>Alibaba Group’s sprawling campus has collegial workspaces, laid-back coffee bars and, on the landscaped grounds, a police outpost.
>Employees use the office to report suspected crimes to the police, according to people familiar with the operation. Police also use it to request data from Alibaba for their own investigations, these people said, tapping into the trove of information the tech giant collects through its e-commerce and financial-payment networks.
>In one case, the police wanted to find out who had posted content related to "terrorism", said a former Alibaba employee. "They came to me and asked for the user ID and Information, he recalled. He turned it over.
>The Chinese government is building one of the world's most sophisticated, high-tech systems to keep watch over its citizens.
>Central ti its efforts are the countries biggest technology companies, which are openly acting as the governments eyes and ears in cyberspace.
Is this the future of government surveillance? The Government is already embedded with ISPs and websites already collect a lot of data. Is there anyway around this upcoming 1984 on steroids?
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As an anon who lived in China for a couple of years, I can confirm this. Like Facebook and Amazon, they are mere extensions of government, except that in China it's much more obvious. In fact, social media that does not toe the government's line and hand over information freely gets banned; meanwhile, Chinese copy-cats are regularly praised as being "more innovative" despite only filling a void that has developed.
The Chinese government is enigmatic and hard to characterize except for one word: paranoid. It dodged the bullet of total Soviet-style collapse in the 1980's by opening up trade, cracking down on protests (NEVER bring up the Tiananmen Massacre outside of a closed room), and purging the government. I doubt that it's closely linked with the (((globalists))), but it wants to reign over its corner of the world and will enforce this by any means necessary. If a serious rebellion broke out, the image of China as a stable homeland (a holdover from the "Mandate of Heaven" from Imperial times) would be damaged and even if the rebels are unarmed the military (who really runs the show) doesn't want to kill potentially millions (it's bad for business, to say the least).
Keep in mind that the Chinese people already kind of take it for granted (though they have no idea of the extent) and most really don't care; those that do wisely shut up about it or they will be silenced. They really are "ant people" in this sense, as respect for authority is considered paramount and privacy is a foreign word to them. They are given Marxist indoctrination in high school and are discouraged from developing critical thinking skills. It's one of the things we want to avoid becoming in the West (at least the Chinese aren't racial mongrels and are becoming wealthier). However, it isn't a new development as back in Imperial times Chinese subjects would have their head lopped off simply for drawing a dragon or wearing yellow.
As for getting past surveillance, it's not easy but its doable. First avoid social media (duh); I never use QQ and my main function on WeChat outside of work is to s-post in a group of American expats, many of whom are left-wing losers who can't do anything beyond teaching English at an abusive second-rate school (hilariously, my efforts have sort of redpilled and driven the rest over to the right, and making fun of SJWs in the group is now common). If you buy anything from Taobao/Tmall/JD.com (Chinese versions of Amazon) make sure it's not suspicious or get a friend to order it for you. It's difficult to find an ISP that won't track you if you're not a native speaker of Chinese, but the standard "full monty" privacy setup of virtual machine+I2P+VPN (though China has been cracking down on VPNs as of late, more expensive premium versions still work and are highly worth it) should help. It's not going to let you live completely on the down low, mainly because of the ubiquitous street surveillance (though wearing masks is permissible and commonplace because of the pollution, if you're any race other than Asian you'll stick out like a sore thumb).
Although constantly being watched peeves me and makes me paranoid, I don't consider it a threat as the (((globalists))) are whom I have beef with, not the Chinese government. As long as you're a good little citizen/foreigner and don't get into fights or spread counter-propaganda they'll leave you alone for the most part (I'm not giving them my fingerprints, though).
The Chinese government is enigmatic and hard to characterize except for one word: paranoid. It dodged the bullet of total Soviet-style collapse in the 1980's by opening up trade, cracking down on protests (NEVER bring up the Tiananmen Massacre outside of a closed room), and purging the government. I doubt that it's closely linked with the (((globalists))), but it wants to reign over its corner of the world and will enforce this by any means necessary. If a serious rebellion broke out, the image of China as a stable homeland (a holdover from the "Mandate of Heaven" from Imperial times) would be damaged and even if the rebels are unarmed the military (who really runs the show) doesn't want to kill potentially millions (it's bad for business, to say the least).
Keep in mind that the Chinese people already kind of take it for granted (though they have no idea of the extent) and most really don't care; those that do wisely shut up about it or they will be silenced. They really are "ant people" in this sense, as respect for authority is considered paramount and privacy is a foreign word to them. They are given Marxist indoctrination in high school and are discouraged from developing critical thinking skills. It's one of the things we want to avoid becoming in the West (at least the Chinese aren't racial mongrels and are becoming wealthier). However, it isn't a new development as back in Imperial times Chinese subjects would have their head lopped off simply for drawing a dragon or wearing yellow.
As for getting past surveillance, it's not easy but its doable. First avoid social media (duh); I never use QQ and my main function on WeChat outside of work is to s-post in a group of American expats, many of whom are left-wing losers who can't do anything beyond teaching English at an abusive second-rate school (hilariously, my efforts have sort of redpilled and driven the rest over to the right, and making fun of SJWs in the group is now common). If you buy anything from Taobao/Tmall/JD.com (Chinese versions of Amazon) make sure it's not suspicious or get a friend to order it for you. It's difficult to find an ISP that won't track you if you're not a native speaker of Chinese, but the standard "full monty" privacy setup of virtual machine+I2P+VPN (though China has been cracking down on VPNs as of late, more expensive premium versions still work and are highly worth it) should help. It's not going to let you live completely on the down low, mainly because of the ubiquitous street surveillance (though wearing masks is permissible and commonplace because of the pollution, if you're any race other than Asian you'll stick out like a sore thumb).
Although constantly being watched peeves me and makes me paranoid, I don't consider it a threat as the (((globalists))) are whom I have beef with, not the Chinese government. As long as you're a good little citizen/foreigner and don't get into fights or spread counter-propaganda they'll leave you alone for the most part (I'm not giving them my fingerprints, though).
>>91673
imo we're going to need a whole new internet at some point. Due to the way the internet is set up, it's presently impossible to connect without going through an ISP. There's 3 tiers of ISPs, the highest of which are responsible for the flow of all data between countries. Basically, your computer connects to your local ISP, which connects to a regional ISP, which connects to a Tier 1 ISP that connects to Tier 1 ISPs in other countries. The flow of data is entirely dependent on these gatekeeper companies and the governments who have varying levels of control over them. Pretty much the only thing keeping privacy intact in Western countries is the honor system; the way the internet is designed it would be extremely easy for any government to monitor all the internet traffic within and going in and out of its borders simply by monitoring a very small number of large hubs. What we need is something decentralized.
>>91713
I'm curious about HAMNET, I think it's an idea worth pursuing.
imo we're going to need a whole new internet at some point. Due to the way the internet is set up, it's presently impossible to connect without going through an ISP. There's 3 tiers of ISPs, the highest of which are responsible for the flow of all data between countries. Basically, your computer connects to your local ISP, which connects to a regional ISP, which connects to a Tier 1 ISP that connects to Tier 1 ISPs in other countries. The flow of data is entirely dependent on these gatekeeper companies and the governments who have varying levels of control over them. Pretty much the only thing keeping privacy intact in Western countries is the honor system; the way the internet is designed it would be extremely easy for any government to monitor all the internet traffic within and going in and out of its borders simply by monitoring a very small number of large hubs. What we need is something decentralized.
>>91713
I'm curious about HAMNET, I think it's an idea worth pursuing.
>>91715
I know that you give away your location every time you send data with radio, but if you were shit posting on the go that might not be such a problem.
I know that you give away your location every time you send data with radio, but if you were shit posting on the go that might not be such a problem.
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This disturbs me as a prospective worker in China. Not only will there be no more privacy there, but it will affect every aspect of life. Even if you manage to get past the constant internet tracking (because we all know they probably wouldn't approve of Nazi poners), just sitting in your room for a few hours will hurt your "score."
This is precisely the sort of thing we're fighting against in the West and it must be a warning. It is better to die than to lose your anonymity and privacy.
This disturbs me as a prospective worker in China. Not only will there be no more privacy there, but it will affect every aspect of life. Even if you manage to get past the constant internet tracking (because we all know they probably wouldn't approve of Nazi poners), just sitting in your room for a few hours will hurt your "score."
This is precisely the sort of thing we're fighting against in the West and it must be a warning. It is better to die than to lose your anonymity and privacy.
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