Derpibooru has long been the center of image archiving for the My Little Pony fandom. But as recent events have shown, the owners and operators of that website are no longer interested in being an impartial image archive site, instead preferring to run an activist website for their own political biases. Large swathes of pony content face an uncertain future on that site or are effectively banned outright. The only way to guarantee that any site on the internet will impartially host content is to run it yourself. Thus, we made PonerPics.
Ponerpics.org is an image booru hosting pictures for the My Little Pony fandom with a particular emphasis on freedom for its users. Rules are minimal: the only existing rules are that images fall within legality, are relevant to ponies, and that no forum posts, comments or images are spammed. We're considering rules respecting the rights of artists and these may be added in the future. Ponerpics is a completely apolitical site. We do not care if your image expresses Nazism, Communism, Anarchism, sexuality of any kind, or if it expresses nothing at all – so long at it is pony. We merely host content for everyone. All legal content is permitted and there are no blanket bans or default filters for politics, Nazism, Communism, or OCs like Aryanne. For those who do not want to see certain content, like politics or fetishes, our site provides global filters to allow even logged-out users to browse as they please. This is a feature we intend to expand upon in the future.
Ponerpics is the combined effort of Atlas, Lotus, and Pupperwoff, the creators and administrators of mlpol.net, npfchan, and ASPNetChan. It is built upon the Philomena code developed by Derpibooru. Although the version you are seeing now is fairly early and is likely to encounter technical difficulties as it develops, we hope to improve the site over time and help it grow so that there may always be some corner of the internet where ponies may be posted freely.
>>274630 Strongly suggest public auditing of innocuous seeming changes, because given the nonchalant naming of the rate limiting cum "discouragement" system, there's no way to guarantee that the commit comments match the code, and given the political leanings and statements from people involved, there's only bad targets (us). We don't want a "Black Friday" DirecTV style attack where "safe" changes get smuggled in until they're all assembled together somehow (e.g. edge case in image conversion error handling trips other error, trips XYZ, until insert deniableBackdoorUserForDoxingandCPframing into poner). Feasible to put up a thread here and/or on the site itself for people to audit and approve changes before they get pushed to production, and put a few days delay into changes that aren't security critical?
Nice and I'm doing my part to put this site ahead of the competition! I'm not part of the staff but I'd like to ask anons to do their part and put in an hour to add the best art and test features. It's not part of the rules but I recommend quoting the original descriptions of works from Derpibooru, so a minimum of history is lost. Also while the site is new it's possible to establish changes in precedent regarding what tags can be used (the more images there are the greater the cost of switching). So go ahead and suggest how tagging can be improved to minimize images missing from relevant searches.
>>274628 /MLPOL/ continually and constantly shows to be the right decision with caring people and poners that make a real difference. Thank you, you magnificent awesome people. >>274645 I'd like to think it's in addition to. Secondly and most importantly this one is ran by the administrators, moderators, janitors, and other great people who make /MLPOL/ have a great team. Thirdly, because this is with trusted people there is a place for all works that won't be fucked around with. Either in shadow banning, quiet deletion of certain works, or making it harder for some users.
>>274647 The site is pretty bare right now. >>274628 >Ponerpics is the combined effort of Atlas, Lotus, and Pupperwoff, the creators and administrators of mlpol.net, npfchan, and ASPNetChan. >The only way to guarantee that any site on the internet will impartially host content is to run it yourself. Thus, we made PonerPics. The biggest tipoff is that it's pinned, but I'm not exactly sure who owns it either. Speaking of not exactly sure would politics (and non-poner related pictures/content) be allowed on ponerpics?
>>274648 Well, they had better make a policy page soon, because right now it isn't clear how it's run or who runs it. Transparency is the key, if you want to attract artists and a sufficient tagging community. Rainbooru and Ponybooru are already picking up steam right now.
>>274628 Fuck Derpibooru! I posted on their forum and said "Add me, SilverStarApple, to your DNP list because I hate communism and this site's staff is full of communists." What did they do? Gave me a one-week ban with an obvious lie in the ban message. Rule #6 - SilverStarApple7 ban evading. Go to Support if you want to appeal. (Ban ID: SF10165) I wasn't trying to appeal to them or beg for my ban to be removed, I was telling them to never put my art on their website again! I was spitting on their website's grave!
So are DNPs planned or not? With DNPs, you'd be competing against Zizzy/Ponybooru. Without DNPs, you'd be competing against Rainbooru. Both have a clear niche - a lack of DNPs is useful for archiving but can also scare away artists. So one booru that's artist-friendly and one that is archiving everything are useful.
My personal opinion would be that it would be better to compete with Zizzy, since he's a faggot. Rainbooru is pretty promising. On the other hand Rainbooru isn't built on a proven platform, so its continued existence depends on the competence of Raindev.
>>274655 A good booru should archive absolutely everything, even patreon-only art and unauthorized edits. Why? For the sake of completionism. However banning them means less images stored at once, and it will please those who believe in paywalling and "I have a private art folder I only allow my bestest friends to see, pay me and simp for me long enough and you might get to see it" bullshit. What are butthurt artists going to do, sue you for uploading their art of Twilight Sparkle's asshole without their permission?
>>274669 I'm gonna have to agree with banning the patreon-only art here. Cause not doing so just sounds like a good way to get artists and their simp's to militarize against you when it does get posted. Edits though? Unless an artist specifically asks for edits to be disallowed (in the case that someone is trying to be a real dickwad to them with edits), allow them all.
>>274647 >>274648 I can confirm that is whole site is owned by Atlas and Lotus, who came up with the idea a while back, it has just been slow to implement because the code is not simple to learn overnight. All pictures once allowed on derpibooru are allowed here, including all politics, however, the site rules mention that it is all to be My Little Pony related. No furry exclusive images. The rules are simple by design to allow the maximum freedom, moderation will be to keep things pony related. As far as content in it, we just opened it up. We are working to upload, but we need more hooves on deck. >>274645 Staff are rules are in your favor here as opposed to Ponybooru, which has expressly allowed furry content on their site. >>274649 I'm sorry for the error. We are working on the site, so if you experience anything else, please let us know so we can troubleshoot. >>274638 All changes, as few as they will be, will be announce here and on the allowed forums there. There will be no unexpected changes without input save some planned aesthetic options such as theme changes we are planning on releasing. We will be planning additional features, though it is unclear what can be added until we learn the code as time goes on. >>274655 Right now we don't have plans for DNPs, though the structure is there, built into the base code. We will have to discuss this thoroughly as it might cause artist to try to take down Aryanne images as they join the censorship bandwagon. We want to attract artists, but we don't want to sacrifice freedom to do it. So we will be brainstorming possible ways to entice artist engagement.
>>274669 It's a balance between not scaring off artists, and archiving everything. Like I said Rainbooru for example goes squarely in the "archive EVERYTHING" pony direction, and I fully expect tons of artists to boycott it and be angry at it, and many more to just silently not support it.
I suppose banning paid-only art but allowing all edits could be a compromise, somewhere in between Ponybooru and Rainbooru. Interesting. Gonna bring up a suggestion that was mentioned for ponybooru: standardising on an "edited from:X" tag, to avoid edits cluttering the "artist:X" tag and make it 100% clear the edit isn't necessarily endorsed or intended by the artist.
>Ponybooru, which has expressly allowed furry content on their site. Ponybooru doesn't allow more furry than Derpibooru does. In fact, if you stick to "everything on Derpibooru is allowed", then you're exactly as furry as Ponybooru. That's not to say this is guaranteed to remain that way forever, Zizzy may or may not be trusted (I am inclined to trust him but that's entirely my opinion), but right now the rules definitely don't allow actual furry artwork that's not related to ponies at all. There's like one furry image that hasn't been deleted because he's "using it as an example of content that is not encouraged on the site", and encouraging people to downvote bomb it. Make of that what you will.
>we want to attract artists, but we don't want to sacrifice freedom to do it >we will be brainstorming possible ways to entice artist engagement Interesting, I look forward to how this develops.
>>274672 To be honest, I'm having trouble believing that this will attract as much attention as the other altboorus. I'm going to observe it for now though. See if it picks up. >Right now we don't have plans for DNPs Should probably get to work on that then, out of respect for artists.
>>274674 >Ponybooru doesn't allow more furry than Derpibooru does. In fact, if you stick to "everything on Derpibooru is allowed", then you're exactly as furry as Ponybooru. Yeah, the whole thing was a mistake in wording of trying to allow deer and cows, since they technically are not pony but many still consider them to be a part of the world.
>>274684 I think it's important. Honestly, I don't think anyone ever looks at the footer of any website, so I don't think "clutter" is an issue (as long as it's not visually cluttered, which it's not because the text is tiny).
>>274685 I'm actually a tourist from /mlp/, it's been brought up there a few times
>>274672 >engagement Look into becoming a Postybirb-supported site. Since Postybirb just copies and pastes descriptions, tags, etc between all the sites, it would make things relatively painless for artists with them only needing to put another checkmark in.
>>274684 I'm going to wait until the site is finished before I mke an account then, just out of habit. The privacy page is nonexistent too. >>274681 they can come to us and we will respond to them Where, exactly? I don't see any tab for that. >>274685 >deliberately appeals to a very niche subculture of the pony fandom That might be an obstacle, tbh. With other alt-boorus existing already, some politically-neutral artists might be hesitant to support a site that's directly affiliated with /mlpol/. Perhaps measures should be taken to calm their concerns.
>>274685 If we begin to advertise the Booru then this site will gain more attention from shills and fags, where do you reckon we start to advertise ponerpics? I vow /mlp/, ponypics, rainbooru and not derpi due to the large amount of niggers and brony's on there.
>>274695 You can't notify an audience without then being susceptible to a larger audience. The main difference is that /ourguy/s are at the wheel. >inb4 ponerpics becomes the leading site for zebra detractor art out of spite
I want to say i am genuinely surprised and impressed over this. I randomly browsed it today and noticed that Lotus was bulk-losing Aryanne art already.
Never thought this possible that this community would ever host its own art archive. This is a great asset to our community as well as a moral boosty and i hope that Ponerpics will prosper to the fullest extent possible.
Years ago i considered creating a board for Aryanne on 8chan just to archive the content. (in retrospect, what a grave mistake that would have been...) but this has vastly surpassed anything i could have ever accomplished. and it brings some other utility with it as well. This will in all likelyhood be the only pony image booru i will use for the foreseeable future. no offense to Rainbooru admin but I stick what I am close with.
Thank You Atlas, Pupper and Lotus. On behalf of every Artist who made Art for this community over for 7 years and even now. Im moved.
>>274723 >>274724 That's missing the point though. It falls on the users to determine what is acceptable or not by way of the voting system in place, not by exclusion. Derpi started this mess because they allowed/caused the site to take a biased stance to content, and you're trying to get ponrrpics to do it on the first day???
>>274725 >>274726 oh no no no. what I meant was the CONTENT (any pic or comment) should be allowed under free speech. I saying ponerpics should stop sjw subversion by not letting sjws mod or have any power over the site, such as being able to change the site rules to implement censorship like they did in derpi.
>>274727 probably by looking their politics and behavior. Sjws can't help but virtue signal at least regularly. you could also talk to them before hand to get a feel for what kind of personality you are letting in. vetting mods just needs to be taken seriously and not some faceless application.
If they have somehow made it in you can then judge for their behavior like: dishonesty, selective justice, abuse of power, refusing transparency. most of it is normal rule braking, but again sjws are pretty easy to identify, but hard to let them go.
https://invidio.us/watch?v=lrhshJgHTec I am really just repeating everything Vox Day wrote about how sjws infiltrate and then subvert otherwise healthy institutions and organizations. in his book corporate cancer and a little bit of sjws: always lie and sjws: always double down. I highly recommend you guys at least glance at the basic ideas of them.
>>274728 Step one he must disavow communism Step two he must find a communist somewhere and piss it off Step three he must learn about the UK's "Asian Grooming Gangs" aka Child-Molesting Pakistani Muslim Rape Gangs That Also Buy Sell And Traffic Children and admit rape is bad even when Muslims do it en masse with the aid of Liberals playing damage-control for it and Globalists funding it.
Hey everyone, Atlas here. I know it's been a while since I last chatted with you but I'm glad to see you seem to like the new site. I've been reading through your posts and I have a few things I want to clear up. First, the point of ponerpics is to make people feel like they can post their poner pics. and that's it. we, despite having an ideology of our own, will not enforce it on the populous. just as anyone is welcome to post on mlpol with a good argument, anyone is welcome to post on ponerpics if they are not posting illegal stuff. no one will be banned for political affiliation, no one will be doxxed. that being said Moderation is a serious concern for us, mlpol was founded on the idea of self moderation, meaning that it was easy to find and hire good ponis for modding, for ponerpics we will have to be more selective, the process will be arduous. even if hired onto staff you will have little power and must prove yourself over time to gain any privledges. as with mlpol any staff member, including myself, found to be operating in a way which is for the good of the site, including enforcing his own political beliefs, or being influenced by outside sources, will be removed at once.
to be clear; ponerpics is a safe haven for free speech, and we will enforce that til death. If it isn't a crime, if it is MLP, it can be posted. It will not be a safe space for anyone. come and post if you want, but don't demand the staff take anything down cause it offends you. Communists can post, Nazis can post, etc. This is about free speech, not ideological enforcement. AND NO ONE WILL EVER TAKE OVER STAFF TO ENFORCE THEIR OWN IDEOLOGY.
>>274737 Hooray! An Atlas post! You're not dead, and ponerpics is a place for all pony images to congregate. The truth always drills through lies no matter how long it takes. A true maximum free speech place. With a bedrock of pony.
>>274737 based atlas. lifting the world upwards once again. there was an epic pic made near the birth of mlpol, of atlas with a derpy over the face holding up mlpol. I want to post it due to how epic atlas is being right now, but I can't find it
912 uploads, and increasing from Lotus alone. 71 uploads from Megalith (site moderator) 15 uploads from fallenPineapple 1 upload from Pupper Finally 1 upload from Atlas 1178 total uploads from everyone. I don't know the roles everyone has played, but you all are incredibly valuable and beloved.
correct me if im wrong; but i assume the current upload process is at least half automated. in any case; in thiscearly stage i suggest uploading content that is threatened to be removed from competing sites. i have seen discord leaks from the db server from a potential future site owner; where he said hes willing "to ban content to piss off 4chan". i think thats obvious but they are not even trying to hide it anymore. things like mlpol and anonfilly art could be next on the chopping block. now we can do something about it.
>>274762 It is not automated. Every image on ponerpics must be uploaded individually and manually, although the script included in the OP makes the process just about as simple as copypasting a link and clicking "upload." Just uploading the remaining 2000 images tagged "Aryanne" will take me at least 10 hours.
If it were working, you could have a script grab all images on a derpi tag and then upload them all using that API call after grabbing image tags and description from derpi. You could even avoid reposting shit by using the sha512_hash field of the image response to search for the image on ponerpics first.
Are you having to manually edit some of the tags before posting?
>>274784 For instance, adding tags for backgrounds on images, adding artists on images that are tagged as "unknown artist" but I happen to know who the artist was, adding "lesbianism" and other tags on sexually explicit images, and so forth.
>>274786 I see. If you have to edit the tags on a lot of images, it makes automation hard. What if you were to auto-import a bunch images and then get a list of them to go inspect for tag updates afterwards?
>>274790 Just importing the images is difficult (as simple as copypasting the link and clicking upload, but for a thousand images, even that minimal effort is difficult). We do not have functioning masse importers as of yet.
>>274792 That's what the image posting API is for. Assuming the image posting API was working, if you had a script that could scrape and upload an entire derpi tag, then list the ponerpic images that were uploaded so you could scrutinize tags, would that be better than the current process?
>>274796 I'm not sure how to get the image posting API working. I haven't used Philomena at all. Right now, I'm just getting a 500 error code, but I haven't tried this before, so there could be something wrong with my request.
>>274628 I really appreciate the effort you guys have put into this site, it's honestly amazing! One minor thing, though, I noticed the topbar on a mobile browser turns blue like it does for Derpi when viewing Ponerpics. Is there a way for you guys to change that?
>>274812 No matter how "cucked" it might be, I'm ultimately in favor of Ponerpics having a Rule 3 like /mlpol/ does. Ponies allowed, no exceptions. The old way of "if you don't like it, use the filters" combined with the ability to hide individual images is the best way to handle this, just like how most everyone on the anti-censorship, pro-freedom side wants.
>>274812 O'Sullivan's law applies when the leadership is indecisive. Here, the leadership is vehemently pro-free expression, which, incidentally, is somehow a right-wing principle nowadays. That's not changing.
Is 4/pol/ cucked because leftists aren't banned? I mean, you could argue that it's cucked by shills and astroturfers, but that's besides the point. Not censoring points of view does not imply that you're politically neutral and open to subversion.
>>274842 >>274843 I was thinking more in terms of moderation, goals, why it wouldn't die off, etc. Ponybooru died off. I'd really like another alternative to derpi to be popular but derpi is so big and I don't think being able to post nazi horses will be enough of a draw to support a competitor. Especially when its between you guys, rainbooru, and derpi. It's doubly unfortunate cause the moderation here is excellent and derpi but with this style moderation would be fantastic.
>>274844 Ponys are allowed, no exceptions. there will be no needless culling of something because we disagree with it or anything like that. Be a commie, be a nazi, just be a fucking pony first and don't break the law. it's also backed up by the same people who made mlpol, so it's going to be around for a long, long time.
>>274846 again I'm aware of that. Hence why I said derpi but with the excellent moderation style of mlpol. I'm just saying if nobody uses it it won't matter. I guess if it isn't going anywhere it will at least always be a reliable image dump
>>274651 Cry moar Niggel. >>274672 As far as errors go I've noticed that remote link fetching is entirely broken for both reverse search and uploading, which is a bit annoying but I'm guessing it's a similar thing to why it hasn't been re-implemented here either.
>>274909 Is there an existing archive of metadata that can be used to restore Commie-DNP content or should we be running around trying to get copies of it right now? I ask because the value of the DNP'd art right now is in the tags, rather than the images themselves (which are archived in multiple locations to my knowledge).
An unrelated site policy suggestion: in response to a DNP or copyright takedown, I suggest that the page, comments, and tags be left up, and only the image and thumbnails being replaced with a generic "image removed due to artist's request" image and thumbnail. This will comply with existing legal requirements, as the artist has no legal right to demand a takedown of the associated tags or comments, without disrupting the archival quality of tags and comments, and keeping more data around that you don't legally have to throw away can only be a good thing.
>>274923 No. Content is simply being uploaded faster than thumbnails can be generated, which is just what happens when you try to upload 1600 images an hour. Type in a tag, and you will see that the vast majority of content on the site has already generated thumbnails. The images in the first few pages are the most recently uploaded, and they will generate thumbnails soon.
>>274924 Somewhere, likely. However, if it is on derpibooru it can be mass uploaded now.
>>274925 This is not a bad idea, if images must be taken down for DNP. However, as I have access to legal researching tools, I think I will want to formulate my own opinion on the requirements of the DMCA before adopting a firm policy.
>>274924 Derpi's database dumps, pre-takedown, definitely contain all that. I grabbed a 28 June dump, which was before most of the anti-nazi takedowns came in. I am also certain there are tons of people who have older dumps, and/or might have even been scraping the website. Plus I don't know what's left in the database after takedown - the tags could still be there even then. Might be worth checking.
wow mlpol very impressive work, both this new gift of a fandom image site, as well as this entire board you've got running here had no idea you guys were skill chugging along long live ponies long live the milkmare of trottingham
>>274924 If you want to work on importing before they're gone from Derpi, I've attached a list of URLs to art by DNPd artists. As far I can tell the majority is still up at the moment due to the backlog of DNPs. This list was generated from a list of artists someone posted in the /mlp/ Derpi alternative thread. There are around 32k URLs inside.
>>274929 Derpibooru puts tags like "OP is a duck" and "drama bait" on art the leftists don't like. They don't enforce their rules against tag vandalization (calling someone a fag in the tags) against lefties so there are probably some spicy memes with those tags.
>>274968 >>274968 so basically this was fixed by derpibooru's latest code update, however we pulled code from before this. so as a result we're now trying to merge our changes with theirs, it'll take a few days but it's definitely doable. sorry for the inconvenience
Atlas; with all due respects, you might want to hold off on implementing this update until its clear this does not include sabotage to give faggots like byte a hidden backdoor key or includes general intentional performance decreases. Especially if this was uploaded after the lügenpresse articles. Remember who you are dealing with here. These kikes try to keep a quasi-monopoly together.
I've been reading the dumpsterfire thread that is Raptorshy posting on 4chan. Its like what the fuck. Are people really this bent out of shape about a fucking nazi pony? You'd think these people are literally trying to prevent the holocaust themselves the way they act. Atlas and you mods are the heroes we don't deserve. I was wrong to ever be skeptical about the severity of the situation.
>>275123 I might have to check the tags. The list of URLs i'm currently going through is the list of DNP artists someone posted a while back. I don't think login is the issue, the script uses the API key.
>>275127 Checking a couple images and it seems somebody else has beat me to it. Maybe they started on the list I posted. In any case it would seem things are working as intended. Guess I'll have to check the artist numbers at the end to see how well it went.
ponerpics has 32k pics right now, rainbooru has at most 24k pics the most recent post has that number and they definatly deleted a fair portion of all their pic . In only three days ponerpics is already much larger than it's natural competitor.
Three fucking days and we have more than out done a website that has existed for over 2 years.
I like the idea of creating a replacement for derpibooru or, at very least, a capable competitor. I could provide ~19k images, saved moslty from derpibooru, if you guys need more content. Just not sure how tagging works for mass uploads and how ponerpics handles duplicates (in case something that i have is already uploaded).
>>275198 We are looking into a means of uploading that bypasses thumbnail generation.
>>275301 Ponerpics has two methods for handling duplicates: a reverse search feature to check for a duplicate before you upload, and an automatic rejection of duplicate images after you've checked upload. We think that we've found a way to get a sufficient image inventory, but it's entirely possible that you have many images that were never on Derpibooru or otherwise missing.
>>275334 Both the email and the password must be exactly the same. When you get back to your original device, change the password and verify that what you think you typed in as your email is actually what you think it is.
PonerPics will be making some modifications to our servers and databases. PonerPics will go offline briefly today, and will be moved to a server with lower speed for what we estimate to be three or four days, after which we will move back to the operating server.
We ask that those doing mass, automated uploads of art from Derpibooru to PonerPics to stop now. It is no longer necessary, and may create problems when the databases are merged at the end of this period.
We are on the same server as before. You can upload to your heart's content. We are attempting to bypass the uploading process altogether by downloading the Derpibooru database, and if that succeeds then new uploads may be duplicates or erased altogether. Please keep uploading pictures that are not on Derpibooru, and mark them with special tags like "not on Derpibooru" so we can transfer them if we succeed.
i dont know if anyone is doing bulk loads; but i want to make a recommendation archiving the pictures of bronyworks. he creates real world military adaptions of mlp vectors. recently he created a lot of german soldier ponies and i fear he will soon get backlash for that.
>>275508 Good to hear that you're running the archive download yourselves; with any luck, most of the DNP content will be perma-archived. I would suggest that after you finish the first bulk download, you grab a few more bulk downloads from multiple different IP addresses, with different useragents and access patterns each time, and then diff the databases to find anything that might not belong. Just a precaution in case bytearray or his friends have modified what they're sending you in particular. As a suggestion, when everything calms down and you can stop worrying about the site coming down around your ears, maybe make a torrent of the images and the metadata available in case the site gets in legal trouble or is otherwise shut down? It doesn't have to be a high bandwidth upload, just something that can slowly trickle out until a few archivers have a copy. Finally, have you guys put any thought into putting the site on tor behind an onion link? From what I've seen, you can basically just put a tor gateway in a container or jail of your choice and then simply point it at whatever nginx load balancer you have going. It would be yet another feature that derpibooru lacks, and I think it would be rather useful to a lot of anons. Thanks again for all the hard work!
>honour DNPs that aren't virtue signalled This will lead to poor enforcement and drama. Some cases are definitely clear-cut, but there will always be edge cases that will leave everyone angry. What if Dilarus submits a DNP despite never tweeting about ponerpics? He made a big stink about DNPing Ponybooru, and of course he's been virtue signalling nonstop about the Derpi situation; will that count or not? Now what if an artist is reasonable but uses Twitter as their main platform and, when they decide to DNP, just post a PSA to all their followers to inform them. Will you be able to judge that it's not "virtue signalling"? >honouring DNPs based on content That seems like a great way to scare people off drawing Aryanne. If someone is fine with not DNPing the policy won't be useful. If someone thinks they might like to DNP, then they're basically gonna either stew in indignation, or avoid drawing Aryanne outright, to avoid the risk of a potential DNP not being fully honoured. And people who have hardline ideological stances might get angry, even if they never intended to DNP.
So the choice seems to me to really be between accomodating artists, and being an archive. My personal advice would be to go a similar route to Ponybooru: honour DNPs, attract artists. But keep up the metadata of images taken down, and if possible let people make posts for DNPed artists that simply link back to the original source. (And ideally you could store the art on your servers for backup and archival, "just in case", but without displaying it on the website.)
I'm saying this because Ponybooru has flip-flopped a few times. They seem to be on the right track now, but Zizzy is Zizzy and who knows whether he'll just fuck up again one day. An alternative would be good. Meanwhile, we've got Rainbooru for archiving, and additionally Twifag has said that Twibooru will go up soon and will ALSO be focused on archiving. And mind you, neither Rainbooru nor Twibooru will honour DMCA notices, so if you want to be another archival-focused booru, "DMCA takedown only" already makes you strictly inferior to them, so you'd need to start by moving hosting to a copyright-lax country. I think it's best to have two of each, than three archive boorus and only one that caters to artists.
>>275704 A distinction could be drawn around the type of content and where it lies in the censorship crosshairs. An artist requesting a takedown of an Aryanne pic for example would get a haha archive go wrrrrrrr. Much of Anonfilly content falls in that category as well.
in case no one knows, both pillowfort and ponybooru are run by a former derpibooru executive formerly known as ZippySquirrel. A homosexual who performs autofelatio and used to sell pictures of his own junk on tumblr.
>>275810 Zippy is kinda based but yes he's a raging fag and (former?) furry. Not to be hated, but not to be trusted either. He's friends with Zizzy (because of course they would be) but doesn't "run" ponybooru. He's just one of several derpifags that zizzy's poached. What's his involvement in pillowfort now? I thought it was some kinda corporate cashgrab type of website, didn't expect a horsefucker faggot to be in there.
>>275832 I don't recall a socialist ever saying that to me, it's usually a conservacuck/liberal using horseshoe theory. Marxists tend to separate themselves from national socialism as much as possible. Zippy is being ridiculous though.
>>275704 As you can tell from this beefy-as-fuck wall of words, I've put some thought into this. It's big enough I'm going to have to split it in two. Hopefully there's some useful nuggets in here for the staff.
I say have a conditional DNP/DMCA system. DNP for the art if it doesn't exist anywhere else other than a paywalled and/or self-hosted website of the artist to "respect artist rights" but require a DMCA for the art if it does exist literally anywhere else e.g. twitter, tumblr, derpi, furbooru, e621, pixiv, etc. Content that's up on sites that ignore takedowns e.g yiffparty probably shouldn't force people to use DMCA due to both ethics and optics, but that's your call.
For the details, require a moderate difficulty DNP e.g. require them to create an artist link code and put it on a public post from an artist account (and if you want to be smart about it, don't allow twitter accounts as valid artist accounts otherwise they'll virtue signal and rt the hell out of it). Of course, if the artist starts posting art again anywhere else to where the DNP wouldn't have been accepted, the DNP is considered reverted and any user will automatically be allowed to upload the content again, and the DNP will have to be re-established with the requirements of all other sources being removed again. If the artist requests a DNP with their content on non-pirate sites and says "that's not me, I don't control that tumblr/pixiv/derpi/messenger pigeon so it doesn't count" then too bad, if they care so much about not having their art up anywhere and they want the non-legally-required convenience of a DNP then they can either file a DMCA takedown for those sites first and then get the conditional DNP or they can file a DMCA here. If the code monkeys can swing it, a useful technical tool would be one or more of the following: *Either allow registered users to go to an artist's DNP page and mark it as invalid by providing an archive link to a significant portion of offsite artist uploaded content which demonstrates the DNP is not being followed on all sites, which would (either automatically or upon moderator approval to prevent bad actors from creating drama depending on admin preference) mark the DNP as "DNP invalidated by artist" and link to the archive page(s) that invalidated it. You'd also probably have to list the date the DNP was created so older archives that have since been removed don't invalidate it. *Alternatively, you could require a forum discussion in e.g. a pinned thread to have a mod manually alter the DNP on an artist page, and instead allow users to upload individual pieces of content from an artist that's marked as DNP by filling in an added upload field for the link(s) to the archive of the offsite image that invalides the DNP for that specific image. If desired, throw the "individual DNP invalidations" into a modqueue to prevent people from providing garbage archive links and allowing a bad actor to create a scandal on twitter. Until such a system is put in place, you'd probably have to set up a pinned thread for people to post invalidations either per artist or per image. That should cover the majority of attempts of creating extra workload and devaluing the site by removing images for the sake of clout with twittermites.
This conditional DNP/DMCA system means that if the artist legitimately wants to have their art removed from the internet, or doesn't want their paid content leaked, then they can and people will have to go to a different site to get it. Those sites already exist so we don't need to take on those really bad optics right now, especially while trying to get established. On the other hand if the artist is just trying to clout around and is happy to have their art on other sites then they obviously don't have a problem with their art being on other sites, they just have a problem with this specific site; sucks for them because a DNP is a courtesy to those operating with good-faith, not a legal obligation we have to follow, so comrade checkmark will have to file a DMCA. This should discourage most artists from pulling their art for authoritarian good boy points. The price the site will pay (losing images from a few artists who actually go through with a DMCA due to the site "not respecting DNP", and a potential one or two who do it out of principle and wouldn't otherwise) will be far less than what we'd lose if we have a lax DNP policy, and the loss of art can be mitigated somewhat by third parties; the art will still exist in several other sites that already have the reputation for piracy. In exchange, the site (whose aim should be free speech and anti-censorship, not to pirate shit, two different things) doesn't gain a reputation for being a "criminal hub" like yiffparty is and anyone trying to discredit it as "not respecting artist rights" will have a hard time explaining why the artists in question haven't pulled the art from everywhere if they really don't want it being shared. Finally, assuming people are vigilant about regularly pulling art from other sites, we don't have to worry about a few artists getting pissed that their art is on "the same site as the mean poner nahzis" and not uploading it themselves; since the new art people are importing from exists and is public there can't be a DNP on it, so their art is only removed in response to a legitimate DMCA request and still going to get pulled into the site as long as even a singe autist actually cares about it enough to run a userscript or point a downloader at a tag it has.
Regardless of the DNP or DMCA system, the site should leave the page, the metadata, and the comments up when something is taken down for either DNP or DMCA. Although the artist retains the copyright (to whatever extend MLP porn can be) the artist has no authority to demand that you remove discussion of the content and that's very strongly established. Furthermore, while the tags could, if you squint at them very hard, be considered derivative content, it's would be very hard to argue it's not transformative if someone does drag y'all into court about it. A few relevant arguments are that a hash of a file cannot infringe copyright and similarly to a hash the tags only allow you to search for types of content (of which the image in question no longer even exists at the site), that multiple images can have the same tags and therefore the tags do not uniquely map to an image, that the tags are modified by users and therefore a transformative work, that the tags are mere facts about an image exactly like how a list of the themes and characters in a Harry Potter book would be, etc. In general the legal consensus in the USA is that metadata cannot be copyrighted because it's information, not a creative work. Finally, I doubt a court would be willing to set a precedent that categorization of images could be considered a derivative work, since that would have widespread consequences and if they do there's plenty of orgs such as the EFF who although they would hate your guts for some of the content on the site, would be 100% eager throw their legal weight behind you to prevent a precedent like that being set. tldr artists can't enforcably demand jack past "stop showing the image" so you shouldn't comply with anything else
Tip to the admins: I would go about getting a contact point for the DMCA requests you're likely to get in the upcoming week or two. From what I understood when I ran a website with user-supplied content, you have to have some form of DMCA contact point if you want to avoid potentially getting sued if you're operating anywhere someone can hit you for lacking safe harbor; it would be completely in line with the demonstrated tactics and goals from certain actors if one of them used a VPN or something to put their own art up there and then try to sue in order to take down the site or dox the administration team with a lawsuit.
>>275826 >>275832 At the start of the "Furry Fandom" it really was just about liking cartoons with talking animals and anthro animals. The porn takeover happened over time, and it became seen as cringey to be a furry. So people saying "I'm a furry but I don't want to fuck Simba and Nala I just like their movie a lot" became less common. Normal people didn't want to be associated with an increasingly porn-obsessed leftist-injected insular circlejerk of an incestuous non-fandom. Furry is a nonsense word so liking a cartoon about dogs, a cartoon about anthropomorphic dog-men, wanting to fuck the dog-men and dogs, wanting to fuck real animals, wanting to wear the gay fursuits and thinking you are a reincarnated dog or dog on the inside, it's all something that makes you a furry. If the furry fandom agreed that liking air conditioning makes you a furry, and we also agreed so, it would be so. However fuck the person in that pic anyway. According to our modern definition, a furry is someone who wants to bone Sonic the Hedgehog. And we shouldn't give a shit how the furry fandom defines "their" term since it isn't their term any more. They've lost control over their group and how it's seen.
I feel this should be a topic of its own, as an interesting lens on how the "Fandom" tries to interject itself into everything. It remindes me of the LGBTQALPHEBETSOUP fandom. And yes, I did just call that a fandom.
The left, progressives, fuck it we all know there is no distinction of left and communism so that is what the fuck they are. They love fish net words, words so broad that they then call it a "Spectrum" (Which is an internet provider) What I mean by fishnet? Is that they try to increase their own numbers by redefining words so broad that they include everyone. This is no different that of communism and "EVERY ONE IS EQUAL" motif they spew around. And no matter what, because they ARE communists, they ARE political. So no matter which fandom they are apart of, somehow they interject themselves into that as well so they can then group the fandoms into one big clump.
Like BLM and LGBT blending together which really are two separate issues being painted in graphitty together, and then them trying and failing to do the same with Furry and MLP.
It is also amusing how they try to lump everything together but at the same time try to divide everyone that they just don't like or wants to be forced to accept their "inclusion", then they try to separate them out and have the "mob" either make them submit or they get rid of them, (like murder, reeducation, doxing, etc.)
I digress. I do find this a topic for another thread.
>>276142 You're right. Rich people can't become poor people without losing or giving up their money. But they can easily claim to be an "Oppwessed Minowity" like gay or bi, mudslime, tranny, nonbinary, etc. A rich black niggeress can get starving poor people on her side with a yell of "I'd be even richer if it wasn't for those fucking white males and their invisible racism!"
>>276487 Better yet, the Racism tag could be divided into who the racism is against. "Racism against whites", "Racism against blacks", "Racism against Ponies", There is no such thing as Racism against Jews because they're not human, "Racism against Zebras" for pics where Zebras aren't used as a metaphor for blacks and specifically mocked for shit only Ziggers do like rhyming and making potions, "Racism against all of humanity" for the misanthropic "ponies am superior humanity am inferior" trash seen in Conversion Bureau, and so on
>>276554 Why would it? Jews refer to a literal human race, while griffins are an allegorical race that is in no way legitimate, and any comparison is oth non-literal and subjective and hopefully not racist you racist.
>>276554 On second thought, maybe this was a dumb idea. I like the idea of specifically searching for anti-black art so I can laugh at racist jokes while filtering out the anti-white shit I'm sick of seeing But censorship-loving bastards would probably attack us over it.
>>277483 Would be nice to import the scores and stuff from Derpi. Would also be nice if votes from Derpi could be separated from votes on ponerpics. By that I mean a way to "turn off" Derpi votes. Not sure on the feasibility of it, but that would seem like a good solution.
>>277493 That's why I suggested having the ability to remove the Derpi votes. While they may be tainted, having votes at all helps to sort through things. Once there's a sizable number of PonerPics votes, could remove or possibly even treat it like a filter where the user can chose to include them or not.
>>277483 >so many people voting to import comments The fuck? Why would you want the retardation that is Derpi's comments? I get that sometimes they're useful and/or interesting, but a huge amount of comments are either useless (like a couple of people saying "nice" or "cute" - which is good feedback for the artist uploading their image, but have no purpose long-term) or just outright garbage, such as cringy quasi-RPers or "I wish that were me" or "omg so sexy" pajeet fantasies. You'd also be importing all of TUA's comments, for example - think about that.
>>277503 The problem is, the decision should be left to the individual user. Your position is agreeable on a personal level, but as a policy it gets trickier. Now whether moving over all the comments presents a labor burden on the site and therefore would be rightly omitted for time and resources, that's a different issue. But ommission 'because people said stupid' shit is a bad policy
>>277504 That's fair. They should definitely be separate, though, in that case, rather than imported directly as normal comments - maybe like an "archived comments" section, where you can read them, but it's under a different tab/hidden by default (potentially user-configurable). Among other things, it would make zero sense to have comments from a different website be displayed as part of the same "discussion" as on-site comments, when there's a very good chance most people who wrote the original comments will probably never ever see this new conversation or reply there.
>>277483 My argument against importing comments/votes is mainly just why? It just feels like completely copying derpibooru for no reason. To an extent, ponerpics has to be its own site, and not just a literal derpi clone with different rules. Sure, it make make sorting images by votes and such harder, but I think it'd be better this way. Plus seriously, who actually reads derpi comments?
>>277645 It does appear that uploads have overtaken thumbnail generation by a considerable margin. The hiding feature that twibooru uses does not work on our website. We will look further into it. At worst, this is a problem that can only persist until we switch to the new server in around two weeks, where all of the images will already be uploaded and have thumbnails. But we will look into solving this problem
>>277812 Yes, we know. At the very least clicking on “trending images” should result in mostly images that are not awaiting thumbnail generation, as will going towards pages much further on the catalog. Hopefully we can make it so that images not yet processed can be hidden. When we switch servers there will be no more delayed thumbnail generation as every image will already have thumbnails.
>>278052 The primary tag is "princess celestia." "Celestia" was not yet listed as an alias. The tag has been aliased, so typing in "celestia" should give you results for princess celestia now
>>278016 The legacy feature should allow you to sort by legacy score, legacy upvotes/downvotes, and legacy score, as well as search by those numbers. (We may change the name in the search bar to "derpi score" to make it more intuitive). We already have it working.
>>278214 No, that's right. A very large number of images were uploaded by a user. The user has since slowed down, but I estimate that the thumbnail generation is around 100k images behind, and will catch up in perhaps ~4 days or less. We've looked at ways to hide images that have not generated thumbnails, but have not yet succeeded.
For what it's worth, our second server is up to 740,000 thumbnails generated, with around 11 days until the full 2.1 million + are generated, and the legacy favorites/votes system works.
>>278452 If the site host fanfics, this feature could not be implemented before the server switch happens in ~9 days. It would take longer, and would likely look something like Furaffinity’s story hosting feature.
In the meantime, /mlpol/ has the ability to upload up to 5 documents or text files in a single post, and it may be advisable to start a thread on fan fiction preservation