/mlpol/ - My Little Politics

>>11973
>we just don't have the technology for fusion reactors.
Yes we do, they are called tokomak reactors.
The problem is they are quite expensive.
http://news.mit.edu/2016/alcator-c-mod-tokamak-nuclear-fusion-world-record-1014

>>11982
Ok let me rephrase that. We don't have the technology for cost effective fusion reactors.

>>11973
Why does everyone just blindly believe that "we are running out of fossil fuels"? ((They)) don't even know how much there is available now and they cant possibly predict refinement of technology and efficiency as well as consumption. Don't fall for this meme anon, next thing i know you'll be telling me CO2 is bad for mother nature.

>>12018
I said oil, not all fossil fuels. We have enough coal to power the globe for a very long time, but coal releases a lot more than CO2.

>>12022
how much oil is left?

>>12024
The estimates I've seen are around 50 years at current production rates. Granted those estimates only used proven reserves in their calculations.

>>11973
People should utilize whatever energy resources are most available and efficient. Wind, solar, geothermal, natural gas fossil fuels: whatever works.

>>11973
Oil and coal are going to last at least another 100 years. By that time, we should be able to finally replace them with other resources

>>12031
do these estimates take into account that as we speak, companies are restimulating 50yr old wells and getting almost twice the production as before out of them? You cant quantify or predict the refinement of technology and efficiency and you cant say we're running out of something if you dont know how much exists. Nobody knows how much is down there and the fact that we are going in and making wells that are half a century old continue to produce means even the people who are making money off of this don't know how much there is. You have a valid point, oil May be a finite resource but dont patronize me with "estimates"

>>12041
I wouldn't be so sure about oil, as more 3rd world shitholes begin to industrialize the demand for oil will only increase. As for coal yes it will last, but it can do serious damage to the environment over 100 years.

>>11973
Unironically, nuclear fission
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVbLlnmxIbY
Wish NZ allowed nuclear power then electric bill would be much cheaper

>>12060
Nuclear is the answer. I just shill for O&G because it keeps money in my pockets, food in my belly and a roof over my head

>>12022
Only shitty coal. High quality bituminous coal is 80+% carbon

There is a better way. Just stop wasting so much and be more efficient. The Japanese use air coolers all the way through the summer and heaters all the way through the winter. They would be a lot better off by actually building houses that protected them from the outside environment. Taxi driver and lorry drivers sit with idling engines all day. Just after Fukushima blew up all nuclear plants in the whole of Japan were switched for the next two years. There were rolling black outs in Tokyo for about a month and you could not buy batteries anywhere but after that it was business as usual. I actually liked going to the supermarket and not being blasted with freezing cold air and inundated by bright lights as both were reduced to save energy. The reality is if people and governments wanted to they could solve the crises tomorrow just by being a little bit less wasteful. However I imagine given the vast amounts of advertising funds the Nuclear industry has and they manner in which they neglect to add the cost of de-commissioning old plants in their totals the future is definitely going to be nuclear.

>>12094
this could certainly help, however people are greedy assholes (myself included). any ideas on convincing people?

>>12095
speak, and make them see that invesment in new energy resources will be cashmakers in the future.
if that doesn't work, a bat to the head fix that

>>12096
I like your second idea, but unfortunately we try to be civilized in the US.

>>11973
>and we just don't have the technology for fusion reactors.
Yes we fucking do. We've had it since the 90s. We have the technology AND experience to build incredibly safe, retard-proof, and extremely efficient reactors.
The reason why nobody is building new reactors is because the public takes one glance at Fukujima and Chernobyl (both caused by a combination of freak accidents, incompetence, and the reactors being old) and think "Wow those are destructive! We can't have more of those!" without doing ANY research of their own, and vote against any petition to build new reactors.

Here's some porn to further drive home my misanthropic and cynical attitude towards the world.

>>12107
Fukushima was predicted and ignored for many years. It had cheated regularly on inspections through bribery. I personally knew about its troubles from about 2006 when a friend was giving concerts around Japan to inform people. Incompetence yes but not un-expected. The trouble with nuclear plants is that they need to be built near the sea just in case a large amount of cold water is required for cooling. That is a fault of design and has been rectified. The next fault for Japan is the whole country is on a collection of faults and at any moment the whole country could collapse into the sea including Fuji. Chances of that are low. Chances that the first three floors of my block of flats being flooder by a great wave are anytime in the next 40 years. If the nuclear industry had been more honest and more responsible in the past it would be more trusted. However profits have made this unlikely. Yes, I can accept that given the correct amount of honesty nuclear could be clean and safe but at this moment corruption and lies make me very dubious that is possible.

>>12095
Convincing people is not something I much care about any more. I get on with my own life and do the things I think are right but do not really expect to change the hearts or minds of anyone else. The reality is that my life has become more simple and less stressful because of that. Any person who ventures into doing something good will slowly move further and further in that direction. My advice is to show by example of your own life to the people you know and love and the people you see everyday and do not worry about the millions who have zero interaction with unless you are a masochist or are criminally insane and want to become a politician.

whats the problem with coal we have used it practically exclusively from the 1840's to 1920's and even then those 80+ year old triple expansion engines are a lot more efficient than any gasoline powered piston engine will every be the one problem with steam and thus coal is the vehicle must be large so we will see a return of ships and trains

>>12131
Fossil fuels release sulphur into the atmosphere. This interacts in many ways changing the % make up of the air, causing a slight increase in acidity, and also reacts unfavourably with nitrogen. Low level use had little effect because the earth could re-adjust but modern use is far above the norm. Modern power stations reduce the release with filtering but as people cheat this by basing infrastructure in China and India and then claiming their own country is doing well then it becomes a problem because in China and India they are less fussy about removing the sulphur.

>>12095
tax cuts on good thermal insulation materials

>>12134
you, you're smart. I like you. Vive la France!

>>12024
about tree fiddy

>>12137
we actually do the opposite here, we tax inefficient energy sources. I haven't looked into it yet but it doesn't seem to work that well
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_tax

>>12207
YOU'RE smart, but your country? I wish it was doing better. It's always a shame when your first ally goes to shit and all you can do is watch.

Glorious. Nuclear. Energy.
Fill every power net's permanent capacity with nuclear, then smooth out the day and night with hydroelectric and magnetoelectric storage. Problem solved.

Fossil fuels are next up for burnin', but they're simply unsustainable long-term unlike fission. And the jews get most of their shekels indirectly from oil, so take it away from them as fast as possible.

>>11973
Nuclear fission until such a time that we finally put serious resources towards nuclear fusion.

Wind and solar are shit-tier that are only good as PR stunts. Both wind and solar have individually killed more people per kilowatt hour than nuclear even with the worst case estimates of every nuclear disaster ever. It's just nobody gives a shit about mundane deaths like people falling off rooftops.

>>12415
Solars are great for individual application away from a central power net, but otherwise, they are pure fucking cancer. Wind is very similar. Ironically, both are considerably less environmentally friendly than nuclear.

>>12439
Tend to agree with this both solar and wind farms are not actually very environmentally nice. However I think all new houses should have solar incorporated in them. My parents in England, where the sun is hardly a big thing have four panels on their house and daily living is completely provided for. Most of the day they are feeding into the grid rather than taking out.
Japan have for the past 5 years installed massive amounts of panels everywhere. All privately owned by big companies. I think in the future it there will be a problem with rich people having cheap solar energy and poor people dying because they can not afford to buy energy from the grid. I think I will be already dead by then though.

>>12064
>>12060
I'm on the fission boat to. Sure if you fuck it up it can be catastrophic but its better than releasing a shit ton of c02 or living with no warm water.
Just don't fuck it up.

>>12524
The absolute majority of faults in nuclear fissile plants have been completely non-lethal and with very minor damage. Even Three Mile Long Island was mostly non lethal. Just go ahead and count the number of lethal nuclear incidents.
That's right.
One, Chernobyl - and that was only due to neglect from our soviet friends. No one has ever died at a nuclear power plant except for Chernobyl. And even if you include most other nuclear incidents (except for military ones, probably) the total count of deaths and radiation sickness is under 100. Worldwide. Now relate that to the 100,000+ deaths per trillion kWh in the coal industry.

Fission is the safest source of energy we have, safer than even solar power. Ironically, the oligarch's propaganda against nuclear energy (because it is better in every way than burning oil like a bunch of fucking retards, but doesn't get them any money) made the development and use of nuclear power so feared-of that it has safety out the wazoo. It would be nowhere near as safe and fault-free weren't it for the oil tycoon's constant reminders of how radiation is the worst thing in the world. You can't even look at a subcritical lump of uranium without some bureaucrat screaming his eyes out somewhere.

>>11973
the energy """"crisis"""" is only a crisis of us wasting the huge overabundance of energy we already have. The only realistic solution is to start using far less energy in our day-to-day lives which is accomplished by design.

Right now society is designed to waste a metric fuckton of energy on commutes, unnecessary global supply chains, and air travel.

Expensive energy is a GOOD thing, because it will force us to use less, as long as the system is designed in a way we can SURVIVE on less energy. It is imperative we increase local food sovereignty, revitalizing local economies and design cities to be walkable/bikable for ~99% of trips.

We should be able to shave off 80% of our energy use simply by NOT FUCKING WASTING SO MUCH OF IT

Nuclear.
Improve and maintain fission reactors with strict, fascist-esque controls and rules to prevent any incident.
Keepo researches on Thorium, and make sure fusion reactors enters in production as soon as possible.

Ecologist groups who are against energetic transition from fossil fuels to nuclear, hydroelectric or in worth cases, solar should be eliminated and dismantled, it's because of them the world is on the way of asphyxiation.

CO2 coming from factories and old powerplant, gas turbines, fuel, coal are the equivalent of one chernobyl. Every fucking DAY. that's the reality.

In short term thorium fuel cycle for fission, because uranium is like burning diamonds when it comes to fission, also most of worst waste products don't get created in that chain. Problem with thorium cycle though is that it needs neutron source to reach critical as thorium is neutron absorbing.

On future side fusion is best bet, let's just hope that ITER get's good enough scientific results after finishing to get DEMO running properly. Also engineering knowledge to build DEMO faster than ITER and still upkeep quality.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITER
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEMO

Also with fusion i hope that we don't do same mistake as with fission, grab first that works and stop researching other reactor types and fuel chains. So to say, even if tokamak would work, study on stellarator type and others would continue.

For renewable energy… build solar roofs to every house and battery system there and use it as local supply without causing headache to grid.

>>15850
Maybe if you use a concentrated radioactive source for Thorium fission, like nuclear waste left over from reprocessing?

>Normans all hate nuclear energy even though it's humanity's best hope for a long lasting energy source and is the only energy source we know of that seems plausible for long distance space travel
Fucking cold war scare

>>15858
For real. Normies seem to think nuclear technology hasn't progressed since the 70's.

>>15858
Sadly Nuclear power can't do that much to help with the most serious deprivation we could suffer in the future, which is a lack of vehicle fuel

>>11973
Something obscure like sonnofussion may be the answer surely.

>>15870
Wat. Sonnofussion?

>>15868

This is solved with electric cars and electric-hydrogen hybrid. You can produce hydrogen from water and hydrogen combustion produces water. So use electric drive train with hydrogen secondary to provide charging to extend range.

Then reserve fossil fuels for non-land logistics, until viable options come available there.

Also start finding replacement for plastic production chain from oil. Also replacing products, for example composite material created from wood fiber etc…

Overall, if energy as electricity gets resolved, then it's already really big limiting factor removed.

>>15881
Sonofusion I meant, also known as bubble fusion
It's basically nuclear fusion happening in small scales when exploding bubbles using sound in laboratories

>>15882
I guess that makes sense. I've very skeptical of hydrogen energy, because it's energy efficiency is only around 50% of the original value of the electricity. But electric vehicles, at least with improvements in technology, should be able to do most of what we expect out of cars with internal combustion engines. Vehicles like ocean-going container ships present a challenge, but as you point out, we should have enough fossil fuels for those.

Plastics like polyethyline could be made from Ethanol, and many similar plastics can be made from other organic materials. However, complicated plastics and chemicals will probably still require oil. Coal liquefaction may suffice for that purpose
>>15885
What is that? I've never heard of that before

>>15885
>>15915

It's called sono luminescence. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonoluminescence

It's type of cavitation bubble that releases light. On terms of energy production it's near same line that perpetual motion machines are. It's one of few things that was tried to be sold as cold fusion. Practically people involved with it like pretty lights and don't know jack shit about physics.

>>15936
Neat

>>15936
There's an article about sonofusion too en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bubble_fusion

>>15942
It looks interesting, I just wish there were more credible reports of it working. There doesn't seem to be any research conducted on it after 2008

>>15936
>>15939

Shrimp have this shit figured out.

Pistol shrimp use it to throw hadoukens to stun their prey at range, and mantis shrimp throw fusion punches.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC6I8iPiHT8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F5FEj9U-CJM

>>15947
You weren't kidding. That's pretty impressive

>>15943
There are none, because they didn't even get to phase of trying find fusion products that should be present. They never did either prove that their own neutron source wasn't to blame for "neutron emission" for some reason with cold fusion there are always some heavy element involved which decay type is neutron emission. And then they argument always is "look, neutrons… it's 100% because of fusion" and never their argument is that after doing experiment you will find fusion products.

>> 15947
Yeah, they are neat creatures.

>>15947
Animals are fucking amazing.
Remember when animal planet was good?

>>15950
Sounds like it's worth revisiting with a test. Anything that can produce temperatures that high is a plausible ignition source.
>>15951
It's been so long. I remember years ago - a decade ago, probably - the History Channel, the Discovery Channel, Animal Planet, and even lesser channels like History International, had all kinds of shows that were informative and fun to watch. I can't really watch TV anymore because Cable and Satellite have become so expensive you can't get most channels, but from what I can tell they don't have many good programs anymore

>>15947
apparently you can keep pistol shrimp as pets but they will kill literally everything in your tank haha.

>>15955
I've seen that on television. They will even destroy the tank itself by shattering the glass

>>15955
If you buy something for your tank without knowing shit about it, you deserve to lose your entire tank: that's how fish tanks work.

>>15958
It's hard enough not killing the fish by accident with too much or too little food, or the wrong water quality

>>15959
Yeah. Fish tanks are for big bois.
If you're a beta male, just get a beta fish. Sure, you can only keep one, but that's probably all you could handle as a beginner.

>>12034
I have a solar charger on my backpack. Did I save the day?

>>15961
You did good work anon. Have a pony

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