WEBVTT Kind: captions Language: en com through okay hi everyone well welcome to Mika oh thank you hi hello again M how are you good to see you very well thank you very well hi everyone Hi what a crew what a crew okay big day please please yes we got some beautiful artwork here I would love you haven't been here for the Christmas except the right I have to I've you know I've um so little known maybe part of my background is i i attended a fine art school for a period of time and um and even just growing up we would go to the California Academy of Arts on weekends anyway I love art and um so when I came in as vice president I partnered with fape which is a nonprofit that helps Supply art around the the world for embassies and I sat down with the curator and gave them an idea and including with the Baltimore Museum gave them an idea of what I'd like and so you know normally in this house it's a lot of art which is like scenes of pastures with sheep instead I brought like Carrie May weams are you familiar with her and then do you know Fred Wilson I don't know Fred Wilson okay so that chandelier that chandelier I begged him he does big installations and I've had many a a world leader in this dining room and they'll walk by it and they'll say oh is that Phoenician and I tell them accurately no it's Harlem so Fred Wilson who is a black man who lives in New York did that piece it's all onone then that's Ed Clark you know who Ed Clark is that's Ed Clark I've got some Sam Gillum and he you know I'm so sorry that he knew it was here he was he was alive when I first came in but it was the height of Co and then he passed but his family has come to see it but he was so happy that his art was in this house so anyway it's all on rotation like that one I'll show you is a young black woman from North Carolina um she is so Carmen Neely is her name that's stun yes she's really and so you know all the people like you who come in the house who are such um you know opinion leaders to be able to Showcase all of this for people to see and then you know these world leaders they'll say that's American art yes it is how about that yes it is you know anyway okay yes yeah do whatever you want you know I have no Pride about this everybody and then you know that um mold is at an all-time high today which is the one thing I am allergic to yeah okay pollen is down mold is up mold is up you know I know that as a matter of fact because I was watching CBS This Morning there you go now that I think about it learn indeed around yeah got it on both to clear the backgr good happy good I'm good all right well Madame vice president um one thank you for doing this thank you for inviting us into your home of course um we're going to be running this on the anniversary of the Hamas attack on yeah on Israel Israel okay whoever's in the dining room okay so yeah just to start with Israel the events of the past few weeks have pushed us to the brink if if not into an allout Regional war in the Middle East what can the US do at this point to stop this from spinning out of control well let's start with October 7 um because obviously what we do now must be in the context of what has happened and as I reflect on a year ago and that 1,200 people were massacred young people at a festival at a music festival 250 hostages were taken including Americans women were brutally raped and as I said then I maintain Israel has a right to defend itself we would and how it does so matters and as we fast forward into what we have seen in the onsu weeks and months far too many innocent Palestinians have been killed and we know that and I think most agree this war has to end and that has to be our number one imperative and that has been our number one imperative how can we get this war to end well critical elements of that are we have got to get a hostage deal and a ceasefire deal done we have to we have to get Aid in we have to lay the the path toward a two-state solution um I do believe that we must maintain that as an objective no matter how Out Of Reach it seems at the moment and the work that we have to do is also pay attention to what is happening every day in the region and put us resources into everything we can do diplomatically and otherwise to deescalate what is happening in the region we Supply Israel with billions of dollars in military aid and yet prime minister met Netanyahu seems to be charting his own course the Biden Administration the Biden Harris Administration has pressed him to agree to cease fire he's resisted you urged him not to go into Lebanon he went in anyway he has promised to make Iran pay for the missile attack and that has the potential of expanding the war does the us have no sway over prime minister Netanyahu well let's start with this um on this subject the aid that we have given Israel allowed Israel to defend itself against 200 ballistic missiles that were just meant to attack the Israelis and the people of Israel and I think that is the most recent example example of why what we do to assist in their defense around military aid is important and when we think about the threat that Hamas Hezbollah presents um Iran um I think that it is without any question our imperative to do what we can to allow Israel to defend itself against those kinds of attacks now the work that we do diplomatically with the leadership of Israel is an ongoing Pursuit around making clear our principles which include the need for humanitarian Aid the need for this war to end the need for a deal to be done which would release the hostages and and and create a ceasefire and we're not going to stop in terms of putting that pressure on Israel and and in the region including with other um leaders in the region including Arab leaders but it seems that prime minister Netanyahu is not listening um The Wall Street Journal said that he um that your Administration has repeatedly been blindsided by Netanyahu and in fact he has rebuffed just about all of your administration's in treaties well Bill the work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by or a result of U many things including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region and we're not going to stop doing that we are not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end Just One Last do you do we have a um a a real close Ally in prime minister Netanyahu I think with all due respect the better question is do we have an important alliance between the American people and the Israeli people and the answer to that question is yes and we are going to do what is important to support whatever leadership is in Israel that is defending the right let's let's shift gears here um most basic of questions why do you want to be States there are many reasons but probably um first and foremost I truly believe in the promise of America I do and I love the American people you know we are people who who have ambition and aspirations and dreams and optimism and hope if you look at the character of who we are and how we have achieved the strength that we have achieved I believe in large part it is because of our character and our belief in the promise of America and I'm running for president because I want to do everything that is possible to create an opportunity for people to achieve those goals those Ambitions and those dreams and that is why you will hear me talk about my plan for an opportunity economy to invest in what we can do not only to bring the cost of living and prices down for folks because even though we've achieved a lot of success prices are still too high you know what I know it but what we can do to invest in The Innovation that is happening in in startups and our small businesses what we can do to invest in the industries of the future what we can do to maintain America's strength in the global context but that that's that's why you want to run that's why you want to be that's why I'm president that that that and and and some other reasons but you're you're asking the American people to make you the most powerful person on the planet why why do you deserve the American people's votes well first of all I have a career and a history of being very clear that I think of my role of leadership and in particular now for the last four years as vice president and moving forward as president if the voters will have me as being a leader on behalf of all Americans as you know I spent the majority of my career as a prosecutor and I'm going to tell you I never a victim of crime a witness whether they were a Democrat are you Republican are you an independent the only thing I ever asked folks is are you okay and I believe that America deserves a leader who works on behalf of all Americans and understands the importance of of knowing that the vast majority of us have so much more in common than what separates us and my career and my work has has always been about being grounded in common sense approaches to getting things done and when it comes to what we need to do as it relates to National Security we just had that conversation that includes understanding and respecting the power and the strength of the United States of America and are then responsibility to be a global leader to nurture and strengthen our alliances around the world to respect the US Military and its most noble mission to do the work of appreciating alliances be it NATO or others to do the work of of pursuing diplomacy when it is in the best interest of our national security and prosperity and my experien has telling me not only that those must be priorities of the United States of America and the president of the United States of America and the commanderin-chief of the United States of America but also all of those experiences tell me that the American people in this election have a clear choice because on the other side of the equation we are looking at the former president Donald Trump who has shown himself to be when he was a commander and chief Chief someone who gave away America's standing in terms of our principles of standing up to dictators and autocrats you see how he compliments Putin even today someone who was prepared to walk away from our alliances NATO is the strongest military Alliance the world has ever known we have seen someone in Donald Trump who openly criticizes the United States military men and women who are prepared to at Great sacrifice serve our country and defend the principles upon which we were founded he calls them suckers and losers but but Madam vice president um a quarter of registered voters still say they don't know you they don't know what makes you tick and and why do you think that is I mean you have been vice president for almost four years you've been on the national scene for longer what's the disconnect it's an election bill and I take um it seriously that I have to earn everyone's vote and that's why I'm traveling our country um I've seen you in a few states in the last couple of days uh I'm I am talking with folks where they live I am listening to folks and working to earn the vote of very every American this is an election for President of the United States no one should be able to take for granted that they can just declare themselves a candidate and automatically receive support you have to earn it and that's what I intend to do let me tell you what your critics and the colonist say okay they say the reason so many voters don't know you is that you have changed your position on so many things you were against fracking now you're for it you supported looser immigration policies now you're tightening them up you were for Medicare for all now you're not so many that people don't truly know what you believe or what you stand for and I know you've heard that so let's be clear first of all a lot of the positions that you were talking about have been discussed and and dispensed with in 2020 four years ago um but but let me be clear on something in the last four years I have been vice president of United States not a senator from a particular State not coming from a particular state but Vice President of the United States of America and I have been traveling our country and I have been listening to folks and seeking what is possible in terms of Common Ground Common Sense Solutions building consensus and that is why I have taken the positions that I take not not dispensing with my values but understanding we have to a real leader has to find consensus so for example on the issue of fracking I've been very clear since 2020 I will not end fracking I did not as vice president in fact as Vice President of the United States I cast the decisive vote I broke the tie in Congress that now allows more leases for fracking on the issue of Health Care in America my value has always been that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it which is why I cast the tiebreaking vote in the United States Congress that has now allowed us to cap the cost of insulin for seniors at $35 a month the work that I have been a part of and helped lead about capping the cost of prescription medication for our seniors at $2,000 a year all born out of my belief that we need to bring the price of medication down because it has been too expensive for too many people to the point that they couldn't even afford to fill their prescription that's why I've been a huge advocate for what we have accomplished finally to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of the American people you have said that your values haven't changed but your your positions have and I think people want to know is this Evolution or as your critic say opportunism I think that we should um understand the importance of a leader building consensus I believe in building consensus and I believe in finding a way that the American people and we are a diverse people geographically regionally based on whether it be Urban rural agricultural we are a diverse people in terms of where we are and our backgrounds and what the American people do want is that we have leaders who can build consensus where we can figure out compromise and understand it's not a bad thing as long as you don't compromise your values to find Common Sense Solutions and that has been my approach let's move on to the economy as you were saying well first of all the economy and inflation those are the primary concerns of the American voters this election year you just got some Blockbuster jobs report a blockbuster job report the other day and there are lots of signs that the American economy is doing very well better than most countries I think but the American Amer people don't seem to be feeling it groceries are 25% higher than when you took office and people are blaming you and Joe Biden for that are they wrong so you are correct that under our leadership the United States of America has recovered and is stronger than any other so-called developed nation in the world in particular after the crisis that was the pandemic and understand we came into office facing a disaster in large part because of the mismanagement of the former president Donald Trump where the economy was in a slump people were dying by the hundreds it was a real crisis but because of our approach and our work we now have historic low unemployment in America among all groups of people we now have an economy that is thriving by all macroeconomic measures we have recovered in a way that we have created almost 800,000 new manufacturing jobs we have created over 16 million new jobs as a whole and to your point prices are still too high and I know that and we need to deal with it which is why part of my plan you mentioned groceries part of my plan is what we must do to bring down the price of groceries I'm taking on an issue I've taken on before as attorney general the issue of price gouging which is not all but some corporations and businesses that take advantage of a crisis and Jack prices up making the cost of groceries and other everyday essentials too expensive for the American people I'm taking on the issue of housing it's a big issue in our country it's too expensive there was there were Generations before us that believed they could achieve the American dream which included home ownership now I I travel our country I talk to young people every day and they are so concerned they'll never be able to afford to buy a home or even start a family because of the cost of housing so part of my plan is to put the resources into partnering with Builders and developers to create incentives for them to build 3 million new homes by the end of my first term and my plan includes giving firsttime home buyers a $25,000 down payment assistance so they can just get their foot in the door well let's talk about that you want to expand uh the child tax credit yes I do you want to give tax breaks to firsttime home buyers yes uh and people starting small businesses right but it is estimated by the nonpartisan committee for responsible federal budget that your economic plan would add3 trillion dollar to the federal deficit over the next decade how are you going to pay for that okay so the other econ economists that have reviewed my plan versus my opponent because this is an election and there are two choices everyone from Goldman Sachs to Moody to 16 Nobel laurates so on the first point comparing my economic plan to Donald Trump's economic plan they have reviewed it and determined that my economic plan would strengthen America's economy his would weaken it 16 Nobel laurates Moody others have determined after reviewing what Donald Trump is proposing that he would induce inflation increase inflation and bring about a recession by the middle of next year my plan Bill if you don't mind my plan is about saying that when you invest in small businesses you invest in the middle class and you strengthen America's economy small businesses are part of the backbone of America's economy but but pardon me Madam vice president the question was how are you going to pay for it well one of the things is I'm going to make sure that the richest Among Us who can afford it pay their fair share in taxes listen again my opponent when he was President issued a a tax cut for people like himself billionaires and the biggest corporations my perspective is everybody needs to pay their fair share it is not right that teachers and nurses and firefighters are paying a higher tax rate than billionaires and the biggest corporations and I plan on making that fair but we're dealing with the real world here but the real world includes how are you going to get this through Congress you know when you talk quietly with a lot of folks in Congress they know exactly what I'm talking about because their constituents know exactly what I'm talking about they Conti are those firefighters and teachers and nurses their constituents are middle class hardworking folk who know that it is not right that hardworking people are paying a higher tax rate than the richest people who can afford to pay their fair share so that's how we deal with it but understand also that this is yes it is about how we pay for what we're doing but understand it it's it's not it doesn't end there my plan is actually about strengthening America's economy not just netting zero my plan is about doing what we can do for small businesses and startups right now the tax deduction bill for a startup $5,000 in 20124 Nar a person going to be able to start a small business with $5,000 so I'm going to extend it to $50,000 my plan is about what we need to do yes expand the child tax credit because for young families for the first year of their child's life $6,000 allows them to buy a crib a car seat and just be able to to not just get by but get ahead for that most critical stage of their child's development we all benefit from that we all benefit from that I understand but that that sounds great it does it all sounds good but the reality is these these tax cuts have been in place for years they're about to expire yes and Congress has shown no inclination to move in your direction I I disagree with you there are plenty of leaders in Congress who understand and know that the Trump tax cuts blew up our federal deficit and care about the deficit in a way that they know we must address it by making sure that our tax policy reflects fairness and again understand none of us and certainly I cannot afford to be myopic in terms of how I think about strengthening America's economy and that has to include where are we investing our resources in a way that we maximize the return on the investment let me tell you something I am a devout public servant you know that I am also a capitalist and I know the limitations of government part of the work I've always done and the work I will do as president includes engaging the private sector to join in what we can do whether it be again tax incentives or Builders or developers or what we need to do to increase the work I've already done to get some of our biggest Finance houses and corporations to invest in Community Banks to increase access to capital for small businesses all of this work must be done but we have to have a holistic approach that is comprehensive I guess what I was asking if if all of this makes so much sense why has this not been done you are dealing with you're dealing with a a Congress that is divided that many are in opposition to not only you but your policies so how are you going to make this bill come true if I approached my life as though well it's never been done before therefore it cannot be done I wouldn't be sitting here in this interview with you that's the believe that we have to have leadership in our country as we turn the page on all of these sadly powerful forces that have been trying to divide us we have to turn the page on that and chart a new way forward that is driven by building consensus and building Common Ground listen you look at my campaign I am supported by over 200 former members of mitt Romy Romney John McCain both President Bush and even former president Trump's teams I have the support of people who un Republicans who understand what is at stake in this election be it as it relates to our democracy and our most fundamental principles and I do believe based on a a collective understanding we have that America's politics has to get back to the place of encouraging healthy debate but not division for the sake of division just a couple more um economic story uh questions here sure um Donald Trump says that tariffs on Imports uh well that would be the solution to all of our economic woses you criticize his plan for tariffs yet the Biden Harris Administration has left many of the Trump era tariffs in place especially when it regards China and uh President Biden has in fact expanded some of those tariffs would you continue the Trump era tariffs if you're elected so part of the real problem that economists and others have pointed out about Trump's approach in this election he is advocating what is at least a 20% tariff across the board on everyday necessities and goods which economists have estimated will cost the average American family more than almost $4,000 a year more than what they're already paying for every day you've got tariffs Goods but let me get to my point on everyday good is in so a a a across theboard blanket policy on tariffs for everyday goods and Necessities tariff policy we cannot afford to have that is just a blind policy without looking at what we are talking about and what will it induce what will it incentivize on the point about China look America has to win the competition for the 21st century as it relates to China and we need to have policy that includes investing in America investing in America American workers investing in American manufacturing investing in American supply chain and that is I believe smart and important policy not only for the sake of our security but also our prosperity so let's move on to uh immigration you recently visited the southern border and embraced President Biden's recent Crackdown on Asylum Seekers and that Crackdown produced an almost immediate and dramatic decrease in the number of border crossings and you said you would take it even further if that's the right answer now why didn't your Administration take those steps in 2021 so we came into office and almost hours bill after our inauguration the first bill we proposed to Congress was to fix our broken immigration system knowing that if you want to actually fix it we need Congress to act it was not taken up fast forward to a moment when a bipartisan group of members of the United States Senate including one of the most conservative members of the United States Senate got together came up with a border security bill which I support well guess what happened Donald Trump got word that this bill was a foot and could be passed knowing that it could fix part of the problem and he wants to run on a problem instead of fixing a problem so he told his buddies in Congress kill the bill don't let it move forward but but Madame vice president I I've been covering the border for for years and so I know this is not a problem that started with your Administration right but there was an historic flood of undocumented immigrants coming across the border the first three years of your Administration as a matter fact arrivals quadrupled from the last year of President Trump was it a mistake to loosen the immigration policies as much as you did in 2021 so regionally and actually globally we have seen this as an issue and America's obviously not immune from this issue but the focus has to be to to your point you've been covering it for years it's a longstanding problem and solutions are at hand and from day one literally we have been offering Solutions which have not been picked up and then when there was a border security Bill my opponent decided to run on the problem instead of fixing the problem and understand what that bill would have done that border security bill would have put 1,500 more agents at the border which is why the Border control Union supported it it would have put more resources into stemming the flow of fentanyl but that was just this year that was just this past year what I was asking was was it a mistake to kind of allow that flood to happen in the first place I think the policies that we have been proposing are about fixing a problem not promoting a problem okay but the numbers did quadruple today because of what we have done we have cut the flow of illegal immigration by half we have cut the flow of fenol by half but we need Congress to be able to act to actually fix the problem I was just at the border I'm talking with these incredible men and women who are working around the clock because again they don't have the resources they need we need an act of Congress who carries the purse to do it Donald Trump told them don't act I talked with the board of Patrol agents some of the leaders part of the issue that they identified is we need more Asylum judges we need more processing of people who are coming to our border and the resources aren't there you know how those Resources commensurate with the need get dedicated Congress has to act but I I I guess my my question is it's a pretty simple one if this is the right answer now what you tried to do with the bipartisan Bill and what we tried to do on day one bill and what we tried to do on day one when we came in first order of business before before we did the inflation reduction act before we did successfully by the way without one Republican vote before we did the the infrastruct the bipartisan infrastructure bill before we passed the first meaningful piece of legislation to deal with gun violence in America in 30 years the first first thing we did was to offer a comprehensive solution to create a pathway for citizenship and for people to earn it and to deal with what we need to do to put more resources to ensure that we are able to heighten our level of security at the border so I you know we do need to move on because our time is short but I'm trying to understand how it is that with this emphasis on the border the numbers of Crossings quadrupled under the first three years of the Biden Harris Administration what how did that happen there are a variety of factors that relate to what we have seen globally and what we are not immune from at our own Border in terms of what we have seen in terms of surge of immigration and irregular migration and there are solutions at hand but we've got to have leaders who are solution oriented which we've been and are and I am going forward instead of leaders who want to make it a problem they can run on it's talking about that person you're mentioning right now you have accused Donald Trump of using racist tropes when it comes to Haitian uh immigrants in Springfield Ohio when it comes to birtherism when it comes to Charlottesville in fact you have called him a racist and divisive yet Donald Trump has the support of millions and millions of that so let's just break down what you just talked talked about and talk about it in the context of the words that Donald Trump has spoken and the actions he has taken and whether that is reflective of who we are as Americans knowing we have so much more in common than what separates us we have a former president who wants to be president again who has a bouquet of microphones in front of him vile lies about a group of legal immigrants in Springfield Ohio and if I may Bill let me just say something you know from the time I was a prosecutor to attorney general to now Vice President I learned very early in my career when you are when the voters bestow on you the authority to have these positions you must be very thoughtful about how you use that microphone in front of you and you know when I was attorney general the words I spoke could move markets so the idea that the former president who again is running to be president would use that microphone in a way that is about vilifying and demeaning a whole population of people you know what has happened because of that what one day day when this happened was a school day Picture Day for an elementary school picture day you know what picture day is for our children they get excited the night before we put out the clothes they're going to wear they go to school making sure their faces are clean and their hair is done and they go to school for picture day and you know what happened to these children they had to evacuate that day because of the fear of the threats that were being issued in Springfield because of the words of Donald Trump so so I say that I glad you are pointing these these these comments out that he has made that have have resulted in a response by most reasonable people to say it's just wrong it's just wrong so you have said you want to be the president of all the people yes with so many people supporting Donald Trump man you've called a racist how do you bridge that seemingly unbridgeable Gap I believe that the people of America want a leader who's not trying to divide us and demean I believe that the American people recognize that the true measure of the strength of a leader is not based on who you beat down it's based on who you lift up and I have traveled around our country and I've met with people of every background and Walk of Life including people who have supported Donald Trump in the past who say to me they're ready to turn the page they're exhausted with what he has been doing and that approach and they want to chart a new so was democracy best served by president Biden stepping down and basically handing you a nomination you didn't have to go through a primary process you didn't have to fight off other contenders that's that's not really the way our system was intended to work so President Biden made a decision that I think history is going to show is rare among leaders which was is to put country before self excuse me and I am proud to have earned the support of the vast majority of delegates and to have been elected the Democratic nominee to be Vice President of the United States I am honored to have received the support and endorsement of over 200 Republicans who served in the last three Republican Presidential administrations I am proud to have earned the the support of leaders of our national security Community I am proud to have received the endorsement of leaders around this country from every background and Walk of Life to fight in this election over the next month for our democracy and the and the principles upon which it stands what is at stake in this election you mention our democracy is whether we are a nation that abides by and respects the rule of law and that we have a president who is the champion of of following and respecting and upholding rule of law not someone who has been convicted of 34 felonies who tried to overturn the free and fair election which was the will of the people on January 6th not someone who has said he would be a dictator on day one not someone who has said and these are his words he would terminate the Constitution of the United States of America but I think this truncated process is why people think or say they don't really know who you are well Bill you're there's no question look I've been in this race for 70 days and there is work to be done it is without any question a short period of time there's no question about that which is why I'm traveling around our country as I said earlier I mean you've seen me I'm I'm from one state to the next to the next I don't know how many states I've been in this last week alone literally I've lost count so it is my responsibility to earn the vote and I'm going to work to do that three4 of the American voters or likely voters say that they are concerned about the possibility of election related violence and we with two assassination attempts against former president Trump the country seems near a boiling point what can you do what should you do to lower the temperature well first let's start with those attempts um assassination attempts on the former president um I was deeply Disturbed shocked um and shaken frankly when they happened I call the former president to check on him but it is really important that all of us speak loudly regardless of who we're voting for to say our differences have to be settled at The Ballot Box and not through violence we we cannot lose our soul in terms of who we are as Americans by resorting to violence to settle our differences much less to make a decision about who's going to be the next president of United States let's hit on some more foreign policy plug here um which foreign country do you consider to be our greatest adversary well there are different reasons that we should um be thoughtful about each most recently I think there's an obvious um one in mind which is Iran and look I mean Iran has American blood on their hands okay and what we saw in terms of just uh the this attack on Israel 200 ballistic missiles um what we need to do to ensure that um Iran never achieves the ability to be a nuclear power that is one of my highest priorities so if you have proof that Iran is building a nuclear weapon would you take military action I'm not going to talk about hypotheticals at this moment what about China China is strongly asserting its dominance its control of the South CH China SE especially around the Philippines what is the US responsibility for keeping China from Simply taking over the South China Sea well I have actually wored worked very closely with um the leaders in the Philippines on just this very issue and including the work that we are doing in terms of coordination between our military and training and um what needs to happen in terms of protecting um the freedom of the South China St China first of all we must win the competition for the 21st century with China we must be able to compete and win we should not seek conflict but we have to understand that there are parameters in which we must operate that include insuring for example that we protect American business interest so say if China attacks Taiwan would uh we use military force to to support Bill I'm not going to get into hypotheticals but listen we need to make sure that we maintain a a one China policy and but that includes supporting taiwan's ability to defend itself including what we need to do to to ensure um the freedom of the Taiwan straight but on the issue of China we also again these are not we cannot afford to have foreign policy that is myopic we must be able to also as it relates to China continue to do the work that we have begun to deal with the flow of fentanyl coming into the United States that's a real issue again you talk to families around our country who h i i I've just I on a constant sadly regular basis meet parents and family members of people who have died from fentol young people have died from fentanyl are we going to stop trying to stem the flow of fentol and we have to deal with that and understand China's role in that and our ability to work with China to stop that flow which we have begun to do and I'm going to continue to do we need to make sure we have open lines of communication with China in particular milit to military so these issues are all they're multifaceted so what about Russia and Ukraine what what does the end of the war what what what does success look like in ending the war in Ukraine there will be no success in ending that war without Ukraine and the UN Charter participating in what that success looks like that being said America must stand firm in being a leader in defending International rules and Norms that include one of the most important which is the critical nature and importance of sovereignty and territorial Integrity would you meet with President Vladimir Putin to negotiate a solution to the war in Ukraine not bilaterally without Ukraine no Ukraine must have a say in Ukraine how about um as president would you support the effort to expand NATO to include Ukraine those are all issues that we will deal with if and when it arrives at that point right now we are supporting Ukraine's ability to defend itself against Russia's unprovoked aggression and doing what we can to continue to build and strengthen the alliance around the support for Ukraine right to be an independent nation free from having its borders forcefully taken by Russia and we are going to continue to work closely with our NATO allies to continue to reinforce America's Alliance in the context of NATO again in this election there's a real difference between me and the former president I believe in reinforcing the strength of NATO understanding again it is the greatest military Alliance the world has ever known Donald Trump would pull us out of NATO Donald Trump if he were President Putin would be sitting in ke right now let's be clear about that he talks about oh he can end it on day one you know what that is it's about surrender achieving peace and an end to this war is not synonymous with surrender those two things are not the same it's a a hard left turn here but um you recently surprised people when you said that you are a gun owner and then if someone came into your house not the first time i' about it that's not the first time I've talked about it but it's I mean I don't talk about it a lot but so what what kind of gun do you own and when and why did you get it I have a Glock and um I've had it for quite some time and um I mean look Bill my background is in law enforcement and um so there you go have you uh ever fired it yes of course I have at a shooting range yes of course I have um and and and and to just give you more detail and I store it in a lock box and it is safely stored and as any responsible gun owner does I'm getting the countdown here but uh one last thing you are sitting here with us the Trump campaign cancelled an interview that they had agreed to to participate in this that listen I think that um look I think that your viewers um have options in terms of how they're going to hear from him and I invite them to watch what he says at his rallies if they if if he is not going to give your viewers the ability to have a meaningful thoughtful conversation question and answer with you then watch his rallies and what you're going to hear are comments about fictional characters like Hannibal Lecter you're going to hear conversations suggesting that human beings are eating their pets you're going to hear conversations that are about himself and all of his personal grievances words that are intended to divide our country as what you will hear and what you will not hear is anything about you the listener you will not hear a plan about how he's going to make your life better you will not hear a plan about how he's going to strengthen the middle class you will not hear about how he is going to strengthen small businesses you will not hear about how he's going to try to bring the country together find common ground and Bill that is why I believe in my soul and heart the American people are ready to turn the page you have said that um the country is exhausted yes with the rhetoric and the finger pointing how about you are you exhausted I'll be exhausted and November 6th not now not now too much to do too much to do Madam vice president thank you very much thank you thank you Bill good agre with you can we just get just a little bit of a question please so I can get over theer yeah okay thank you you need me talking yes sir oh we were talking about how you're going to pay for it and I mean I truly do mean it I you know plans are logical make logical sense The Way Washington works is not logical so how are you going to convince a divided Congress that what you say your plans are something that they should all agree to and and provide to the American people when they they've shown no inclination to do that to this point is that what you needed yes sir um yes ma'am uh 30 seconds of Silence Space Room time C are off how will you it's going to be taxes it's going to be literally if the economist I mean they're from each but I hear what you're saying about the economist this is true but Congress