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 No.708

A bit of backstory to begin: earlier today, I got into a conversation about quantum mechanics, more specifically the part of it where the mere act of observing particles can change their properties or behavior. That alone is a confusing concept, but now let me ask you all a question.

Given that quite a few of you believe in meme magic and the human mind's ability to influence the physical world around it, can any of you offer an idea based around this to help explain quantum mechanics?

I feel like I'm close to an answer, whether it's right or not I'm not sure, but I want to hear your results. Also, this is here and not in /vx/ because this seems more like a science issue than a paranormal one to me. Pic unrelated.

 No.709

>>708
I have no deep knowledge of quantum mechanics. But I can give you an simple example of how observation changes the property.
If you take light you can measure it in two ways:
>Wavelength
>Photon count
When you measure wavelength light is an wave
When you measure photon count light is particles
>probably gross simplification and there is guaranteed a much more precise and complex explanation and description of this

 No.710

>>708
Okay first off, let us define a term
Quantum Mechanics
>the branch of mechanics that deals with the mathematical description of the motion and interaction of subatomic particles, incorporating the concepts of quantization of energy, wave-particle duality, the uncertainty principle, and the correspondence principle.
So quantum mechanics is the behavior of subatomic particles (protons, neutrons, and electrons) and how they move.
The whole observing them changes their state is a Schrödinger's cat problem. Until we observe the atom, we don't know its state. But once we do observe it, we know for certain its state.
The way I see it?
Quantum mechanics will always happen with or without us.
But I believe the harnessing of it could result in alchemy.
If we discover a way to make an element, e.g. Mercury, give out or release an atom of hydrogen, then that atom becomes gold.
The problem would be the technology required to do this.
Can we influnce it with our minds?
No, we're people, not jedi
INB4 spelling cause I'm mobile posting

 No.711

>>709
>>710
OP here, I'm already somewhat familiar with these aspects of it to the degree of an average science enthusiast. However, I was looking for one of the people like Vril who believe in what I was talking about to weigh in, and get their say on the matter given the prompt. Otherwise, quantum mechanics follows no set of rules directly applicable to the macroscopic world except for a few exceptions.

 No.728

>believe in meme magic and human min-
Oh, you have been repeatedly deluded by retarded press.

Observation requires interaction. To see anything, you need to throw a particle (photon, light) and have it reflect back, then measure that particle.
In the act of observing, said particle influences the properties of the observed object, no matter how small. The smaller you get, the bigger the influence is, until you cannot accurately predict the position of a single electron without directly influencing it. Observation implies capturing the change of movement.

The Copenhagen is inherently incorrect because it takes this property and spreads it to basically everything as if artificially stapling our own view of the universe onto all of physics. It postulates that the world of quantum physics is inherently non-deterministic, and bases most of its knowledgebase on pure statistics. It is good in practice for sole observation, but not for formulation of physical law. The position of every particle in the world is definite and real. That we cannot know said position without changing it doesn't mean that the universe can't, either.



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