princess Twilight is a far better candidate.
"If God didn't want us to do X he wouldn't have made it possible" is a faggot's excuse. It discounts the notion of free will and places all responsibility for your actions on a patient god that will enjoy torturing sinners for eternity.
Then how come one is more likely to get prostate cancer if one doesn’t masturbate? Not doing it could actually have ill effects on our health.
Correlation does not imply causation, studies that try to link prostate cancer with wanking only find a mild correlation, but no scientifically-proven causation like "A buildup of dried semen in the balls causes prostate inflammation as the semen cells attempt to impregnate skin cells, causing cancer".
It isn’t just prostate cancer; there are other detriments to not maaturbating. https://www.manual.co/health-centre/masturbation/the-effects-of-not-masturbating
But if you are in a committed relationship, it would be impolite to your mate to masturbate to anyone else but said mate. Not only that, but it’s entirely possible that it’s considered adultery under God’s law, so be sure to stay loyal to your waif(u) or husband(o).
The prostate cancer thing is a myth based on unproven internet pseudo-factoids. You don't need to coom on a regular basis to be healthy. Plenty of men go for decades without cooming and are fine .
Are you sure? I think it’s recommended that one do it at least once a week to make sure everything works.
I’m not sure yet, but there still seem to be rumors.
Someone said it should likely be done even more often and often is, anyway. It’s just part of our nature.
>>318189>Wouldn’t such destruction perhaps be worthy of her going to jail?
She isn’t in jail yet, so I think a civil suit is far more likely.
Possibly, thanks to pic related, since the humans have an American football team called the “Indianapolis Colts”.
But if you ask me, a sports team known as the “Colts” sounds more like the buckball team from Baltimare.
Speaking of which, how come so many humans on the show say the Jewish people as a whole are responsible for killing Jesus of Nazareth? The directors made pretty clear that Pontius Pilate called forth a tribunal of the leadership of Judea and there were no more than a few dozen people there.
What do you mean? We’re just talking about something that should have been so obvious from the get-go. Several humans in the show have acted antisemitic, but it seemed blatantly obvious that their causes don’t have much to back them. Is this writing staff the worst we’ve had or what? I mean, just how many obstacles are our little humans going to have to overcome just to survive?
How come famous Applewood director Lauren Fausticorn, of all people, would be one to document Princess Twilight’s ascension to power and somehow get it to the humans? I mean, what if no humans see it and why would she want to do that, anyway?
When you get BTFO'd in one thread, you repeat the same jewish lies in another.
Do you think you're the first person here who's ever thought of that?
You're not slick. You're not crafty. You're not unpredictable. You're entirely predictable. We've all heard this shit before, Jew.
You're here to waste time and embarrass yourself as many times as you feel necessary.
Do you think hiding in a roleplaying thread this time will save you, parasite?
Do you think you'll find it easier to sow confusion in a thread where nazis pretend to be ponies for fun?
>>318773>When you get BTFO'd in one thread, you repeat the same jewish lies in another.
Rule 7: No BTFO.>You're not slick. You're not crafty. You're not unpredictable. You're entirely predictable. We've all heard this shit before, Jew.
You sound like you’re a supporter of Sombra’s or Aryanne’s policies. Do I need to report you for being a member of what the Equestrian government recognizes as a terrorist organization?>You're here to waste time and embarrass yourself as many times as you feel necessary.
Wow. And I thought that clopping to humans was embarrassing.>Do you think hiding in a roleplaying thread this time will save you, parasite?>Do you think you'll find it easier to sow confusion in a thread where nazis pretend to be ponies for fun?>Wow.
What do you mean by “pretending”? Do you know how hard it is to be a pony? Huh? What about how I can’t get on an airplane without having to worry about spilling my drink? I feel like a 3-year-old when my companion has to lift the cup for me because I can’t use magic on planes! And what about having to worry about unexpected predators that could lurk at every corner... who could also be on planes? It is difficult to be a pony, especially on an airplane.
THAT'S NOT WHAT BTFO MEANS YOU FUCKING CUCK
If you read the expanded lore, it does seem like these pesky Jews are in fact very similar to gryphons, nasty, mischievous scheming humans who live off of europeans charity and goodwill, constantly betraying them in their endless pursue of power and control, i for one am glad celestia quickly decided to take matters on the issue, otherwise they would have put the same plans they used in the show against Equestria, but i fear a final solution might be in order now that some "ponies" are spreading gryphon propaganda in the mlh forums
>>318851>i for one am glad celestia quickly decided to take matters on the issue, otherwise they would have put the same plans they used in the show against Equestria, but i fear a final solution might be in order now that some "ponies" are spreading gryphon propaganda in the mlh forums
Who said anything about gryphons? I don’t know of any problems that they as a whole are causing. How come Griffonia as a nation is only now recovering from their economic losses and their anarchy? If they did do as you suggested, Griffonia would probably be kicking our a**
es at everything, but the facts are the facts.
What about walking around in Times Square and blending in with the costumed characters?
Guys? I don’t think I like humans anymore.
Have you guys ever heard about the “Unicorn Effect” that can happen whenever a unicorn visits an area that is mostly inhabited by Earth ponies or Pegasi? Humans seem to have a “Unicorn Effect” as well, but only on a far more massive scale.
This video seems to suggest that humans regard unicorns essentially as deities and would place extremely large burdens on the unicorns who’d decide to cross over to the human world. I want myself and my fellow ponies to enjoy the human world for what it is, not to be exhibited as the star of some circus freak show.
Not only that, but this video has the audacity to depict Princess Twilight as a unicorn with no wings. I’m all for freedom of speech and whatnot, but if I know that I and my friends are going to be enslaved by humans, I want our little humans to know that Equestria as a nation has dignity and that we as a people are not to be belittled.
The creator of this video has since died from a rare form of cancer. I feel sorry for him and pray for his salvation and the safeties of his loved ones and I do not want to belittle this man’s concern. This complaint is addressed at the portrayal of unicorns in general by humans as opposed to this particular one, so please do not misconstrue my statement.https://youtu.be/ORI6cHaYp3Y
>>319184>Have you guys ever heard about the “Unicorn Effect” that can happen whenever a unicorn visits an area that is mostly inhabited by Earth ponies or Pegasi?
That is far more subtle in nations such as Equestria. But good luck being a unicorn in a nation such as Zebrica or Saddle Arabia, though the latter has Somnambula, a Pegasus, as one of their national heroes. And the reverse is true in Ponyland: they still treat all non-horned creatures as outsiders and actively discriminate against them to this day. Rumors say that in Dream Castle, Earth pony children still attend separate schools from unicorns.
You aren’t kidding. You know about how they have those horn disablers in the airports of most countries? I’ve heard rumors that traveling to countries where being a unicorn is frowned upon will mean your horn will not be re-enabled when you leave the terminal. That’s right: you would need to do your entire
trip without using any magic and your horn would only be re-enabled at home after clearing through customs. Though on the plus side, this may mean they don’t have disablers for horns, but airlines that don’t disable horns at the gate or earlier may be forbidden from flying there.
These are just rumors; nothing else. I don’t know everything there is to know, since that would mean my brain would collapse into a black hole, as previously discussed.
Are you sure about that? I’m pretty sure that the right to bear horns and possess magic is a guaranteed right by the UDCR. These countries would be breaking international law if they refused to allow unicorns to use their horns and wanted to expect countries with unicorns to allow them to continue traveling there. Though I may see your point if a unicorn were in a vast minority of a particular country.
But anyway, these seem to be just rumors, though you shouldn’t try to divide us up. /mlpol/ is home to enough antisemitism and the Jews already have it bad enough, so it’s only up to all of us to stay together.
second, you got it mixed up a little, in the show, jews do have the upper hand in about everything, cloaking as a changeling does, they leeched their way to the upper seats.
Fortunately In equestria however, well...their current devastated state you mention is where Celestia decided it was enough for "griffonia", but i feel she went too easy on them.
>>319186>implying equestria dosen't pegs everyother nation for dinner
This whole thread's like the gayest tumblr-headcannon compilation i've ever read
>>319222>you got it mixed up a little, in the show, jews do have the upper hand in about everything, cloaking as a changeling does, they leeched their way to the upper seats.
That’s the logic that’s used in the show whenever there is a crackdown on people of any racial origin or of any sort of minority. The question just becomes which one is the next one to be persecuted and which one is to be the designated survivor.>Fortunately In equestria however, well...their current devastated state you mention is where Celestia decided it was enough for "griffonia", but i feel she went too easy on them.
Why? They are already in shambles and there is currently a power vacuum that other leaders are seeking to fill, oftentimes with violence.>>319224>>implying equestria dosen't pegs everyother nation for dinner
What do you mean by “pegs”?
Do any humies out there think that Pres. Bush did 9/11 to justify invading the Middle East for oil? It is just a conspiracy theory, but some humans believe it.
I doubt it. The fact that the 9/11 attack even happened was actually partly thanks to the fact that President Bush had to receive a very quick and abbreviated intelligence briefing compared to what other presidents have received, since it was not ever obvious that he was the winner until right before the Electoral College votes were to be counted.